Poppy Tea ...is every other day enough

[peacegrow]

I've been enjoying poppy pod tea, but I'm trying to keep in check so they don't get the best of me.

If I have it every other day is there still a strong potential for addiction.

Should I wait longer to be safe?

[EmmisonJ]

i guess it depends on what you mean by addiction, just trying to stay away from withdrawals? it's a tricky thing because i'd say most people can easily be lured into doing it more often than they initially set out for. the more long-term you do it the greater the likelihood of you becoming more frequent in your doses.

everybody's different but i'd say don't venture more than once per month. most would probably say once per week but that's frequent enough that you'll eventually start breaking your own rules by squeezing in a dose here and there because of whatever reason you tell yourself. but that's just my .02

[spacecake]

Yes,it's not wise to use it that often..,not healthy for the body either.

[masterplain88]

dont know so much about tea but heroin if you do it for like 3-4 days straight and stop you might feel a lil sweety in your sleep for one night.but any more than 2 a week then you will start to fell wd just not as dab asif you did it everyday. as i said have never done tea would love to this is all based on heroin wich i would say is pretty accurate.
peace,
masterplain88

[ShroomGuerilla]

ate ground up pod-yogurt for two months
back in the opiate days.
Stopped when i puked up blood one day....

I suggest doing it only once and awhile.

[doodaa man]

It's easy to get addicted. Once you feel the withdrawls, only one thing makes them, it "the sickness" go away ! That is to do more. then you are only putting off the enevitable.
Also remember. the more often you do it, the more it will take to get where you want to be. As said above. Less often is better ! Don't build up a tolerance. Every other day is way too much if you don't want to get addicted bro. As EJ said. It will sneek up on ya ! Respect it .
Peace !

[whatchamacallit]

When using poppy tea with regularity, it takes about 48-72 hours for full withdrawal to kick in, so if you have used it every other day for any length of time, you probably definitely have a mild physical addiction. Any more than every week, will probably cause some withdrawal symptoms, and it is a very slippery slope once it becomes a habit.

Best bet is to enjoy it once a month at most, and then one can get a full high with a relatively low dose, and can avoid any physical addiction. It takes 3-5 days for opiates to leave the system, so waiting at least 5 days should help keep ones tolerance lower, but one may still get some minor physical withdrawal symptoms if they use it every 5 days for any length of time..

[floppypeter]

IMHO any more than once every 5 days and you will be building up a tolerance and a physical dependence.

Pods have a big potential for addiction and abuse

That said, i do enjoy them and I find them useful.

[peacegrow]

Thanks everyone for helping me out.

When I think about it, I kind of knew what everyone would say, but just needed to hear it.

It is really nice tea, but I guess I need to stop now for a while. I just got them Saturday, and probably did it three-four days....too many times. I feel fine, doubt there's anything physical, but I do really have an urge to go for more.

[BuckarooBanzai]

Stop for 96 hours straight.

That will let you know what time it is.

[Jawn]

There's something to be said for metacognition. Nobody knows what you can do as much as you know.

Buck's got exactly the right idea; stop for a while.

Examine what your head does for the next couple days, and use that to make your next schedule. If you're thinking about doing it all the time, you've been doing it too much.

[Ferretious]

I used to get a batch once every few months. Enough for three doses. I would have those three doses spread out over one week. Loved it!
Only the next week for the whole week I would slip into depression.
No physical symptoms but definitley mental. That was bad enough!
Ferretious

[greenmeanie]

Wondering about a similar question myself since this weekend.

On saturday I was in a motorcycle accident and broke my right femur. For chicks, the story is I was trying to jump my Harley over a drawbridge... the real story's a bit more lame. I was just riding a little 50cc scooter at like 25mph around a corner, hit some gravel, and slid into a parked car.

Anyway, they prescribed me 150 little 5mg oxycodone pills, and told me to take 1-3 of them every 3-6 hours for pain, then plan to taper and stop. Thankfully the pain is very mild and I can control it with one little 5mg and some acetaminophen. During the day I don't need it more often than every six hours, as long as I keep mobile. But at night it's different. I take one oxy before bed and fall asleep within a few minutes. However I wake up without fail exactly three hours later and take another one to fall asleep again. Something about lying down for an extended period of time just makes my whole body ache at night.

