My first DMT extraction. Jar Tek (help needed!!! no seperation)

[dimethyltryper]

Hello,

100 grams of MHRB powder
2 cups of water
45 ML Lye Crystals (no measuring spoon, 45 is about 3 tablespoons)
150 ML Naphtha

Shakin for about 10 minutes after all mixed.

It's been sitting for about 3 hours. No seperation. I read up a little on the issue and figured I need to basify more. Then I read someone say they used twice the amount of lye to get good results. So I put in another 40ML of Lye Crystals and it turned into sludge. It's been sludge for the last 30 minutes. I am going to the store. We will see what it's like when I get back. Any ideas?

Thanks!!!


Mycopath

[lysergic]

Try adding more water.
Apparently, when using powdered bark as opposed to shredded,
more water is needed.

If this doesn't work, add more lye.

[whatchamacallit]

A good recipe for the straight to base method, is 1 gram of lye per gram of bark and 15mls of water for each gram of bark (but one may want more water if the mix is kind of thick). Adding a bit more lye/water might help it settle quicker especially if it looks really sludgy, and adding the jar to a heat bath should also help it separate faster, but be careful to vent the jar if heating as a pressure will build up and you don't want the jar breaking.. Adding more lye never hurts and usually can make a huge difference in how fast emulsions separate. A PH of 13.5 should make separation happen very quickly, usually within 15 minutes even when it was shaken well, sometimes a little bit longer when it was shakin extremely hard, but it never takes more than an hour for SWIM unless he doesn't have enough water or lye..

[dimethyltryper]

Originally Posted by lysergic

Try adding more water.
Apparently, when using powdered bark as opposed to shredded,
more water is needed.

If this doesn't work, add more lye.

It totally worked bro!


Thanks, Once it settles (10 more minutes) I am going to do the first pull, it sat loner than I wanted it to, the others are going to be 2 hours each. You don't think me shaking it hard had any ill effect do ya? Oh yeah, Gonna save the bark/water/lye and on monday do another pull or two depending how the others evap, and then try to get some jungle dmt if I'm lucky. Worth a shot,

Mycopath

[whatchamacallit]

Yes, shaking it really hard makes it take longer to separate, but also, once you shake it and it's mixed well, as soon as it separates, it's ready to be separated from the mix and frozen or evaporated, no need in waiting for the naphtha to sit for a long time. The results will be most impressive if you combine all the solvent from 3+ pulls and evaporate and/or freeze it. Small amounts don't look like much when spread out over a baking dish. Letting the bark and lye water sit for longer can help free up some DMT over time, but the majority should be freed from the bark within the first hour or two..

[dimethyltryper]

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

A good recipe for the straight to base method, is 1 gram of lye per gram of bark and 15mls of water for each gram of bark (but one may want more water if the mix is kind of thick). Adding a bit more lye/water might help it settle quicker especially if it looks really sludgy, and adding the jar to a heat bath should also help it separate faster, but be careful to vent the jar if heating as a pressure will build up and you don't want the jar breaking.. Adding more lye never hurts and usually can make a huge difference in how fast emulsions separate. A PH of 13.5 should make separation happen very quickly, usually within 15 minutes even when it was shaken well, sometimes a little bit longer when it was shakin extremely hard, but it never takes more than an hour for SWIM unless he doesn't have enough water or lye..

Ha ha ha, right on man!

I used 108 grams exactly. Looks like if you are using the easy jar tek and MHRB powder you want to double the lye power to 6 tablespoons and use 3 oz of water. It works great. (Well, I will tell ya after the final results are in) First pull was cloudy Will do the second still in about an hour and a half.

I had some sludge in my pyrex, I qiuckly noticed it glued itself to the bottom of the dish so I just pored it into the next dish *for pull # 2* and problem solved. No biggy.

