Chamber Grow #2 from Clones

[Dipole]

Goal: get 2oz dry bud per plant.

The plan is grow 2 plants using a larger 25gal Rubbermaid Grow Chamber. This aluminized chamber has 2.25sq.ft. and uses 10 100W CFLs and a desktop fan It has 30” of vertical space.

Rubbermaid 25gal.jpg

It can hold:

4 - 2/3gal pots
2 - 1gal pots.

The pot footprints that will fit are:

1 - 15.5” diameter
2 - 9.25” diameters
4 - 7.25” diameters.

The plants will be vegged in this and then moved to 18gal chambers for flowering. Each plant will flower in its own 1.5sq.ft. chamber.

Two Sadhu clones and two bagseed clones have been rooted and were transplanted into 2/3gal pots. The soil is 2 parts potting soil, 1 part worm castings, and 1 part coarse perlite. These plants will be LST trained this time. In the spirit of Mycotopia half the plants will spiral clockwise, the others will spiral counter clockwise. This will keep things balanced and centered.

When space gets tight, 2 plants will be selected to grow to completion. Flowering will be 3 weeks of 14/10 light schedule and the remaining weeks, 5, of 12/12 schedule. The 14/10 schedule will induce flowering and supply more light to offset the poor light quality of CFLs.

Four plants started vegging under a 24/0 light schedule today. The clones are old but newly rooted. They have been through hell but look good with lots of small tightly packed leaves.

Plants #1 and #2 are Sadhu by Mandala, plants #3 and #4 are bagseed from the previous grow. The Sadhu is good smoking, the bagseed has not been tried. One of the Sadhu has a good root ball already.

Pix will be posted tomorrow.

[Dave_the_stoner]

Damn dipole, you have been coming along great as a pot farmer. When are you gonna break down and buy a good HID system?
peace

[Dipole]

You're the devil!

[Dave_the_stoner]

Originally Posted by Dipole

You're the devil!

The last time someone told me that, it was by a catholic priest (true story).

[Dipole]

And what were you tempting the poor bastard with?

[Dave_the_stoner]

Nothing, I was just walking through a junkie and crackhead part of town, walked by a catholic church, and the preiest started telling me what a terrible person I am, and how if I didnt walk into his church right then that I was gonna burn in hell for all eternity!
Now how the fuck is a priest gonna walk up to the only decent person on that street and start talking all that shit? So I started telling him what an ignorant fuck he is, one thing led to another, and thats what he said as I walked away, "You are the devil!", I was laughing my ass off!

[Dipole]

You call him an ignorant fuck and now your the Prince of Darkness. What an asshole. What am I saying?

[Dave_the_stoner]

Back on topic, I like your grow chamber design. Very stealth, and made from easily obtainable resources. I may make a similar chamber to keep mother plants in. Shit it would even be great to keep a few males, to select the best for breeding purposes.
peace

[Dipole]

See post #1.

25gal Chamber Outside.JPG

25gal Chamber Inside.JPG

New Grow 8-8-07.JPG

[Dipole]

Progress pic of the clones.

Grow 2 8-13-07.JPG

One is checking out, good thing it is the badseed.
The seedling didn't make it. The watering man let things get a bit dry over the weekend.

[SharkieJones]

How far is the light away from the clones? Are you moving the plants up and down?

[Dave_the_stoner]

How well rooted is the bagseed clone? She looks sad.

[Dipole]

These clones were not rooting in my POS water setup, so I planted them and kept them for a week or so under a single CFL 5" away on 24/0. When I transplanted I decided to crack open the soil ball to see if there were any roots. One didn't have roots where the other had theirs. It was a bagseed but I wasn't sure which one.

Poor bagseed dude had better do something quick.
Well I like the Sadhu variety more.

[Dipole]

Originally Posted by SharkieJones

How far is the light away from the clones? Are you moving the plants up and down?

The plants are about 1" below the CFLs, and each plant is roughly centered in its own set of 3 CFLs.

The plants are moved up and down. The bottom rubbermaid container is not rigged up yet so the top half with the lights is sitting on a table. The plant's pots are sitting on a 5" thick box right now. As the plants grow the box will be changed out with books and boxes of varying thickness.

A 12" ruler with a thin stick attached at right angle to the ruler's end is used as a simple height gauge. When the foliage is about 1" above the stick it is time to lower the plant(s).

In a few weeks, if the plants grow as expected, 2 plants will be selected and transplanted to 1 gallon pots. These will spend at least a week in the big chamber and then the plants will be moved to their own chamber for flowering.

