Whatcha's Easy MHRB STB Extraction, Step by Step Pictorial - Page 2

opiatoker · 09-15-09, 11:32

someone mention a pdf?

oops....

tenjin · 09-15-09, 11:37

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Originally Posted by sweetjames

SWIM followed the steps exactly, using 1 lb of mhrb to 1 lb of lye. SWIM just poured the solvent off and there was basically nothing in the jug...Could the mhrb have been fake or of extremely low quality? SWIM still has the MHRB/lye/water mix and is going to try some pulls again and see if it will extract anything...Any ideas of what could have gone wrong?

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Originally Posted by sweetjames

SWIM performed this tek last night, and started the freeze precip at about 10 pm. It has been in there for about 20 hours now and barely any crystals are forming at the bottom.
New naphtha was used for every pull and the solvent did not look as dark yellow as the ones from the pictorial. Everything was followed exactly...what could be the problem? Or does my friend just need to wait longer?

Sounds like your freezer isn't cold enough, is the dial turned all the way up on it? You can try to evaporate it instead. Since you used new naptha for the pulls (which works ok too), the naptha probably wont have such a yellow color as re-used naptha.

tenjin · 09-15-09, 11:48

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Originally Posted by tenjin

A friend recently tried this tek out and got almost all white crystals without cleaning. This was cool but kinda baffled me because I've always seen it yellow before cleaning with a STB extraction. It was same source of MHRB , but their MHRB was kept in a freezer for a couple months.

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Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

The polar wash does clean out a good bit of color, and on smaller extractions, the DMT can freeze precipitate white. The larger extractions still seem to come out a bit yellow, but recrystallization isn't very tough and can make it as pure as can be.

Ya come to think of it I think it was a bit smaller extraction than this tek calls for which is probablywhy it was more white before wash. I just didn't know if storing the MHRB (not the pulls) in the freezer a couple months had anything to do with it? As I've heard freezing the bark will break down the cell walls faster. It just seemed that way (have no experience in knowing one way or another) since it was around the same ratios and source used but the yellow was obtained by using the bark fresh and the white came right out of pulls using bark frozen for a couple months. Do you know if theres any truth to that? Sorry if gettin off topic in your thread man.

Shamsu · 09-15-09, 14:12

awsome pictoral tek, i like the way you utilised the gatorade bottle for seperation. that was a good pull too, nice crystals. a man after my own heart

opiatoker · 09-15-09, 17:41

yeah, you know... i always wondered why the others boiled the bark, then removed it from the liquid and pulled from the liquid alone. also seemed as if the boiling of the powdered bark was an un necessary waste of time, because it is powdered, therefore is already broken down as finely as can be, therefore only needing water or a solution it is soluable in, to come in contact with the fine powder to dilute it.

this tek may just make my friends friend try another experiment, just for the experience.

this strikes a curiosity though...

why would this type of extraction not be possible with powdered poppies?? i would assume that is would, because it is doing the same thing as the long boiling process and rather than having just sludge, you have the hcl version. which one would assume is all around better??

whatchamacallit · 09-15-09, 23:44

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Originally Posted by opiatoker

yeah, you know... i always wondered why the others boiled the bark, then removed it from the liquid and pulled from the liquid alone. also seemed as if the boiling of the powdered bark was an un necessary waste of time, because it is powdered, therefore is already broken down as finely as can be, therefore only needing water or a solution it is soluable in, to come in contact with the fine powder to dilute it.

this tek may just make my friends friend try another experiment, just for the experience.

this strikes a curiosity though...

why would this type of extraction not be possible with powdered poppies?? i would assume that is would, because it is doing the same thing as the long boiling process and rather than having just sludge, you have the hcl version. which one would assume is all around better??

Opiate alkaloids can be damaged by too high pH. There are extractions posted on various forums, with suggestions on pH and chemicals used, but each alkaloid has different properties, so they each need different chemicals and methods for extracting. SWIM can find an pod extraction tek, if you'd like.

whatchamacallit · 09-15-09, 23:49

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Originally Posted by tenjin

Ya come to think of it I think it was a bit smaller extraction than this tek calls for which is probablywhy it was more white before wash. I just didn't know if storing the MHRB (not the pulls) in the freezer a couple months had anything to do with it? As I've heard freezing the bark will break down the cell walls faster. It just seemed that way (have no experience in knowing one way or another) since it was around the same ratios and source used but the yellow was obtained by using the bark fresh and the white came right out of pulls using bark frozen for a couple months. Do you know if theres any truth to that? Sorry if gettin off topic in your thread man.

Plants cell walls should rupture if they have any moisture in them and they are frozen. Not sure of exactly why the spice came out cleaner, but it could be the temperature of the naphtha, or temperature of the whole solution. Heat tends to pull more impurities, but it also finished faster, usually. Those would be my only guesses.

