LSA discovery by mistake!!!!! check it out

[Bluejay]

I have been mulling over LSA again after years of not touching it.. I still had about 150 HBWR seeds put up but think of the gag just imaging that horrid taste from a water extract...
Well I read that winder posted God knows how long ago about a acetone pre rinse then a water extract yielded no effects at all....
I think I have found the secret why....I have read of another person using ace the water to good results but what I am about to show proves this is bullshit!
I started by crushing ten seeds and covered with a 1/2 inch of acetone. after a hour a seperated this off but a nagging voice told me to save this knowing that LSA amides glow blue under a blacklight. Hmm I have one in the basement and have a dark room for twelve hours .......
The pictures I am about to show are from my razr (2 megapixels) taken under only blacklight....

LSA,acetone.jpg

Epmty ace glass,waterex.jpg

The LSA is clearly in the pure acetone and in the glass the ace WAS in ..

The dark glass is a wter extract after washing with acetone!

I will try and test how clean the feel is asap,maybe tonight..

[fungalsporesolution]

neat..

[Bluejay]

No scraping of the seed husks were performed.

The ace was only a slight whiteish milk colored when seperated..

Its been 2 hours, more than enough time for the ace to evape while sitting in front of a fan. Thats for sure having used acetone many of times in my life but,

I have a off white/slightly yellow maple syrup consistency puddle that has no acetone smell at all.

I do not know if this is safe to consume?

Should prolly give it a day to see if it dries out but that makes no sense cause acetone of that amount would have been gone in less than a hour!

Glows blue/slight green under the blacklight

[Soliver1]

Interesting... is there anything else in there that could glow under the light?

sol

[tregar]

Cool pics! thanks

Another thread on LSA extracts that glow here:

http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=13948 (Lucid and Visual Morning Glory LSA Extracts)

[Bluejay]

Well it did end up drying to a tar like goo but there was only a match head size piece after scraping up.

I will try this gel capped piece next weekend and see if it the easy way to go for cleaner lsa.

Im nervouse about it though to be honest. Not of getting to high just hate the drunken lethargic feel I have had off hbwr seeds before..

I only had one glowing experience that was so clean that you could of swore you dropped acid...

I want to find a way to replicate that experience easily.

[~Hippie3]

makes sense that acetone would extract.
should be pretty clean once the acetone's all gone, too.
interesting indeed.

[Sky Rayven]

My extraction method is a little different.

I use colemans white gas (cooking gas for camping)

Crush the seeds down nice and fine. Place the crushed seeds in a small glass air tite container and shake vigorously for 30 minutes and let sit for an hour. Shake it some more and then strain the seeds through a coffe filter and save the seed mush and let the gas completely evaporate from them and I mean completely...be sure its all gone because it is poison. This process removes all the poison from the outer part of the seeds.

Then you can use everclear pure grain alky to extract the lsa.

I try to measure it out so that 1 half shot of everclear is = to 1 comfortable dose for you.

I let my exctraction in ec set out of sunlight for 3 days to a week shaking it a few times a day. then strain the everclear out saving it and getting rid of the seed mush.

let this final product settle for a day because there will be remaining sediments in the bottom of your bottle.

enjoy!! try to avoid the sediments at the bottom

Basic concept is that the crappy stuff in the seeds is souluble by non polar solvent (white gas) and the good stuff (lsa) is soluble by polar solvent (alky)

Sky

[Bluejay]

Wow now that all of you are back from vacation in cyberspace ...


This extraction works well with HBWR except even in large doses it is just a mind high with no visuals...But damn the stone cheeks from laughing so much... I just reciever some MG's so I will be working with these and some Rivea corybosa seeds and 2 living plants....

I want to long term see if I can cross a Heavenly blue with OLOLIQU(sp?)... Si nce there in the same family....

[tregar]

Great work bluejay.

Please do tell more with your work with ololiuqui/mg in the future. I'm interested.

Acetone dissolves the good (polar compounds) but also "may" dissolve a portion of the bad compounds (non-polar compounds), but your experiment seems to have only dissolved the polar compounds. Acetone has both polar and non-polar characteristics. Acetone has some non-polar properties and is an effective solvent for all sorts of non-polar substances.

As far as morning glorys go, the "good stuff" is polar and the "bad stuff" is non-polar.

[spacecake]

Good tread Bleujay...!

I have some some seeds when summer is over...all those treads talking aboud lsa,..hmm maybe I'll give it a try next month...!

[tbonus]

awsome dude,thanks for the knowledge folks!!

[Bluejay]

Heres a pic of 200 ish morning glory seeds straining the ace thru..


Look how bright they glow..Beauty at its finest...I will have to rinse that filter with clean ace when I am done..LOTS OF LISA HANGING ON!!!!


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[Jaeger]

Maybe doing the nonpolar rinse (naptha, aka whitegas from above) then doing the acetone would result in an even cleaner product?

[Bluejay]

Thought of trying that and also hitting the acetone after its pulled the LSA out with a small amount of HCL water to see if any thing turns to a salt for more stabilty...


LOTS of time my friend, This is my girl and I will find her sweet spot..

[Bluejay]

As you can see there are other things pulled out by the ace so finding the right chem as a pre rinse will be benificial..


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[odrorir]

Below is the method Peter Webster used.

Sounds like you need to basify and then extract w/a weakly acidic solvent again.


The procedure involved extracting finely powdered Heavenly Blue Morning Glories w/ Ethanol. Most ethanol was evaporated off in a rotovap, added a bit more water, basified the messy solution w/ ammonia (to make sure alkaloids weren't in the salt form) & extracted 3x w/ dichloromethane, combined extracts were extracted with w/ water containing 5% tartaric acid. The alkaloidal-tartarate solution was basified w/ ammonia and extracted w/ dichloromethane. Evaporate DCM leaving a light coloured syrup that fluoresced bright blue under blacklight.

[Pixie Dust]

So what makes the extraction better than just ingesting the seeds? By the way, I purchased 25 hbwr seeds (indian strain - looks like rocks) I chewed 12 and they didnt do squat but a high, I gave the another 12 to a friend who ate them too and nothing happened to them besides a high feeling.


I am so fustrated because I want to see visuals, but nothing and I mean nothing has produuced that yet! I had very very mild visuals on my one and only mushroom trip this summer, but I dont think that counts.

I plan to buy some MG and hbwr seeds and try this extraction and combine the two to make a BIG extraction, say like idk 1200 mg seeds?

[tregar]

Pixie,

Checkout the post #24 on down for some very unusual visual reports from hermes using a 20 to 30 minute quick family-sized tea bag cold-distilled water extraction method. Staple the empty tea bag shut with the finely ground seed material, and dunk it in the water, squeezing lightly periodically. I don't quite understand why the morning glorys are more lsd like visually then the BHWR--but then again there is a heck of a whole lot we still don't know or understand about how the various ergolines in the seeds work in synergy. If you start to get other than white or tan-looking material -- like brown in the water, than you've gone too long with the extraction:

http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=13948 (Lucid and Visual Morning Glory LSA Extracts)

The traditional Indian method of cool-water extraction or any other method such as the one used by Peter Webster that puts the finely crushed seeds into a solution for a short time is thought to start the equilibrium process of the amides (hydrolysis) forming a new trio of variants from lysergic acid amide...these variants can reach the brain--this is all a theory that he proposed, but from the results posted by hermes, the fascinating visuals that resulted with little to no nausea are some of the best reports I've ever read. The cold-water extraction if done for 5 to 7 minutes, or even 20 to 30 minutes reduces the nausea significantly--as would filtering and re-filtering the then resulting water solution (up to 10 times pineal would filter to arrive at zero nausea). The Indians used the water-extraction for thousands of years.

