Mescaline Extraction Log with pictures

[pellefantus]

Hello!

This is my first post and I found this forum to be one of the one with the best extraction examples around so I decided to join. I followed some posts in the Vault about IPA extraction and here is my progress so far.

I decided to get my first psychadelic experience a few weeks ago, and of all the substances Mescaline was chosen
I wont linger into the details on why but the set & setting is set by doing it during a chore-free weekend with a sitter. I even read the book The psychedelic experience by Timothy Leary. So its on!

Guides followed:
http://forums.mycotopia.net/mescalin...ch-cactus.html (Alcohol Extraction on Peruvian Torch Cactus)
http://forums.mycotopia.net/mescalin...mescaline.html (Everclear 'Pedro extraction? [ethanol mescaline])

Substances:
1L 99,5% Isopropanol
100g dried peruvian torch powder from FV

Equipment:
As you can see I tried to use a mouth protector for the IPA gasses and eye protection in case of.
I also used a pump for a soap bottle to do the separation of the liquids.

Pulls
The first pulls are darker as you can see on pictures 2-4. I did 3 pulls total, filling up the jar with 1/3 of a Litre, shaking it and I had each mixture standing around approximatley 3 days.
Then I pumped everything into another canister, making sure no cacti powder was following with, but now I have soaked cacti powder that I dont know what I need to do with... I just wanna get the goodies in order to not get nausea.

Final
In the end I placed everything in a baking dish and put it outside. I put a "net" on it to protect the contents from debris and lets see whats left tomorrow!


I do have a big question though: what a good first time dose? Since I havent tried anything stronger than cannabis, I tried to check up on dosages and everybody says something different. If I have 100grams of dried powder, and 50 grams seems as a "normal" dose on this forum, should I go with 30-40 to make it a smoother first-time experience. It seems 20 grams is too small according to : http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=406377. According to http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mescaline/mescaline_dose.shtml 200-300mg is a normal dose and if I count that my powder is 1% mescaline == 1000mg which would mean that a third = 333mg would be a nice dose.

I do have access to a digital scale but it just measures 0,1grams precision.

[Om shanti]

Interesting! Looking forward to hearing what yield you end up with.

And welcome to Mycotopia BTW!!

I don't know about dosage, it depends on one's temper. I'd go with the low dose you suggested, but I'm sure there are others here who will tell you to take 50 or more.

[roc]

One nice dose for an old guy like me...

Just do it!

[whatchamacallit]

SWIM would suggest taking 1/3 and waiting about 2 hours, if it is not enough, then one could take more.. Mescaline can take a long time to kick in, almost 3 hours to fully kick in sometimes, but it is a very smooth ride compared to mushrooms or LSD in higher doses. However, if cannabis has been your only other experience, 3-500 mgs would probably be enough to get a full experience, but to not go too far for the first ride.. For SWIM 1-1.5 g of mescaline is where he starts to really trip strong, so there is a lot of leeway between threshold and strong. 500 mgs might be just enough for you, but just in case you are extra sensitive, 1/3 could be sampled, then the next try one could double it if it wasn't enough..

[Fly on the Wall]

Your end product is not pure mescaline. It's a bunch of alkaloids in whatever cactus goo was extracted by the alcohol. The best way to dose would be to take the average yield from the cactus (1-2%) and apply that math to your yield. So your end product could contain 1-2 grams of mescaline depending on potency and extraction efficiency, meaning you could have around 4-8 x 250mg doses there. Divide your yield by the number of possible doses, and start there. You can always take more if you want, but it's another thing to try and come down if you're tripping too hard.

[pellefantus]

I would need some advice here, when I checked it today 24hrs after there is almost as much IPA left as yesterday. It was 6 C = 42 F this night and mabye its the cold weather thats doing it?
Is there a way to get it done in 24h? Like putting it inside (but does it smell my apartement down?) or using a hairdrier? or putting it on the oven, but on what heat setting?

[Diacetyl-M]

Nice job so far.... I have used a hairdryer to reduce solvents in the past with good success.... however be VERY careful to not get the hairdryer too close as sparks could ignite the vapor. If you can I would do it outside, and under no cricumstances put it in the oven, as I have spoken to a few people who had explosions doing this. With isopropyl alcohol I find that the smell is not too bad, and udually just let it evap inside.

[Thre365ive]

You could always put it on a double boiler and have a fan blowing over it, then another one blowing out a window. One blowing in one window and one blowing out another window in the same room would be ideal. Just whatever you do, if you're using heat, make sure that the room is well ventilated.

One other thing about IPA mescaline extractions - mescaline is a freebase in the plant. The freebase happens to be a caustic oil. This means your resulting tar will be somewhat goopy no matter what you do. If you add a little strained lime or lemon juice, it'll convert into the citrate which is a lot easier to work with.

[kcmoxtractor]

Can't it be cleaned up pretty easily after being converted to citrate?

