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08-01-09, 23:37
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| I'd rather be dreaming!  Join Date: Nov 2008
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  |  Gorgeous Crystals! :) W/Pics
Howdy! I thought I share some pics of my friend's recent spice extraction. This was their 3rd extraction using a slightly modified version of Marsofold's tek. This extraction was done on 1 lb of powdered MHRB. Three gallons of H20/Vinegar were used in 3 two hours boils. Slowly evaporated in a dark, cool garage. The large crystal chunks grew in about 12 hours. Some of the clusters soaked up a little of the yellow oxidized DMT, but no complaints, they taste magical.  The clusters are about dime sized or smaller with beautiful shape. Awesome spice porn. 
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08-02-09, 00:28
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A member asked me how my friend grew these. Here was his/her process. Mar's tek, with these changes... -1 gallon/1 pint vinegar ratio x3 -Slow simmered 3 times @ 2 hours each -Cold filtered twice to get all sludge. -Reduced to 3/4 gallon. -5 heaping tablespoons Lye added to one cup hot water, slowly, one tbs at a time and mixed well. -Lye added slowly to 1 gallon HDPE container. -Container kept in hot bath throughout the process. -250ml hot (not boiling) naptha added in 4 pulls, 1000ml total. ( I know it's a lot of naptha!) -All pulls collected in a pyrex casserole dish. This is where my friend believes it helps for forming crystal chunks. The volume/depth allows for tall clusters to gather. -Slow cooled in a dark, garage with a gentle breeze barely skimming the surface so not to much disruption occurs, but enough to agitate the surface. Hope this helps! Deep collection dish and slow cooling seem to be the trick!
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08-02-09, 01:30
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| Modtastic  Join Date: Jan 2008
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|  those are incredible crystals! i LOVE how dmt forms rhombus-shaped crystals. so very unique.remind me of some other DMT crystals i saw a while back... http://forums.mycotopia.net/dmt-spic...tml#post513028 (Clean & Easy STB) 
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08-02-09, 05:46
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Wow! rep +1 for you friend! That is excellent work on your foaf's part....very nice indeed!  So no Recrystallizations? That is straight from the naptha pulls? If so they are impressively clean looking.... did your friend do any defats? What was total yield from the pound of MHRB?
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08-02-09, 08:12
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Seriously man, fucking beautiful! Great Job! Those crystals are very impressive, some of the best I've seen, looks like some nasty shards that would do the job right. 
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08-02-09, 11:44
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 My friend doesn't know the total yield... the tray is still growing strong!
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08-02-09, 16:07
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very nice crystals friend, you've achieved superior quality... i'm amazed you did that with no activated carbon, or re-X or anything. the A/B definitely gives cleaner spice than the STB. and it looks to me like acetic acid extraction is cleaner than HCl. i couldn't deal with all the boiling down though, after vacuum filtering 60+ gallons of aqueous extract through celite and reducing it down (creating a hazardous mold condition in my kitchen from all the steam) i had had enough. now i get the same quantity in one day that i got in those two weeks of A/B. yields per kg MHRB were also short with A/B. but, you clearly have achieved superior quality... that is the trade off for your lost yields. also i like to pull orange, many people demand the orange. i used to make the yellow into white with 4x recyrstallization in pom (pomegranate tea) glasses with 15g per glass. never made the white into shards though, always wanted to do that with a PID temperature controller (no evap necessary) but lazyness prevailed. so i just sent it out as fluff (which disguised the little bit of yellow which remained in it). |
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08-02-09, 16:35
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08-02-09, 16:58
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SWIM would agree that an a/b comes out cleaner than an STB, if it is evapped or freeze precipitated only. However, one can get the same or better yields faster with an STB and if one is gonna recrystallize, then they both can end up with the same quality, with the STB actually taking much less work and time. To grow pretty, large crystal clusters, one just needs to recrystallize to get it pure white (or they will have some color), then dissolve the DMT in some solvent (naphtha or bestine, aka heptane, is best). They then set the solvent in a slightly cool room to evap on it's own or with just a very gentle breeze. The cool helps the crystals fall out as it slowly evaporates, creating those neat large clusters with clear crystal tips.. SWIM used to evap his solvent in front of an a/c vent and the crystals would form nice clusters that looked like snowballs from a distance, or like these pics up close. Recrystallizing it once before doing this will eliminate all color and make the crystals white/clear.