The first part of the trip is somewhat lethargic and this lasts a couple hours. The physical energy level and "taste hallucination" is different than LSD also. LSD incites a "rusty iron" type of taste hallucination while LSA/ergoline material incites a "bee pollen" type of taste at the tastebuds. With eyes open and 8grams of Martha-Stewart same year dated brand of heavenly's, he saw melting and warping of furniture. With eyes open, he saw 4-dimensional lattic like structures. Other visions with 500 seeds produced winged angelic forms, pyramids of ancient Egypt, 4-dimensional patterned structures morphing and bifurcating, landscapes, grand architecture and temples, etc while listening to music in the dark with a very good pair of headphones. The burpee brand was weaker and required over 10 grams to get to the visuals of 8 grams of the Martha-Stewart K-mart brand. But it is always best to start with 8grams or less to see how your body responds to vasoconstrictive qualites present in the LSA material. LSD does not cause these vaso concerns because a much higher dose of LSA type material is needed to get to the same point.

The combination of genetic factors, environmental conditions, and soil chemistry create as much as a 16 fold variation in the psychoactive potency of seeds produced. Hormone treatment and attention to soil conditions and nutrients, however, go a long way toward maximizing the lysergic acid amide content of the seed harvest.

Below is an old quote from Nogal who used the traditional cold-water method:
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"Yes I know of someone who tried this exact method with the Heavenly Blue variety, except with the substitution of a coffe grinder in place of a stone metate (I think thats what is called but I could be wrong), and a squirt of lemon in the water, with around 400-500 seeds. Closed and open eyed visuals were extremely breath taking. Some of the most prominent visions were of Aztec/Mayan glyphic patterns, a menacing and demonic technicolor nymph made of light who tried to seduce the viewer, and this bizare trail of energy spheres which each contained a different stylized animal form(again definately of Aztec/Mayan origin). The only negative reaction experienced was a cramping and spasms of the inner thigh muscles which is mentioned in another post in the botanical forum. The cause of this is unsure, but hopefully someone will clear that up. Hope this is of help to you."
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The Walmarts around here don't carry the seeds anymore, and the K-marts (that carry the Martha-Stewart brand grown in holland) have all mostly gone out of business. Herme and I agree about not "talking too loudly about this subject". I won't be posting any much more for a while because I don't feel that this method should be widely known, else this gets band just like Sally. Maybe its best for this to remain underground and just let kids figure out the wrong way by getting nausea, puking, etc. I don't know about you, but I'm tired of seeing the establishment yanking out the last remaining psychedelics from out beneath our feet.

Take a look at the publicity the Washington Post caused just recently -- as these 2 people decided to "do a live show" taking the seeds (the wrong way by-the-way which caused them intense nausea and malaise):

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache...s&ct=clnk&cd=3

[Bluejay]

wow this time a light amber oil along with some crusty solid was the result....

I like the sound of the oil being that i have heard that this could be possibly pure LSA...

I scraped up crusty residue into the gel cap also but I will prolly let the oil out and take just that to see if it what I am after..

If large scale were done then a sep funnel could be used ,because as the ace evaped there was a oil on the surface... I am starting to believe this is the crusty stuff...

I am so excited... 09-19-06_1728.jpg

The yellow oil turns into a bright yellow jelly in the freezer.

[BlueShift]

So did you ever try the oil?

[AndyLandy420]

isn't acetone non-polar? i always thought is was because of the acetone wash on mesc salts, wouldnt the mesc dissolve if it were polar?

[cap]

Originally Posted by Bluejay

I have been mulling over LSA again after years of not touching it.. I still had about 150 HBWR seeds put up but think of the gag just imaging that horrid taste from a water extract...
Well I read that winder posted God knows how long ago about a acetone pre rinse then a water extract yielded no effects at all....
I think I have found the secret why....I have read of another person using ace the water to good results but what I am about to show proves this is bullshit!
I started by crushing ten seeds and covered with a 1/2 inch of acetone. after a hour a seperated this off but a nagging voice told me to save this knowing that LSA amides glow blue under a blacklight. Hmm I have one in the basement and have a dark room for twelve hours .......
The pictures I am about to show are from my razr (2 megapixels) taken under only blacklight....

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The LSA is clearly in the pure acetone and in the glass the ace WAS in ..

The dark glass is a wter extract after washing with acetone!

I will try and test how clean the feel is asap,maybe tonight..

well isn't the reason the tek called for acetone so that it peeled the nasties off the seed *coats* ?

great investigative work and experimentation, jay..
not many folks tread these waters
lookin forward to the bio-assay....
just be careful... i wonder where the tannins etc went

[cap]

Originally Posted by Bluejay

..scared..

how many seeds did ya use to make that gelcap?
dont take this as an insult to yer intelligence, but watch yer dose...
if u used 150 beans thats many many times more the actives needed for a trip
again, just be careful

[loochypooch]

It sure would be nice for someone to present a tek that produced a more LSD like LSA. So far it appears to be just a "rumor" to me that it is possible to have a great experience with LSA. I might end up doing some experiments of my own now that I have more experience with extraction principles but someone is going to have to convince me it is worth it.

I was very dissapointed in how lethargic chewing hbwr seeds made me feel, it was nothing like LSD and not even pleasant. More of a sick/sedated feeling, but I did experience LSD like visuals. IMO entheogens are not about the visuals though, they are about the FEELING.

Is it really possible to get good glowing vibes from LSA???

BTW Indian HBWR are a differnt species I think, and are no good. Real HBWR are potent and 10 is a good dose I think.

[chimp]

I did a 12 seed HBWR cold water extraction 2 weeks ago. The seeds were powdered in a coffee bean grinder then put in tea bag and stapled shut. I put about 1/3 pint of spring water and 1.5 teaspoons of pure lime juice(pulp filtered out).

I strained through a coffee filter twice and down the hatch it went. It took about an hour to notice anything. I first noticed the coming on of a head buzz but the body load (bad stuff) was overwhelming it. After a couple hours it was almost bearable but the high wasn't worth it to me even though there were some minor visuals. I could tell that if the body load hadn't been so heavy that it would have been a good time. I have come to the conclusion that I am not gonna mess with HBWR anymore till a full proof tek makes itself known.

[cap]

somebody send me some quality HBWR seeds and ill work on one

[tregar]

Hi oibchip and cap.

Thanks for letting us know how it went.

Morninggloryseed over at bluelight claims that HBWR seeds contain a considerable amount of nausea / toxic like gylcosides inside the seed and not in the shell so they may be impossible to get out.

Perhaps this is the reason morning glory seeds (which have thousands of years of shamanic use) are preferred by many to the HBWR (no history of shamanic use).

Over and over I've read reports of the MG being a 'superior' species.

The trip reports at erowid also seem to reflect a much more difficult and 'toxic' time with HBWR over the MG.

With my hypothetical CWE of MG seeds (30ml or about 1.5 gram) of seeds was sampled form the 99% DL tartaric salted 9 oz sping water 8 gram total extract, there was ZERO nausea and a very euphoric lite psychedelic time--music was pleasantly enhanced to the point where I just wanted to sit under a speaker in the stores in the mall. At times it felt more like rolling than tripping--it does seem to have some of the 'ecstatic' qualities of LSD at low doses if extracted properly.