Sweetjames, SWIM isn't sure where you could have gone wrong if the tek was followed exactly. Perhaps try evaporating some solvent to see if anything comes out. SWIM might suspect the bark, but it's really hard to guess. Was the polar wash done exactly as in the tek? If you'd like, PM me the bark source, and I'll look around to see if anyone else has experience with them. Also, don't throw anything away, we can probably find it, if it's in there.

sweetjames · 09-16-09, 15:45

SWIM's failed attempt.
Milk jug filled half with water, 1 lb lye added in 1/3's shaking and cooling in between until no longer heating when shaken.
1 lb MHRB powder/shredded mix.(could this have been the problem, since it was not completely powdered?)
Let sit for an hour in heat bath.
Added 400 ml ace vm&p naphtha, shaken well, and left in heat bath to separate out. Pulled and separated with makeshift sep. funnel from gatorade bottle. Then solvent was poured into a new jug.
Repeated 3 more times.
Polar wash with sodium carbonate 2 times, then one more wash with just water. (Transferring between jugs using sep. funnel)
Epsom salt was then microwaved for a little over 5 minutes and used to dry the solvent, then filtered out with a coffee filter.
Freezer was set all the way up and the solvent jug was left in there for freeze precipitation for over 50 hours.
SWIM ended up with basically nothing. Could the problem be with too much sodium carbonate in the wash or the bark not being broken down enough?
He still has the lye/water/mhrb mix which has been sitting for a while now.
Do you think that more dmt will have been turned into the freebase form by the lye/water now that it has been sitting longer, and doing more pulls now will give him something at least?

whatchamacallit · 09-16-09, 15:58

To little carbonate would be more of a problem than too much. How much water was used for the wash roughly? just a little bit? Possiblyt doing more pulls could help. Also, try evaporating the already used solvent to see if anything is left, perhaps. Don't see anything wrong with the tek, so not sure what could have happened. the not powdered bark could affect yields, but one should still get something.

opiatoker · 09-16-09, 18:37

not sure if this has any relevence, but i do know that sodium carbonate that has been open and sitting for a long time loses its cleaning strength. i assume it is because it has already absorbed enough from the surrounding environment that it becomes saturated and no longer can absorb anything else... was it a fresh box? or been in the refridge for 6 months open?? just a thought.

sagiboy · 09-16-09, 20:06

tnx bro.

you made it simple and possible.
thanks for all the time in the chat, patience and great knowledge.
the check is in the mail... lol...

-="FASTEN YOUR SEATBELTS..."=-
http://forums.mycotopia.net/botanica...b-dmt-stb.html (SagiBoy MHRB -=DMT=- STB)

lysergic · 09-17-09, 01:11

Hell Yes!

Way to go Whatcha!

That PDF is awesome too

Fizzurb · 09-17-09, 10:17

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Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

Using more water probably doesn't hurt, but SWIM's tek works terrific for him. He also is sure to use reputable sources of known quality bark. Yields can vary from batch to batch, or vendor to vendor, especially. This bark was from Mexico, and had been reported by several others to be of outstanding quality. BBB usually has pretty good quality bark, though, and they are in the US, so no dealing with customs.

Yep....mexico... shits amazing.... any word on the reptile lady with that report or anyone elses trip reports?

Very good tek I must say whatcha.... swims first attempt with the MHRB he ran half about a lb and got like close to 2.5% but swim did not do the clean because of confusing posts about sodium carbonate... etc. and charcoal .... confusing for a non chemist....

This tek was straight and easy and now that swim has his footing down is gonna try the clean method in the near future. Mad props and thank you for your info/ knowledge.

Peace Fizz

whatchamacallit · 09-17-09, 13:11

Sodium bicarbonate can be heated, covered loosely, in the oven at about 400 degress F for a couple hours, and this will convert the bicarb to carbonate.

opiatoker · 09-18-09, 05:44

ok, SWIM still hasn't tried the tek, will get more materials when some extra funds are avaliable, he tells me this is so far his most expensive semester yet, due to his set design, construction and lighting class for stop motion animation (lots of expensive supplies) but he can tell you right now, this tek renders all others obsolete. as great as they are, and as many people they have enlightened, this tek is however modern technology (you know what i mean).

anyway, for the guys who aren't getting anything, or much from their extractions, SWIM has figured out a way to get back / check if you have any DMT in your solvent without the need to evaporate it all away.

I am only posting this in this thread, because it is very handy, as well as this thread will be read by everyone and everyone else for a long time...

SWIM is in the middle of one experiment that may help recover all dmt that will not be pulled out... but that is not yet finished sorting out..

BUT what SWIM did, that will make sense to all of you who have played with these experimants, and will be very helpful to those of you who just don't like the idea of evaporating away all the solvent $.

what SWIM did is pour all the solvent into a pyrex dish, then he added water to the dish. not that small of an amount either. he added about 1/2" of water to the dish. and of course the solvent sits on the water. now by reaction of the lye and the DMT it is converted (maybe someone can give the proper terminoogy freebase? hcl??) to something that once pulled into the solvent is soluble in in oil / fuel and no longer soluble in water. therefore, puttting it on the burner, SWIM let it boil for a minute or two (not sure if necessary) same as you would to evaporate the solvent, causes the DMT to fall out of the solvent and in an oily layer, sits on top of the water layer. you can clearly see a thick membrane separating the solvent from the water. SWIM has yet to remove it, but it appears as if the DMT hitting the water has turned it into a solid, rather than merely an oil. it appears that if swim would pour the solvent off, he could easily use a filter, or even a fine mesh wrapped around a wire loop (like pantyhose) he could scoop it right out. he will evap more solvent to see if the membrane thickens, or if it is already all pulled back out. the solvent is still strongly yellow, so he assumes there is still plenty DMT in there. anyway, i thought SWIM may be on to something that may help relieve some stress as well as save him from the fumes of the evaporate and the cost of buying another whole freakin can of solvent.

shroom_seeker · 10-13-09, 15:52

SWIM has now used this tek twice. the first time swim cut the tek in half and using a sponsors bark yielded a very light yellow spice. the second time swim used a non sponsor bark and had a strange yield, a mixture of almost all white spice with what appears to be a reddish brown earwax. Anyone knows what is going on with this ??