What kind of dependence am I looking at after taking 5mg about four times daily for several weeks? I'm concerned about the "taper and stop" part >.<

[whatchamacallit]

Probably have minimal withdrawal symptoms, like goosebumps, sneezing, and more loose bowels, but if only a few weeks, it's best to start tapering now, and quit ASAP, because it will only get worse if you prolong it. Try not taking any pills for a day or two, and you'll begin to see how bad withdrawal you'll get.

Many times, people without a habit can quit relatively easy, after just a few weeks, but some minor physical or mental symptoms may occur. Only way to know for sure is to not take them for 3-5 days or so to see how bad the withdrawal will get.

[BuckarooBanzai]

5mg of Oxycontin four times a day for several weeks WILL leave you with an addiction. Nothing toxic, but you are gonna have a monkey as a new friend.

When your Dr. warns you about tapering off slowly, that is a major sign he KNOWS you are going to have problems stopping. Again, not end of your life problems, but problems none the less.

The quicker you get off Oxycontin, the easier getting off of it will be. The longer you wait, the sharper Mr. Monkey's fangs in your shoulder become.

Start tapering off as soon as you can handle it and, be aware, that means dealing with some pain.

[EmmisonJ]

many years ago i started out with legit 5mg oxycontin prescribed for pain and used it as needed. i enjoyed the buzz quite a bit and long story short it ended up leading to a year long oxy habit with snorting the 40's and 80's which are a far cry from what i was doing before. i made a horrible mistake of crossing the line between it being a useful tool to get through the day to a good buzz. then eventually it became even more necessary for me to find it just to make it through the day. it almost cost me everything but i eventually did drop that shit altogether. about 1-2 years later i dabbled with hydrocodones and percocets a little here and there since then did not allow myself to play with hard opiates anymore and had a clear-cut line i do not cross (ie: do not take more than * a day and do not have an "opiate day" more than once per *). i haven't had any prescription opiates at all this year and have substituted it with kratom, which i follow similar guidelines when using.

i love all opiates, some more than others but i love them all. i found that out the hard way. it just depends on how big you are into opiates i guess. but for me, i have to make rules before using them and give myself a hard cut-off as to not break the rules. your mileage may vary, travel cautiously... it's when you trustingly turn your back on them that they grab you.

[Stonehenge]

Wow, i'm not that big into it, i like the poppy buzz but it gives me nausea so i seldom use it. But i figure if i grow my own i can't get hooked because i'll run out before then.

Sounds scary but benzo withdrawal sounds much worse.

[whatchamacallit]

Originally Posted by Stonehenge

Wow, i'm not that big into it, i like the poppy buzz but it gives me nausea so i seldom use it. But i figure if i grow my own i can't get hooked because i'll run out before then.

Sounds scary but benzo withdrawal sounds much worse.

It quickly becomes easy to order a box when one runs out, so still use guidelines similar to EJ's , if you don't wanna have to deal with withdrawal.

[Mushrooms201]

About taking 5mg when you need it, you should be fine. I know that it goes against many experienced people here but it has been shown in a number of studies that if used only for pain control and in amounts that just control pain that they are non addictive. This is not to say that your body cannot become dependent on them if used often or over long periods of time. The best bet if you want to be the safest in to try other things first such as Tylenol, elevation, heat and cold and then use small amounts as needed. If you ever feel high or something similar then you are not in the therapeutic range, cut down.

I am fairly confident with this advice, as I myself had suffered from chronic pain for years and have worked with hundreds of people that have been prescribed similar meds.

I know that it is ideal to provide sources for information such as this, but I am confident that it is generally accepted to a large degree in the medical field. If anyone has trouble finding info please feel free to let me know.

Thank you
(steps off of soap box)

[whatchamacallit]

Originally Posted by Mushrooms201

About taking 5mg when you need it, you should be fine. I know that it goes against many experienced people here but it has been shown in a number of studies that if used only for pain control and in amounts that just control pain that they are non addictive. This is not to say that your body cannot become dependent on them if used often or over long periods of time. The best bet if you want to be the safest in to try other things first such as Tylenol, elevation, heat and cold and then use small amounts as needed. If you ever feel high or something similar then you are not in the therapeutic range, cut down.

I am fairly confident with this advice, as I myself had suffered from chronic pain for years and have worked with hundreds of people that have been prescribed similar meds.

I know that it is ideal to provide sources for information such as this, but I am confident that it is generally accepted to a large degree in the medical field. If anyone has trouble finding info please feel free to let me know.