Here is a thread with more trips from fevereddreams, firegod420--they also had euphoric and intense visuals in combination with maoi's:http://forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=13805

We also may have stumbled across something exciting in the hypothetical re-creation of some d-lysergic acid hydroxyethlamide in the extract which appears to be very similar chemically to LAE-32 described in the LSD section of TIHKal (see erowid). There have been no human studies on this compound..only animal studies...but the animal studies point to it maybe having LSD like effects in humans...but further research was needed according to the researcher who published his study in Nature in 1961. I don't have time to get into here, but the results by one member have been so positive, that he saids it's the only way he will do the extraction from now on...also remember space doubt? He reported 'light emitting tracers' and reported that the effects were above those he had experienced with just plain CWE's in the past. It is explained in more detail in the thread. The more carbon atoms you add to the amide portion of the LSA molecule in theory, the more activity you get...(such as lysergic acid monoethylamide--which is an amide where only one alkyl chain was attached). Activity increased with chain length to a maximum of 75% of the potency of LSD with the n-pentylamide (5 carbon atoms in length), however nothing can exceed the diethylamide potency. Most substituted compounds are 1/10th as potent. Lysergic acid morpholinde had 75% of the potency of LSD. The added carbons may shift the molecule into a certain spatial arrangement across receptor sites--even today little is know about it all...see heffter's study at heffter.org under 'LSD and its lysergic cousins'. It just may be possible to do this by re-forming the 'labile condensation adduct product' called LSH by simple physiological mixing...there may not be a whole lot formed but it is better than nothing. Our attempt is to re-form the 'lost compound LSH' in the seeds by mixing LSA with 3 to 4 oz of wine high in acetaldehyde content.

The genius of the Heffter institute: http://www.heffter.org/review/Review2/chap6.pdf

Here is a related study to what I'm referring to: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=002...2-W&size=LARGE

chemist peter webster:

The hydroxyethylamide in the seeds long thought to be psychoactive actually can never reach the brain, since this compound is a labile adduct of ergine and acetaldehyde. It is therefore transformed into ergine and isoergine rapidly, even by mild extraction methods.

Some researchers believe that perhaps all the content of MG seeds exists as the d-hydroxyethylamide, and it is the extraction/purification/testing procedures which then produce the APPARENT result that the alkaloids are ergine, isoergine, and maybe still some hydroxyethylamide.

In the meantime, here is a picture of the molecule in the middle from Dr. Hofmann himself:

[chimp]

Yes, I plan to do the Morning glory seeds next just haven't had the time due to work. I do plan to use the same extraction technique

[cap]

excellent post tregar, thanks..
i dont own a hard copy of tihkal, but have read the e-book a hundred times over, and yes, im familiar with the LSD analogues/homologues, but never really put any effort into learning more...

inspiring post, thanks again for the insight i still have no beans to fuck with tho

which variety/cultivar of MG do you prefer?

[chimp]

Cap send me a PM. I have an ounce or so I can give ya

[tregar]

Thanks.

I'm just trying to figure out the mystery of 'The secrets of Eleusis' that's the only reason I've been putting so much research into this. Hofmann, ruck, others believe it to be a water extract of ergot, perhaps from infected paspali grass which grows all over the mediterranean used in the kykeon potion drink for over 2,000 years. But there could have been a missing ingredient (or two?) added to it to increase the effects. See 'The Road to Eleusis' by Hofmann and also 'The Elixir' by Shelley or 'Sacred Mushrooms of the goddess' by Ruck...ergot is also a mushroom--just tiny ones that you need a microscope to see. The high priest did an excellent job of keeping the ingredients secret...also at some points the kykeon drink was snuck out and used at Greek parties--our social equivalent of cocktail parties. There was death to anyone caught using it outside of the ritual or to anyone who spoke of their experiences with it. Our culture, western civilization does have a rich history of psychedelic use--the secret rituals held at Eleusis every fall prove this. Hoffman is now 100 years old this year and his wish is that man may someday come together and experience rituals like those held at Eleusis for millenia.

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_...tihkal26.shtml

LAE-32 has a mono CH2CH3 at R1 and an H at R2.

LAH has a CHOHCH3 at R1 and an H at R2.

LAE-32 = d-lysergic acid ethylamide

LAH = d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide.

I'm just guessing here, but the names and structures appear similar.

Check out the human effects of LAE-32 at 1.6mg and over.

[cap]

eyyy theyre not hard ta find
thanks a mill for tha offer, chip... but only if u arent using them

[chimp]

I ordered a 1/4 pound by accident..I won't miss an ounce. It's no problem

[cap]

k

TY

[cap]

Originally Posted by Firegod420

4 of us took a water extraction of 300 seeds and 300mg of harmine hcl. The trip for us all was extremly intense 3 of us felt no nausea at all the whole trip, one of us purged at the end but did not feel sick it was more of a ayahuasca type purge, Great Medicine. It was like the best of mushrooms, ayahuasca and lsd all in one trip it lasted 12hrs with about 12hrs of afterglow effects. Great knowledge of self was learned, and we all say we are going back this weekend it was so great. This combo has ALOT to offer!



I did hcl extraction of rue and slowly boiled it down to a dry extract. HCL acid extractions of Rue are said to convert most of the harmaline over to harmine thru the gentle oxidation. Harmine is way lighter on your system then harmaline which is the major aklaloid of Rue. From expierence imma have to say this is tru! I also have references to this if wanted.

Also a 3 hr water extraction of 1200 Heavenly Blues and pearly gates from burpee seed company.

Both extractions were filtered through a cloth then freeze decanted and filtered again to get rid of solids!

Next time we are trying a Acetic acid extraction of caapi vine and another water extraction but use rivea corymbosa instead.

Originally Posted by Firegod420

The trip was very intense, and visuals were overwhelming!

This combo is def for I & I to say the least. It has everything I & I want from psychedelics. Intense education of the NOW. During the peak I & I figured that all my friends just act out my thoughts and strangers were my unconciousness and we are one, I & I felt that words were a tool to change our reality the more I & I expressed what was going on in the "REAL NOW" the realer the visions felt and I & I can manifest, I & I felt as though I & I was creation, I & I felt the connection of ONE MIND and how to intergrate it into my self , GREAT HEALING. I & I felt absolutely no sickness the whole time just a little gas heh... I & I was pushed beyond the point of what some humans call sanity, I & I sees it now sanity insanity are one of the same its all creation. I & I could not even begin to get into real detail cuz there was so much, the trip lasted a solid 12hrs, and 12hrs of afterglow. All throughout the trip i felt different vibes from some of the greatest hallucinogens, it was more of a spirit reunion than a trip! And I & I is the HOST!!





I & I is a complex term, referring to the oneness of every human. Rastafarian scholar E. E. Cashmore: "I and I is an expression to totalize the concept of oneness, the oneness of two persons. So God is within all of us and we're one people in fact. I and I means that God is in all men. The bond of Ras Tafari is the bond of God, of man.

Originally Posted by Firegod420

Not sure if this had anything to do with the extraction of the MGs but i always use and drink high ph natural water 8-9.5 with minerals.. I never get any sickness from MG, HBW, or Rivea.

[tregar]

Thanks for the posts!