From the first pull of non sponsor bark swim noted that the pull was much more red then his first trial. In the first pic you can see the amber color to the solvent, as well as a white formation that appeared before the jug was set into freezer for precipitation. Pic#2 shows the jug after nearly 72hours in the freezer. Pic#3 shows a small amount of what SWIM assumes is white spice isolated from the rest. Pic#4 shows the reddish brown earwax stuff with a bunch of the white mixed in (swim needs another baking dish). Pic#5 shows the jug after it was scraped.

kcmoxtractor · 10-13-09, 16:04

First pic is first extraction yield, second is second extraction yield. Third is jug after first extraction's freeze precip. Fourth is jug after second extraction's freeze precip.

Second extraction done with freezer saturated solvent. Yield was 28g from 1750g plant material, or 1.6%. Going to convert most of it to salt for long term storage, and separate oxide and convert back to freebase using elemental zinc.

Shadowlord · 10-13-09, 17:48

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Originally Posted by shroom_seeker

SWIM has now used this tek twice. the first time swim cut the tek in half and using a sponsors bark yielded a very light yellow spice. the second time swim used a non sponsor bark and had a strange yield, a mixture of almost all white spice with what appears to be a reddish brown earwax. Anyone knows what is going on with this ??

From the first pull of non sponsor bark swim noted that the pull was much more red then his first trial. In the first pic you can see the amber color to the solvent, as well as a white formation that appeared before the jug was set into freezer for precipitation. Pic#2 shows the jug after nearly 72hours in the freezer. Pic#3 shows a small amount of what SWIM assumes is white spice isolated from the rest. Pic#4 shows the reddish brown earwax stuff with a bunch of the white mixed in (swim needs another baking dish). Pic#5 shows the jug after it was scraped.

I've gotten brown ear wax consistency stuff as well before. especially when I was trying small scale extractions. I am not sure what causes it or how to avoid it or if it is possible to avoid. It may just be part of what is in some bark. I have noticed that when doing reX's that if one switched vessels shortly after the Heptane has cooled, there is often a brownish film that can be wiped out of the original vessel. The crudest stuff falls out first so you get a layer effect ( especially if slow cooled ) you will get the worst of it on the bottom with the crystals at the top being the purest.

And I hear you about needing another baking dish. I have several and they always seem to have something going on in them.

And great job Seeker and KCMO. Good job of Wazzling there.

IntotheLabyrinth · 10-14-09, 15:40

So is there any specific ph plus to use, or will any work?

whatchamacallit · 10-14-09, 17:00

The stuff SWIM used was from Wally World, but you basically want pure sodium carbonate, which happened to be what this particular brand of pH Plus was.. One can bake baking soda in the oven at 400 F for an hour or two and it will turn into sodium carbonate.

kcmoxtractor · 10-14-09, 17:07

Usually its by the pool chemicals or pond stuff. Home Depot had it also, it comes in a blue bottle that is about 7 inches tall.

HypoLuxa · 10-22-09, 12:46

So, SWIM followed this TEK to the T and his end product quality sucks!!! Any clue why? The only thing that SWIM did slighly diffrently was use baking soda which was baked for a couple hours in the oven changing it into Soda Ash then also not having ph strips to test the Soda ash/water mixture when washing. Is it possible SWIM used to much sodium carbinate in the wash and it messed up the DMT somehow or would this strictly be a reflection of the quality of MHRB? SWIMs yield sucked also but SWIM is still learning so whatever. SWIM is more concerned with the quality. Thanks.

whatchamacallit · 10-23-09, 03:48

How did it come out? The wash shouldn't have much to do with what comes out in the end, it just removes a bit of the impurities.

It's hard to know what could have went wrong. Did you dry the solvent properly with baked epsom salts? Many people like the yellow DMT better than the white, but for SWIM, the white is desired. To make it white, recrystallization is necessary.

SWIM just prefers the STB because it's much faster and takes less work than an a/b, although it does come out a bit yellower. However, SWIM get's better yields, faster from the STB, and recrystallizing still takes less time than soaking bark in acid water a few times.

LotRev · 10-23-09, 16:48

Are you still going to post your re-x with pics?

Sidestreet Getaway · 10-26-09, 10:27

can I use acetone for the solvent instead of naphtha?

edit: I'm looking around, and I don't think I can use acetone because it's polar. Am I right?

kcmoxtractor · 10-26-09, 11:23

Acetone is miscible with water, it probably wouldn't be a good choice.

Sidestreet Getaway · 10-26-09, 12:31

Thanks, found some naphtha and working on my first extraction. Thanks for the easy to follow tek, Whatcha!

Shadowlord · 10-26-09, 14:23

Good luck on your first extraction Sidestreet. W/ all the info and pics here in Whatcha's thread you are sure to have success.
Let us know how you do.

whatchamacallit · 10-31-09, 00:27

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Originally Posted by LotRev

Are you still going to post your re-x with pics?

Yeah, I will eventually but SWIM moved and doesn't have the camera at the moment, plus has had a bunch of other busy stuff to care for lately, but as soon as he gets to it I'll be sure to post it for him.

Alasdair · 11-02-09, 01:49

I'm new to this site. I have to say this is the best pictorial of STB I've seen. One question if I may...what is done with the MHRB lye sludge water when S.W.I.M. Has finished his final pull?