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08-02-09, 17:03
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08-20-09, 01:52
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Hells yes! Thanks Freq A lot of attention went into this extraction. I am honored to have been nominated by Apokalypse. Also, for everyone, I wanted to explain what it is that I feel helped with growing large crystals clusters... ******************* The first NP pull was saturated with DMT. I could smell the musky mothball smell in the solvent. I used *warm* naptha. After dumping the first pull into a pyrex dish I let it cool about 30 mins. I could see the cloudy swirls in the naptha. By letting this saturated first pull cool, I allowed "seeds" to form. Something for the later dmt molecules attach too in the successive pulls to come. After each pull I allowed the solvent to cool again. The accumulative slow-cooling pulls most definitely facilitated the clusters to form. There was a total of 1 liter of naptha in a single pyrex dish. Total depth was about 1.25". Normaly, I use 2 to 3 pyrex dishes. This time however, I wanted a smaller amount of large crystals, rather than a larger amount of waxy and powdery final product. Furthermore, I allowed the solvent to evap in a cool, dark garage. Those large crytals formed in less then 12 hours, no joke. The naptha was still an inch deep and the clusters were already done. The oxidized DMT took longer to crystalize however. Total yield from 1lb of powdered MHRB was about 5 grams! 3 types of DMT; Mostly glass shards, some yellow crystals, and a little orange goo. No litmus papers were used, no complex calculations, just "feeling" things out. Emulsions seperated cleanly within 10 mins too. DMT extractions are much easier than most techs make it out to be!
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08-20-09, 15:21
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No Doubt there! I was happy w/ white shiny crystally stuff and thought it was pretty clean but not as good as AndyLandy's glass shards. Those crystals there are just huge, beautiful and amazing all rolled into one. I will be voting for you in the POTM U.E. Once again, Superb job!
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08-20-09, 18:16
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my dude has always thought it was amt of dmt that determines crystal size. 3+ g makes larger rocks and so on given slow cooling... | |
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08-20-09, 22:55
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bbd2, I think the both depth and amount of DMT equally contributed to the large cluster growth. Some of these clusters were a over a half inch tall. The depth definitely helped there. I really really feel that allowing the first pull to cool made all the difference. The first pull was so saturated, that in 10 mins time, the whole dish was a cloudy yellow haze. Each of the following pulls was allowed to completely cool as well. I think I'm pretty close to finding the perfect combination of settings to be able to replicate these results consistently.  Thanks to everyone for the kind compliments  I only wish I could share the treasure with you Shadowlord, I would be stoked to have earned your vote!!! Opiatoker, 5 grams would be 100 nice sized doses (@ 50mgs a pop). Enough to rock your world over, and over and oveeerrrr again. 
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08-21-09, 20:51
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What a compliment! I'm stoked to have contributed some interesting info to 'topia. I look forward to sharing future successes (and failures!) with this awesome forum.
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08-22-09, 13:25
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ok, as we all know, i'm a complete noob to dmt. but have been experimenting with chemistry projects off and on for several years. ok thats not true, i did the experiments for a while back, like 8 years ago, and have had a couple short relapses since then. so although i am no chemist, i'm not an absolute noob to it. however this has nothing to do with my experience. I was reading on wikipedia about precipitation (chemistry) and as i typically do, when there is a word i dont know i look it up, so i know everything being explained. anyway, from what i read, i have to say the reason for the huge crystals is because the way he did it. he planted seeds and the following pulls attached to them. with crystals that are grown out of a liquid solution, when there is a larger crystal than all the particles, then the particles are attracted to the crystal. even if there are large crystals and small crystals, the smaller crystals will actually shrink as the molecules are moving over to the larger ones. its got to do with there being more of the specific molecule in its mass and a smaller surface area in comparison. i don't remember exactly the type of precipitation it was i was reading about, but i'll look for the page and post the link here. anyway, if the OP didn't know that bit of chemistry before starting his project, i've got to give kudos for good thinking!! | |
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08-22-09, 14:23
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got it!! it is called, "Ostwald Ripening" and the wikipedia address is... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostwald_ripening | |
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08-22-09, 21:14
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