Also:

From fastandbulbous (advanced hypothetical drug discussion):

Apparently N-(1-hydroxyethyl)lysergamide is an adduct compound formed from lysergamide (lysergic acid amide, LSA/LAA, LA-111) and acetaldehyde. This hints towards the idea that isn't the most stable of compounds, but would be pretty easily formed by the combination of lysergamide & acetaldehyde under physiological conditions (ie a way to get much more & better psychedelic activity from any lysergamide extracted from seed sources)

Meaning you don't have to reflux them together for hours to get the product. You just mix them together at normal physilogical temp, pH etc & voila, you get an equilibruim set up between it and lysergamide/acetaldehyde. If you can preceiptate it from soln while leaving the lysergamide in soln it could be almost a quantitative production

(the original info is in TIHKAL about p320 - the chapter on ergolines)

On hypothetical LSH creation--I haven't had a chance to hypothetically try it yet but sherry wine can be found for about $5 and it is around 17% alcohol content and has high acetaldehyde content. firegod420 added 100ml or about 3 to 4 oz. No need to go over this amount--you don't want to increase the sedative effects of LSA as it is allready a sedative. I once did the MG faq over at erowid with 10 grams in 3 oz everclear, it put me to sleep no fun.

Firegod420:

Seems this does do alot more, its alot more refined, clean, less body high all mind high.. i extracted 700 riveas into 100 ml of lemon juice , 50ml water .. that sat 9hrs in the fridge(water stayed the color of lemon juice but smelled like alkaloids) i filtered and added 100ml of sherry wine and that sat 6hours..

A buddy and i sampled 12ml of this and the effect is way different from just eating the seeds or just a simple water extract..

No body feelings AT ALL, not even the normal body buzz.. just a extreme lsd like head and abstract thoughts, better sense of understanding.... Real soon i am def going to try a large dose ..I Feel GreaT...I will no longer do it any other way.....my friend says the same

Also from Firegod420:

Yet another positive RUE and MG combo has been reported from a close
friend of mine... He did no extraction and just crushed and ate both and to
my surprise no nausea(smoked alot of trees which def had a adverse effect
on that) an a complete mind blowing trip, heavy visuals both
OEV and CEV were reported and a intense education...

I feel my big Trip day is coming soon with all these new methods i have
learned and tested... the Caapi + LSH combo i think will be one of the
greatest.. full report coming soon on the expierence few days time..

FeveredDreams:

I've only tried rue+HBWR, never MG or rivea. However, with 5 seeds HBWR and 2g rue I had an extremely visual, extremely euphoric +3 for 12 hours. All for less than a dollar. I use a cold water extraction to speed up the process of getting it in me, then eat the seeds too, taking the rue in capsules.

Gracie and Zarkov write on harmala + LSD:

Subjectively, the dose feels three to four times more potent than it actually is. The closed eye imagery is greatly enhanced with circular highly visible bright imagery visible on only 25 [sic] micrograms. On higher doses (150-200 micrograms) there was a feeling of an ancestral presence (we have never felt an outside presence on LSD alone in over several hundred acid trips but we have found it quite common when LSD is combined with another psychedelic).

The closed-eye patterns were "almost visions". That is to say they were clearer than hypnagogic imagery but not as overwhelming or clear as DMT visions. The visuals were more like clear dream imagery. The mood elevation was quite astounding. At one point one of us shouted "You couldn't possibly have a bad trip on this stuff." There were no mood swings and the buoyant elation slowly receded to baseline over the course of the trip.

I feel the effects would be more enhanced by using caapi in place of harmala since caapi also contains a lot of THH (tetrahydroharmine) which is a serotonin, dopamine, and faint nor-adrenaline re-uptake inhibitor. It keeps you awake and alert. Taking low to mid dose caapi feels like you are in a hot tub somewhat too. THH--might even in theory counteract some of the sedation from LSA. THH has been known to potentiate and extend the life of DMT. Harmala contains only trace amounts of it. I've been preparing 1 kg of caapi extract that should be ready in a few days--they are 1-gram 'caapi balls' that can be swallowed. The caapi has been vacuum filtered thru a funnel with cotton balls to get out all nausea causing sediment, then the solution reduced on the stove to 2.5 cups which are then evaporated down on a pyrex dish with fan blowing over it to get the extract which is scraped up and formed into sticky 1-gram balls. The balls can be swallowed with water--you get to bypass the harsh bitter taste and eliminate the nausea caused by sediments--only a few balls or 'buttons' are needed and can be stored in a freezer in a jar. I've had incredible closed eye hypagnogic visions (like silohuettes or looking at reflections on black marble) on high dose caapi alone--imagine if you used low to mid dose caapi with the ergolines contained in the seeds. Using high dose harmala is more likely to make you very sick before you get to the visions (when used all by itself). But it's all good--you can choose your preference. Converting the harmala to the shorter acting harmine instead of harmaline is a good idea when using peganum harmala as Firegod420 did.

If anyone hypothetically tries any of this...proceed with caution in dreams as there have been no human studies done on this compound--it is a natural product found in the seeds (but even with mild extractions) it comes apart and is then found in low amounts...but if this works even a little bit--then more of it is being produced. This may explain why some people get greater effects by eating the seeds--but you will never find me eating seeds -- I have no desire to experience intense nausea and cramping. Hermes also said that when he performed bad extractions, he got nausea, cramping, etc...but also noticed that the psychedelic potential was decreased considerably by the side effects of the non-polar crap. When he performed good CWE's, he got none of that--just good psychedelic effects depending on quality, freshness, etc.

[tregar]

I'll be hypothetically trying a small amount (about 30mL or 1 gram out of the total resulting 9 oz extract) again, but this time it will be the LAH labile adduct condensation product compound extract. A friend is driving me to a club that plays house music all night, will see how it goes. An 8 gram extract will be prepared in dreams (it's easier to grind a large amount of seeds in a coffee grinder rather than just a few or it won't powder down). I won't be drinking at the club. The only alcohol consumed would have been the 3 to 4 oz of sherry earlier added to the CWE and spun for a few hours. Don't ever take a mid to high dose of any psychedelic compound then go out in public, I have years of experience with these things and know what constitutes a very low dose for me--and how I react to it. Always work with a very low dose at home a few times so you can gauge the effects--it's best to stay home anyways. The dose that is being prepared (30 ML) is a very low dose used for its recreational effects. At low to mid to high doses these things can quickly become serious. The set and setting has changed from a shopping mall to a nightclub this time. LOL.

Here's the procedure in dreams:

Method:

1) Hammer then grind 8 grams of seeds to a fine powder in low-light conditions (candle, or 40 watt red light pointed against a wall).

2) Put seed powder into an empty family sized tea bag. Staple it shut. The shamans did pretty much the same thing except they put the meal into a linen bag that they would dunk in cold water.

3) Add 50mg of 99% DL tartaric acid powder (it is very fine) to the spring water. Since it is racemic, it won't change the chirality of the compounds...D taratric acid powder can also be used if you can find it. Measure the ph, it should be around 3.5. Buy some ph paper for a few bucks. Tartaric acid is ph = 1.0 so don't use very much of it...this is much less...yes I said 50mg only...this is a TINY amount...it is much safer to use 2 teaspoons of lemon juice instead added to 16oz of water if you don't have a scale that measures in 10mg increments...both will get you to 3.5 ph in the water. Don't use tap water as chlorine destroys LSA's on contact.

So either: 2 teaspoons of fresh squeezed lemon juice (citrate) or only 50mg of tartaric acid. Citrate or tartrate doesn't matter. Both amounts will give you ph=3.5 in 16 oz of spring water.