Thank you
(steps off of soap box)

SWIM was on a methadone program with a whole lot of people who were also on methadone maintenance because they got addicted to their prescribed medicines, in the dose recommended by their doctors. Having pain doesn't stop the way opiates/opioids work on the system. Very simply, if one introduces foreign endorphins (the receptor that opiates mimic), then their body will stop producing as many of it's own endorphins, and will look for this artificial supplement when the meds are discontinued. This is what causes withdrawal.

Even a dose used for pain, if used for an extended period, or steadily for more than a week or two, will begin to develop a tolerance, and mild dependence. Not everyone will become addicted, but many can and will experience some physical and mental withdrawal when discontinuing opiates after an extended period of use.

So many people think that using the medicines as prescribed by doctors will not make them develop a habit, and detox/rehab/methadone maintenance programs are full of people like this. If one doesn't believe me, try going to one. SWIM has been through 7 clinical detoxes, and years of methadone maintenance, before using iboga and getting clean.

[Fly on the Wall]

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

SWIM was on a methadone program with a whole lot of people who were also on methadone maintenance because they got addicted to their prescribed medicines, in the dose recommended by their doctors. Having pain doesn't stop the way opiates/opioids work on the system. Very simply, if one introduces foreign endorphins (the receptor that opiates mimic), then their body will stop producing as many of it's own endorphins, and will look for this artificial supplement when the meds are discontinued. This is what causes withdrawal.

Even a dose used for pain, if used for an extended period, or steadily for more than a week or two, will begin to develop a tolerance, and mild dependence. Not everyone will become addicted, but many can and will experience some physical and mental withdrawal when discontinuing opiates after an extended period of use.

So many people think that using the medicines as prescribed by doctors will not make them develop a habit, and detox/rehab/methadone maintenance programs are full of people like this. If one doesn't believe me, try going to one. SWIM has been through 7 clinical detoxes, and years of methadone maintenance, before using iboga and getting clean.

True indeed. Addiction is treated as a side effect by a pain management specialist, which is at least better treatment than you'll get from a general practitioner or god forbid the pharmacy. I've seen people with drug-seeking behavior subject to all kinds of hassle from pharmacy employees, when they're only in that position because of a work-related injury or debilitating disease. Sad.

[rocketman]

Not trying to be a wiseass<----my disclaimer


Ever notice most folks dont ask these questions before they ever dose the tea? Just an observation, I dont take the situation lightly in any way. Been there and done that....probably there again.

[Stonehenge]

I agree totally with m201. Yes it's true you can get hooked using the amounts prescribed by a doc. But if you use it only for pain and just barely enough it should not be a problem. I had surgery a few years back and had something prescribed, cant recall what it was. I took what the label said and it didn't do the job so i took more. After a few weeks i saw the doc and told him how many i was taking and he gasped. You were supposed to take no more than 4 a day and i was taking 8 or 9. But as the pain went down i took less and less and then quit. I never had the slightest wd at all. But i didn't take it to get high.

[Fly on the Wall]

It's also important to consider that these things tend to be genetic. My dad and I have compared stories and for whatever reason exhibited preferences for the same substances in our youths. A friend of mine found out after checking into rehab for cocaine that his dad had also been addicted to coke years back.

[vwguy]

Originally Posted by greenmeanie

What kind of dependence am I looking at after taking 5mg about four times daily for several weeks? I'm concerned about the "taper and stop" part >.<

I wouldnt worry so much about the oxy's you should be fine as long as your not abusing them like snorting cruching, then you know your in trouble. My dad got some stronger oxys when they cut his stomach open and he ate a few and was fine once he healed. I wouldnt worry about addiction of those. Just worry about not being in pain. Try sitting up alittle maybe that will help when you sleep

[whatchamacallit]

I don't think it's so important that they are only used for pain, as is the doages and duration of time taken. As stated, SWIM has met numbers of people who had an injury, were prescribed pain meds, and developed a habit, using the doctors recommended dosage guidelines. Some people may be able to tough out the withdrawal when quitting after an extended period, but that isn't always the case.

It seems the ratio of addicts to the overall population seems to stay pretty close (from statistics I have found), which would mean, perhaps, that a certain part of the population just has an aversion to addiction. Many people try opiates and don't like them or don't find them all that wonderful. These types of people will not generally become addicted, however, out of all the people prescribed, there are a good number of them that have trouble dealing with the painful physical and mental withdrawal, and they very easily become addicts, even when they were just using the doctor's recommendation on drugs and dosage.