Mycopath

[dimethyltryper]

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

Yes, shaking it really hard makes it take longer to separate, but also, once you shake it and it's mixed well, as soon as it separates, it's ready to be separated from the mix and frozen or evaporated, no need in waiting for the naphtha to sit for a long time. The results will be most impressive if you combine all the solvent from 3+ pulls and evaporate and/or freeze it. Small amounts don't look like much when spread out over a baking dish. Letting the bark and lye water sit for longer can help free up some DMT over time, but the majority should be freed from the bark within the first hour or two..

Yup, right again!

It took a while but it looked fucking awesome in the tray. It was so cloudy. I had it sitting on a black surface, in the light there was nadda. But it worked great!

Do you think if I put a heat pad under it to get it to evaporate faster that would be fine? Or should I let it sit for a while in a warm vented room and slow-evap?

Mycopath

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by MYCOPATH SUCKS

Do you think if I put a heat pad under it to get it to evaporate faster that would be fine? Or should I let it sit for a while in a warm vented room and slow-evap?

Mycopath

It should be fine if you just keep it warm.
Don't let it get HOT

[dimethyltryper]

Originally Posted by lysergic

It should be fine if you just keep it warm.
Don't let it get HOT

Woo hooo! That was your 1,100 post. I feel honored !

OK, I'm off to get the heat pad. I lied by the way. It's on a white surface now, and that shit is soooo cloudy I am on cloud 9... I just re-shook the jar w/ the 2nd pull still in it. It has not been 4 hours like the first and it did not get as good of a shake. It did now tho, and when I get back hopefully it's settled and I can get #3 started.

I cannot do extractions over the weekend. Today is my last day. Should I leave it in the basified water until Monday and strip with Tuloene, or let it sit w/ Tuloene (OR Naphtha?). I am trying to get the Jungle DMT out.


Mycopath

[whatchamacallit]

SWIM wouldn't bother heating any solvent to evaporate it, just use a good box fan blowing on a baking dish, so the solvent has nice strong ripples and it'll evaporate very quickly. One can watch the white crystals fall out of the solvent as it evaporates. If it's warmed the crystals won't grow as pretty and may trap more impurities.

[dimethyltryper]

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

SWIM wouldn't bother heating any solvent to evaporate it, just use a good box fan blowing on a baking dish, so the solvent has nice strong ripples and it'll evaporate very quickly. One can watch the white crystals fall out of the solvent as it evaporates. If it's warmed the crystals won't grow as pretty and may trap more impurities.

OK,

I'm going to heat evap until there is almost none left. Then I will take it off and let it cool evap. Thing is, it's 40F here so nothing evaps... I heard that the crystals can float away w/ a fan on them.

Problems problems problems.
After I shook the second pull (as it sat there completly seperated) it went back into suspension and won't come back out! The jar was full to the top w/ naphtha (after adding more water and lye) so I put half of the mixture in that jar into another jar. Then I added more water. Nothing happened. So I just added more lye. Got warm, hopefully it will seperate now and let me do the extract real quick. I'm going to check back in about 20 minutes.

Thanks for the help. I've already spread too much rep today, gotta wait 24 hours and your the first on my list...

Mycopath

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by MYCOPATH SUCKS

OK,

I'm going to heat evap until there is almost none left. Then I will take it off and let it cool evap. Thing is, it's 40F here so nothing evaps... I heard that the crystals can float away w/ a fan on them.

Problems problems problems.
After I shook the second pull (as it sat there completly seperated) it went back into suspension and won't come back out! The jar was full to the top w/ naphtha (after adding more water and lye) so I put half of the mixture in that jar into another jar. Then I added more water. Nothing happened. So I just added more lye. Got warm, hopefully it will seperate now and let me do the extract real quick. I'm going to check back in about 20 minutes.

Thanks for the help. I've already spread too much rep today, gotta wait 24 hours and your the first on my list...

Mycopath

If you don't have any room left in the jars, put them in a hot water bath.
The heat should cause it to separate.

Adding salt is also supposed to help break emulsions.