Alasdair · 11-02-09, 02:30

Also what is done with the naptha after it reaches a point that it cannot be reused? How would one dispose of these two things? I would like to know whatchas answer to this

Sidestreet Getaway · 11-02-09, 09:39

I completed my first extraction, and got a small amount of DMT, which blew my mind. Thanks again for the tek, Whatcha.

I also got an oily yellow residue apart from the crystalline substance... like earwax when cold, but like melted butter when at room temp.

Anyway, I think I know why my yield was small (didn't get bark broken up nearly small enough) and I can't wait to try again.

This tek and the bark I won from the midsummer madness raffle have opened up whole new worlds of possibility for me, it's really great.

kcmoxtractor · 11-02-09, 09:45

When you are finished with the naphtha you could evaporate it to get more crystal.

Sidestreet, the yellow substance that you got was DMT n-oxide still active, but just straight yellow oil gives a very heavy body buzz when smoked. You can convert it back to DMT using elemental zinc, Lysergic posted the tek here, it was written by 69ron at the DMTnexus.

Sidestreet Getaway · 11-02-09, 09:48

Thanks

whatchamacallit · 11-02-09, 10:16

The naphtha can be reused many, many times, and when you feel it's time to start with some fresh, just evaporate what there is, and collect any oils and alkaloids and recrystallize it. The mhrb/lye/sludge can be dumped outside or even down a toilet or drain very slowly with plenty of water. Just don't want to get too big of clumps of bark stuck in the drain. However, the lye water is drain cleaner so should be fine for indoor pipes.

copelandiaKidd · 11-02-09, 11:46

thanx a lot, that clears up a few things!!!!!

Alasdair · 11-02-09, 12:49

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Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

The naphtha can be reused many, many times, and when you feel it's time to start with some fresh, just evaporate what there is, and collect any oils and alkaloids and recrystallize it. The mhrb/lye/sludge can be dumped outside or even down a toilet or drain very slowly with plenty of water. Just don't want to get too big of clumps of bark stuck in the drain. However, the lye water is drain cleaner so should be fine for indoor pipes.

Ok thank you very much, S.W.I.M figured as much about the naptha, and I also remember something about lye and water being a cleaning substance. the only ingredient out of place is the bark and thats just bark so its fine. S.W.I.M just wanted to make sure hes not hurting the planet in a substantial way. Much appreciated Whatcha, S.W.I.M is doing a smaller STB atm, But said he will be doing the same scale as what you have given here. he hopes it yields same amounts. When done I hope he provides pics...

nra9785 · 11-02-09, 13:14

: bow:

Shadowlord · 11-02-09, 13:37

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Originally Posted by Alasdair

Ok thank you very much, S.W.I.M figured as much about the naptha, and I also remember something about lye and water being a cleaning substance. the only ingredient out of place is the bark and thats just bark so its fine. S.W.I.M just wanted to make sure hes not hurting the planet in a substantial way. Much appreciated Whatcha, S.W.I.M is doing a smaller STB atm, But said he will be doing the same scale as what you have given here. he hopes it yields same amounts. When done I hope he provides pics...

Welcome to Mycotopia and Best of Luck w/ your extractions.
I came here knowing nothing and have been able to run this extraction thanks to the info I found here so I am sure you will do just great.

StheNC · 11-03-09, 11:30

What a great forum, and one heck of a helping hand too. I've been lurking on the discussion boards, researching this topic for some months now and this is by far the best breakdown of the process I've seen yet. No ammonia. Bonus. I logged in to ask some questions today, but I no longer think I need to. Some weird hairy animal I met last week has all the supplies except the phPlus and that crazy freak is going to the store for a fierce grape gatorade right now. That creepy beast was really sweating the sep funnel thing because he doesn't want to wait for one to ship and a plastic bag seems sketchy. Gatorade. Brilliant. The vendor that the Raving Loon I know got the bark from had some nice write-ups from other customers and he hopes it packs a mighty punch. He'll be quartering the recipe and using glass jars, and I believe he may even let me post some photos for him. Can he tell by how pink the powder is whether it is strong, or is the color just the tannins? Is the gooey gunk what some folks call jungle spice? I hope I get to see the ReXtal pics soon. Heptane for that, right? Bestine?
I'm very exited to see the results of that mad gorilla's first experiment.
Thank you, and goodnight.

Shadowlord · 11-03-09, 15:15

Welcome to Mycotopia, StheNC.
Best of luck in your extraction.

Alasdair · 11-03-09, 16:59

So the lye and MHRB are pound for pound? in each jug?

S.W.I.M. is doing a smaller scale extraction, he has done 4 pulls on one jar and it was working fine until the fourth pull. He should me a pic and it has 3 layers instead of just the two (naptha on top/ lye, MHRB, water sludge on bottom.) The other jar has done this since the first pull, and has not released much naptha at all.

He has tried leaving them in a heat bath which worked somewhat but it still seems inefficient.
What could cause this? at first S.W.I.M. thought he had put to little lye, then he thought to much lye, but judging by this it is 1:1 of lye and MHRB. could it be to much naptha or water? or is he rolling/shaking them to vigourously?

... what he has pulled he decided to freeze percipitate as not to waste what has worked. <-- edit

ZoSoWizard · 11-13-09, 01:12

I just wanted to say to Whatcha that this is abso-fucking-lute GENIOUS we got here in this STB.

