Is this a good way to consume bridgesii cactus?

[Walter Sullivan]

Hello I am new to bridgesii

I have read all the tea methods on this forum and online where you have to boil the cactus for a few hours. These methods dont work well for me
beacuse i have to prepare the cactus as quitly as possible with out anyone knowing what im doing. I have read this freezing method at the link below
http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/mes05.htm

(This isnt my method i paste it from the above link.)


1) cutting: If using a live plant, cut off the portion of the cactus that you wish to consume, leaving a viable portion to grow. This is important, especially if one later discovers this individual cactus has special properties. It is best to take a middle section (if the cactus is tall enough) leaving both the apical and rooted section to grow.
If using a san pedro cutting, a piece 6 inches to 12 inches long is recommended. When you have an idea of what a certain amount does, you can adjust the dose size to suit your particular next time you try.
2) washing: The cutting is washed in water, running a finger up and down the grooves.
3) de-spining: The spines are cut out removing as little of the valuable green tissue as possible.
4) de-skinning: Cuts are made down the grooves. The skin is pulled up attempting to keep a piece going as long as possible. It helps to pull as much as possible from the groove outward.
5) sectioning: cuts are made from the grooves to the core and the sections are pulled away from the core. Pieces of core remaining on the sections are cut off. The core is discarded.
6) freezing: The sections are placed in a freezer for several hours until thoroughly frozen.
7) grinding: The frozen sections are chopped up and ground, and the pulp filtered to collect the liquid. The pulp is ground more and filtered, adding only a little water on the second and third grindings.
8) drinking: The collected liquids are drunk as quickly as possible without gaging or regurgitating.
9) eating: The remaining solids are consumed.


NOTES: I perfected the final method only during my most recent session, and the resulting trip was very intense (similar, at least visually, to a strong 500ug dose of LSD).
I was quite convinced that a spirit inhabited that cactus, and that it came through more clearly than other sessions because I had treated it properly. Desiccation or excessive boiling seem to kill part of its spirit. Freezing seems to be a good way to 'put it to rest'.
On a more scientific level, I'm not sure why this cactus is so sensitive to the way it is consumed. Perhaps it is because it contains a special synergistic mixture of alkaloids and some are destroyed more easily than others. Also freezing would break down the cell walls while not degrading the compounds as boiling might.

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It seems like you guys know what your talking about
ive read your cactus posts before joining this message board
i was going to order my cactus yesterday but decided to do more reserch first. Thankyou.

[AndyLandy420]

if you have the stomach for it you could just chow down on the raw cactus really no need to freeze if your gunna eat it anyway. alcohol tar is another but it sounds like you cant really evap alc for any period of time. another thing i kinda day dreamed about was running fresh cactus through a heavy duty juicer, then re-wetting the pulp and running it through again.

[Walter Sullivan]

Originally Posted by AndyLandy420

if you have the stomach for it you could just chow down on the raw cactus really no need to freeze if your gunna eat it anyway. alcohol tar is another but it sounds like you cant really evap alc for any period of time. another thing i kinda day dreamed about was running fresh cactus through a heavy duty juicer, then re-wetting the pulp and running it through again.

Thanks for the response.
Is the taste the only problem with eating the cactus raw?
I might just eat it. What parts arent edible besides the spikes.
Im a total noob when it comes to cactus. A friend told me to try cactus instead of salvia.

[teesus]

you don't want to eat the woddy core. the flesh near the core hasnt much alcaloids, so cut the core out. then you dont want to eat the plastic-like skin, but you should get all the green tissue attached to the skin, it is the strongest flesh. beside the taste the slime like cosistency of the flesh is awfull. i did munch a cactus raw and it was not very enyoyable. after i finished the half, i decided to blend the other half and mix it with something to mask the taste, i took banana liquer....yuk. i don't recomend! i'd go for the tea, mabe you can prepare it somewhere else?

[Myc]

You've got me tempted.

I always cut off a slice and eat it while preparing for the tea process
That's usually enough to deter me from wanting any more LOL

I'm asking you to please report back
I want to know what happens
Bummer is that you have no prior experience by which to compare this method.
If you have the guts to strait-up eat it,
I imagine you'll get just what you're after.

I hope you have the time of your life!