[whatchamacallit]

You'd be surprised how fast shit evaps even really cold, and in the cold, the crystals begin to drop out of the solution before it is even evaporated. I wouldn't use heat, but if you do don't go over 100 degrees F. and maybe just enough to help it concentrate a bit then kill the heat. The fan won't blow away crystals unless they're dried and scraped up, but a little screen or some panty hose stretched over the dish can keep dust out if that is a problem. Usually not needed at all for SWIM. SWIM often evapped his in front of his A/C fan.

BTW adding plain lye crystals can warm the solution, and eliminate adding volume to the solution. It usually helps it separate faster too. You may want to add more solvent to both jars since you split them into two jars and have no idea how much is in each.. Make sure you use enough solvent to make separating it easy, especially if you are going to evaporate it. If freeze precipitating your crystals, then you would probably want to evaporate it a bit when using excessive solvent, anyways, to be sure that all the crystals fell out.

[dimethyltryper]

ok, thanks for all of the tips. There is nearly 150ML in each jar at the moment. I added more the second time because I was not able to get every ML the first pull. It still has not seperated. More Lye? I am going to go put another 3 table spoons in each, hopefully that kick starts it. I've added a lot of water and I am probably still light on the lye.

[dimethyltryper]

Woa, problem solved when I added more solvent. You guys are fuking future tellers!

Thanks!!!
Mycopath

[kcmoxtractor]

You asked about what you should do over the weekend? Put your solvent in the jars and let it sit there... It wont hurt anything to let the solvent be in the jars over the weekend, and you might be rewarded for your "patience".

[whatchamacallit]

If heating leave at least an inch of solvent in the pan when evapping, so that the crystals can grow better. When evaporating under a fan only, which is fast even when cold, the solvent cools and the crystals begin to fall out of the solution to form more pure clusters.

When heat is added, the DMT doesn't fall out, and as it evaporates the crystals form with much more color and impurities in them. This is why freeze precipitating crystals usually gives cleaner/whiter crystals, even though they may gather some more yellow as the last of the solvent is evaporated onto them leaving a yellow film over them. This is on the outside of the crystals which can be washed with ice cold professional strength, non-sudsy ammonia in a small amount to remove some of the color and polar soluble impurities.

[dimethyltryper]

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

If heating leave at least an inch of solvent in the pan when evapping, so that the crystals can grow better. When evaporating under a fan only, which is fast even when cold, the solvent cools and the crystals begin to fall out of the solution to form more pure clusters.

When heat is added, the DMT doesn't fall out, and as it evaporates the crystals form with much more color and impurities in them. This is why freeze precipitating crystals usually gives cleaner/whiter crystals, even though they may gather some more yellow as the last of the solvent is evaporated onto them leaving a yellow film over them. This is on the outside of the crystals which can be washed with ice cold professional strength, non-sudsy ammonia in a small amount to remove some of the color and polar soluble impurities.

I absolutely agree with you. Air movement is key here. Well, patients is key here, air movement maybe number 2, or 3. I put in a small fan that creates the tiniest surface ripples. But my first pull is already almost dry, has some nice ROCKS in it. . Actually, i got some of the black gunk in the pan the firs pull, so I pored it into another pan, well once the pan w/ the gunk dried there were crystals just from the drops left over. I put them on a bowl and got a tiny head change... The cloudiness of the first pull is amazing, when i blew on it the water turned white and I could not see thru the pyrex .

Your guys are bad ass. Ha ha, just playin. The good kind of bad ass.


Mycopath

[dimethyltryper]

Originally Posted by kcmoxtractor

You asked about what you should do over the weekend? Put your solvent in the jars and let it sit there... It wont hurt anything to let the solvent be in the jars over the weekend, and you might be rewarded for your "patience".