No lab-stuff, common, every-day, run-of-the-mill ingredients and equipment: a million copies of this shit needs to be printed out along with vendor information concerning Caapi and MHRB and just spread all over the globe!!

Thank you so much; you rock!!!

Choke-Tatts · 11-17-09, 13:20

First off Hi everyone I'm new to this site and glad that there is so much information and informative people here. Swim has a couple of questions as he has just completed this tek a few days ago and attempted to smoke the spice. Swim followed this tek to the letter everything the same but just one jug and 1lb of powder. So 454 grams of mhrb powder added to the jug of water. Lye added in 1/3 increments shaken and cooled down in a cold bath. All the way to the end where the solvent goes into the freezer. Swim does not fully understand the end of this tek because it seems too vague. Swim takes the solvent out of the freezer that has been in there for about 50 hours and notices things floating on the bottom of the jug. Swim took the 2 liter funnel and a coffee filter and poured the solvent into the other jug with the filter in the 2 liter funnel. Swim immediately put the crystals in front of the fan to dry. Swim noticed that while drying the crystals started to melt and become like a gooey yellow substance. Swim then put the gooey melted crystals into the freezer. Swim took the gooey liquid out of the freezer and tried to chop it up into a powder form to make it look like the pics in this thread. Swim was getting very aggravated because it would always melt and could not be worked with. When refrozen again and crushed, swim noticed that the color had turned white. When swim refroze it again and crushed it to try and get a powder or smokeable form, the crystals would always melt, so back in the freezer it went. Swim then tried to take it out of the freezer in powder form and smoke it. Swim had to work quick and put the powder in the pipe because the powder would melt. Swim took about 4 hits and noticed how hard it was to inhale because the smoke was extremely thick and hard on the lungs. Swim said it was the most hardest thing to inhale ever. Swim did not get any visuals but just felt funny and complained of chest pains. Swim is not exactly sure what went wrong and wished the end of this tek would be explained better. Best tek on the internet but can someone break down what I did or explain what exactly needs to be done in the end for swim? Swim greatly appreciates it.

PDXcacti · 11-17-09, 14:31

Just a quick question on this tek. I just ran through it for the first time, and my solvent just went into the freezer, waiting on results. My question is concerning a ratio mistake I made, and what to do about it. See, I used 1/4 the amount of MHRB, and decided to use 1/4 the amount of lye, however I screwed up by not using 1/4 the amount of water... I had 1/2 gallon milk jugs so I used that half full of water which isn't the lye concentration I needed... first, how bad is this going ot be for me? second, should I take my lye/MHRB sludge and go ahead and add more lye and try to pull from it again?

On another note: Thanks for this awesome and easy to follow tek, the fact that my newbness only managed to screw up a little bit on this, is a testament to its ease, next time through should be easy as pie

kcmoxtractor · 11-17-09, 15:27

You should be fine. If you don't get a decent pull you can add more lye and try it again. How much naphtha did you add when you did your pulls?

PDXcacti · 11-17-09, 15:37

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Originally Posted by kcmoxtractor

You should be fine. If you don't get a decent pull you can add more lye and try it again. How much naphtha did you add when you did your pulls?

~150ml ea. did 100ml first time but found more solvent easier to handle for the next 3.

kcmoxtractor · 11-17-09, 15:38

So you used ~550mL of naphtha total?

PDXcacti · 11-17-09, 16:17

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Originally Posted by kcmoxtractor

So you used ~550mL of naphtha total?

yes, maybe slightly more

kcmoxtractor · 11-17-09, 16:22

Let us know what your final dry weight is if you don't mind, have to see the results before we know anything else.

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09-16-09, 15:58	#59 (permalink)
whatchamacallit Deadhead Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,170	To little carbonate would be more of a problem than too much. How much water was used for the wash roughly? just a little bit? Possiblyt doing more pulls could help. Also, try evaporating the already used solvent to see if anything is left, perhaps. Don't see anything wrong with the tek, so not sure what could have happened. the not powdered bark could affect yields, but one should still get something. __________________ I'm addicted to placebos, I could quit but it wouldn't matter.. http://deadvids.com/dv3 24/7 Dead Videos with a chatroom!

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sagiboy -= Magic Passion =- Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 791	thank you tnx bro. you made it simple and possible. thanks for all the time in the chat, patience and great knowledge. the check is in the mail... lol... -="FASTEN YOUR SEATBELTS..."=- http://forums.mycotopia.net/botanica...b-dmt-stb.html (SagiBoy MHRB -=DMT=- STB) __________________ "when you don`t know where you going any road will take you there..."

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lysergic Down on the Pharm Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,961	Hell Yes! Way to go Whatcha! That PDF is awesome too __________________ Lefty: They should ban idiots not drugs

09-17-09, 13:11	#64 (permalink)
whatchamacallit Deadhead Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,170	Sodium bicarbonate can be heated, covered loosely, in the oven at about 400 degress F for a couple hours, and this will convert the bicarb to carbonate. __________________ I'm addicted to placebos, I could quit but it wouldn't matter.. http://deadvids.com/dv3 24/7 Dead Videos with a chatroom!

