Whatcha's Easy MHRB STB Extraction, Step by Step Pictorial

[DivineMomentsofTruth]

this is the clearest and easiest tek from what i can see thats around. very thorough, very awesome. thanks for the info whatcha! swim is going to use your pictorial for a long time.

[Choke-Tatts]

Any help on my earlier post on page 2? Still could not figure things out.

[kcmoxtractor]

Originally Posted by Choke-Tatts

Any help on my earlier post on page 2? Still could not figure things out.

Formatting was terrible, couldn't read it. You should apply the rules of English in other writing besides English class.

[jacobsladder]

My friend is getting this. Think its just cause the roots are fatty? He is getting super low yields too. He hasnt thrown anything away though just incase.

[whatchamacallit]

Originally Posted by opiatoker

not sure if this has any relevence, but i do know that sodium carbonate that has been open and sitting for a long time loses its cleaning strength. i assume it is because it has already absorbed enough from the surrounding environment that it becomes saturated and no longer can absorb anything else... was it a fresh box? or been in the refridge for 6 months open?? just a thought.

The bottle in the tek pics, is probably at least a couple years old, and SWIM had no problems.

[opiatoker]

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

The bottle in the tek pics, is probably at least a couple years old, and SWIM had no problems.

lol... yeah, i was thinking bicarbonate for some reason. sorry for the stupid post.

[bbd2]

Originally Posted by jacobsladder

My friend is getting this. Think its just cause the roots are fatty? He is getting super low yields too. He hasnt thrown anything away though just incase.

gnarly,

try re-xing

add more lye and do more pulls

[Germz]

SWIM has now done this TEK 3 times. Had decent yields all three times, but two out of three times he has had a small but annoying problem. When the naphtha and sludge layers separate, and the naphtha needs to be poured off, all the sludge comes up to the top and comes out with the naphtha. He can get maybe the first half of the naphtha off, but then SWIM ends up with the oily goop along with it. The makeshift separatory funnel constantly clogs so it is no help. SWIM had no issues last time he did this TEK... Any idea what causes this? Too much/little Lye?

Another question.. Is there anyway to clean Naphtha so it's like new again aside from distilling it?

TIP: Instead of using milk style jugs for adding your lye to your water, use a thoroughly cleaned out antifreeze/wiper fluid jug. It can take the heat very well. SWIM pours the entire pound of lye in at once and has no problems with it overheating, and the screw on cap holds all of the pressure. No need to worry about it blowing off if for some reason you decide not to vent your bottle.

[kcmoxtractor]

I use an extra one gallon milk jug to pour my naphtha into. The small amount of gunk that pours through with the first decant usually sticks to the bottom of the second jug.

After that you can pour your naphtha straight from the second jug to the collection jug for the washes.

[usagolden]

thats how I have been doing it as well
i decant into jug 2
from there into the sep funnel
and then into the wash jug
finally to the clean jug
makes sure to keep the nasties out

[sagiboy]

[bbd2]

Originally Posted by Germz

Another question.. Is there anyway to clean Naphtha so it's like new again aside from distilling it?

activated charcoal will make it completely clear again,
but it will smell different from fresh naphtha

Originally Posted by Germz

TIP: Instead of using milk style jugs for adding your lye to your water, use a thoroughly cleaned out antifreeze/wiper fluid jug. It can take the heat very well. SWIM pours the entire pound of lye in at once and has no problems with it overheating, and the screw on cap holds all of the pressure. No need to worry about it blowing off if for some reason you decide not to vent your bottle.

this is not smart at all

ALWAYS ALWAYS vent

it might not blow up, the screw cap might hold
but that shit is coming out when you open that jug

this can be bad if someone is not wearing eye protection, shoes, or even clothes

and if they have ppe on,
the safer way is to add lye in small increments and vent frequently when mixing

not venting is unpredictable and risky
cutting corners can become a habit
is the time saved not venting worth it?

[Germz]

Originally Posted by bbd2

activated charcoal will make it completely clear again,
but it will smell different from fresh naphtha



this is not smart at all

ALWAYS ALWAYS vent

it might not blow up, the screw cap might hold
but that shit is coming out when you open that jug

this can be bad if someone is not wearing eye protection, shoes, or even clothes

and if they have ppe on,
the safer way is to add lye in small increments and vent frequently when mixing

not venting is unpredictable and risky
cutting corners can become a habit
is the time saved not venting worth it?