Right now I have a slight amount of Naphtha in both jars. My plan is to shake thruout the entire weekend for minutes and minutes then on Sunday night ad about 100ML of Naphtha, 1/2 oz water and 4 table spoons of Lye crystals then do the extraction a couple hours following. Then slow evap and freeze precip. Hopefully I will have a clean final product. I dunno if not having much naphtha will do good or bad for me but the idea is to not suck up too much other stuff.

then after that pull I will get it set up for the Toluene and jungle dmt pulls

Thanks,

Mycopath

[whatchamacallit]

There is no reason to wait days to separate the solvent, it absorbs all it will after the mix and separation, so another pull may grab more, but waiting days won't increase the yield. Letting the bark sit in the lye water solution for days may help more DMT to be freed from the bark over time, but after 3-4 naphtha pulls, the amount pulled begins to be negligible, especially on smaller amounts of bark.

[dimethyltryper]

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

There is no reason to wait days to separate the solvent, it absorbs all it will after the mix and separation, so another pull may grab more, but waiting days won't increase the yield. Letting the bark sit in the lye water solution for days may help more DMT to be freed from the bark over time, but after 3-4 naphtha pulls, the amount pulled begins to be negligible, especially on smaller amounts of bark.

Pull # 1 (did not weight yet) a lot of piss yellow crystals (some gigantic chunks) and the bottom is coverd with the white fluff crustals or they look like clear white sand dolars to describe better.
Pull # 2 (probably won't weigh) 2 maybe 3 yellow whitish crystals
Pull # 3 (probably won't weigh) 1 maybe 2 tiny crystals and a gnat.

There is still some evapping needed in all three, then I will scrape and weigh. I am hoping I got at least half a gram in that first pull.

I think my vigorous shake on the first one got most of the DMT and unwateds. My next attempt will be Lysergics tek and with a lot more powder. I will also freeze precipitate it so I have whiter crystals. I think I am going to try that method where I cool it down over 6 hours then leave in freezer over night, then warm up to room temp over the next 6 hours, then back down to freeze temp and leave again. I guess the crystals will continue to grow and become giant white shards. Ha ha, I need to research that more I think.

Mycopath

[dimethyltryper]

Cool beans.

First pull : 1.29 grams from 100 grams of bark dust.

Second and third will not get a weight. Lets just say 1.3 total.

Ha ha,

This is pretty cool guys, I'm gonna order some more asap and try a cleaner extraction method. I could refine this down to probably 1.00 grams probably but not worth it. They are a tad sticky, melt on my fingure. Will this dry out or is it the final result of my madness? Oh yeah, it will probably lose weight when that dries off eh? It's back in the well vented room, hopefully it will dry out some. Think I might try it now though.I will let you know how it goes.

Mycopath (for now)

[johnnydigital]

Nice yield! For 100g of bark powder, that's not bad for a first time.

[dimethyltryper]

Originally Posted by johnnydigital

Nice yield! For 100g of bark powder, that's not bad for a first time.

Hey, thanks a lot for the compliment. It gives me a lot more confidents for my future experiments. But actually, I think it all comes down to quality of powder. If there was no dmt in there, there would be nothing to extract right?
Honestly, I am happy w/ the weight but the overall quality of DMT is very low. I have a long way to go before i am doing ok. Ha ha, I have high standards.

That's awesome you think I did good though! I am going to get a kilo of powder and try some different teks. Or maybe just do this to the whole 1,000 grams, then refine my 13ish grams down to 10-11. I am really turned on by the big white crystals. That would be sick to have even 9-10 grams of them.

How long are the crystals good for?

(still) Mycopath

[911aware]

Originally Posted by MYCOPATH SUCKS

Cool beans.

First pull : 1.29 grams from 100 grams of bark dust.

Second and third will not get a weight. Lets just say 1.3 total.

Ha ha,

This is pretty cool guys, I'm gonna order some more asap and try a cleaner extraction method. I could refine this down to probably 1.00 grams probably but not worth it. They are a tad sticky, melt on my fingure. Will this dry out or is it the final result of my madness? Oh yeah, it will probably lose weight when that dries off eh? It's back in the well vented room, hopefully it will dry out some. Think I might try it now though.I will let you know how it goes.

