some of my lowryder pics at 7 weeks

[shitsplash]

There seems to be a lot of interest in these plants, followed your thread on lowryders hippy and to be honest they didn't look like lowryders at all. I will be picking these in a couple of weeks time. In pic 05 you can make out one plant that has been pollenated in centre left. Seeds are just starting to form on it.

[~Hippie3]

my indoor LR were certainly the real deal
and the outdoor ones came from my own seed i bred
so they too were legit,
but maybe the originals weren't as pure as i thought

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My pics didnt appear for some reason ??

[~Hippie3]

i see them OK

[suckerfree]

keep us updated...

[golly]

Boy, they really are compact...What is the normal Germ-harvest time on these..?

[shitsplash]

From sprout to finish in 60 days but sometimes I give them an extra week or two . I leave the lights on 20 hours a day, these are under 1 150 watt metal halide and two 70 watt metal halides. The beauty of these autoflowers is I can put plants in and take them out in rotation, every 10 days or so I put 10 new seeds in, after about 20 days I can see the males so I remove them (maybe keep 1 for germinating purposes) then I get an average of 5 plants every 10 days. Yeild is average 7 grams dryed per plant. All in a space 100cm wide 70cm deep and 70cm high. Suits me fine.

[golly]

Excellent...So how stable would the growth characteristics be for the next generation and so on, from seed...?

How do u rate the buzz..? Thanx

[shitsplash]

Excellent...So how stable would the growth characteristics be for the next generation and so on, from seed...?

I select the most promising male and female and go from there. So far so good

How do u rate the buzz..?

The buzz isnt the strongest but its what I'd describe as a "doing buzz", I can go about my daily bussiness with a happy smile on my face. This lowryder is Lowryder #1. There is a lowryder #2 which is lowryder #1 crossed with Santa Maria, a Brazilian strain which has superior yields to Lowryder and is supposed to be a stronger buzz.

[SharkieJones]

Wow great looking plants.

[shitsplash]

Well the saga of lowryder continues. If anyone can correct me please feel free. I know that lowryder is an F1 hybrid but didn't really understand what F1 meant. After a bit of googling I'm a bit more wised up on genetics, it seems that the F1 hybrid seeds are the result of breeding 2 unrelated pure strains, and if the resulting F1 seeds are grown and bred the result is seeds that are F2, then F3 and so on. I've noticed lately that yields aren't as good and plants seem smaller and are growing with less vigour so I decided to buy some Lowryder#2 F1 hybrid seeds. This is where people (me included) don't properly understand autoflowering varieties. From what I understand ... If you intend to breed it is best to select the best F1 phenotypes for breeding and then use these resulting F2 seeds for your first proper grow, when the seeds are used up, obtain some more F1 hybrid seeds. But, in order to stabilise this breed one would have to keep back breeding F2 F3 F4s etc with the original F1 mother, seeing as it is not possible to clone the mother ( cloning is impossible on autoflowering varieties) this would be an impossible task.

Cannabis Pure-breds: traditional land races that have only interbred with similar cannabis strains and so have almost identical genes.
Or
Cannabis Stabilized Hybrids: Hybrids that have been created by breeders but then continually inbred until their characteristics are stabilized from generation to generation. Very few strains are stabilized hybrids as this takes considerable time for breeders to achieve.
So when someone offers you some autoflowering seeds make sure you know what generation the seeds are. I have 200-300 seeds that Ive accumulated that Im going to be planting in some deserted place just to see what happens

[PsyEntist]

Nah, Lowryder is definitely not an F1, but a result of much inbreeding and backcrossing.

The whole autoflowering thing is completely stable, can't go wrong.

Of course if you're going to try to breed them, you want to pick the best strains, but if you know anything about breeding, you'll be using at least 100 plants.

The Lowryder 2 with the whatever maria genetics cross seems sweet, in a sativa sort of way, but the masterlow hybrid of lowryder is a truly "dank" and potent strain.

As far as the (official) seeds you buy, any autoflowering plant crossed with another produces auto seed.

I've grown them for a while, they seem all that one would need, and once you get the things down, breeding to other strains is easy enough.

[catfish]

i was told that the lowryders
that i have are not stable
that F2 gen would be mixed phenos
luckily
i am getting soem ruderalis beans
so i can make my own
F1 hybrid

[PsyEntist]

If they are the Joint Doctor's Lowryders, or Lowryder #2, then they are completely stable.

The Lowryders are mistakenly called F1's, even on the highbred site, too, I think, but they are certainly bred for years, and backcrossed to make them stable.

They are even hermaphrodite-free, according to the Joint Doctor, and all who have grown them.

Masterlow is the strongest Lowryder hybrid (that is completely honest as to it's lineage, unlike the Low Life seeds which walk around the origins...) available.

A ruderalis hybrid will definitely not show F1 autoflowering beans. Even the F2s are known to not show many autoflowers. Once you do get some, youhave to back cross to get stability. Some real sativa-like strains won't even accept the autoflowering gene, or so it's told.

So you've got a few years of work ahead of you...

[cheshire]

only 7 grams?

[~Hippie3]

they're small plants,
a natural consequence of auto-flowering at a very young age.
basically just a single cola, so a qtr. ounce dry isn't too bad.
the lowryder is meant to be ultra-stealthy ultra-fast and able to
flower under erratic light regimen,
some sacrifices were made to get that.

[cheshire]

considering all those its actually quite amazing

[Paradox]

I like both but yield is supposedly higher from joint doctors lowryder number 2 strain

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lowryder#2 at 53 days

[~Hippie3]

she looks ready to smoke.

[bluefungis182]

hows the smoke lowryder #2

[shitsplash]

we all love it, much much better than the original lowryder, and its not started its cure yet. Look at the crystals, this was taken at day 41 from seed.

[golly]

Really nice top SS...Sure looks potent too...