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08-01-09, 19:57
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| Eating @ da Y VIP style  Join Date: Nov 2005
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 | Peyotea or extract ?
Hello every one ! Swim has a few older peyote that he has his eye on for dosing. Swim has never made peyote tea nor has tried to extract mescaline. Getting crystal does sound interesting and fairly easy to do. But tea is very easy. Said buttons are 10 yrs old and about 5 inches across. They should be very active. He has been pondering on what method to use to get his first mesc experience. Swim is experienced with psychedelics. Has read and researched cacti. Now, how does peyote compare to other cacti such as torch, san Pedro, etc... Would he need less peyote material then other cacti to get the same amount of finised product ? Is peyote the better then other cacti ? As said before swim has them on hand and would like to use said peyote that he has grown . He has a special bond with his babies and of course he would not be using his only ones ! So, how much material by weight sould be used for one strong dose ? Is peyote the best ? And what would be the best way to dose ? Any thoughts would be very nice and excepted. Peace !
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08-01-09, 23:08
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dont extract it!!!!! peyote is the holy grail of mescaline experiences, if you extract it you'll lose all those other alks that can only be found in peyote. The other alkaloids color the experience immensely, I would probably dry it, grind it up and put it in gel caps just to not lose any of the raw cactus goodness, or tea would do the trick.
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08-01-09, 23:39
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Ive read that making tea with peyote will also change the trip, some of the alkaloids die during the process.
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08-01-09, 23:53
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 andy knows from whence he speaks... i'd eat it raw. otherwise use the gel cap method. similar to what slummunky said, i'm always paranoid about losing goodies when making tea. there's probably no science to support it - i'm just paranoid in general.
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08-02-09, 00:13
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PLease whatver you do DON'T extract that cactus man, eat lophs whole and fresh. There are upwards of 50 to 60 different akaliods in Loph williamsii, Its the most impressive plant I have ever had the privliage of eating and Yes to me I consider eating a loph to be the privliage of the gods, eat one the size of a tennis ball man, I did and it blew my mind was probally the most impressive trip I have ever had. Eat it whole man, reguardless of taste. Don't dry it or anything of the sort as you will losse some of those precious precious akaliods man. NEVER EXTRACT a Loph man. Those are rare and by far the best of all the cactus. Eat it, eat it, eat it, Eat it, eat it, eat it,Eat it, eat it, eat it,Eat it, eat it, eat it,Eat it, eat it, eat it,Eat it, eat it, eat it,Eat it, eat it, eat it,Eat it, eat it, eat it,Eat it, eat it, eat it,Eat it, eat it, eat it,Eat it, eat it, eat it,Eat it, eat it, eat it,Eat it, eat it, eat it,Eat it, eat it, eat it,Eat it, eat it, eat it,Eat it, eat it, eat it,Eat it, eat it, eat it,
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08-02-09, 02:02
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I couldn't agree w/ Andy or Irish any more than I do. San Pedro or Peruvian Torch, I'd say extract or tea it. Bridgessi I'd say tea only no extract. Peyote. Have to eat it. It is the other alks in the peyote that make it special and they aren't easy/fast to grow like the Trichs. Don't shortchange yourself on the full peyote trip. As a fan of mescaline I look forward to trying the magical Lophophora one day. Love them Cacti! 
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08-02-09, 02:13
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|  EAT IT!!!!!!!!!!!! Loph is the most sacred and precious cactus and needs the respect of just eating it and experiencing the most beautiful journey that you have the honor of partaking in. No extracting, teaing, or etc.. Just eat that baby.  Sending you some great vibes on such a beautiful journey and hope it brings you some great healing and learning.
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08-02-09, 05:01
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If you can eat it, go for it that way, but I've read about the peyote way church, and they often make tea from it and still get a pretty full experience.. I'd bet low heat or no heat with a longer soak and good squeezing and filtering would remove all the alkaloids.
