san pedro prep and dry tech

[golord]

ok SWIM has figured out through trial and error a good method
( and it sounds like more work then it actually is, just takes a little time)

step 1- cut a 6 to 10 inch section and cut the spines off of each ridge in one strip with as little of the flesh as possible.

step 2- cut a strait line down the valleys of each ridge( not to deep, just enough to cut the outer-skin )

step 3- with tweezers grab the skin and pull it off enough to grab it with your fingers, and pull it off the green flesh( sometimes tears and requires more tweezer work (especially if i the section has scaring )

step 4- with a sharp knife cut the green flesh off of each ridge

step 5- dry in oven in cookie racks at 170f to 185f ( dont go over 185f as I have noticed a decrease in potancey with the discoloration that happens at higher temps) powderize and enjoy


ps using this method, 100g of the powder yielded about 2.6g of pure hcl as apposed to about .7g pure hcl with the skins left on, from the same
San Pedro plant

[Ferretious]

Originally Posted by golord

ps using this method, 100g of the powder yielded about 2.6g of pure hcl as apposed to about .7g pure hcl with the skins left on, from the same
San Pedro plant

That's a remarkable difference!
Still, maybe it's just lazy old me, but the amount of time it takes to peel the wax off just isn't worth it(yeah I'm lazy and pushed for time).
I stand by a food dessicator for the drying. It's consistant and doesn't require the vigilance of an oven

[whatchamacallit]

Perhaps lots of the mescaline in the flesh close to the skin never got freed from the skin on the flesh? If it's ground up finely, I don't see how leaving the skin on could actually affect the yield that much. I could see that perhaps with making tea from fresh cactus, but for the ground up, dried skins, it seems highly unlikely that the yield from an extraction of the skins would be affected that greatly, by leaving the skin on the flesh while drying.

The skins are powdered before extraction, which should expose all the same flesh to the solvents and lye. This should allow all the mescaline to be freebased, and pulled into the solvent. SWIM thinks leaving the skin on, if anything, could even help the yield, due to having no possible loss of any of the green flesh, which sometimes clings to the skins.

Also, boiling mescaline in a pot of water reaches over 200 degrees F, which doesn't seem to affect potency, so SWIM is also unsure how heating it to more than that would affect mescaline, but perhaps it's the other alkaloids that are destroyed, resulting in possibly less effects from the same dose.

It's supposed to take well over 300 degrees F to harm the mescaline, SWIM has read, but many other alkaloids that enhance the cacti experience perhaps are destroyed, causing lower potency of overall alkaloids.

Don't know, but it's a hypothesis.

[healing_light]

Yea, SWIM always leaves the skin on only IF he's powdering. If he's working with chunks for tea prep or eating, def peel off the skin. Nice tek tho, props!

[golord]

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

Perhaps lots of the mescaline in the flesh close to the skin never got freed from the skin on the flesh? If it's ground up finely, I don't see how leaving the skin on could actually affect the yield that much. I could see that perhaps with making tea from fresh cactus, but for the ground up, dried skins, it seems highly unlikely that the yield from an extraction of the skins would be affected that greatly, by leaving the skin on the flesh while drying.

The skins are powdered before extraction, which should expose all the same flesh to the solvents and lye. This should allow all the mescaline to be freebased, and pulled into the solvent. SWIM thinks leaving the skin on, if anything, could even help the yield, due to having no possible loss of any of the green flesh, which sometimes clings to the skins.

Also, boiling mescaline in a pot of water reaches over 200 degrees F, which doesn't seem to affect potency, so SWIM is also unsure how heating it to more than that would affect mescaline, but perhaps it's the other alkaloids that are destroyed, resulting in possibly less effects from the same dose.

It's supposed to take well over 300 degrees F to harm the mescaline, SWIM has read, but many other alkaloids that enhance the cacti experience perhaps are destroyed, causing lower potency of overall alkaloids.

Don't know, but it's a hypothesis.

yeah just read my post , sorry made a typo,. it 1.7g not .7g sorry for any confusion that might of caused...
also still it is almost a gram dif. so for 10 minutes extra a batch, its worth it to swim. let me know and I'll have swim take some pics of each step
oh and I almost forgot, swim is using 69ron's d-limonene (orange oil) hcl extraction from dmt-nexus, and is seeing much better results compared to the lye method.

[golord]

Originally Posted by whatchamacallit

It's supposed to take well over 300 degrees F to harm the mescaline, SWIM has read, but many other alkaloids that enhance the cacti experience perhaps are destroyed, causing lower potency of overall alkaloids.

actually a chemist friend( who is a prof at UC Berkeley) told me that in its natural state in the cactus that it can degrade quite easily at around 200f - 210, and once its in a freebase form not to heat it over 275f, he said you could loose up to 20% of the over all yield

[whatchamacallit]

Originally Posted by golord

actually a chemist friend( who is a prof at UC Berkeley) told me that in its natural state in the cactus that it can degrade quite easily at around 200f - 210, and once its in a freebase form not to heat it over 275f, he said you could loose up to 20% of the over all yield

Could you ask your chemist friend, what state the mescaline is in as it's natural form in the cacti?

[Pacha]

The green layer does contain most of the active alkaloids, treating it softly and gently peeling out the skin does make the drink much more potent.

[teesus]

hi golord! i'm a bit confused...are you comparing yields of 100g pealed flesh vs 100g flesh with skins?