09-15-09, 14:12	#54 (permalink)
Shamsu Sham-su Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 130	awsome pictoral tek, i like the way you utilised the gatorade bottle for seperation. that was a good pull too, nice crystals. a man after my own heart

09-15-09, 17:41	#55 (permalink)
opiatoker Mycophage Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 123	yeah, you know... i always wondered why the others boiled the bark, then removed it from the liquid and pulled from the liquid alone. also seemed as if the boiling of the powdered bark was an un necessary waste of time, because it is powdered, therefore is already broken down as finely as can be, therefore only needing water or a solution it is soluable in, to come in contact with the fine powder to dilute it. this tek may just make my friends friend try another experiment, just for the experience. this strikes a curiosity though... why would this type of extraction not be possible with powdered poppies?? i would assume that is would, because it is doing the same thing as the long boiling process and rather than having just sludge, you have the hcl version. which one would assume is all around better??

09-16-09, 15:45	#58 (permalink)
sweetjames Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 6	SWIM's failed attempt. Milk jug filled half with water, 1 lb lye added in 1/3's shaking and cooling in between until no longer heating when shaken. 1 lb MHRB powder/shredded mix.(could this have been the problem, since it was not completely powdered?) Let sit for an hour in heat bath. Added 400 ml ace vm&p naphtha, shaken well, and left in heat bath to separate out. Pulled and separated with makeshift sep. funnel from gatorade bottle. Then solvent was poured into a new jug. Repeated 3 more times. Polar wash with sodium carbonate 2 times, then one more wash with just water. (Transferring between jugs using sep. funnel) Epsom salt was then microwaved for a little over 5 minutes and used to dry the solvent, then filtered out with a coffee filter. Freezer was set all the way up and the solvent jug was left in there for freeze precipitation for over 50 hours. SWIM ended up with basically nothing. Could the problem be with too much sodium carbonate in the wash or the bark not being broken down enough? He still has the lye/water/mhrb mix which has been sitting for a while now. Do you think that more dmt will have been turned into the freebase form by the lye/water now that it has been sitting longer, and doing more pulls now will give him something at least?

09-16-09, 18:37	#60 (permalink)
opiatoker Mycophage Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 123	not sure if this has any relevence, but i do know that sodium carbonate that has been open and sitting for a long time loses its cleaning strength. i assume it is because it has already absorbed enough from the surrounding environment that it becomes saturated and no longer can absorb anything else... was it a fresh box? or been in the refridge for 6 months open?? just a thought.

09-18-09, 05:44	#65 (permalink)
opiatoker Mycophage Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 123	ok, SWIM still hasn't tried the tek, will get more materials when some extra funds are avaliable, he tells me this is so far his most expensive semester yet, due to his set design, construction and lighting class for stop motion animation (lots of expensive supplies) but he can tell you right now, this tek renders all others obsolete. as great as they are, and as many people they have enlightened, this tek is however modern technology (you know what i mean). anyway, for the guys who aren't getting anything, or much from their extractions, SWIM has figured out a way to get back / check if you have any DMT in your solvent without the need to evaporate it all away. I am only posting this in this thread, because it is very handy, as well as this thread will be read by everyone and everyone else for a long time... SWIM is in the middle of one experiment that may help recover all dmt that will not be pulled out... but that is not yet finished sorting out.. BUT what SWIM did, that will make sense to all of you who have played with these experimants, and will be very helpful to those of you who just don't like the idea of evaporating away all the solvent $. what SWIM did is pour all the solvent into a pyrex dish, then he added water to the dish. not that small of an amount either. he added about 1/2" of water to the dish. and of course the solvent sits on the water. now by reaction of the lye and the DMT it is converted (maybe someone can give the proper terminoogy freebase? hcl??) to something that once pulled into the solvent is soluble in in oil / fuel and no longer soluble in water. therefore, puttting it on the burner, SWIM let it boil for a minute or two (not sure if necessary) same as you would to evaporate the solvent, causes the DMT to fall out of the solvent and in an oily layer, sits on top of the water layer. you can clearly see a thick membrane separating the solvent from the water. SWIM has yet to remove it, but it appears as if the DMT hitting the water has turned it into a solid, rather than merely an oil. it appears that if swim would pour the solvent off, he could easily use a filter, or even a fine mesh wrapped around a wire loop (like pantyhose) he could scoop it right out. he will evap more solvent to see if the membrane thickens, or if it is already all pulled back out. the solvent is still strongly yellow, so he assumes there is still plenty DMT in there. anyway, i thought SWIM may be on to something that may help relieve some stress as well as save him from the fumes of the evaporate and the cost of buying another whole freakin can of solvent.

10-13-09, 15:52	#66 (permalink)
shroom_seeker still seeking.. Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,259	strange results SWIM has now used this tek twice. the first time swim cut the tek in half and using a sponsors bark yielded a very light yellow spice. the second time swim used a non sponsor bark and had a strange yield, a mixture of almost all white spice with what appears to be a reddish brown earwax. Anyone knows what is going on with this ?? From the first pull of non sponsor bark swim noted that the pull was much more red then his first trial. In the first pic you can see the amber color to the solvent, as well as a white formation that appeared before the jug was set into freezer for precipitation. Pic#2 shows the jug after nearly 72hours in the freezer. Pic#3 shows a small amount of what SWIM assumes is white spice isolated from the rest. Pic#4 shows the reddish brown earwax stuff with a bunch of the white mixed in (swim needs another baking dish). Pic#5 shows the jug after it was scraped. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Impeccability is nothing else but the proper use of energy - don Juan Matus

10-13-09, 16:04	#67 (permalink)
kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,349	First pic is first extraction yield, second is second extraction yield. Third is jug after first extraction's freeze precip. Fourth is jug after second extraction's freeze precip. Second extraction done with freezer saturated solvent. Yield was 28g from 1750g plant material, or 1.6%. Going to convert most of it to salt for long term storage, and separate oxide and convert back to freebase using elemental zinc. Attached Thumbnails __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

10-14-09, 15:40	#69 (permalink)
IntotheLabyrinth Lost Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 103	So is there any specific ph plus to use, or will any work? __________________ A child's rhyme stuck in my head. It said that life is but a dream. I've spent so many years in question to find I've known this all along.