4) Staple the tea bag shut then dunk it in 16 to 20 oz of ice cold spring water (a mason jar is perfect).

5) Screw the mason jar shut then put it in the fridge to soak for 1 hour.

6) Every 10 minutes shake the jar really well then swirl it, then put it back in the fridge.

7) After 1 hour take the jar out of fridge and remove the tea bag--throw it away (it contains oily, stringy non-polar crap)

8) Take the solution and blend it up in a blender for a few minutes. This serves to chop and stir up the white polar material that falls to the bottom while in the fridge.

9) OPTIONAL: vacuum filter the solution through a funnel with cotton balls (may not be necessary at all) but it serves to get out any shell or other course fibers that may have slipped into the extract.

10) Draw up 10 mL in a long pipette and put it front of a four foot long blacklight. Observe the glow color.

11) Drop a few drops from the pipette onto dry white cotton. Observe the glow color.

12) The liquid should fluoresce bright bluish/white.

13) If the liquid glows yellowish/green or not at all there could be contaminants in the water (non-polars) or you might have inactive or weak seeds.

14) Keep the jar in the fridge and out of light when not in use. Do not expose the entire jar to the blacklight--UV light, heat, oxygen, etc. decomposes ergolines. However, now that they are tartaric salted slightly, they may not decompose as fast (this is assuming the ergolines are in their freebase form in the seeds--some say they are, but some say they are in a salted form in the seeds). If someone can give me a definate answer on this--please do.

15) optional: add 3 oz of sherry to the water (an attempt to re-form some unstable LSH) and let it stir in a blender for a few minutes or leave it on a battery powered magnetic stirrer in the fridge for a few hours--let it mix together for a while. If anyone can lend me a fast atom bombardment machine, I'll let you know how much LSH if any is being formed. LOL. I don't suppose home depot rents those.

16) Draw up about 10 to 30mL off the top into a long pipette for hypothetical testing in dreams.

[tregar]

I had to avert the testing as I noticed an escape hole in the tea bag I used at the last minute before it was time to go, by then it was too late to re-do the extraction.

I had prepared an 8oz CWE extract last night but when I stapled the tea bag shut, I left an opening by accident (should have used 2 staples and an additional fold over) and a bunch of the stringy oily non-polar crap exited the bag into the water during shaking of the jar..so I averted that attempt. It was easy to notice, when I took the tea bag out of the jar, it had oily stringy stuff all over the outside of the bag...not good...it normally all stays in the inside of the bag if stapled shut properly. The shamans constructed a bag out of linen that the seed meal was put into while it was soaked in cold water. The tea bag normally works very well, but always make sure to check that you don't overfill the bag, do a few folds at the top, and staple it shut properly before dunking it into the water for the 1 hour soak with frequent heavy shaking.

So I ended up taking a hit of very old acid blotter from a friend instead. Will be re-doing again using just a plain CWE using teabag again with/without caapi next attempt.

I can vouch for my friend herme's teabag invention...it works very well...when a 1 hour extraction is done with it (along with vacuum filtering thru cotton balls in a funnel that I do to get out any stray shell & non-polar fragements that may have escaped the tea bag) you get a crystal clear water extraction (that glows bluish-white) with millions of white polar active salty looking alkaloids in the jar with no discoloration. Just 30ML sampled from it was a nice time. If you look closely you can see some of the white polar salty material floating in the water as the jar was agitated slightly before it was set on the table.

From 'The Psychedelic Review' back in the 60's..."A uterine stimulant effect of extracts of morning glory seeds" (see maps for the study):http://www.maps.org/psychedelicreview/

Tests by Savage et al (14) have shown that low doses (20 to 50 seeds) are capable of inducing "beginning imagery" and that higher doses (100 to 500 seeds) show distinct LSD-like effects. They produce spatial distortions and visual and auditory hallucinations as well as other effects characteristic of LSD.

It is known that the kykeon also contained (besides an ergot extract) mint. The mint used in Greece was Mentha Pulegium (pennyroyal)

Tryptophan and indole derivatives (such as our hypothetical LSA) form adducts with "aldehyde" type structures: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=002...2-W&size=LARGE
So this is something worth looking into when looking at the theoretical re-formation of d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide.

Natural sources of acetaldehyde:

Acetaldehyde has a widespread natural occurrence. Acetaldehyde occurs in nature as an intermediate product in the respiration of higher plants and can be found in ripening fruit such as apples. Also, acetaldehyde is an intermediate product of fermentation of alcohol and in metabolism of sugars in the body. It may form in wine and other alcoholic beverages after exposure to air. It naturally occurs as a result of forest fires, volcanoes, animal wastes, and insects. It is a volatile component of cotton leaves and blossoms. Acetaldehyde occurs in oak and tobacco leaves and is a natural component of apples, broccoli, coffee, grapefruit, grapes, lemons, mushrooms, onions, oranges, peaches, pears, pineapples, raspberries, and strawberries. It has been detected in the essential oils of alfalfa, rosemary, balm, clary sage, daffodil, bitter orange, camphor, angelica, fennel, mustard, and peppermint.

Essential oil of mustard and peppermint both contain acetaldehyde...so perhaps the claim by dr poppyseed isn't too far off from the enthogen review 1995 below...but then again I wouldn't believe his claim unless it was confimed by at least one other person.

He seems to be using powdered mustard seeds such as coleman's that you buy in a small tin can at the grocery store for a few dollars and mix with water to make stuff like hot chinese mustard--when you do that, then you get a reaction from the sinigrin in contact with myrosin in an aqueous solution which at a temperature not above 70° C. (158° F.) is readily decomposed into allyl-mustard oil named Allyl isothiocyanide, or volatile oil of mustard, dextrose, and acid potassium sulphate, according to the equation C10H16NS2KO9+H2O=C3H5NCS+C6H12O6+KHSO4. At and above the temperature named, the activity of the myrosin is destroyed. Ground mustard seed was very popular back in ancient times--cultivated by the Egyptians, 'mustard' as we now know it was invented by the Romans & Greeks, used medicinally even by Pythagorus.

Ally isothiocyanal = C4 H5 NS or ---> CH2 CH: CH2 NCS

From Dr. Poppyseed (the entheogen review, summer solstice, 1995):

LSA and Nitrogen Mustards

The new drug created from LSA via nitrogen mustards is definately powerful! Using a quarter teaspoon of hot mustard (use powder and follow the directions on the can) to an amount of HBW extract roughly equal to ten seeds (it will require a little more of the mustard if using raw seed for skin absorption, let sit for about 45 minutes. There is no difference in the absorption rate whether taken through the skin or by mouth!

Effects commence in 20 minutes and visual phenomena should begin in 30 to 45 minutes. There is a marked absence of unpleasant physical side effects. At about an hour one is astonished by the intense visuals, and thought processes are similar to tryptamines. There is little or no sedation, though you might want to lie down. The experience peaks at about 2.5 hours and the trip is usually over around the sixth hour. LSA will readily penetrate the skin without the aid of a solvent. I suspect the nauseating principle also carries through, as I've felt queasy after handling powdered HBW seed. I applied a full dose of HBW extract and hot mustard directly to the veins and the effect was no different than ingesting. For the sake of convenience, I refer to this new compound as NLSA.

Here is my comparison between LSA and NLSA:
LSA: Effects commence in one hour. Queasiness, heaviness of limbs, slight vertigo, visuals giving way to LSD-like effects. Peak in 1.5 hours, followed by sedation, contractions of groin and anal region. Lasts about 8 hours.
NLSA: Effects commence in 25 - 45 minutes. Intense visuals; nearly identical to LSD. Peak at 2.5 hours, giving way to a plateau. over in about 6 hours.

