Grow #4, Hashberry from seed

Dipole · 10-23-07, 18:13

2 Hashberry seeds planted in 12oz cups with potting soil. Seeds are planted 1/4" deep and covered with plastic film.

Dave_the_stoner · 10-23-07, 19:24

I'll be watching.

darknezz7 · 10-26-07, 00:56

me too,

check out my seedlings.

the jesus · 10-26-07, 01:01

I'm pulling up a chair for this one. Good luck Dipole.

Dipole · 10-30-07, 16:40

One seed germinated and is having a hard time shedding the shell. The other seed didn't germinate so another seed was planted. The seeds are not as fresh as hoped.

Sunstar · 10-30-07, 17:56

I have seen pictures of the Hashberry being a very purple flower.Nice choice
What kind of lights are you going with and what method did you use for your germination?

Dipole · 10-30-07, 18:10

The grow will be done in Rubbermaid chambers with CFLs. The seeds were just planted in potting soil about 1/4" deep and covered with plastic wrap. Mandala's site recommended this because their beans are fresh. These beans are not from Mandala directly, so their age is unknown. Seedlings usually pop out in 4 days.

pneuma9 · 10-31-07, 14:25

dipole, when you clone, you just take a cutting, dip in rooting hormone then just stick in dirt?

Dipole · 10-31-07, 17:00

I haven't done that yet, I have been trying, unsuccessfully, to clone in water. I have then given up and taken the poor cuttings and just plant them. Four out of six rooted.

Next time I will do as you say, dip in rooting hormone and then plant into potting soil.

brodus · 11-01-07, 15:55

Cool, I will be following this one. I will be popping some Hashberry myself in a couple months. Good luck!

Dipole · 11-02-07, 13:33

Dang guys. The beans that have been planted so far are not sprouting. One has but the tip is not growing, it looks like a deformed sprout. There are only 2 beans left, Monday and Tuesday will be the days they should sprout if they are going to. Hashberry is looking like a bust.

the jesus · 11-02-07, 13:43

Dipole · 11-02-07, 14:38

Kind of a bummer because I also have some Mandala #1 beans that are just as old.
I better take good care of my mama clones.

Dipole · 11-05-07, 14:32

The last two seeds germinated! One didn't get under light fast enough, so it took a big stretch. The seeds came up in 3 days! They are under 1 CFL right now, hopefully they will get happy soon. Then there is the sex problem...

dizzydank · 11-05-07, 14:34

if the little plants are stretching more than u want, when u transplant bury it right up to below the first pair of leaves.

Dipole · 11-06-07, 14:40

Wow thanks for the tip Dankside, I would not have done that. Thanks for looking into the thread, I appreciated it.

Dipole · 11-08-07, 19:25

Well after all the posts and talk, pix of the plants are here.

MJ1-2 Grow 4 11-8-07.JPG

Two hashberries. May one of them be a female. You can't tell from the picture but 1 has around of 1" of stretch under soil, the other has 2" under soil.

They are under 1 CFL right now. Why is there never enough lighted space?

procell · 11-08-07, 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dipole

I haven't done that yet, I have been trying, unsuccessfully, to clone in water.

Have seen good success with this H2O/Gel system.

1. Presoak growth medium, soil plugs/rockwool, or get your soil cups ready.
2. using small nail (not more than 3Xs the diameter of the limb in question) enlarge the hole to almost the bottom. This helps keep more gel on the cutting and makes it easier to break thru at the bottom.
3. Gently squeeze some of the water out
4. Place limb in water and cut
5. Still under water, gently scrape the sides of the stem with an exacto/razor blade and remove any large leaves.
6. put the cloning gel as close to the cutting as possible, dip into and swish in the gel.
7. gently place the stem into the plug.

Almost no shock this way

Dipole · 11-09-07, 02:26

Thanks procell, I will try it out, and pretty soon too. How long does it usually take to root?

procell · 11-09-07, 10:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dipole

Thanks procell, I will try it out, and pretty soon too. How long does it usually take to root?

Since the stalk is so close to the bottom of the plug, roots have been seen usually in 1-2 weeks

mate0x · 11-09-07, 11:21

Every time I have grown from seed, I allow them to float in a solo cup with distilled water. Up to seven days later.... if they pop....then I plant them. And the results have been astounding. Next time your giving the from seed a go, give it a try. We toss them under t5 shop lights and they are usually above ground in another 2 days....this really helps if the seeds are not as fresh as you would like.