[rocketman]

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

I don't think it's so important that they are only used for pain, as is the doages and duration of time taken. As stated, SWIM has met numbers of people who had an injury, were prescribed pain meds, and developed a habit, using the doctors recommended dosage guidelines.
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Yessir! I am one, and my father after taking hydros for a month after his surgery became dependant. He couldnt sleep without taking one. I had to teach my father, who never took anything except allergy meds before how to get through opiate withdrawel.

His was minor and took 3 nights of dosing with benedryl and xanax but he got off comfortably, unconcious but comfy

[tenjin]

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

SWIM was on a methadone program with a whole lot of people who were also on methadone maintenance because they got addicted to their prescribed medicines, in the dose recommended by their doctors. Having pain doesn't stop the way opiates/opioids work on the system. Very simply, if one introduces foreign endorphins (the receptor that opiates mimic), then their body will stop producing as many of it's own endorphins, and will look for this artificial supplement when the meds are discontinued. This is what causes withdrawal.

Even a dose used for pain, if used for an extended period, or steadily for more than a week or two, will begin to develop a tolerance, and mild dependence. Not everyone will become addicted, but many can and will experience some physical and mental withdrawal when discontinuing opiates after an extended period of use.

So many people think that using the medicines as prescribed by doctors will not make them develop a habit, and detox/rehab/methadone maintenance programs are full of people like this. If one doesn't believe me, try going to one. SWIM has been through 7 clinical detoxes, and years of methadone maintenance, before using iboga and getting clean.

Yes this is true, many years ago SWIM was in a methadone treatment program and probably over half of the people that were there was from prescription medication for a past injury of some kind. SWIM was there for heroin and was a black sheep in the methadone clinic, compared to all the people there for pills. It seems some people have worse WD symptoms than other people using the same amount of opiates. I think some people are more sensitive to the withdrawls because of body chemistry and what not. Some people can tough it out while others end up at the methadone clinic. For some people, they don't believe it will happen to them or haven't experienced bad withdrawls enough to believe in addiction but eventually the longer they use they find out at the end of it all.

[Shamsu]

If you are using poppy tea at recreational doses more than twice a week you will most likely experience withdrwal symptoms. Maybe not right away but after a week or 2 of tea every other day you will definitly have crazings and i will start to take over your thoughts. I have had a love affair with the poppy for 7 yrs now and i still get myself into trouble with the WDs, but i also have to take 10-15 pods to get off.
I guess all i can say is becarefull, YMMV, but opiets allways win in the end. they are a life time partner once you start.

[dice]

Yeah with the pod tea I def wouldnt have it more than once a month.
IMO anymore than that might get worse. See some say once a week is fine,
but I bet within a month they would be to 2 times a week and so on so on.
As for doc prescribed pain meds im one that suffered a sever back injury
the nerve is severlly damaged, and have chronic serious pain from my back down my leg to my toes everything from pain like a red hot sword shoved
from my ass cheek straight down my leg to my foot, to numbness like the leg just goes numb not even there norm just like half my leg is numb, then the burning comes all dif parts of my leg burn at random times random
spots. Anyways happened jan,10,08 started taking 5'sand within 2 weeks
put on 10mg percs 2 of them every 3 or 4 hours did that for months
still had horrible pain just didnt want to take oxycontin.
So ended up taking like 14 pills a day for months and that was percs with
the cut in it the apap shit So that was like 4550mg of tylenol a day
My doc told me for months I should take the oc cause it was better for my
liver, ended up listening to him and took 2 80mg oc a day.
Honestly thats the only med that actually helped with the pain made my
life bareble and I do somethings again I couldnt for a year.
Well ran outta meds 4 days early one time for some reason.
Didnt think id have wds cause I take them for pain well I was wrong.
I couldnt sleep for 4 days I was sicker than ever thought I was dieing
vomitting the squirts sweating like a pic and on top of that I was in horrible for not haveing meds lol. So knew I couldnt be like that ever again
the longer id wait the worse it would be went to my doc and got setup for
detox and rehab. Off I went that same day Detox took a month to get me
totally right and then 3 months for the rehab part. I now take the 10mg percs again but only 1or2 every 4to6 hours and I try and keep my shit
right this time card go through that again. So just take our advice we have been there a strong opiate addiction is not something you want
ITS JUST NOT