Mycopath (for now)

did you find that the whole process only took about an hour?

SWIM followed teks that where two days (one day for lye, and one with naptha).

SWIM had much better luck with the short process, then taking the naptha and putting in a jar in the freezer for 3 days. pure and white.

SWIM didn't ever have any luck with evaps, as SWIM was always left with yellow greasy goop.

finally, the third attempt was the charm.

great job tho!

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by MYCOPATH SUCKS

the overall quality of DMT is very low.

Let it dry out a little while longer, then chop it up as fine as you can with a razor. This will help dry a lot of the residual oil.

How long are the crystals good for?

A long time

Originally Posted by 911aware

did you find that the whole process only took about an hour?

SWIM followed teks that where two days (one day for lye, and one with naptha).

SWIM had much better luck with the short process, then taking the naptha and putting in a jar in the freezer for 3 days. pure and white.

SWIM didn't ever have any luck with evaps, as SWIM was always left with yellow greasy goop.

finally, the third attempt was the charm.

great job tho!

Day long lye/naphtha soaks are unnecessary.

For initial pulls, soaking the bark in the lye solution for 1-2 hrs is all that is needed.

As far as the naphtha is concerned,
whatcha is exactly right:

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

There is no reason to wait days to separate the solvent, it absorbs all it will after the mix and separation, so another pull may grab more, but waiting days won't increase the yield. Letting the bark sit in the lye water solution for days may help more DMT to be freed from the bark over time, but after 3-4 naphtha pulls, the amount pulled begins to be negligible, especially on smaller amounts of bark.

[dimethyltryper]

Originally Posted by 911aware

did you find that the whole process only took about an hour?

SWIM followed teks that where two days (one day for lye, and one with naptha).

SWIM had much better luck with the short process, then taking the naptha and putting in a jar in the freezer for 3 days. pure and white.

SWIM didn't ever have any luck with evaps, as SWIM was always left with yellow greasy goop.

finally, the third attempt was the charm.

great job tho!

It worked out to about 4 hours per pull. I had issues with seperation on every pull. I would say 4 hour total for the entire extraction considering I only got one decent pull.

I was shooting for 2 hours each pull. I am not a fan of evap already, I think your right about that.

I am trying to dry it out faster, first smoke results were not great. I did not do much. I wanted to try 20MGs but but my scale (that is 10x.01g) won't read out .02. If it was dry and consistent I would just cut it up and split .1 into 5 parts but... it's not dry yet. I did get a head change but that could have been the naphtha, ha ha, just joking.

(and I am still) Mycopath

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by MYCOPATH SUCKS

I am trying to dry it out faster, first smoke results were not great. I did not do much. I wanted to try 20MGs but but my scale (that is 10x.01g) won't read out .02. If it was dry and consistent I would just cut it up and split .1 into 5 parts but... it's not dry yet. I did get a head change but that could have been the naphtha, ha ha, just joking.

(and I am still) Mycopath

Is it wet? Or just oily?
If it smells like naphtha at all, DO NOT smoke it yet.

If it's just oily, follow my advice in my last post...

In the meantime I recommend making one of these :
http://forums.mycotopia.net/attachme...pe-machine.jpg

As for dosage, try a little pile about the size of an eraser on a pencil.

[Norman]

STB's should be freeze preciped rather than evaped - they're just too prone to oily gunk. Try a recrystalization if you can get some heptane.
You'll have better success with jungle spice using an A/B too.

[dimethyltryper]

Originally Posted by lysergic

Is it wet? Or just oily?
If it smells like naphtha at all, DO NOT smoke it yet.

If it's just oily, follow my advice in my last post...

In the meantime I recommend making one of these :
http://forums.mycotopia.net/attachme...pe-machine.jpg

As for dosage, try a little pile about the size of an eraser on a pencil.

No, no naphtha smell. I just got done chopping it finely. I re-weighed it and I got 1.33. The bowl I smoked was maybe .01, or less even.