[whatchamacallit]

Do not heat it with anything that has a flame or possible spark, even with a double boiler as the alcohol will pour down over the sides of the pot and catch fire. If one has an electric hotplate, they could heat it gently, and have a fan blowing over the top of it, and this would probably be the quickest way. By having a fan blowing on it so you can see ripples strongly in the IPA, it should evaporate very quickly, even without heat.

[Thre365ive]

Originally Posted by kcmoxtractor

Can't it be cleaned up pretty easily after being converted to citrate?

In theory, yeah.

Hell, just dissolving the resultant tar in some hot water and filtering the insolubles then evaporating will leave you some brown, sticky crystals. A little MEK should clean it up nicely. Or you could always keep the crystals in an aqueous solution. Should be able to have a dose at around a shot of liquid.

[Jawn]

The thing you need to remember with evaporating alcohols or other volatile chemicals is the more surface area exposed, the faster the evaporation.

Pouring it into a wider mouth container (like a cooking pot), will speed it up.
A baking sheet, even more.

I've evapped huge amounts of the stuff in less than a day by pouring it onto 2 cookie sheets and leaving a fan running over it.

Good luck.

::EDIT:: didn't see you put it onto a baking sheet. To speed it up, you might try splitting it between 2 of them.

[pellefantus]

Hello everyone, I had the IPA outside for 2 days and mabye 50%
evaporated, so I put a hairdryer to it and voilá everything
evaporated in like 2 hours! It doesnt look like much and it got a
cacti smell (No alcohol smell at all) and I scraped it up with a
razor blade.

It was a very very sticky tar, but when I put the tar into the freezer it was easy to cut it up to three pieces but the pieces were 0,6 0,6 and 1,1 grams. I got some tar on my fingers and tasted it. It tasted very bad, it had a slight chemical/metallic taste to it. But it does not smell of IPA at all so I guess its safe to swallow, but I hope I can swallow the piece without it getting stuck in my throat



Before scraping:


After/during scraping:

Final weight:

[pellefantus]

Well I tested the extract by eating the tar. I just ate a light breakfeast and waited for 7hours until taking the Mescaline tar.

At T=0 hours I took 1/3 of the tar and waited, I did not feel anything at all and at T=2,5 I took another 1/3 and at T=3,5 I took the last, having now ingested everything.

The most trippy experience I got with the mescaline was at T=4-5 hours and it allowed me to relax completley, and a feeling of floating on the bed while listening to music.

At T=6 I tried smoking some strong weed and after just 2 bong hits I wanted to give the trippy feeling another try. So I got into a dark room, put some trance in my mp3player and relaxed completley. And wow I actually got close eyed visuals for the first time. It was cool as hell! So I was just riding along on the wave and following the crazy visions and thoughts.

When I was attending to my friend who smoked a tad too much I was feeling very normal, but when I closed my eyes and relaxed I saw cool visions and had a great body buzz, at one point I remember thinking it felt like a mental orgasm.

I did this until T=9 and then got so tired so I went to sleep, today the day after I am tired as hell, being sleepy and with no energy to do anything, which I guess is a cannabis thing.

I would like to say I was enjoying the experience and had a great trip even though I didnt achieve it with only mescaline. And I used upp everything. That shit was going to last for 3 trips, so mabye I bought some bad powder? I bought from this place:
http://flowingvisions.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=5014671
Has anyone had experiences from them before? What webshops can you recommend?

Anyways since I knew cannabis was going to enhance the experience smoking weed did the trick.

I could also have done something wrong in my TEK. The 3 pitfalls are:

1. I only used 1Litre of IPA and with 3 pulls, and I would have needed more pulls since the color was light green not transparent.
2. The jar was too small or I didnt shake it enough making the IPA not penetrating the cacti powder
3. To minimize eventual nausea I did not filter the cacti powder+IPA from the last pull with a coffee filter but just did the separation and threw away the IPA-soaked powder that was left.

Since I have calculated that the costs of achieving the chemicals for doing an A/B extraction would be many times the cost of doing an alcohol extraction I think alcohol extraction is the way to go for me. Or are there other benefits to A/B extraction than that the crystals look nicer and take up less space?

My next plan will be to try to use more IPA even if it is more expensive and use a bigger jar and mabye build/get a machine that stirrs the jar contents and some gel capsules.

[whatchamacallit]

SWIM prefers crystals for more accurate dosing, and to reduce nausea greatly. The ingredients needed for one extraction can all be had for under $50 with the most expensive part being the cacti. In this thread: http://forums.mycotopia.net/general-...tml#post727897 (So, Shrooms or Cactus???) last post, SWIM mentions the prices of the ingredients needed to perform the extraction and cleaning.

[kcmoxtractor]

We have files for a DIY stir plate here at Mycotopia, look in the liquid culture section in the vaults or search for stir bar. 100g of torch would only be about one good experience. You threw away your cactus after extracting?