1st DMT extract report and questions

[tr3eman9]

Recently completed my first attempt at a STB extraction of DMT freebase from 50g of MHRB.

Here is the tek in a nutshell. It is a custom tek based on the lazyman tek, but with freeze precipitation, a sodium carbonate wash, and a rextalization in warm naphtha.

1finely shredded/powdered the root bark myself, which was form an online source. Measured out about 750 mL tap water and 50-60g pure lye (NaOH). Mixed lye into water in a liter-size wine bottle and added the root bark. Shook vigourously, let stand for two hours.

2.warmed 50 mL naphtha to very hot, added to mix. Shook well (i found the layers seperated quite easily, so I didn't sweat shaking them up a bit) and put under hot water bath for 15 minutes. Let stand for 15 minutes.

3. Pulled off naphtha with a turkey baster; cleaned with sodium carbonate-water, discarded water layer. Evaporated the naphtha a little bit ouside to reduce volume and increase concentration of dmt.

I repeated steps 2 and 3 two additional times exactly the same, with two exceptions:
-in between the first and second pulls, I added about 25-30 g of lye and 200 mL water. Also, the third pull only used about 20-30 mL Naphtha.

4. I collected all three pulls and placed them in a cold freezer overnight. In the morning I poured off the Naphtha while it was cold. In the bottom of the pyrex dish was a gooey substance that ranged in color from orangey-red to pale-yellow. Accprding to one guy at dmt-nexus, this may be from heating the naphtha and bathing the mix in hot water while mixing the lye-water and the naphtha.

5. I mixed this goo into ~15 mL of hot naphtha, placed in freezer. Poured off again the next morning, basically the same result.


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I was pretty unhappy with this goo, which I tried to vaporize. I probably didn't know what I was doing, as it was my first time using a homemade light-bulb vaporizer. I definitely inhaled something that tasted hot and terrible. I just felt weird for about 5 minutes, and only god knows if this is from some low dmt dose or inhaling some awful chemical.

I threw out the rest of the goo. That's what test batches are for.

Wondering if y'all have any tips for next time around.

Currently I have the wine bottle sitting somewhere with the following contents:

-50 g MHRB
-750 mL tap water
-~75 g. of lye
-~200 mL of rootbark/lye/water mixture from previous extract. This was mostly added as an easy means to get the following ingredient in there as well:
-~20 mL Naphtha that had been floating on top of the first extraction for a day or so, after everythign I described above took place. Figured there might be some dmt stuck in there that would get pulled to this naphtha, and figured what the hell i'll throw it into the next extraction.
-~60-80 mL fresh naphtha.


This above mixture, as I said has been sitting around for some time and will probably not get pulled until at least 4-6 days after it was put together.

wondering if i'll need subsequent pulls after this one, since perhaps the long time period has allowed all the dmt to get into the naphtha. Or is there a finite limit for how much dmt can be dissolved into the naphtha?

I plan on doing everything at room-temp next time and will see if i can get a more pure product.


Once i get a final tek set up that works for me, I will do a pictorial.

thanks all

[whatchamacallit]

Could possibly be the sodium carbonate wash. How much sodium carbonate and how much water were used? Once SWIM had done a water wash with baking soda, but used a lot of water, equivalent to the amount of solvent, and it ended up not being basic enough and much of the DMT was removed with the wash water. It is possible the PH was not high enough on the water wash. It is also possible the bark was weak, or that the small amount of bark used was just not enough to yield enough to form crystals. Hard to say, but using more bark is probably not a bad idea.

[tr3eman9]

I did indeed use about twice the volume of water to wash out the naphtha...could be a problem. might just skip it this time, is residual lye really that much of a problem? is it a health concern or more of just a taste/harshness concern?

hmmm... the thing about more bark is that curently i'm restricted in terms of volume because all I have to use is that 1-Liter glass bottle... I've been working with a rounghly 15:1 ratio of water:bark, but I see a lot of people go lower than that, more like 10:1 or less sometimes. Is this legit? In other words what's the max amount of rootbark you could extract using about 850-900 mL of water?

is not using enough bark really a big concern?

[tr3eman9]

so i've been reading up a bit and i think my major problem in terms of loss of product was my bicarb wash, which was done with about 300 mL of water... i think this time i will skip it since it sounds like i would want to wash this amount of product with like 1cc or less of water if i don't want to lose product, and I don't even know how I would pull that small an amount out from under the naphtha accurately...

[Frequency]

Originally Posted by tr3eman9

so i've been reading up a bit and i think my major problem in terms of loss of product was my bicarb wash, which was done with about 300 mL of water...

Could be. I'm interested to hear the results. I'm wondering why a freeze-precip didn't clean it right up...

[Norman]

If the wash was bicarb and not carbonate, I can almost guarantee that was the problem. Polar was tests using bicarb, ammonia, and calcium hydroxide had bicarb yielding a minimal amount of greasy goo. IME, a polar wash needs to be at least pH12 to not significantly impact yields.
Bake that bicarb in a covered pan at 400f for an hour or two and you'll come out with carbonate.
Or skip the polar wash altogether since lye isn't soluble in naptha anyway.

[tr3eman9]

Originally Posted by Norman

If the wash was bicarb and not carbonate, I can almost guarantee that was the problem. Polar was tests using bicarb, ammonia, and calcium hydroxide had bicarb yielding a minimal amount of greasy goo. IME, a polar wash needs to be at least pH12 to not significantly impact yields.
Bake that bicarb in a covered pan at 400f for an hour or two and you'll come out with carbonate.
Or skip the polar wash altogether since lye isn't soluble in naptha anyway.

sorry, i misspoke it was actually carb... washing soda not baking soda. and there was a good amount of it in the water. a couple tablespoons, i'd say. probably pretty basic.

i'm not necessarily sure that my product didn't have dmt in it. all i know is it did have a lot of plant fats, and i wasn't able to get high off it. but that might have been due to my own lack of skill with a vaporizer...

by the way, anybody ever used a "VaporGenie" to vape dmt? does it work well?