SWIM never said that he didn't vent it... he always does.


back to my original question though, someone had mentioned decanting into a second jug before into the funnel. SWIM's problem is that he can't pour the second half of the naphtha off at all, the sludge comes out before the naphtha which just sits on top in the jug. He finds this rather discouraging since he ends up loosing so much product on top of the sludge unless he does extra pulls. He'd really like some sort of explanation for this.

[whatchamacallit]

SWIM never had that problem. The makeshift sep funnel thing he uses, even though it will clog, he only opens and closes the nozzle slightly and quickly. By doing that repeatedly, it helps prevent the tip from getting clogged, until enough is dripped out. He then often will slowly pour it out of the top of his gatorade bottle sep funnel into the solvent collection jug, just until the last of the dark sludge is nearing the edge, then he dumps the sludge back in with the original jug he got it from.

When he is done with 4 pulls there is not even an 1/8 inch of naphtha left on the water layer, and consequently, there is very little DMT in that layer, and not even worth the effort (perhaps in smaller extractions where one doesn't get the remarkable yield, one would want to worry about that tiny bit, but for 2 lbs of bark, it's just not worth all the trouble to get a dose or two.).

With a little practice it should get easier, or else there are a bunch of other methods people use to separate their naphtha, so one could choose any one of those. The way posted in the tek has always worked for him, so he doesn't like to waste time building more contraptions or buying any glassware.

[opiatoker]

you can always add salt to help break down that top layer of sludge/naptha. and you can also use the handle of a spatula or something similar to just stir that top portion only just tease it with the tip a little and that will help it break down as well.

[StheNC]

I've read in other threads that you can resolve the emulsion with the addition of more lye and/or a warm water bath. More lye couldn't hurt.

[Germz]

the emulsion breaking down has not been an issue whatsoever. it has completely separated by the time SWIM is decanting. the bottom layer simply pushes the top layer aside and comes out first.

[kcmoxtractor]

First couple of pictures show the quality you can expect if this tek is followed properly.

One more just to show what a proper recrystallization can do.

[Sidestreet]

Wow! What am I not doing right? I couldn't find ph plus and used bicarbonate instead, is that it?

[DivineMomentsofTruth]

are milk jugs HDPE? as i know HDPE materials dont erode from solvents and the like. just wondering because i heard that somewhere and i know it has the markings on it somewhere to specify it but i dont have any milk jugs lying around to check. i guess i could go to the store, i do need some for my fruity pebbles! haha

[kcmoxtractor]

Yes, milk jugs are HDPE2.

[P4ulada]

Originally Posted by kcmoxtractor

First couple of pictures show the quality you can expect if this tek is followed properly.

One more just to show what a proper recrystallization can do.

Oh man, very nice results, congratz!

[opiatoker]

ok i got a question....
what if instead of filling the gallon half way with water, and incrimentally adding the lye...
you incrementally dissolve the lye in a minimal amount of water, like 1 cup. set it aside for it to stop reacting. and the rest of the half gallon of water is used to preboil the powdered MHRB for half of an hour or so, just to soften up the powder and loosen the alkaloids from the plant material. and then add the basic slurry.

do you think that would allow you to more rapidly pull even more alkaloids into a smaller number of pulls? or even the same amount of alkaloids in a smaller quantity of np?

[LotRev]

It takes that amount of water to react with that amount of lye.

1LB of lye is a pretty decent amount, and something like 1 cup of water
would not complete the reaction. As soon as you added it to the other water
the rest of the lye would react anyhow.

Adding the lye to the water takes very little time, just let the reaction settle.
The time spend boiling the MHRB would take just as long, and then you would
still have to let the lye catch up with the rest of the water added in.

As far as getting more product faster, or using less NP...I don't think it would
be any noticeable difference.

[bbd2]

lye slurry = lye burn

extremely corrosive

[opiatoker]

Originally Posted by LotRev

It takes that amount of water to react with that amount of lye.

1LB of lye is a pretty decent amount, and something like 1 cup of water
would not complete the reaction. As soon as you added it to the other water
the rest of the lye would react anyhow.

Adding the lye to the water takes very little time, just let the reaction settle.
The time spend boiling the MHRB would take just as long, and then you would
still have to let the lye catch up with the rest of the water added in.