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08-02-09, 10:54
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Ok ! swim will eat it ! he do understand how unique peyote is and the other alcho's that reside in this food of the gods. Thank you all for the strong openions. swim actually belongs to the peyote church. he paid a fee to get membership card and if he was in the correct state , swim has a document that states he's a mamber and can grow peyote. My worry was keeping down that much live plant flesh , If he were to eat it fresh. he has a few books like, Peyote and other psychoactive cacti . That book has some very intresting reading on the active properties... Ok, so swim will eat his biggest button and leave the rest for future learning. Swim has collected seed from past years and have grafted pup's. The buttons he plans to eat are soil grown and organic. He will slice the button off and repot the root base for hopefully more pup's. He should have done this in the spring i told him, for a better chance that it would grow pup's..... Ok so i will tell swim to EAT IT.... once again, thanks for the input !
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08-03-09, 08:11
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08-03-09, 15:25
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No way Almoral ! Can't do that .... Swim took good care of his babies for too long just to let them die ! After cutting the button it does have a 50/50 chance of regenerating some pups. Swim must give it a chance ! Thanks for your concern brother ! BTW Nice teeth !lol!
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09-03-09, 20:54
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MFOAF is still pondering when to munch his fat friend. He thought, why not show you all his friends. Also the one he is thinking of ingesting. He said last summer all of the older one had flowered as in past years. For some odd reason this season only two have flowered and not at the same time. He would like to know if he could save the pollen and pollenate as new flowers as they appear ? I told him yes , dry pollen would work. But i'm not 100% sure. Ok as for the pix. The first, it is the one in front and to the left that he wants to munch. he also added some other cacti that he has. The group of smaller ones are around five yrs old. The one with pups, he has plans of grafting most of the pups. He will except any and all feed back. Also hopes you all enjoy the Pix ! Peace !
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09-04-09, 04:34
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I will weigh in here very gingerly since I prefer pure product by extraction, but I agree completely with the above statements. There is something very special about eating peyote whole and fresh. The only problem is keeping it down. The other components are emetogenic, that is they make you vomit. This may be overcome by using Zofran 16 mg. This is an anti-emetic that is used for chemotherapy patients and will probably work for this purpose also. The generic name of Zofran is ondansetron. It is prescription only but is not a controlled substance. It is very safe and will not sedate you like Benadryl or Phenergan. Try to get some from your doctor and ingest it 30 minutes before the peyote.
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09-04-09, 10:10
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I would go for the tea. That's a more traditional way, and since loph. species have about 50 or so alkaloids, a mescaline extraction might not pull all of them. Also seems the more shamanistic way to go. Maybe even munch down on the little bugger.  Just take the nausea for what it is. If you have to purge, purge, and view it as a cleansing act. Respect the plant for sure though.
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09-04-09, 10:17
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Do you think the one plant will be enough? At peyote way church They use 21 dry grams when they make tea. Just asking cause i have no idea how much that cap would weigh out dry. If one is enough i might be decapitating one of mine.
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09-04-09, 12:13
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Does anyone know what the alkaloids are in peyote that aren't present in more common cacti? Logically there has to be a process to extract them all while reducing at least some of the volume of material that needs to be eaten.
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09-04-09, 12:29
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09-04-09, 12:48
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i couldn't agree more, when it comes to peyote don't extract it! it's those other non-mescaline alkaloids that makes a peyote experience so different from a mescalin experience. save the extractions for common cacti like san pedro, peruvian torch, bridgesii, etc. some of those non-mescaline alkaloids may have a weird pka or may not be so soluble in water, so if that's the case then tea may differ from the raw experience. i don't know much about the peyote alkaloids but that's just a general assumption when it comes to extracting natural alkaloids from plant material. just be sure to keep it down until you're certain it's all hit you, then let it fly if need be but don't let it go before it gets into your bloodstream. |
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09-04-09, 14:14
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But why would you want to? Compared to regular cacti this is a cakewalk. This plant has been used for shamanistic purposes for centuries, I would say they got it down. What Emmison said is a very good point, not every alkaloid dissociates the same, not every one will be as soluble in water as mescaline, and you would have to do an immense amount of research on EVERY alkaloid and find out a volume of info on it. If it's not broke, don't try to fix it.