HA HA HA< WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO? KILL ME? I am fine, I don't need a machine as of yet. I think it may be one of them things tho, that when I do start using one I will have wished I started much sooner.

I am going to go lay down and try a bigger dose. I am going to put it in a ball of tin foil and smoke it in my pipe. With low heat it's a charm w/ weed resin. As long as it does not get too hot.

Thanks man, I cannot wait to try your tek!!!

Mycopath and still growing,

[dimethyltryper]

Originally Posted by Norman

STB's should be freeze preciped rather than evaped - they're just too prone to oily gunk. Try a recrystalization if you can get some heptane.
You'll have better success with jungle spice using an A/B too.

Yeah, I'm not going to do the jungle spice this go. I will play with it when I have more MHRB. I'm fine w/ what I have here. It's no different then I would get anywhere else. But, next time I will go I will have better results.

Mycopath and counting,

[dimethyltryper]

Well, Mycopath is gone


Hi, I'm Dimethyltryper. You can call my tryper or something, hell, it's up to you, as long as does not have sucks in it. Ha ha.

Man, this DMT is awesome. I got the lightbulb pipe. Getting a nice one blown sometime next week. I am thinking about getting the DMT molucule chain on it. Thinking blue and light blue glass w/ yellow chain molucule. I dunno, I have some thinking to do.

Take it easy bro's, thanks for hooking me up with some good as deemster.

D-Tryp (No longer sucks)

[whatchamacallit]

SWIM would suggest leaving out foil if smoking it in a pipe. Make sure it's a pipe that will always be used for DMT cause the smell is extremely hard to get out of a pipe for weed. But take cannabis or other smooth non-psychoactive herb if you prefer, and sprinkle a decent amount on top, then maybe a lil herb over it, or if not over it, just barely flame and lightly puff the bowl until the DMT is all melted in, but not lighting it yet.. Then light the herb and take a nice big rip. If one is looking for a full breakthrough, take a second and third rip, if possible, and you should be there.. This method is by far one of the easiest ways to get right, because learning how to properly vaporize DMT only comes after a bit of experience and trial and error for many.

Don't worry about having too much, cause anything you don't finish will stay in the pipe for next time. Use each puff as a means of titrating the dose you are looking for, that is the easiest way, rather than trying to measure exactly the right amount each time, since this can be affected by the purity of the DMT, the actual smoker or process of smoking, and the set and setting, among other things. Hitting it until you are where you want to be or almost there will ensure a good trip. If it starts to get too strong, just stop puffing and you'll be back in 5-10 mins, or at least enough to start relaxing and pondering the dose and experience, so you can decide what is best for the next round..

Best of luck on your travels!

[dimethyltryper]

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

SWIM would suggest leaving out foil if smoking it in a pipe. Make sure it's a pipe that will always be used for DMT cause the smell is extremely hard to get out of a pipe for weed. But take cannabis or other smooth non-psychoactive herb if you prefer, and sprinkle a decent amount on top, then maybe a lil herb over it, or if not over it, just barely flame and lightly puff the bowl until the DMT is all melted in, but not lighting it yet.. Then light the herb and take a nice big rip. If one is looking for a full breakthrough, take a second and third rip, if possible, and you should be there.. This method is by far one of the easiest ways to get right, because learning how to properly vaporize DMT only comes after a bit of experience and trial and error for many.

Don't worry about having too much, cause anything you don't finish will stay in the pipe for next time. Use each puff as a means of titrating the dose you are looking for, that is the easiest way, rather than trying to measure exactly the right amount each time, since this can be affected by the purity of the DMT, the actual smoker or process of smoking, and the set and setting, among other things. Hitting it until you are where you want to be or almost there will ensure a good trip. If it starts to get too strong, just stop puffing and you'll be back in 5-10 mins, or at least enough to start relaxing and pondering the dose and experience, so you can decide what is best for the next round..

Best of luck on your travels!