As for the stretching....burying the stem will help... but the real disadvantage to the stretch is a waste of energy during the night cycle, and not just the stem will begin to stretch(as i'm sure you know). Longer paths take more time. The CFL's should be cool enough, once the plants are firmly established, to keep them as close as possible to the plant....the only true way to help the stretching is with ...

... penetration with a higher intensity light....but your growing with CFL's and not a halide so that is a moot point.

And an addon to procell's idea.... an old hippie from ME who always had gorgeous mothers...and helped a brother out...suggested this to me..

Mix powdered root hormone into the water you are going to use to pre-soak the medium...more score marks the better....and still use the gel directly on the cutting.

Looking forward to seeing your beauties...*crosses fingers* for your females.

Is this bagseed... or from a source....?

procell · 11-09-07, 11:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by mate0x

And an addon to procell's idea.... Mix powdered root hormone into the water you are going to use to pre-soak the medium...

I prefer to use a little superthrive since it's less caustic

mate0x · 11-09-07, 12:40

mmmm I'll give that a try next round :-)

Dipole · 11-09-07, 13:00

These seeds are Mandala Hashberry right out of the package. I got them indirectly so they were not fresh. The stretch was due to not having the cups under CFL light when they sprouted. I was not around when they sprouted and the alternate caretaker was not paying attention.

Now if I wasn't such a cheap bastard I would have bit the bullet and planted all 5 seeds at once and gotten the bad news sooner.

Dipole · 11-15-07, 03:18

They got moved to the vegging chamber. 5 CFLs all there own. I hope they presex easy.
Once again I would like to get one male to collect some pollen. Does anyone know how late into flowering can pollination take place and still produce mature seed?

Ras Asad · 11-15-07, 04:39

you need at least 3-6 weeks for seeds to mature, strain dependant.

Dipole · 11-16-07, 20:50

The plants are very indica looking, broad leaves. They are looking fat and happy. Burying the stretched stems worked great.

procell · 11-17-07, 01:55

As far as the cloning discussion goes,
The guy at the hydro store also recommended filling the hole in your grow plug with cloning gel before inserting the cutting. It seems like a good idea as well.

Ras Asad · 11-17-07, 02:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dipole

The plants are very indica looking, broad leaves. They are looking fat and happy. Burying the stretched stems worked great.

yeah bro... and the part of the stem you buried will grow roots as well.... which can in turn make better plants due to more roots to supply the plant

More anchorage as well.

Dipole · 11-17-07, 03:02

Yeah, they might be taking off soon. Hopefully they veg up quick, and establish a staggered grow schedule. With a little luck a plant will mature every month. That will be cool.

procell · 11-17-07, 17:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by procell

As far as the cloning discussion goes,
The guy at the hydro store also recommended filling the hole in your grow plug with cloning gel before inserting the cutting. It seems like a good idea as well.

I no longer think this is a good idea. Leaving them in a larger pool than needed slows water uptake and causes wilting. The previously posted tek with the cutting just going into the cube had no wilting.

I also found this:

Too much rooting hormone can actually lower your success rate, Using Rooting Hormone to Increase Success of Rooting House and Garden Plant Stem Cuttings

Dipole · 11-17-07, 17:51

I followed the instructions on the packet of rooting hormone. I removed all the big leaves, cut the stem end at a bias, under water, and dusted all the stem that will be under soil. I punched a hole all the way to the bottom of the moistened soil(so roots might show sooner) dropped the cutting in with at least one node buried, and lightly packed the soil around. The little suckers got a short soak, a drain, and into a lighted area.

alounacara · 11-17-07, 18:27

Just using rooting powder works damn good, Ive never had the gel before
I havent ever had a clone die on me using rootone
I have always just used my regular soil mix when cloning

procell · 11-17-07, 18:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dipole

I followed the instructions on the packet of rooting hormone.

That should work just fine. The one advantage of the gel is that you can slide it out of the water into the gel and the air never touches the cut. That's why it's done underwater, the cut is SUPER Sensitive to Any air at all. Cut flowers never root . . .

Ras Asad · 11-17-07, 22:31

Ive never used gel either alounacara....

just powder and soil, or a bubbler....very simple...never took cuts under water either..... havent lost any either.....in over 11 years....

really nobody I know in person who grows ever cuts them under water and dont have probs...

shits over rated homie.. LOL..

guess if ya dont know tho ya wanna be xtra careful..

procell · 11-18-07, 00:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ras Asad

LOL.. guess if ya dont know tho ya wanna be xtra careful..

Only got 6 sites for clones, want to be extra careful

SharkieJones · 11-18-07, 00:37

Great looking forward to the results. Waiting until after the holidays for my own , last batch of Masterlow didn't work out so well.