10-14-09, 17:00	#70 (permalink)
whatchamacallit Deadhead Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,170	The stuff SWIM used was from Wally World, but you basically want pure sodium carbonate, which happened to be what this particular brand of pH Plus was.. One can bake baking soda in the oven at 400 F for an hour or two and it will turn into sodium carbonate. __________________ I'm addicted to placebos, I could quit but it wouldn't matter.. http://deadvids.com/dv3 24/7 Dead Videos with a chatroom!

10-14-09, 17:07	#71 (permalink)
kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,349	Usually its by the pool chemicals or pond stuff. Home Depot had it also, it comes in a blue bottle that is about 7 inches tall. __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

10-22-09, 12:46	#72 (permalink)
HypoLuxa Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1	So, SWIM followed this TEK to the T and his end product quality sucks!!! Any clue why? The only thing that SWIM did slighly diffrently was use baking soda which was baked for a couple hours in the oven changing it into Soda Ash then also not having ph strips to test the Soda ash/water mixture when washing. Is it possible SWIM used to much sodium carbinate in the wash and it messed up the DMT somehow or would this strictly be a reflection of the quality of MHRB? SWIMs yield sucked also but SWIM is still learning so whatever. SWIM is more concerned with the quality. Thanks.

10-23-09, 03:48	#73 (permalink)
whatchamacallit Deadhead Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,170	How did it come out? The wash shouldn't have much to do with what comes out in the end, it just removes a bit of the impurities. It's hard to know what could have went wrong. Did you dry the solvent properly with baked epsom salts? Many people like the yellow DMT better than the white, but for SWIM, the white is desired. To make it white, recrystallization is necessary. SWIM just prefers the STB because it's much faster and takes less work than an a/b, although it does come out a bit yellower. However, SWIM get's better yields, faster from the STB, and recrystallizing still takes less time than soaking bark in acid water a few times. __________________ I'm addicted to placebos, I could quit but it wouldn't matter.. http://deadvids.com/dv3 24/7 Dead Videos with a chatroom!

10-23-09, 16:48	#74 (permalink)
LotRev Technopagan Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,070	Are you still going to post your re-x with pics? __________________ Wine is fine, but whiskey's quicker - Suicide is slow with liqueur Take a bottle, drown your sorrows - Then it floods away tomorrows

10-26-09, 10:27	#75 (permalink)
Sidestreet Getaway Slaptastician Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,319	can I use acetone for the solvent instead of naphtha? edit: I'm looking around, and I don't think I can use acetone because it's polar. Am I right?

10-26-09, 11:23	#76 (permalink)
kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,349	Acetone is miscible with water, it probably wouldn't be a good choice. __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

10-26-09, 12:31	#77 (permalink)
Sidestreet Getaway Slaptastician Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,319	Thanks, found some naphtha and working on my first extraction. Thanks for the easy to follow tek, Whatcha!

10-26-09, 14:23	#78 (permalink)
Shadowlord Lost and Wandering. Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,549	Good luck on your first extraction Sidestreet. W/ all the info and pics here in Whatcha's thread you are sure to have success. Let us know how you do. __________________ Looking at a cookie is like looking at the future. Until you've tasted it what do you really know? And once you have, it's too late. ~ Merlin

11-02-09, 01:49	#80 (permalink)
Alasdair Aumbry Shaman Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11	just out of curiosity I'm new to this site. I have to say this is the best pictorial of STB I've seen. One question if I may...what is done with the MHRB lye sludge water when S.W.I.M. Has finished his final pull? __________________ Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist, but you have ceased to live. ~Mark Twain~

11-02-09, 02:30	#81 (permalink)
Alasdair Aumbry Shaman Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11	Also what is done with the naptha after it reaches a point that it cannot be reused? How would one dispose of these two things? I would like to know whatchas answer to this __________________ Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist, but you have ceased to live. ~Mark Twain~

11-02-09, 09:39	#82 (permalink)
Sidestreet Getaway Slaptastician Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,319	I completed my first extraction, and got a small amount of DMT, which blew my mind. Thanks again for the tek, Whatcha. I also got an oily yellow residue apart from the crystalline substance... like earwax when cold, but like melted butter when at room temp. Anyway, I think I know why my yield was small (didn't get bark broken up nearly small enough) and I can't wait to try again. This tek and the bark I won from the midsummer madness raffle have opened up whole new worlds of possibility for me, it's really great.

11-02-09, 09:45	#83 (permalink)
kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,349	When you are finished with the naphtha you could evaporate it to get more crystal. Sidestreet, the yellow substance that you got was DMT n-oxide still active, but just straight yellow oil gives a very heavy body buzz when smoked. You can convert it back to DMT using elemental zinc, Lysergic posted the tek here, it was written by 69ron at the DMTnexus. __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

11-02-09, 09:48	#84 (permalink)
Sidestreet Getaway Slaptastician Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,319	Thanks

11-02-09, 10:16	#85 (permalink)
whatchamacallit Deadhead Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,170	The naphtha can be reused many, many times, and when you feel it's time to start with some fresh, just evaporate what there is, and collect any oils and alkaloids and recrystallize it. The mhrb/lye/sludge can be dumped outside or even down a toilet or drain very slowly with plenty of water. Just don't want to get too big of clumps of bark stuck in the drain. However, the lye water is drain cleaner so should be fine for indoor pipes. __________________ I'm addicted to placebos, I could quit but it wouldn't matter.. http://deadvids.com/dv3 24/7 Dead Videos with a chatroom!

