Cactus potency question

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Swim was gonna order some Trichocereus bridgesii powder to either make tea out of or encapsulate but there out of stock, if he buys Trichocereus pachanoi powder instead, will there be a large difference in potency? Should he wait for the bridgesii to get restocked?

[Skizsm420]

I'd recommend checking out this thread(http://forums.mycotopia.net/botanica...ea-method.html). There's some info about the difference in potency(which is pretty huge from my limited experience). Try BBB, they were in stock last I checked.

[slummunky]

Others on here will probably kick me for saying this but... Im not so sure my self that bridgesii is that much more potent that torch... there I said it I know Ill hear from Irish on that comment. But it is a stronger trip I think due to the MAOI found in it. I personal think that's what makes the difference. I have a sensitive stomach so bridgesii tea kicks my ass I spend more time dealing with discomfort that having a good time. But that's me, you may be different. So to answer your question I like torch its still a good cacti if you have a good vendor. Have fun!!

[Skizsm420]

I've only tried Bridgesii & Pachanoi and it seemed like an almost completely different experience. Never tried the torch tho, I'm still very much learning about the magical cacti. I can definately say the nausea was worse per oz of consumed cactii with bridgesii, but the difference in potency seemed greater. I guess it also could've been weak SP but I doubt it made THAT much difference.

[slummunky]

Dont get me wrong bridgesii is way stronger than Pedro and way different, like I said the MAOI changes the whole trip just like eating a MAOI and shrooms it changes everything! Im not saying bridgesii is weak by any means just not enough of a difference for me to deal with the nausea. If you get good torch its a good time!

[Skizsm420]

Hmm, maybe I'll have to give it a try. I've never mixed MAOI's with anything. Even tho my SP experience was much less intense, I'd be lying if I said it didn't feel more positive. I just assumed that was because I didn't quite expect it to be that strong(I took a pretty small dose at first just to get an idea and it had a MUCH greater effect than the 18" of SP I consumed). I know this probably isn't an easy question to answer, but how would you say the high is different on the torch? The Bridgesii kindof made me think of 'neutral madness' I didn't feel positive or negative just out of my head. With some really interesting visuals. I just had such a hard time focusing on anything long enough to really think. The SP almost felt like I had taken some X with a little more trippiness to it and was much more clear-minded(possibly also due to less potency I dunno). Either way I'm definitely a Trich fan.

[slummunky]

Thats exactly how I feel like I took X and trip, I think torch is just stronger than pedro and they also have different alkaloids so they also have a different trip. I dont know I guess it all depends on whos taking it and what you like.

[Skizsm420]

That's cool. I'll have to get some Torch next go-round then and see. Then I will have tried the 3 prime suspects and pick a favorite from there. From all the reports I've read it's obvious that it affects everyone differently like all drugs.
I'm glad I found this forum, I've learned more on here in a week than pretty much the entire time I've been searching the web for info about this type of thing.

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Originally Posted by Skizsm420

I'm glad I found this forum, I've learned more on here in a week than pretty much the entire time I've been searching the web for info about this type of thing.

same here dude, i love this forum

[Skizsm420]

Now I just have to find a good source for the torch. Seems like the source I've been using doesn't have my options for that particular cacti.

[Irishlion]

well slum we all have our preferences brother, mine of course is bridgesii, if yours is torch then by all means get er done LOL. But, slum is right, the Natural maois present in bridgesii makes for alot more intense expereince, But, honestly, like loph williamsii its the other alkaloids that accompany the mescaline that make for such a intense experience.

Now if one was to grow torch and bridgesii from seed in the exact same conditions would bridgesii have more mescaline upon say a 12 inch extraction than torch well thats extremly hard to say as plant genetics come into play and cactus size and akaliod porduction is the main factor of said genetics, Per cappi the concensis is that bridgesii does produce more mescaline but, there again we could argue this all day, one extraction could prove yes, one could prove no, so you would have to take many extractions of each all grown from seed in the exact same conditions and then take the amount of mescaline from all extractions on both sides to actually prove this and this would take ALOT of time hence why no one has really done it, too many varibles in genetics alone.

So, We know that bridgesii has more alkaloids than torch. Hence, it being stronger, but, does bridgesii actually produce more mescaline than torch or pedro for that matter, well pedro YES, torch umm not so sure its really hard to say. But, when alkaliod profiles come into play YES bridgesii is considerablly stronger than torch, although torch can be wickly strong in its own right and can scare the shit out of you all the same, just like bridgesii and williamsii can.