[Dipole]

Progress report. Plants #1-3 made it, plant #4 never rooted. #1 and #2 are Sadhu clones, front and rear right.
MJ2-4 8-17-07.JPG
MJ1 8-17-07.JPG
MJ2 8-17-07.JPG
MJ3 8-17-07.JPG
I think the plants were being heat stressed. Yesterday I put a deflector on fan output to divert the air flow sideways across the top of the chamber to keep hot air from accumulating.
The current grow and future grow schedules. Subject to change without notice!
A red line shows current timeline position.

Grow Chart.jpg

[Dave_the_stoner]

You know Dipole If I were a DEA agent lurking through the forum, I would look at that chart and get ready to kick your door down durring week 44.
No point in letting "Them" know the optimum time to bust you. Or maybee I'm just paranoid.

[Dipole]

You are right. The schedule will change though. Compared to some of the pix seen around here, this is small potatoes.

[Dave_the_stoner]

Thats how I see my own activities as well. I figure when a bunch of people vanish from the forums, it'll be time to call it quits.
Also I have never taken pictures, I figure it would make me look real stupid in a court room.

[Dipole]

I wonder what our knowledgeable host thinks about this.

[~Hippie3]

i think dave needs to
stop passing his paranoia around.
i think if he knew the law
he'd know better than to believe
that a picture posted on the 'net
is any kind of legal evidence,
it's not even probable cause.
i think the DEA could not be bothered
to read the hundreds of posts made here every day,
as well as the thousands posted daily elsewhere,
it'd take a dozen full time agents just to read
thru all the crap like he just posted.

[suckerfree]

Originally Posted by Dipole

Compared to some of the pix seen around here, this is small potatoes.

are you talking about me?

[Dipole]

BTW, I think it is cool how the dark color came back to the leaves after the heat stress was removed. You can see some of the leaves dark green on the tips and lighter in the middle. Yesterday the leaves were all light green.

Thanks for the post hippie.

[drtask]

hey Dipole, can you take a pic of that ruler with the stick in action? great idea, i want to see just visual rep though.

[Dave_the_stoner]

Sorry for spreading my paranoia.
peace

[Dipole]

Sure. I will try to do a series of pix showing plant adjustment.

[Dipole]

Here is a grow chamber plant height measurement.
Use a 12" ruler and a right angled straight edge, in this case a tube of 4011 surface mount ICs. A stick will work good too if you have one those.

This plant shot up over the weekend. It is a good two inches too high.
Plant Too High.JPG

Here is a plant in a normal grow chamber bottom. It is too low.
Plant Too Low.JPG

Now it is adjusted higher. It looks a little high from the camera angle. Close enough.
Plant is Closer.JPG

The CFLs are 13.5" up from the chamber rim. So setting up the plant tops around 0.5" above the measuring gauge puts the plants 1" below the CFL level.

Plant looks happy.

[Dipole]

Here are pix of the latest grow.
MJ1-3 8-22-07.JPG

This plant is not happy.
MJ3 8-22-07.JPG

There is green algae growing in the saucer. Too much water, I will let it dry out.
MJ3 Green Slim 8-22-07.JPG

Will a drying out kill off the algae? or do I need to do something more?

[~Hippie3]

algae will grow anywhere there's water and light.
just block the light and no algae.

[Dipole]

Does the algae cause any problems or is it an indicator of something else like too much water?

[~Hippie3]

it's an indicator of light on a wet surface,
that's pretty much it.
harmless as far as the soil mix goes
since it only grows on the surface
a bit more problematic for hydro growers
as it can plug/block drains, filters and pumps.

[Dipole]

Right. Thanks. I am trying to get that plant to get going. I can see color coming back into the plant. The other plants look good so I am wondering if there is something I am doing to make the third plant unhealthy. Maybe I have a crappy clone.

[~Hippie3]

proly over-watering
most common mistake there is
but too much water displaces the air from the soil
harming the root structure.
you should alternate between wet-dry,
a plant won't immediately die if it runs out of water
so there is no need to keep it saturated.
let it dry a bit then space out the waterings
so it gets a little dry
before wetting again.

[Dipole]

Thanks for the help and for your patience. You have told me to let the plants dry a bit before.

[Dipole]

The grow so far. 3 weeks since planting clones.

MJ Grow #2 8-28-07.JPG

1 bagseed to the left, 2 Sadhu to the right.
LST is being done. I have to be careful to keep
the main stem higher, the other stems are out
growing it.

CFL burns can be seen, no problem.