To make individual hits of the HBW/mustard combo: divide HBW extract into predetermined number of doses and mix into each dose a little less than a third of a teaspoon of hot mustard. Let stand 15 minutes, then spread out each dose thinly and put under a fan until dry. Thoroughly mix in a small amount of flour, load into capsules, and ingest at will.

We are really onto something with this new combination and it fits the bill as an easily prepared super-entheogen. The success of this experiment suggests that other entheogens may be enhanced with the nitrogen mustards. I wonder what salvia divinorum would be like as an ointment.

[chimp]

I just ordered some tartaric acid so I can try it properly...haven't given up yet.

I have faith in ya Tregar

[tregar]

If you get a chance, read all the posts by user 'hermes' (over 500 posts) at the lycaeum forum..very smart guy...much smarter than me when it comes to this subject...you have to be a member to use the search function though. He once had open eyed visuals on 300 seeds bought at a local store (might have been fresh). If you ever find very potent seeds, they can be stored in a freezer to keep their potency though for a long long time. His posts on this subject are not only very thorough, but he gives many very detailed trip reports.

I'm having +1 to +2 still though due to not using long enough soaks, not enough agitation/squeezing of the bag, etc...this is not easy for me. Since I'm not squeezing the tea bag enough, I must be leaving behind butt loads of good alkaloids in the single teabag--I should be using 2 or 3 instead--and not overfilling one like hermes saids not to do. Agitate and squeeze that thing I will do next time!

As an aside, the morning glory FAQ over at erowid is an excellent alternative as well--although reagent grade PE is a requirement. I have hypothetically tried it with a small amount of seeds, and it is very nice if followed exactly. It uses a 3-day soak of the 250 to 500 seed meal mush in 1 to 2 oz everclear (tiny dash of tartaric acid can be added to the everclear) in the fridge after the simple defat. Stretchman also had great results with it described here:
http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=13948 (Lucid and Visual Morning Glory LSA Extracts) as did JJJ: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=1519

Orfeo just posted:

Ok - have to say that one of the things I like about MG is that it is not as ferocious mentally and physically as the **D, and yet it seems more visual with closed eyes. Sure, there is still jaw clenching and so on, but it seems far more relaxed in tone...there are long periods where I just want to lie down and bask in the mellow warmth of the MG experience, whereas **D is usually too intense to permit much prolonged loafing around...

Good luck!

[chimp]

My friend usually soaks her and his powdered Psilly for 3 weeks...wonder if a 3 week soak would be beneficial. He/She has confidence that a 3 week soak is the best for psilly. Why not for the LSA of the MG seeds?

[tregar]

Orfeo had great results with a 1-day soak. It will definately get more of the good alkaloids out. Longer soaks get more of the goods out but may increase the amount of non-polar's that get into the drink too. Just have to find a compromise between the two.

I'm currently working with the erowid MG tek again in dreams...will let you know how it goes...did a hypothetical soak of 500 dried seed meal in 2 oz. everclear for 3 days after a defat.

Author K. A. Cole gives a mind blowing trip report with "ergot wine" prepared by an LSD chemist in the book "Lysergic":

Chapter 17 THE BLOOD OF CHRIST

Todd knelt down, holding an ornately decorated gold chalice. A magnificent piece to behold, exquisite. It pulsated with energy, spirituality. "Sherom Teleqot Masecot," he began his prayers in ancient Chaldean, and then moved on to a higher prayer. "Ebatone Neahmeh Nohhoaayow..." the language of the gods. Reverent peacefulness engulfed him as the words came forth. He turned to face me and drank several large gulps. Then bowed his head in silence as he passed me the chalice.

"What is it?" I was totally caught by surprise; we had not planned on tripping for awhile. Things had been far too crazy lately.

"It's ancient wine. Just try a sip."

"I don't know..." I didn't want to have a repeat of my DMT experience. My mind wasn't as prepared as it should be prior to a journey. Also, I had never seen him this spiritual before a trip. He never prayed or used a chalice any other time. Usually he would non-ceremonially weigh out the doses on his lab scale, and then simply pass them out. No ceremony, no prayers. Why the sudden change?

"Just try a small sip. It is time for you to be initiated into the order, you're ready. But I would kneel and say a prayer first if I was you. This one must be taken very seriously." His head bowed slightly but he still kept eye contact.

I was curious so I knelt down, even though my instincts were telling me not to. What order? The brotherhood maybe? And what was in the chalice? It couldn't really be ancient wine, could it? I examined the liquid; it looked and smelled just like red wine. Why not? I cautiously drank a small sip. It was thinner than normal wine and had a woody taste. The most interesting part was the way it tingled as it went down. A warming sensation filled my throat and stomach. "Okay I drank some, now what is it?"

"It's Ergot wine." He smiled slyly, knowing he had gotten one over on me.

"ERGOT WINE! Oh my God!" I was in shock. "Ergot can kill people. I wouldn't have taken it if I would have known what it was. It's St. Anthony's fire! It can make you lose body parts if you touch it! Oh, my God!" My head was spinning. How could he have not warned me?

"I knew you would react like this, that's why I just told you to drink it. You get so afraid sometimes. There is no need to be; you are safe." A slight giggle escaped from his lungs.

"Are you sure it's safe? Where did you get it?" My heart was racing.

"I made it when I was younger. I did an alcohol wash of the ergot fungus with the wine. Then I corked the bottles up and stored them. The ergot fungus will feed on the sugars in the wine, giving it the woody taste. I let them age for about ten years. It is best to wait a little longer, but I felt it was an appropriate time to open one anyway. Every year it ages, it will become a little less potent and easier to control the dose."

"How do you know what a safe dose is?" I was skeptical.

"Ergot is a fungus and a precursor for LSD. Ergot is interesting because we really don't know what happens to the alkaloid concentration over time. It moves around, changes. So the dose is guesswork."

"Isn't Ergot what Socrates used to take at Eleusis?" I thought it was kind of cool to be taking something that the founders of our democracy used to take, but that our current democracy has made illegal.

"Yes, except for he did a water infusion of the ergot, instead of alcohol."

"I can feel it already." I took a deep breathe but couldn't ease my anxiety. "My chest feels tight and my heart is racing." My heart had never beaten that fast. "My hands feel like they're going numb. Are you sure I am going to be okay?" As I lay back onto the floor, to relax my chest became tighter, heavy. I started coughing and gasping for air. Time passed, I don't know how much.

"Here take a Valium. You will be alright, just breath sweety." He handed me the pill. Then picked up the chalice again and kneeled down beside me. He took several large gulps. After it was empty, he turned it upside down to show me that there wasn't any left. "See it's safe. You only drank a sip! Look how much I took!"

"But you can handle a lot more than me; you are three times my size!" I weighed about 110 pounds and stood about 5'8".

Todd on the other hand was a giant at 6'5", weighing somewhere around 275 pounds.

"Come on, let's go lay down on the bed where it is more comfortable." He reached down and grabbed my hand, helping me up off the floor.

The visuals were really starting to kick in now. They were thick and heavy like my breathe. Dark colors, red, purple, and blue. They overtook me; I could no long see my hand when I held it up in front of my face. A different world existed inside of me. A liquid oceanic playground for the mind. Would I come back from this space? Spiraling thoughts that made no sense. Fear of the unknown. Would I be okay?