Enviromental stressors and plant genetics are the greatest factors, here. Lets say we take a few good cactus cuttings from torch and from bridgesii, 4 knownly very good cactus for producing mescaline as well as other accomping alkaliods, 2 of torch and 2 of bridgesii, the 2 torch cuttings being from the same knowingly good cactus and same with the bridge, we plant one torch and one bridgesii in texas, and we plant one torch and bridgesii in austrialia, which 2 after say 10 years would be stronger cacti, well honestly I would say it would be the ones planted in aussie, as the stressing conditions in australia would be better than the ones in texas, but, again weather patterns and whatnot come into play for those 10 years and amounts of rain and such, how much sunlight did they recieve? Were the planted in the shade? How much water? How much lack of water? These are all natural stressors for cacti. So with all things being equal and normal climate considered the cactus grown in aussie would produce more alkaliods in responce to aussies more harsh climate, hence why the elieen Var. of bridgesii is stonger than the bolvian grown bridgesii, honestly I don't think that the elieen is a var at all, I think its nothing more than a bolivian cutting that made its way to aussie and was plated and probally forgotten about and later rediscovered and named the "elieen var". Same cactus just for many generations it learned to adapt to australias more harsh climate so therefore in general is stronger.

See cactus produces alkaliods as a natural responce to external stimuli, I.E. Evniromental stressors. Mescaline is produced for a cactus's immune system while the other alkaliods are produced to protect the cactus from certain stressors, we don't know what alkaliods are produced in responce to what stressor, we just know that the cactus does produce these alkaliods in responce to stressors.

So the point of this lil rant is that, while torch and bridgesii are both great mescaline producing cacti per cappi bridgesii is said to produce more mescaline. BUT, its also bridgesii's other alkaliods that makes it so much stronger, hence why I says Don't extract from bridgesii, tea it or eat it. Extract from torch as its a great mescaline producing cactus as well, providing you can find real true torch and not some worhtless KK242 or Trichocereus Cuzcoensis, as its a torch look alike and was sadly misabled as a torch and is now so damn mixed up in this mess that unless you know your cacti you can get fucked on trying to buy "torch", Hence, The reason we go with bridgesii so much as we know the genetics are pure and true and Bridgesii when its spines are grown out is unmistakeable, There is nothing better than a Good strong Bridgesii tea IMHO.

So when choosing torch or bridgesii alot of factors come into play, My fav is bridgesii but, others might say torch, I will not condemn no one for there preference of what they like, its the ignorance of misinformation that caps my ass.

[slummunky]

You are the master of the Cati as far as I'm concerned, Ive learned so much from you posts. Like you said we are all different and I will bow down to the Achuma it is a bad ass! I just couldn't handle the tummy problems that came with it, I did enjoy it other than that. Oh yeah there are some great non sponsors that provide high quality powder torch

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by slummunky

You are the master of the Cati as far as I'm concerned, Ive learned so much from you posts. Like you said we are all different and I will bow down to the Achuma it is a bad ass! I just couldn't handle the tummy problems that came with it, I did enjoy it other than that. Oh yeah there are some great non sponsors that provide high quality powder torch

not a master my friend, that would be rocketman, atleast IMO. I am just well studied in the ways of cacti. But, thank you all the same. I do appericiate that, I just hope my above post helps to enlighten someone of how a cactus becomes potent and the differentce of alkaliod profiles of certain cacti ya know.

[Ferretious]

Too many variables to form a stable opinion. Kind of makes it exciting when you obtain a new and unknown cactus, will it be worth it? or wont it?
Irishlion, here's one for you. Is the Monstose Bridgesii more potent again due to it's slower growth? Peyote grows slow and is consistently more potent than anything else.
Ferretious

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Ferretious

Too many variables to form a stable opinion. Kind of makes it exciting when you obtain a new and unknown cactus, will it be worth it? or wont it?
Irishlion, here's one for you. Is the Monstose Bridgesii more potent again due to it's slower growth? Peyote grows slow and is consistently more potent than anything else.
Ferretious

Monstrose it approximently 5% more potent than normal bridgesii

[Ferretious]

Originally Posted by Irishlion

Monstrose it approximently 5% more potent than normal bridgesii

O.K. It's 5% more potent. However the million dollar question is, in your opinion, is it due to it's own genetic makeup or, as in my opinion, is it because it is slower growing.(we're getting into all the different variables again, there coud be multiple reasons).
Ferretious