[~Hippie3]

[Dipole]

Plants #1 & 2, Sadhu, got re-potted 8-30-07 to 1 gallon containers. They are now occupying the big chamber. #3, bagseed, is in one of the smaller chambers for now. I will grow for now, maybe take second generation clones later.

The side branches of #1 & 2 have been pulled down and spread out. The main stem will hopefully grow faster.

[Ras Asad]

Very Niice dipole bro!!! Lookin good! How did you like the Sadhu?? That was one of mandalas that I wanted to try, is she a keeper?? hashy taste? Any flower shots mate? or I may have missed them elsewhere..ill go look.. lol.. yeah, let them dry a bit, like hippie said... ppl over water them more than any other mistake. Keep up the good work bro, Bless, Ras

[Dipole]

Pix of selected and transplanted plants.
MJ1-2 Grow #2 Side 8-31-07.JPG

MJ1-2 Grow #2 Top 8-31-07.JPG

Ras, see "What do you Think" to see Sadhu, plant #3, in its final days. I like Sadhu. It smells different from the pot that I was familiar with. Potency is good for me, how it shapes up to the herb grown around in these parts beats me. The Hippie's Brown Paper Bag Cure worked good with the small quantity that I harvested.

The high is kind of uppy, I have a tendency to keep on my feet rather than couch lock. Seeds came via Dr. Chronic. The_Other_Chap turned me on to both, thank you sir.

[Dipole]

I am seeing preflowers on the Sadhu plants. They look like normal females. So the flowering that occurred while the clones were trying to root did not mess up the plants.

In 4 days the plants go on 14/10 lighting. I am thinking of cloning the plants again for the next grow and putting off planting a new strain for another month.

[Dipole]

Sadhu plants #1 and #2 have been moved to their own 18 gallon chambers and put on a 14/10 light schedule. They will stay on 14/10 for 3 weeks and then go on a 12/12 schedule.

The plants had to spend a day in a dark hiding spot due to an inconvenience.

3 cuttings were taken from #1 and 4 cuttings from #3, bagseed, and have been put in the new Folger's-Coffee-Container-Bubble-Cloner. Thanks Dave_the_Stoner for the idea.

Plant #3 has been cut up for leaf. The health of this plant was not good. The clones will probably be a waste of time, but I will give them a chance.

Pix on Friday.

[Dipole]

Plants #1 and #2, 5 weeks of veg, now on 14/10.

MJ1 Side 9-14-07.JPG

MJ1 Top 9-14-07.JPG

MJ2 Side 9-14-07.JPG

MJ2 Top 9-14-07.JPG

[Ras Asad]

Niiice Bro!! these are the ones bein kept in the rubbermaid eh?? I might have to try a couple moms liken that , Thanks Bro! Bless

[Dipole]

Sadhu plants #1 and #2. 1 week into flowering, 6 weeks since planting clones. 14/10 schedule.

Plant #1
MJ1 Side 9-21-07.JPG

MJ1 Top 9-21-07.JPG

Plant #2
MJ2 Top 9-21-07.JPG

MJ2 Side 9-21-07.JPG

[the jesus]

Looking nice, I can't wait to start flowering. Hows the smell?

[Dipole]

This variety must not be too smelly compared to others. It got a room fragrant, but I was also flowering a bagseed jobbie that was stronger smelling. This time there will be 2 Sadhu plants maturing at the same time. I will be able to answer this question better in 6 weeks!

The bagseed bud smokes up stronger smelling than the Sadhu bud. The Sadhu doesn't smell the same as the stuff I smoked before. I like it just because it doesn't have a familiar smell and so is not as noticeable.

Also, Plant #1 has preflowers that can be seen in the first pic. OK girls, who's the bigger slut?

[the jesus]

How are the girls coming along Dipole?

[Dipole]

Dang, I didn't plan on taking pix of the young ladies today. I will post pix next Friday, maybe sooner. I am trying to spread the branches out and even out the height of the tops right now. I have upped the nutes a bit, the color is looking pretty good. I hope I can get them to turn into bushes that fit snug in their chambers.

I hope their clones are rooting, I haven't had the courage yet to find out.

BTW, thanks for asking.

[the jesus]

Sorry to rush ya! I just put mine into flower and I am all jacked up to see pics of buds is all.

[Dipole]

Too bad. It will be few weeks before it starts to look fun. I have to say that these plants are amazing. They can be bent and broken and do just fine. The plants bush out fast in response to the training too. I also think it is so cool how you can see the color move across the leaves in response to N.

They are like summer squash. They make you feel like a seasoned gardener. Your balls drop and you let off a Tarzan yell. Well sort of.

[Dipole]

The plants are now on a 12/12 schedule.