My chest still felt heavy but I sat upright which seemed to make it a little better. My heart started to throb slightly. Every few breathes, I felt a sharp twinge along with the throb. Was the ergot causing the chest pain or was I? Was I having an anxiety attack? How could I tell the difference between a real pain and one that I manifested with my mind?

Instinctually, I started to chant my calming mantra, "Telelelelah-luu Letetwah," over and over again. I rocked with the words. "Telelelelah-luu Letetwah." I held my hands up, palms facing each other in prayer. The L's rolled off my tongue and took on new depth. They sounded like the echo of a thousand birds flapping their wings in the air. The mantra held me and kept me safe, like when a mother holds a child. I was going home to safe territory.

I began to sing songs from my soul, rooted deep within the divine. The songs carried me away with them, teaching me about the universe. At one point I saw the double-helixes of DNA swirling out of my mouth along with the words. Language gave birth to being. That's how I interpreted it anyway. Time was dilating. How long had I been floating on the breath of the universe:

Todd came into the room as I was floating back. "Oh, don't stop sweety. It's beautiful."

I was unsure about singing in front of him, so I backed off a bit. I chanted for a while, trying not to make a fool out of myself. I had to sound like a crazed lunatic, singing gibberish! Every now and then I would look over at him trying to gauge his reaction. He was sitting up, facing me, and getting very into it. His reaction was similar to Half-pints reaction. They were actu*ally enjoying it! When I would stop he would look up disappointed, and think 'start again or 'keep going'. This went on for a while as time slowed.

I started to see holographic symbols, floating in a circle around Todd's head. I had never seen symbols before in a trip. They were translucent almost like glass. Empty space had taken on a form. They constantly rotated, allowing me to see all of their sides. A few of them looked like symbols from the zodiac. Others looked like Sanskrit, or Arabic. Some I have nothing to compare them to. Where did they come from? What did they mean?

Events started to become circular. "I feel like am singing, seeing, and going to the same places over and over again."

"Oh, you're stuck in the loop! It will just keep going, and eventually you'll come out of it." He lay back and closed his eyes.

Around and around I went, time was a circle.

Over and over and over again. Over and over and over again. Over and over and over again. Over and over and over again. Over and over and over again. Over and over and over again.

Finally I popped out the other side. It felt like eons had passed. I lay down beside Todd, cuddling up close to him. He and I were one, one body, one mind. We no longer needed to speak; linguistic devices were a hindrance to us now. We knew each others thoughts as we thought them. We could feel the depth of each other's love. It is an incredible gift from the universe to feel existence with no boundaries or doubts. One soul, at home once again.

We felt as if we knew everything, all the knowledge of the universe was at our fingertips. We were at the top of the cosmos, the simultaneous beginning and end, the eternal godhead. We could see in all directions at once.

My future and past were connected to my dreams. I started having unusual dreams around the age of eight. These dreams would reveal a sequence of events in my future. They were easy to distinguish from normal dreams because they had a different texture. More real. However, I never could tell when in the future they would occur. It could be in one month or two years. Whenever the event sequence did happen though, it felt like a deshavoo. I could see now that this phenomenon was me remembering who I am. Me remembering who and what we all are, divine co-creators.

Then the loop happened again. Around and around and around I went. Over and over and over again. Over and over and over again. Over and over and over again.

Again I came out the other side. This little voice in the back of my head, kept saying "your heart isn't beating right." It was strange. I felt as if my heart would sort of stop and I would roll out, far out into the ocean of the divine. Then I would feel/hear a loud bang and it would start beating again, really fast this time. I would in turn surf back in on the same wave that took me out. This whole sensation happened several times. I rolled in and out with the waves of universal consciousness.

It turns out that Todd actually was beating on my chest. But he didn't tell me about it until I came down. I guess my heart really was stopping, or at least slowing down! I think this is the closest I have ever been to death. There was safety in death, total security. Death is nothing more than a shift of cosmic life energy. Fear filled me and then I would let go, sort of release myself to it. My new/old form, God, overtook me. Love and happiness held me tight. It is almost like a caterpillar hatching out of its cocoon and turning into a butterfly.

"Here sweety, chew this up. It's another Valium. Your heart is beating way to fast. You need to calm down. Try to take deep breathes."

"Okay." I couldn't really talk; I was too high. I tried to breath, deep and slow. It seemed to help a little. I was afraid of overdosing. "It feels like my heart is stopping."

"You're okay, just breath. And drink some of this juice to keep your blood sugar up." He handed me a glass and watched to make sure I didn't drop it.

I drank some of the juice and cuddled up next to him again. How long had we been tripping for? I felt like I was ancient, floating on the cosmic time/space folds. Time and space are illusions, only here for our amusement. At the base of all being we are all one evolving consciousness. And we are all incarnations of that same self-reflecting divinity.

Out of all my journeys, ergot was my most difficult. Conversely, it was my most productive and therefore my best. I had had experiences before that seemed like near death. This time I really felt like I died. When Todd was pounding on my chest, it really felt like my heart was stopping. Despite the fear that it aroused in me, it brought me a sense of calmness. I know what death feels like! It isn't bad at all!

The chalice and prayers peeked my curiousity. Why had he done it this time and no others? What was the meaning of it all? He was so careful with his words, his humble demeanor, and even how he held the chalice as he drank. I had seen communion in church before and knew symbolically this is what he had meant by it all.

Now there's someone that I wouldn't mind sharing a glass of ergot wine with

Wine also contains low amounts of acetaldehyde (CH3CHO) so I wouldn't be surpised if the fungus was able to synthesize more of the d-lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide while it was in there. This compound is shown in a pic from "LSD my problem child" by Dr. Hofmann. d-lyseric acid hydroxyethylamide is a labile (unstable) adduct formed by the addition of LSA & acetaldehyde (found in the plant seed). The compound (a labile adduct) tends to come apart even with mild extractions. Its structure is very similar to LSD in that the N,N-diethylamide group is replaced with an N-(1-hydroxyethyl)amide in D-lysergic acid α-hydroxyethylamide. Looks to me somewhat similar to LAE-32, whose human effects look promising at 1.6mg and above: http://www.erowid.org/library/books_...tihkal26.shtml

[tregar]

Yet another account of a cold water extraction of actual ergot from wild rye, quite an amazing thread! http://www.entheogen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8998

[hiimt0ny]

maybe he died?

[tregar]

No, he did not die! As a matter of fact, he found the experience more intense than HBWR, MG or mushrooms...with fewer side effects and nausea than MG or HBWR. The "sedation" or "drowsiness" present with MG was also not apparent.

You can get poisoned if you eat ergot...CWE means "cold water extraction"...you see the good alkaloids are cold water soluble but the bad toxic alkaloids are non-polar or not-soluble in cold water. But still nobody should every try this.

[tregar]

Hypothetically, the feline found the effects of the extraction resulting from the Erowid MG faq by trakman to be more powerful than the CWE prepared previously.

Perhaps the feline did not give the previous CWE time enough to soak, or did not agitate or squeeze it enough before. Perhaps the single tea bag was overfilled and most of the good alkaloids stayed in the bag.

A beginning defat was done with reagentgradePE for 30 minutes with plenty of shaking...the discolored fat solution was then discarded properly.

After hypothetically consuming just a few milliliters of the resulting 2 oz eveclear soak of 500 super fine powdered seed meal after 1 day soak (2 days remaining in the total 3 day soak) the feline finds the effects pronounced with no sedation. I'm having difficulty typing so will refrain for now...effects pleasant, relaxing, euphoric and insightful, with a hint of visual activity from just 5 or so ML out of the total 80ml sample.