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Ferretious

O.K. It's 5% more potent. However the million dollar question is, in your opinion, is it due to it's own genetic makeup or, as in my opinion, is it because it is slower growing.(we're getting into all the different variables again, there coud be multiple reasons).
Ferretious

Honestly, i think its a lil of both, as with most monstrose there is a abnormal genetic make up (a deformity) which in most cases the monstrose var. produces more alkaliods due to whats believed to be a genetic flaw a natural stressor if you will and as with most slow growing cacti it will produce more alkaliods per cappi because it has more time to produce more because of a slower growth rate, so maybe the combination of the genetic makeup and the slower growth rate causes this cactus to produce more alkaliods. But, in all honesty i am just giving you my hypothesis as I truly don't really know what causes the monstrose to produce more alkaliods but, I do know they do.

With the Trichocereus species there is Alot less akaliods due to the rapid growth of the cactus, hence the akaliods are more spread out though the cactus and in less of a concentration unless of course the cactus is well stressed, but, since like you and I both say that the monstrose grows slower there would be less growth therefore a high concentration of alkaliods per gram of flesh than with any normal trichocereus species.

you take into account that this var. is a genetic flaw, alkaliod production is higher because of this flaw and the slower growth because of this flaw then that would stand to reason that it is IMO both.

[Ferretious]

Originally Posted by Irishlion

Honestly, i think its a lil of both, as with most monstrose there is a abnormal genetic make up (a deformity) which in most cases the monstrose var. produces more alkaliods due to whats believed to be a genetic flaw a natural stressor if you will and as with most slow growing cacti it will produce more alkaliods per cappi because it has more time to produce more because of a slower growth rate, so maybe the combination of the genetic makeup and the slower growth rate causes this cactus to produce more alkaliods. But, in all honesty i am just giving you my hypothesis as I truly don't really know what causes the monstrose to produce more alkaliods but, I do know they do.

With the Trichocereus species there is Alot less akaliods due to the rapid growth of the cactus, hence the akaliods are more spread out though the cactus and in less of a concentration unless of course the cactus is well stressed, but, since like you and I both say that the monstrose grows slower there would be less growth therefore a high concentration of alkaliods per gram of flesh than with any normal trichocereus species.

you take into account that this var. is a genetic flaw, alkaliod production is higher because of this flaw and the slower growth because of this flaw then that would stand to reason that it is IMO both.

Right on Irish!
It was your hypothesis that I wanted. At the end of the day we will never know all the reasons but I feel that it is this sort of discussion that will get us that much closer to understanding these sacraments.
And by posting our thoughts and findings it can only benefit us all!
Kindest regards to everyone
Ferretious

[beautypath]

Well spoken Lion; a hat tip to you.

[Skizsm420]

The other thing that is interesting to me is the difference in the experience. Potency can be made up by increasing dosage. Being a newcomer to the world of cacti what I'm trying to figure out(no better teacher than experience) is the difference in how each one differs in the high that it produces. Had someone else prepared them for me and encapsulated them I would have believed them if they had told me that SP and Bridgesii were completely different substances altogether. I'm just not sure how much of that has to do with potency and how much it has to do with the different alkaloids in each plant. More research is definitely in order lol

[Shroomette]

Okay here is the best way for me to describe the experience I had on the Bridgesii tea (Irishlion broke me in on it) lol. Although, I haven't had the pleasure yet to experience the torch or San Pedro. ( I stress yet) hehe. To me when the body high hits, it's as if someone is kissing you tenderly or a blow in the ear, feeling the cold chills go up your spine and taking your breathe. Like for an example: Say Irishlion gently touches me on the arm well, the sensation is doubled, I guess you would say similar to MDMA. Just my experience and how I feel on the bridgesii. Very interesting to see everyone else's take on the Torch and the San Pedro.

[Skizsm420]