Dipole · 11-18-07, 01:24

Hey Sharkie, good to see you around here.

You know Ras, I think that doing the cut underwater might not be so important either. The cut underwater is to allow a microscopic amount of water to fill into the cut tissue by capillary action. This prevents an air bubble from breaking the fluid transport into the stem end. Possibly great for cut flowers, but not necessarily important to getting roots to bud out of the nodes.

I just saw a show that talked about our dislike to rely on the unknown, so we do what we think we know even though the known isn't better or worse. Its an evolutionary adaptation to the fear of being eaten live. So thats why I cut the stems underwater. But now that

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10-23-07, 18:13	#1 (permalink)
Dipole Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 951	Grow #4, Hashberry from seed 2 Hashberry seeds planted in 12oz cups with potting soil. Seeds are planted 1/4" deep and covered with plastic film.

10-23-07, 19:24	#2 (permalink)
Dave_the_stoner Fuckin' Drunk! Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 411	I'll be watching. __________________ "He who makes a beast of himself, gets rid of the pain of being a man." -Dr. Johnson

10-26-07, 01:01	#4 (permalink)
the jesus mayor of boozeville Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,579	I'm pulling up a chair for this one. Good luck Dipole. __________________ No left turn unstoned newbie? - click here

10-30-07, 17:56	#6 (permalink)
Sunstar Gazer of the innerself Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,105	I have seen pictures of the Hashberry being a very purple flower.Nice choice What kind of lights are you going with and what method did you use for your germination? __________________ I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round, how I love to watch them roll ~John Lennon~

10-26-07, 00:56	#3 (permalink)
darknezz7 Mycoentrepreneur Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 200	me too, check out my seedlings.

10-30-07, 16:40	#5 (permalink)
Dipole Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 951	One seed germinated and is having a hard time shedding the shell. The other seed didn't germinate so another seed was planted. The seeds are not as fresh as hoped.

10-30-07, 18:10	#7 (permalink)
Dipole Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 951	The grow will be done in Rubbermaid chambers with CFLs. The seeds were just planted in potting soil about 1/4" deep and covered with plastic wrap. Mandala's site recommended this because their beans are fresh. These beans are not from Mandala directly, so their age is unknown. Seedlings usually pop out in 4 days.

10-31-07, 14:25	#8 (permalink)
pneuma9 Resident Deviant Join Date: Apr 1971 Posts: 211	dipole, when you clone, you just take a cutting, dip in rooting hormone then just stick in dirt?

10-31-07, 17:00	#9 (permalink)
Dipole Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 951	I haven't done that yet, I have been trying, unsuccessfully, to clone in water. I have then given up and taken the poor cuttings and just plant them. Four out of six rooted. Next time I will do as you say, dip in rooting hormone and then plant into potting soil.

11-01-07, 15:55	#10 (permalink)
brodus Mycophiliac Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 88	Cool, I will be following this one. I will be popping some Hashberry myself in a couple months. Good luck!

11-02-07, 13:33	#11 (permalink)
Dipole Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 951	Dang guys. The beans that have been planted so far are not sprouting. One has but the tip is not growing, it looks like a deformed sprout. There are only 2 beans left, Monday and Tuesday will be the days they should sprout if they are going to. Hashberry is looking like a bust.

11-02-07, 13:43	#12 (permalink)
the jesus mayor of boozeville Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,579	__________________ No left turn unstoned newbie? - click here

11-02-07, 14:38	#13 (permalink)
Dipole Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 951	Kind of a bummer because I also have some Mandala #1 beans that are just as old. I better take good care of my mama clones.

11-05-07, 14:32	#14 (permalink)
Dipole Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 951	The last two seeds germinated! One didn't get under light fast enough, so it took a big stretch. The seeds came up in 3 days! They are under 1 CFL right now, hopefully they will get happy soon. Then there is the sex problem...

11-05-07, 14:34	#15 (permalink)
dizzydank damn its humid Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,160	if the little plants are stretching more than u want, when u transplant bury it right up to below the first pair of leaves. __________________

11-06-07, 14:40	#16 (permalink)
Dipole Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 951	Wow thanks for the tip Dankside, I would not have done that. Thanks for looking into the thread, I appreciated it.

11-08-07, 19:25	#17 (permalink)
Dipole Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 951	Well after all the posts and talk, pix of the plants are here. MJ1-2 Grow 4 11-8-07.JPG Two hashberries. May one of them be a female. You can't tell from the picture but 1 has around of 1" of stretch under soil, the other has 2" under soil. They are under 1 CFL right now. Why is there never enough lighted space?