BTW:
Some of my prior experience agrees with your tek
Skin the clear outer skin from the cactus
It hurts when you're swallowing it - or - puking it back up - then you're a double loser. I think it's indigestible along with the vascular fibers of the woody core

[AndyLandy420]

Originally Posted by Myc

I always cut off a slice and eat it while preparing for the tea process
That's usually enough to deter me from wanting any more LOL

haha, i have the same thing, it smells like bell peppers so i always eat a chunk and the first few seconds i think to my self, hmmm not that bad, i could chow down on this bad boy, then you swallow it and its pretty damn bitter, its not TERRIBLE but eating a whole cuttings worth of green flesh would take some serious determination.

yeah taste and the upsetting effect it will almost certainly have your stomach are you only hurdles, assuming you dont eat the spines or the woody core or the waxy/clear outermost skin. Tums will help with settling the stomach, so will a little ganja as soon as it seems you might have trouble keeping it down.

good luck, if you can chomp an entire raw cutting and keep it down you have earned yourself the trip that will certainly follow. good luck to you.

[pubensis]

Originally Posted by AndyLandy420

another thing i kinda day dreamed about was running fresh cactus through a heavy duty juicer, then re-wetting the pulp and running it through again.

I've done it. It works. Much mescaline is lost unless you eat the pulp after.

Also, I've eaten a small cutting. One of the more gripping of many mescaline journeys. The cutting was fresh, (taken that morning) and about.. 8 inches long. I ate it slowly over the course of the morning after breakfast while we were road tripping and during the morning when we got to our gathering. I spit out the spines an the plastic-like skin after chewing off all of the flesh. After you start to feel the effects of the cactus/have acceped the taste/have been munching for a few hours an have been wrestling the nausea it's not so bad. If you try to eat it fast you will probably get sick. The best bet in my opinion would be to start slow, an then build uo the amount you;re ingesting every hour. Also to always have it in your mouth, and concentrate on eating the desired amount/good vibes/safe behavior.

Pubensis

[Myc]

Originally Posted by pubensis

If you try to eat it fast you will probably get sick. The best bet in my opinion would be to start slow, an then build uo the amount you;re ingesting every hour. Also to always have it in your mouth, and concentrate on eating the desired amount/good vibes/safe behavior.

Pubensis

What can I say........Brother??
If you understand this statement.....then you've had enough.
I usually don't share this strategy of ingestion. This 'mentality' is what I use while ingesting tea ~ in whatever insane increments
If you puke, you've had just a little more than enough ~ there's a fine line
Good luck exploring where it is.

[floppypeter]

Has anyone ingested cactus after eating one of those Japanese "miracle berries" ? These berry's are noted for their ability to change the flavor of foods radically. For example, it makes some bitter foods sweet and some sour foods more bitter.

[mycowarrier]

I just talked with an old hippie from Cal. that swears that mixing figs with Peyote [and i assume other acrid cacti] totally nullifies the bad taste and nausea.

Can anybody attest to that or heard of that before ?

[Walter Sullivan]

Be carefull when mixing if your useing bridgesii cactus I read it has MAOI in it and MAOI can be dangerouse with certian foods drugs or medicines

But like i said im noob when it comes to cactus as well as MAOI
so maybe someone on this board that has experience can better explain it. Im still a little confused about the MAOI in Bridgesii.

[Walter Sullivan]

Originally Posted by pubensis

I've done it. It works. Much mescaline is lost unless you eat the pulp after.

Also, I've eaten a small cutting. One of the more gripping of many mescaline journeys. The cutting was fresh, (taken that morning) and about.. 8 inches long. I ate it slowly over the course of the morning after breakfast while we were road tripping and during the morning when we got to our gathering. I spit out the spines an the plastic-like skin after chewing off all of the flesh. After you start to feel the effects of the cactus/have acceped the taste/have been munching for a few hours an have been wrestling the nausea it's not so bad. If you try to eat it fast you will probably get sick. The best bet in my opinion would be to start slow, an then build uo the amount you;re ingesting every hour. Also to always have it in your mouth, and concentrate on eating the desired amount/good vibes/safe behavior.