Ok.. It's time again for another experiment with the Trich. I'm planning my next purchase and looking for the best experience possible. My experience so far is 1 mild(in comparison to the bridgesii) pachanoi trip and 2 bridgesii trips. The first bridgesii trip was mild compared to the 2nd, but probably 5 times more intense than the pach. Decent visuals, no attention span, jittery legs etc. The 2nd bridgesii experience was much better. The negative effects were equal to the first, but the trip was much more intense.
Now that I have familiarized myself with the general effects of the trich cacti I'm looking for a more . . profound . . experience. I'd rather not be tripping for 24 hours solid, but I want to "chew the legs off the table" as I've heard a few ppl around here put it.
My dilemma is this. I would like to experiment with the different species(I haven't yet tried P. Torch) if the trip is different. It seems as though there are different alkaloids in each cactus that make them more potent and I understand that bridgesii is the most potent. BUT I am willing to take more torch to make up for that if the experience is better. For example there was a certain "weirdness" to my heavier bridg trip that I could've done without. During what I guess was my peak my thoughts kept becoming wierd sound effects(Sploosh, Plithurk, wierd shit like that lol) and it was kindof detrimental to the experience as I couldn't really concentrate. My mind was about as consistent as the visuals.
I think my post is running about as long as most peoples attention span so I'd just like to ask what the more experienced of us recommend for the "best"(not NECESSARILY hardest) trip without giving up intensity. SO what do you guys recommend for the best hard trip? I'm thinking about either a fair ammount of dried torch or just getting another 18" of Bridgesii from BBB(It was DEFINATELY good) and just taking a bigger dose. Between 112g of dried torch and 18"(the shipment was actually more like 24" once I got it) What's recommended and why?

Thanks for reading my long ass post. I've had a few beers and I tend to ramble a little when I'm drinking lol

Edit: Even after splitting the 24" of Bridgesii into 2 doses I still wouldn't be willing to consume it all at once. Not only because I don't think my stomach could handle it, but because I think I'd be trippin' for a good day or so hardcore. Mescaline seems to last a long f'n time.

[Shroomette]

Here is my endeavor into the bridgesii tea

http://forums.mycotopia.net/storming...mescaline.html (Whole New RESPECT for Mescaline!!!)

[Skizsm420]

It appears to be time for another adventure with the bridgesii. I just decided to order 3 more 6" cuttings from BBB(Great price for a solid single dose if I say so myself). I had the bright idea of requesting darker green/blue cacti. Hopefully they fulfill that request and stick with the tradition of hooking it up with moderately more than purchased. If BBB did commercials I would definitely volunteer to be the spokesman lol. I wish all online vendors(entheogen and otherwise) operated like they did. the 3 6" cuttings I ordered last week led to yet another great experience from this mind blowing plant. Probably my strongest experience yet(it was probably 22" between the 3 cuttings) with the best visuals I've ever had from any hallucinogenic experience. Hail to the cactus

[Shadowlord]

I have yet to try the Bridgesii but I love the Cacti in general and all the people I know and trust the most about matters of cactus all agree that the Bridgesii is the best way to go bar getting Williamsii buttons.
Love that Cacti!

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Shadowlord

I have yet to try the Bridgesii but I love the Cacti in general and all the people I know and trust the most about matters of cactus all agree that the Bridgesii is the best way to go bar getting Williamsii buttons.
Love that Cacti!

Indeed my friend it is the closest to peyote that you will ever get. Well actually the monstrose is the closest but, the normal bridgesii is pretty damn close.

[Skizsm420]

I was perusing the web tonight and came across a thread on a forum that(more or less) discredited tea. I personally know that to be bs from my own experiences, BUT I am definitely curious about this persons method. To sum it up the recipe is:
1. Despine/Skin
2. Remove Green layer
3. Freeze overnight
4. Thaw/Add Lemon Juice
5. Blend

I don't doubt that you get plenty of magic out of the cacti this way, but my question is this:
Is it more effective to tea a cutting or to remove the green flesh and consume whole. From what I've picked up you lose atleast 20% of the alkaloids in the white flesh(I could be wrong here), but you probably also lose some in the heating process. Does anyone know what is more effective?

edit: Also, what good does freezing do if you're boiling/mashing anyway? I would imagine the primary reason behind that is to break cell walls and get the goodies into the water. AND is there any evidence behind adding citric acid to these concotions? I've heard the same thing about other hallucinogens my entire life(and tried them), but i've always been too high to tell the difference lol. . Probably placebo effect.

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by Skizsm420

I was perusing the web tonight and came across a thread on a forum that(more or less) discredited tea. I personally know that to be bs from my own experiences, BUT I am definitely curious about this persons method. To sum it up the recipe is:
1. Despine/Skin
2. Remove Green layer
3. Freeze overnight
4. Thaw/Add Lemon Juice
5. Blend

I don't doubt that you get plenty of magic out of the cacti this way, but my question is this:
Is it more effective to tea a cutting or to remove the green flesh and consume whole. From what I've picked up you lose atleast 20% of the alkaloids in the white flesh(I could be wrong here), but you probably also lose some in the heating process. Does anyone know what is more effective?

if you discard the white center yes you will loose about 20% of the alkaliods, but, most are stored in the skins. Now drinking a thick bitter sludge with a lemon overtone now that sounds just discusting. Each to their own I guess and when teaing you might loose 2% of the alkaliods, but, thats to be expected as you loose more with each step your go farther from the whole cactus. Tea IME and IMO and eating it whole are the 2 best ways to partake in the cactus. Any how you don't loose any of the alkaliods in the heating process if you keep the temp below 300 man, those alkaliods are pretty stable bro, which is why you get off so good from a good tea.