As far as getting more product faster, or using less NP...I don't think it would
be any noticeable difference.

yeah, i'm sure 1 cup of water would just turn to a lye cookie, was only using a cup as an example. ok then how about adding the MHRB shortly after adding the last of the lye? when the reaction has stopped, but the water is still very hot? that should take the place of an extremely hot water bath, right? i mean he would put the mhrb once he can handle the jug from the bottom. it won't burn his hands, therefore shouldn't harm the freebase dmt correct?

a FOAF supposedly has a kilo on the way, i am trying to help him figure out the best way to do it, and i am sure whatchas tek is the best, was just wondering if there is any slight difference that may increase or speed up the yield without degradation of product. apparently he has some a hole anal retentive roomates who like to create drama, and the STB or any tek for that matter would just be perfect fuel for them to ignite their drama.

[whatchamacallit]

Well, do as you wish, but SWIM has extracted DMT for over 6 + years, and has tried numerous teks and methods, settling with the easiest most consistent way, that always worked great for him. Adding steps or changing the tek, may work, heck, you can even do a totally different tek, and in the end of all the experimenting, let us all know what you figured out.

SWIM wrote up this tek for new folks who were having trouble with other teks or didn't quite understand exactly what was being done, and he believes it really has served it's purpose to those people. And especially with the polar wash and drying of the solvent which are mentioned, but never shown in actual photos of the process. In this tek he was going for easy and lye free, smoke-able product, and this seemed to be the simplest way to accomplish those tasks.

He seriously doubts cooking the bark in hot water actually helps much more, but go for it, although, if using those jugs, it'll be very hard to pour a load of hot MHRB sludge through that little hole as it expands a good bit when it hydrates. Good luck on whatever you do!

EDIT, BTW in the tek he does add the bark to the hot lye water (right after the reaction stops, which can be judged by seeing if the jug gets hotter when shaken), then sets it in the heat bath to keep it hot, but still would recommend waiting an hour for the freebases to be freed up completely.

[kcmoxtractor]

One pound of lye fills up three red dixie cups and a little extra.

Originally Posted by opiatoker

a FOAF supposedly has a kilo on the way, i am trying to help him figure out the best way to do it

Follow the tek then, word for word! Did you not see the results that I got? It definitely wasn't my first rodeo, but if you follow the directions on this, it is *fairly* foolproof.

Maybe in the future when you have 8-10 kilos of bark do some experimenting, but KISS!

[opiatoker]

OK OK OK OK!!!!

got it.

supplies arer supposed to arrive monday, which monday he is in san francisco 2 hours away for school until pretty late, then tuesday he has a funeral to attend for his uncle
so he may not get to it until tuesday night, or if he feels up to it after school monday, he may just do it to have some spice ready for somewhere to escape to after the funeral the next day :/ either way, i'll be sure to make him follow the instructions to the letter and will share his success via photo in the following few days.

thanks

[StheNC]

I'm following this tek RIGHT NOW but for just 1/4 pound of bark. Its easy, and fun. no emulsions so far, and I'm about to decant my first pull.

[Shadowlord]

Originally Posted by StheNC

I'm following this tek RIGHT NOW but for just 1/4 pound of bark. Its easy, and fun. no emulsions so far, and I'm about to decant my first pull.

Best of Luck to you Friend.
I had incredible luck w/ Mesc at first.
DMT extractions worked but not as well as first.
But after doing a few it is like a light bulb comes on and it is easy as pie from that point. Like anything else I guess. The more practice/exp you have the easier things are and the better you are prepared for problems.

But it sounds like you are well on your way.
Do a freeze Precip on your Naptha ( after you reduce it by half or more ) I have found that I get much better results that way as evapping solvent has often left me w/ yellow oil/goo that I had to work and learn about ReX ing to get it right. But after all that it is easy as can be now.
SO good luck StheNC!

[StheNC]

I have over a gram from my first pull, freeze precipped. Beautiful almost pure white DMT. I have pulls two and three in the freeze right now, gonna sit over night. First pull was only in the freeze for 4 hours and yielded over a gram, second freeze looks like it will be comparable in weight or better. This stuff is clean as a whistle, no harsh burn. Plasticky, but real smooth.

And HOLY SHIT what a ride.

I took lots of pictures, so look for a new thread detailing my adventures. Everything from the process, to the yield, to the trip, far exceeded my expectations.

I'm a changed man.