Pubensis

what does it taste like? I told my friend that i was just going to eat it and hes said theres no way I can do it because the taste is to bad. But its almost impossible for me to have access in the kitchen for more then 1 hour. I orderd that cactus its on its way.

also what do you recommend doing on a trip like this.
music? meditation?

[floppypeter]

ginger seems to help with nausea. If you can get caps of powdered ginger or some ginger-ale made with real ginger you would prolly mitigate the upset stomach symptoms a bit

[Walter Sullivan]

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I got my cactus today. it has some black and yellow spots is this normal.
Im going to use the tea method since no one is home i have the kitchen to myself.

[pubensis]

Originally Posted by Walter Sullivan

what does it taste like? I told my friend that i was just going to eat it and hes said theres no way I can do it because the taste is to bad. But its almost impossible for me to have access in the kitchen for more then 1 hour. I orderd that cactus its on its way.

also what do you recommend doing on a trip like this.
music? meditation?

Well, I would recommend doing whatever.. you know.. you are drawn to doing in a time like that. Personally, I like to let myself become magnetized like and go with whatever energy feels best. (just remember not to change your mind)

enjoi

[findingmyway99]

I really want to try mescaline, but I Just dont know if I could stomach the cactus. is it hard to swallow? and can you mix it with anything that would make it taste better?

[Diacetyl-M]

Though I have yet to try eating fresh cactus "as is" I have read that handeling the taste is very much about a mentality. I forget where I read it, but the person explained that it is better to actually think about and concentrate on the flavor and to always have it in your mouth, much like Myc and pubensis have said. To eat/drink tea with a slow and steady determination, reflecting on what you want to get out of the trip....makes sense to me.

I read a study on pain (sorry no reference), and the experiment consisted of a two groups of people who were subjected to pain. One group was told to concentrate and focus on the pain....the other group was told to try and ignore the pain. Apparently the group who focused on the pain and accepted were able to withstand higher pain thresholds than the group who tried to ignore it. I don't know if theres truth to this, but it makes sense to me. Perhaps focusing on it caused the body to release more endorphines?

Perhaps a similar priciple applies to managing the awful taste/texture? The psychology of the senses and subconscious associations connected to different stimuli can be very powerful. Look at how those who abuse cough syrup (god help them lol) can develop an instant gag reflex to the smell or even sight of the bottle. I've experienced the same thing after alcohol poisoning.... looking at the bottle actually almost makes me puke. Likewise, I think someone can train themselves to associate certain sensations with positive feelings...much like learning to love the taste of DMT. Good luck and let us know how it goes

[P4ulada]

Originally Posted by Walter Sullivan

Hello I am new to bridgesii

6) freezing: The sections are placed in a freezer for several hours until thoroughly frozen.

Hey, why do you freeze?

[AndyLandy420]

Originally Posted by P4ulada

Hey, why do you freeze?

freezing water causes water crystals to form, these crystals tend to rupture cell walls as water freezes within the cell, cell wall ruptured = goodies being released easier into your tea.

[Walter Sullivan]

the taste wasnt as bad as i thought.
I ate a few peices before makeing the tea.

I still have some boiled cactus in a bowl and some small cuttings of the tips i didnt use and a small bowl with about 2 sips left of tea. It all has been sitting on the book shelf in my room all night and today. What should i do with it? can i still eat whats left for another trip tonight or has it gone bad?

[|dw|]

How much did you eat and how was the trip?

[Myc]

Freeze that left-over

I make batches/doses ahead of time and store them in the freezer.
Little single dose cactus pop-cicles

remove from freezer
thaw
consume

no potency effects at all

As for whether yours has spoiled or not....overnight....you could be ok
Depends on your normal habits
Do you leave pizza out all night and then have a slice the next day? If so, you could be all right
If you get food poisoning easily.........I wouldn't risk it

[Walter Sullivan]

The trip was good. I never trip before.
so this was something new to me
I didnt trip hard but i got super happy like when i smoke weed
and saw some faces in pictures. The floor moved a little like a water bed.
I'm glad the cactus took it easy on me for my first trip.
I ate a few slices before makeing the tea. I also froze the rest to try to eat yesterday. It didn't taste so bad frozen. It didnt make me trip yesterday and my friend told me you have to wait 7 days between trips.

What is the most respectfull way to throw out thr remaining cactus?