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09-04-09, 14:19
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a long slow brewed tea. best experience i ever had with peyote. couldn't tell you the dosage though. it was a 1984 catalina pow wow. pot about the size of a five gallon bucket lol. 'here's your wooden laddle of tea' sort of thing. there was nausea but once the adventure began it was of little worry.
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09-04-09, 23:37
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Well, have researched and found a few of the other alkaloids found in peyote and also in other cacti. Anhalidine is one of them , also found in pelecyphora species. A known tetrahydroisoqinoline alkaloid. Not sure the pharmacology of it though. Also another trahydro found in both is pellotine. Synephrne , tryamine both a sympathomimetic. But tryamine being milder are also found. Their are many more only in peyote. Like, hordenine , N-methyl and acetyl mescaline,pellotine,anhalinine, anhalonine,anhalidine,anhalondine,anahalamine , O-methylanhalonidine and lophophorine. From what i read , some by them selves are not active. Togather they potentiate the effects of mescaline So, munching is the way to go with peyote. Well, we will be setting a date with the biggest of the buttons. The size of a tennis ball ! Not sure what the weight would be dry , but i'm sure well over a few grams. 350 milligrams of mesc is needed for a strong entheogenic expeirance., I'm thinking it should contain least that much. It could be as much as six percent of the dry weight. But at the least one percent. So, you'll need sixty to one hundred dry grams to get good effects. The indians used it (peyote) of other reasons other then talking to their gods. They have used it for arthritis, influenza, intestinal disorders, diabetes, snake and scorpion bites Also, beleive it or not, datura poisoning! It was and still is a big part of their traditional medicine. The indians beleive that if ones heart is pure that the bitterness will not be tasted. Yea ok ! I'll have to block out the bitterness  i guess !LoL !Well, my friend will get himself ready for the day. Looking forward to it ! Peace !
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09-04-09, 23:42
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  UM Sure if you say so, might wanna read a lil more there bro.
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09-05-09, 14:04
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I'm not trying to miss inform anyone. I did blow up the size of the larger buttons their more like three plus inches not the five stated at the beginning of this thread. being drunk when i wrote that, did not help. In the said book, it did state that 100 mg's will produce definite effects from mesc. But to get a full on break threw experience ABOUT 350 mg's is required. Maybe that is way more then enough but,. that is what was printed. Originally Posted by doodaa man (Peyotea or extract ?)  350 milligrams of mesc is needed for a strong entheogenic experience [quote](UM Sure if you say so, might wanna read a lil more there bro.) I never said that i was the sharpest TOOL in the shed. If it is wrong, my apology. I'm not here to misinform, just passing info i have read, thinking it would help out. guess not !?! "my bad"........ Added/attached are pix with something to show actual size. also added is documentation from the peyote way church and my membership card. My scanner is under the weather at this time, so i had to take pix of them. It "scanner" should be up and running soon. When it is, all of the documents will be scanned and they will be shared for review if anyone would care to see them. Once again excuse my ignorance, if i have misinformed anyone. That is not my goal. I was just trying to share knowledge. My guess a poor attempt ! Peace !
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09-05-09, 14:46
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The ones i've gotten to eat i picked out outside of Laredo, TX and were all about 3-3 1/2 inches across. I maxed out at 6 and it wasn't mind blowing but indeed mind expanding. I was able to converse in a very coherent and witty manner, not like the thumb-sucking sitting in a corner of the room after too many shrooms state. It had rained recently which does affect alkaloid content so that may have been a factor. Make sure you dont water anytime before consuming them. But definitly EAT THEM. Its not at all that hard if you eat them slow over the course of a couple hours, washing them down with juice, or beer in my case. They dont shock your stomach that way and you have a better chance of holding them down, thus not wasting any. Nibble away!
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09-23-09, 16:32
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| hmmm do you know mescalito?
tweedle dee tweedle dumb ah why yes eat it whole but the whole alkaloid thing is truly unnesisary,its only what a blind man sees. you fail to see the under woven side of the fabric my friends. you must respect mescalito for who he (he he he he he he he he he him him him him him) really is only then will he show himself to you (literally and tell you great things, what ever you ask. (show you heaven). much love to everyone |
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