I've been doing high dose psychedelics for more than twenty years, and I'm having a hard time putting what happened tonight into any kind of context that will allow me share the experience.

I'm very tired right now, but in the next day or two, check Storming the Gates for the write-up on the bioassay.

Thanks to everyone here who was so helpful, and who contributed so much to the amazing knowledge base here on 'Topia.

You helped me open a door, and I've taken just a peek at the vast expanse on the other side.

[bbd2]

Originally Posted by StheNC

... I'm having a hard time putting what happened tonight into any kind of context that will allow me share the experience ...

thats what we like to hear

[BGB]

Originally Posted by bbd2

thats what we like to hear

Thats right, wow is all I can say about spice, love it love it love it!!!

[riseabovethought]

First of all thanks for the awesome work here. Going for my first with your guidance.

Question- Can I really bake baking soda in the oven at 400 degrees for an hour to get sodium carbonate? and use this in place of the ph plus? gonna try...

[kcmoxtractor]

Yup.

[Mr. Kush]

so was the re-x done with the batch in the picture?
If so do you remember the before and after weight?

[usagolden]

I used whatcha's tek
yield on 800 grams of bark was 11.6 grams
i probably will not be re-xing
as it is fairly pale already

big fan of this tek

[whatchamacallit]

Originally Posted by riseabovethought

First of all thanks for the awesome work here. Going for my first with your guidance.

Question- Can I really bake baking soda in the oven at 400 degrees for an hour to get sodium carbonate? and use this in place of the ph plus? gonna try...

Yes.

[kcmoxtractor]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kush

so was the re-x done with the batch in the picture?
If so do you remember the before and after weight?

Yeah, I re-x'd that batch. I don't remember what the weight was though it was several months ago and I don't normally keep records.

[Joesyn]

Just finished the whole process over the weekend, is it suppose to look like brown sugar when it is all done?

[whatchamacallit]

Shouldn't be brown, really. Perhaps you got some sludge in with your solvent? SWIM has seen from yellow to orange, but not really brown.

[StheNC]

Originally Posted by Joesyn

Just finished the whole process over the weekend, is it suppose to look like brown sugar when it is all done?

I'd do something to clean that up before you smoke it. Doesn't sound right to me.

[Joesyn]

Here's a picture.
After I took it out of the freezer and cut the top of the jug off, it look identical to your picture, color wise...
I made sure to not get any sludge in, I even transferred it a few times to make sure.
Hmmm, I even found the same brand materials as the picture :P

[kcmoxtractor]

Did you do a polar wash and epsom salt dry before you freeze precipitated?

[Thre365ive]

Instead of decanting, I like to use an aspirator bottle to siphon the solvent off. Basically, you get a bottle (I like using a 1L water bottle) and about 8 inches of aquarium tubing. Make a hole in the cap of the bottle just big enough so that the tubing fits very snugly, but isnt pinched. Then close it up, squeeze it and hold it there. Put the tip of the tubing at the place where your fractions meet and slowly start to let go of the vacuum in the bottle. Your solvent should siphon right up. If youre worried about that last little bit of solvent, you can just decant it off like in the TEK. I usually just do enough pulls so that it doesnt matter.

[LotRev]

That actually looks pretty good.

Something went amiss, perhaps it was the bark itself.

That being said....I bet that's some potent DMT. It looks a lot
like something that evapped in my first pie plate...which sent me
on a ride that is yet to be rivalled.

Honestly, we don't know what is all in that brown crystal there,
but if you really did the steps and did them correctly, I would try
a small amount of that stuff. It looks as though you may have pulled
extra alkaloids. My guess is it's some strong spice, with a possible
jungle side kick.

[mullugh]

Naphtha - where does one get it and what is it usually used for?

[Shadowlord]

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[SpiritMolecule]

Yeah that spice looks like itll rock you. Ive had it look kinda like that before, with some gooey ear-wax mixed w crystal, and lemme tell y'all, the first toke, and I DROPPED THE PIPE. I got so much of that vapor at once that it kicked in in less than 5 seconds and HARD. I left the pipe on the floor thinking "fuck it", and tried to lay back and draw the covers over me. No good, the thing was too complicated and dropped the blanket and collapsed into trance. Full breakthrough and I didnt re-encorporate and open my eyes for 10 full minutes. Almost a 12 minute afterglow, too. Wild shit, Ill never reX again (unless Im trying to grow 99% pure crystals).