[Skizsm420]

that def answers my question man. So you lose more alkaloids cutting out the white material than you do boiling.

By the way I tead the 18" I got this week from BBB. They were all nice and bluish like I requested(usually atleast 2/3 are anyway). Yet another great experience w/ bridgesii. It ended up being about 22-23" altogether, so I still haven't tead 2 cuttings but I must say I tripped my ass of this weekend lol. I'm already planning next time.

edit:

Is it just me or does it seem more sedative the higher you dose? I hardly left the couch the other night. I was either laying there listening to music or watching a movie(not that I was really watching but it was there). I'm thinking about planning my future experiences so that I will be a little more entertained instead of just floating off to the dark side of the moon.

[Skizsm420]

OK. . . I have yet another question. BBB has the oddball bridgesii pieces for sale. It's 3 kilos from $35. gram for gram that's pretty good, but since they're "defected" in one way or another do you guys think it's worth it for an experience? I'm just trying to uh . . economize my cactus experience lol. I'm ready for the next step I just have to plan it out.
I think next time Im going to dose mid afternoon because I was still going hard at 5am last weekend and felt like I had taken some time release xanax or something most of the day. I was pleasantly tired but I had things to do so that part wasn't the greatest. The rest of the experience, however, was totally worth it. I think I'm even getting somewhat accustomed to the taste, or maybe just geting better at getting it down lol.

[dimension traveler]

irishlion where did you find that it's about 20% you lose not using the centers? I was checking out trouts note's and it seemed the distribution of alkloids seemed to be the leased researched. and also varrying on the specimen some had more in the epidermis (skin) and some in the parenchymal tissue, some parts of the book claimed that the dark green lpart of the parenchymal was that way because that's where most of the chloraphyl is. and also do you think besided where in the cactus there distrubuted does each part contain different alks? by that do you think one part might contain more mesc while other parts contain the other alks more? i would like to know because i would like to get the best possible balance.

[dimension traveler]

in answere to my own question lol I would believe to use it all besides the core would be best balance but if you know more about the distrubutrion i would like to know thank you.

skizma420 yes freezing breaks down the cell walls allowing the alks to come out more freely and the reason people use the acid is to also grab the alks out, but it is not needed it may do the job faster so less boil time is needed but I think it can disturb the alks a little so I dont recommend that part.

[Irishlion]

Originally Posted by dimension traveler

in answere to my own question lol I would believe to use it all besides the core would be best balance but if you know more about the distrubutrion i would like to know thank you.

skizma420 yes freezing breaks down the cell walls allowing the alks to come out more freely and the reason people use the acid is to also grab the alks out, but it is not needed it may do the job faster so less boil time is needed but I think it can disturb the alks a little so I dont recommend that part.

Yes I have to agree, IMO the acid does break down certain alkaliods and ruins the experience.

[Space Doubt]

Originally Posted by Irishlion

Tea IME and IMO and eating it whole are the 2 best ways to partake in the cactus.

Have you tried the d-Limonene tek? It sounds very promising.

As to different species, while reading about the above, it was said that bridgesii seemed to have a more complex alkaloid profile, more closely resembling williamsii, and more "sedating" and "dreamy", while peruvianus was more "clear", and more closely resembled pure mescaline.

[Ferretious]