All light and heat was kept out of the extraction. Only a 40-watt red light pointed at a wall was used for brief periods when light was needed.

Otherwise, the jar was kept cool and light proof sealed with foil all around it in the fridge.

A light proof evaporator with brushless inlet and outlet fans was used for 6 hours to evap the reagentgrade PE outdoors from the dried seed meal until it was thoroughly dry. Then the dried seed meal was put into 2 oz of everclear (with 50mg DL tartaric acid powder added) in a light proof jar to soak for 3 days in fridge. PH of everclear solution reads 3.8.

Full results will be known next week in dreams when the feline sips more in dreams.

[firegod420]

sounds like a good technique

i hear you can clean that with 99% IPA 2-3x

evaporate and rewash

then freeze IPA/LSA tincture and crystals will fall out making 85% pure alkaloids

I will be doing some testing tonight....

Whats good tregar!!


From someones post at a different forum:

spectralmagic
(Enthusiast)
Sat Feb 24 2007 04:47 PM

LSA extraction

LSA is the backbone of all lysergic acid amides (LSD, ergotamine, etc), and is psychedelic in and of itself. Erowid can do as good a job describing it as I can, so go look it up there (under morning glories or hawaiian baby woodrose). It stimulates the serotonin 1 and serotonin 2 receptors with moderate affinity for the serotonin 2a receptor in particular. I suspect it also has affinity for histamine receptors due to its somewhat sedating effect.

Dose: 0.5-5.0mg orally, eat a light meal about 2 hours prior to reduce nausea. NOTE: this is the dose of *pure* LSA, if you decide not to process it all the way to purity the amount of extract required goes up substantially (several hundred milligrams, depending on purity).

The first few steps of this extraction are quite simple, similar to an acid/base extraction. Further purification requires a little skill.

WARNINGS:
- naphtha fumes are toxic and highly flammable, isopropanol fumes are flammable, do this in a well-ventilated place or outdoors, with no source of flame or sparks (eg: light switches, electric motors/fans) nearby. Don't smoke nearby.
- isopropanol is toxic when ingested, be sure that your extract is completely dry before eating it. If you don't trust that you can do this, don't do the purifications.

NOTES:
- LSA is heat and light sensitive. I suggest working with a red light (the least damaging wavelength of visible light). NEVER use heat to help things evaporate faster.

You will need:
- morning glory seeds (I recommend the Heavenly Blue strain) or hawaiian baby woodrose seeds
- lab-grade petroleum ether
- isopropanol (from the pharmacy, they call it rubbing alcohol, it must be the 99% variety
- distilled water (from the grocery store, it *must* be distilled not mineral)

Step 1: defatting the seeds
- grind up 100g of morning glory seeds or 25g of hawaiian baby woodrose seeds as finely as possible
- Place the powder in a jar you can seal, add 250mL of naphtha, seal, and shake. Shake it again a few times over the course of an hour.
- After an hour, let the seed powder settle out then pour off the naphtha and discard (but do so in an environmentally friendly manner, don't just pour it down the drain or spread it out on the ground, if you can't think of a good way to dispose of it arrange some sort of safe way to burn it away)
- Add 250mL more naptha, and repeat the previous step
- Add 250mL more naptha, and repeat the previous step, for a total of 3 washings
- Spread out the powder on a cookie sheet and put in a cool dark place and let it dry thoroughly until there's no smell of naphtha
Typical yield: n/a, the powder will weigh almost as much as it did before defatting

You could stop right here and eat the powder (if it's from morning glories about 10g, hawaiian baby woodrose about 2.5g), the defatted seed powder will produce much less nausea and gastrointestinal distress than the raw seed powder, however you can do better!

Step 2: performing a crude extraction
- Place the defatted seed powder in a jar you can seal, add 250mL of distilled water, and shake. Shake it again a few times over the course of 24 hours. Store it in your fridge when you're not working on it.
- After a day, filter the mush through a coffee filter, save the water and store in the fridge
- Put the mush back in the jar, add 250mL more distilled water, and shake a few times over the course of 24 hours. Store it in the fridge when you're not working on it.
- After a day, filter it again, saving the water and adding it to the water you collected the previous day
- Put the mush back in the jar, add 250mL more distilled water, shake a few times over the course of 24 hours, storing in the fridge when not in use, etc.
- Filter the mush one last time, saving the water and adding it to the collection, this time you can throw away the seed mush.
- Pour the 750mL of water extract into a glass baking dish or tray, and put it in a dark room, with a fan blowing across the surface of the water to help it evaporate faster
- Once all the water has evaporated, use a razor blade to scrape up the thin film of resin that's left behind on the bottom of the tray
Typical yield: 2-5g of LSA-containing resin

You could stop right here and eat the resin (if it's from morning glories about 500mg, hawaiian baby woodrose about 200mg), honestly this extract is pure enough for most purposes with very little nausea or other side effects, however you can still do better!

Step 3: purifying the extract (you start losing some LSA at this point)
- using a razor blade, chop up the resin until it's as fine a powder as you can get it (this is difficult as it likes to stick to itself)
- Pour 50mL of isopropanol into the smallest glass container you can find that you can seal, and add the resin powder to it
- Shake occasionally over the course of an hour
- Filter the isopropanol/resin mixture through a coffee filter, saving the isopropanol. What's left of the resin you can either discard, or dry it and eat it (it contains a bit of LSA), or save it for the next time you do this extraction and just add it to the seed powder at the beginning.
- Put the filtered isopropanol in your fridge overnight, to let any suspended solids fall to the bottom
- In the morning, pour off the isopropanol into a glass baking dish or tray leaving any solids behind in the jar.
- Evaporate the isopropanol in a cool dark room, NO FANS!
- Once all the isopropanol has evaporated, use a razor blade to scrape up the thin film of LSA-containing residue that's left behind
Typical yield: 100-200mg of extract that's about 10% LSA

You could stop right here and eat the extract (about 10-20mg), the major impurities are sugars and don't change the experience in any way, however you can *still* do better!

Step 4: further purifying the extract (you start losing a lot of LSA at this point)
- using a razor blade, chop up the extract as fine as possible
- Pour 5mL of isopropanol into some sort of small, narrow container (a test tube if you have one), and add the extract powder to it
- Shake constantly for an hour
- Let it stand in the fridge for a few hours to let the solids fall to the bottom
- carefully pour off the top of the isopropanol into another small narrow container, leaving the solids behind
- Put your decanted isopropanol into the freezer for a few hours. A small amount of small crystals should form (I'm talking a really small amount).
- make as tiny a filter as you can out of a coffee filter
- scrape the insides of the narrow container you have the isopropanol/crystals in so any crystals stuck to the glass come free, then pour it all through the tiny filter
- the remaining few mL of filtered isopropanol can be discarded, or evaporated and the residue eaten (it contains a lot of LSA), or saved for the next time you do this extraction and used as the isopropanol in this step.
- save the crystals, dry them in a cool dark room for a few hours, then store in an airtight glass container in your freezer
Typical yield: 5-10mg of ~90% pure LSA

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What's up firegod420! Good to see you here...excellent post...very nice indeed...these tips and pointers are much appreciated when dreaming. I will be reading and re-reading this.

Erowid MG faq: http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning...lory_faq.shtml

Evolution of alkaloids: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=1519

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