11-02-09, 11:46	#86 (permalink)
copelandiaKidd Void Of Boundaries Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 578	thanx a lot, that clears up a few things!!!!! __________________ "LEARN THE RULES SO YOU CAN BREAK THEM PROPERLY" -The Dali lama "i don't care if it eats my cat, as long as the damn thing fruits"~ prism

11-02-09, 13:14	#88 (permalink)
nra9785 Ecologist in Training Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 246	: bow: __________________ -~Shalom Aleichem~-

11-03-09, 11:30	#90 (permalink)
StheNC Radioactive Workhorse Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 42	What a great forum, and one heck of a helping hand too. I've been lurking on the discussion boards, researching this topic for some months now and this is by far the best breakdown of the process I've seen yet. No ammonia. Bonus. I logged in to ask some questions today, but I no longer think I need to. Some weird hairy animal I met last week has all the supplies except the phPlus and that crazy freak is going to the store for a fierce grape gatorade right now. That creepy beast was really sweating the sep funnel thing because he doesn't want to wait for one to ship and a plastic bag seems sketchy. Gatorade. Brilliant. The vendor that the Raving Loon I know got the bark from had some nice write-ups from other customers and he hopes it packs a mighty punch. He'll be quartering the recipe and using glass jars, and I believe he may even let me post some photos for him. Can he tell by how pink the powder is whether it is strong, or is the color just the tannins? Is the gooey gunk what some folks call jungle spice? I hope I get to see the ReXtal pics soon. Heptane for that, right? Bestine? I'm very exited to see the results of that mad gorilla's first experiment. Thank you, and goodnight.

11-03-09, 15:15	#91 (permalink)
Shadowlord Lost and Wandering. Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,549	Welcome to Mycotopia, StheNC. Best of luck in your extraction. __________________ Looking at a cookie is like looking at the future. Until you've tasted it what do you really know? And once you have, it's too late. ~ Merlin

11-03-09, 16:59	#92 (permalink)
Alasdair Aumbry Shaman Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11	So the lye and MHRB are pound for pound? in each jug? S.W.I.M. is doing a smaller scale extraction, he has done 4 pulls on one jar and it was working fine until the fourth pull. He should me a pic and it has 3 layers instead of just the two (naptha on top/ lye, MHRB, water sludge on bottom.) The other jar has done this since the first pull, and has not released much naptha at all. He has tried leaving them in a heat bath which worked somewhat but it still seems inefficient. What could cause this? at first S.W.I.M. thought he had put to little lye, then he thought to much lye, but judging by this it is 1:1 of lye and MHRB. could it be to much naptha or water? or is he rolling/shaking them to vigourously? ... what he has pulled he decided to freeze percipitate as not to waste what has worked. <-- edit __________________ Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist, but you have ceased to live. ~Mark Twain~

11-13-09, 01:12	#93 (permalink)
ZoSoWizard Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4	I just wanted to say to Whatcha that this is abso-fucking-lute GENIOUS we got here in this STB. No lab-stuff, common, every-day, run-of-the-mill ingredients and equipment: a million copies of this shit needs to be printed out along with vendor information concerning Caapi and MHRB and just spread all over the globe!! Thank you so much; you rock!!!

11-17-09, 13:20	#94 (permalink)
Choke-Tatts Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2	First off Hi everyone I'm new to this site and glad that there is so much information and informative people here. Swim has a couple of questions as he has just completed this tek a few days ago and attempted to smoke the spice. Swim followed this tek to the letter everything the same but just one jug and 1lb of powder. So 454 grams of mhrb powder added to the jug of water. Lye added in 1/3 increments shaken and cooled down in a cold bath. All the way to the end where the solvent goes into the freezer. Swim does not fully understand the end of this tek because it seems too vague. Swim takes the solvent out of the freezer that has been in there for about 50 hours and notices things floating on the bottom of the jug. Swim took the 2 liter funnel and a coffee filter and poured the solvent into the other jug with the filter in the 2 liter funnel. Swim immediately put the crystals in front of the fan to dry. Swim noticed that while drying the crystals started to melt and become like a gooey yellow substance. Swim then put the gooey melted crystals into the freezer. Swim took the gooey liquid out of the freezer and tried to chop it up into a powder form to make it look like the pics in this thread. Swim was getting very aggravated because it would always melt and could not be worked with. When refrozen again and crushed, swim noticed that the color had turned white. When swim refroze it again and crushed it to try and get a powder or smokeable form, the crystals would always melt, so back in the freezer it went. Swim then tried to take it out of the freezer in powder form and smoke it. Swim had to work quick and put the powder in the pipe because the powder would melt. Swim took about 4 hits and noticed how hard it was to inhale because the smoke was extremely thick and hard on the lungs. Swim said it was the most hardest thing to inhale ever. Swim did not get any visuals but just felt funny and complained of chest pains. Swim is not exactly sure what went wrong and wished the end of this tek would be explained better. Best tek on the internet but can someone break down what I did or explain what exactly needs to be done in the end for swim? Swim greatly appreciates it.