Originally Posted by Skizsm420

Ok.. It's time again for another experiment with the Trich. I'm planning my next purchase and looking for the best experience possible. My experience so far is 1 mild(in comparison to the bridgesii) pachanoi trip and 2 bridgesii trips. The first bridgesii trip was mild compared to the 2nd, but probably 5 times more intense than the pach. Decent visuals, no attention span, jittery legs etc. The 2nd bridgesii experience was much better. The negative effects were equal to the first, but the trip was much more intense.
Now that I have familiarized myself with the general effects of the trich cacti I'm looking for a more . . profound . . experience. I'd rather not be tripping for 24 hours solid, but I want to "chew the legs off the table" as I've heard a few ppl around here put it.
My dilemma is this. I would like to experiment with the different species(I haven't yet tried P. Torch) if the trip is different. It seems as though there are different alkaloids in each cactus that make them more potent and I understand that bridgesii is the most potent. BUT I am willing to take more torch to make up for that if the experience is better. For example there was a certain "weirdness" to my heavier bridg trip that I could've done without. During what I guess was my peak my thoughts kept becoming wierd sound effects(Sploosh, Plithurk, wierd shit like that lol) and it was kindof detrimental to the experience as I couldn't really concentrate. My mind was about as consistent as the visuals.
I think my post is running about as long as most peoples attention span so I'd just like to ask what the more experienced of us recommend for the "best"(not NECESSARILY hardest) trip without giving up intensity. SO what do you guys recommend for the best hard trip? I'm thinking about either a fair ammount of dried torch or just getting another 18" of Bridgesii from BBB(It was DEFINATELY good) and just taking a bigger dose. Between 112g of dried torch and 18"(the shipment was actually more like 24" once I got it) What's recommended and why?

Just making a well educated guess here(LOL) But why don't you consider doing an A/B extraction on Torch or Pedro.(Don't do it on Bridge because certain people might become very upset). That way you will have an almost pure mescaline only trip. This might prevent the wierd feeling you got from the Bridge. There is nothing you can do about the length of the experience though.

[Skizsm420]

so. . Anyone have any experience with BBB's oddball cacti?

[viewer6922]

Right now I am just growing them....great for growing ! I plan to make tea this next summer.

[whatchamacallit]

SWIM believes the post at the link below will give a good explanation of one experienced users opinion on the difference in effects from the cacti, and alkaloid extracts (done with milder chemicals, which seems to pull out all the alkaloids, rather than just mescaline), of the Trichocereus Bridgesii (Achuma), Trichocereus Peruvianus (Peruvian Torch), and Trichocereus Pachanoi (San Pedro).

http://forums.mycotopia.net/botanica...tml#post773863 (Non toxic, food safe extraction of mescaline and related alkaloids)

Originally Posted by 69Ron
I've recently been using Mescaline HCl in the 50-75 mg range. At that dose for me it’s mostly just a pleasant stimulant and mood enhancer with aphrodisiac effects. I'm speaking of purified Mescaline hydrochloride extracted from San Pedro or Peruvian Torch, and not whole cactus which is a little different.

A 50-75 mg dose is fantastic. One feels slightly energized, content and peaceful, conversation is easy and quite fun to engage in, social interaction feels more meaningful and spontaneous, creativity is slightly increased, and there’s a happy playfulness one feels. It’s easier to feel connected to others. You feel a sense of empathy. Humor comes easily and is quite satisfying. Sex is also improved, and for the man stamina is improved. It’s a great social drug just as long as the dose is kept low. At higher hallucinogenic doses, it is not at all a social drug but more of a spiritual experience.

For me low doses go really well with a strong cup of coffee which brings out some of the psychedelic qualities even at such a low dose. Coffee somewhat increases the psychedelic and euphoric effects of Mescaline . It’s a great combination.

I'm a little more sensitive to Mescaline than others. So that 50-75 mg range might be a bit too small for some other people. For me Mescaline HCl becomes psychedelic at 100 mg. At 200 mg it's a rich Psychedelic Experience . At 300 mg its is a heavy Psychedelic Experience .

San Pedro is smoother than pure Mescaline , more mellow, not as jolting, but not by much. It’s close enough that some people might have a hard time telling the two apart. Peruvian Torch is extremely close to pure Mescaline . I cannot really tell the difference.

Achuma (Bridgesii) is very dreamy and sedating at first and very unlike Mescaline until a few hours pass and the dreamy sedating effect starts to give way to a more Mescaline like experience. This is the least like pure Mescaline of the three. Peyote is even less like pure Mescaline . Bridgesii contains alkaloids other than Mescaline that makes it more potent. The trip is somewhat unlike a Mescaline trip. The other active alkaloids really change the experience. I like it, but it's less like Mescaline than San Pedro is. The Torch is the most like Mescaline out of all three. Bridgessi doesn't actually contain much Mescaline , but the other alkaloids in it enhance the effects a lot. It's believed that one alkaloid in it acts like an MAOI making the Mescaline much more powerful.

If looking for a Mescaline like experience, I would not recommend Achuma or Peyote and I would recommend San Pedro over Peruvian Torch because Peruvian Torch is unreliable. Sometimes Peruvian Torch is very strong and other times it does nothing at all, while San Pedro pretty much always works.