Ha ha ha, Hell yeah man. TOnight I am going to break thru if it's anything i've ever done. it's a bitch cause i'm in my parents back yard (? fucked up situation, don't ask) and my dad is comming in here tomorrow to fix some plumbing. Fuck! I have to smoke hits outside then run inside real fast without fucking with the neibors (I don't want them to see me and hear me).

Oh my god, I am fucking tweaking man. THis shit is nuts. SUblime 40 oz. to freedome has never impressed me more!!!!!!!!!

Problem is, I bring myself back everytime I think I Need more to go further. It just sets me back. This is setting me back really. You guys are probably worried or something. Ha ha ha, you guys are my partners in crime and it's fucking awesome.

[dimethyltryper]

Oh yeah, I have a really high tollerance I think. My friend and I did it ealrier and he was passing out and shit and I was already sobor. Kinda lame. I just gobbed like .15 on this bowl fellas. I forget how much I put on until I tak ea hit. I hella feel it every time, but I cannot break thru?!?!

That method is the best yet, thanks a lot man!!!

I got 300 grams comming, then 2 kilos on wednesday. I am going to grow crystals in a jar, like super slow cool evap. I guess when they are super clean they get HUGE! I want a 10 gram crystal.... get the guniess world book record or someting

Peace fellas, I got more deemster outside to get fried....

PS, does this stuff make you teeth fall out or anything? I take care of them if ya know what i mean... I"m trippen.

[dimethyltryper]

project breakthru= failed. i need more pure stuff. i have been
beating a dead horse.... i fucking mean it. DAMN! to the ^2

I just puked burnt raison bread toast talking to my brother in law about his divorce with my sister.... whew, not what i needed. i loaded probably .2 on this fucking bowl, i swear, i blasted it!!!!!!!! My phone started making crazy electrical noises but i knew i was talking to my brother in law so i had to concentrate, stand up, and chill out. i am so bummmmed out fellas. In about 20 minutes i have to chill out, and clean this damn place. i got pyrex dishes and shit i have to go set in my car trunk.... whew.
to those who pull it off

But don't worry, The person for whom I speek of (me) is a fucking rock star. But i cannot do this two days straight. At least, I hope I don't.... this stuff isnt adictive is it?

I'll keep in touch, I got more produce to make over the next week or so, you will maybe get a pic of my hopefull 20 grams>>>then a giant crystal in a month or so, I will keep at it foreverrrr if I have to. My day will come, some day I know I Will be the only one Sublime just said that, kinda captured how I felt as I was saying that. Anyhow, have a great week!!!

Night fellas and ladies.
D-Tryp

[lysergic]

Are you sure you're smoking it correctly?
You should be vaporizing it, not burning it.
Don't let the flame touch the spice.

It's a little tricky to get the hang of with a pipe.
That's why the machine is so great.

[whatchamacallit]

It's not really addictive, but could be slightly habit forming if one really enjoys it. Most only have binges once in awhile at best, not too many smoke it daily.

SWIM is guessing either you are not taking large enough hits, quickly enough, or perhaps you are burning the DMT rather than just getting the herb slightly burning so the ember vaporizes the DMT.

Make sure to wait at least an hour between attempts. Then take a huge hit, hold for a couple seconds, and exhale, then immediately take another, hold a couple seconds and release, then another, until you can't hit it anymore. Do not take a few second or minute break between puffs, it needs to get all in your lungs in under 30 seconds to a minute to really blast off. Have faith, and keep practicing, I am sure you'll get it down.

Also, finding a place away from anything that could distract you or take your attention away from the task, could really help when trying to reach a breakthrough. Need to sit somewhere with no possible interruptions and a nice comfortable area, then give it a go.

[dimethyltryper]

Absolutely fellas, you all make great points. Thanks a lot! Well, my benge is over for now. Ha ha ha. I want to use what I have left to recrystalize while my next batch is freeze precipitating.

I would love to give pictures, but posting pictures of this stuff just does not seem like the safest thing to do.

When I really have something to show, I will show it,

D-Tryp