11-09-07, 02:26	#19 (permalink)
Dipole Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 951	Thanks procell, I will try it out, and pretty soon too. How long does it usually take to root?

11-09-07, 11:21	#21 (permalink)
mate0x Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 33	Every time I have grown from seed, I allow them to float in a solo cup with distilled water. Up to seven days later.... if they pop....then I plant them. And the results have been astounding. Next time your giving the from seed a go, give it a try. We toss them under t5 shop lights and they are usually above ground in another 2 days....this really helps if the seeds are not as fresh as you would like. As for the stretching....burying the stem will help... but the real disadvantage to the stretch is a waste of energy during the night cycle, and not just the stem will begin to stretch(as i'm sure you know). Longer paths take more time. The CFL's should be cool enough, once the plants are firmly established, to keep them as close as possible to the plant....the only true way to help the stretching is with ...... penetration with a higher intensity light....but your growing with CFL's and not a halide so that is a moot point. And an addon to procell's idea.... an old hippie from ME who always had gorgeous mothers...and helped a brother out...suggested this to me.. Mix powdered root hormone into the water you are going to use to pre-soak the medium...more score marks the better....and still use the gel directly on the cutting. Looking forward to seeing your beauties...crosses fingers for your females. Is this bagseed... or from a source....?

11-09-07, 12:40	#23 (permalink)
mate0x Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 33	mmmm I'll give that a try next round :-)

11-09-07, 13:00	#24 (permalink)
Dipole Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 951	These seeds are Mandala Hashberry right out of the package. I got them indirectly so they were not fresh. The stretch was due to not having the cups under CFL light when they sprouted. I was not around when they sprouted and the alternate caretaker was not paying attention. Now if I wasn't such a cheap bastard I would have bit the bullet and planted all 5 seeds at once and gotten the bad news sooner.

11-15-07, 03:18	#25 (permalink)
Dipole Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 951	They got moved to the vegging chamber. 5 CFLs all there own. I hope they presex easy. Once again I would like to get one male to collect some pollen. Does anyone know how late into flowering can pollination take place and still produce mature seed?

11-15-07, 04:39	#26 (permalink)
Ras Asad Khenmes Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,856	you need at least 3-6 weeks for seeds to mature, strain dependant. __________________ - Xa Ta Zac Xa Ta Amac -

11-16-07, 20:50	#27 (permalink)
Dipole Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 951	The plants are very indica looking, broad leaves. They are looking fat and happy. Burying the stretched stems worked great.

11-17-07, 01:55	#28 (permalink)
procell OU812 ? Join Date: Apr 1971 Posts: 855	As far as the cloning discussion goes, The guy at the hydro store also recommended filling the hole in your grow plug with cloning gel before inserting the cutting. It seems like a good idea as well. __________________ Anything Posted Is Information From Research. Questions Asked Are For Further Research. Any Pictures Posted Were Found On The Internet. ไหว้

11-17-07, 03:02	#30 (permalink)
Dipole Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 951	Yeah, they might be taking off soon. Hopefully they veg up quick, and establish a staggered grow schedule. With a little luck a plant will mature every month. That will be cool.

11-17-07, 17:51	#32 (permalink)
Dipole Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 951	I followed the instructions on the packet of rooting hormone. I removed all the big leaves, cut the stem end at a bias, under water, and dusted all the stem that will be under soil. I punched a hole all the way to the bottom of the moistened soil(so roots might show sooner) dropped the cutting in with at least one node buried, and lightly packed the soil around. The little suckers got a short soak, a drain, and into a lighted area.

11-17-07, 18:27	#33 (permalink)
alounacara Picktish Texas Style.... Join Date: Jan 1972 Posts: 1,669	Just using rooting powder works damn good, Ive never had the gel before I havent ever had a clone die on me using rootone I have always just used my regular soil mix when cloning __________________ Dont take a tone with me * So hard to please WDYWFM?

11-17-07, 22:31	#35 (permalink)
Ras Asad Khenmes Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,856	Ive never used gel either alounacara.... just powder and soil, or a bubbler....very simple...never took cuts under water either..... havent lost any either.....in over 11 years.... really nobody I know in person who grows ever cuts them under water and dont have probs... shits over rated homie.. LOL.. guess if ya dont know tho ya wanna be xtra careful.. __________________ - Xa Ta Zac Xa Ta Amac -

11-18-07, 00:37	#37 (permalink)
SharkieJones Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,891	Great looking forward to the results. Waiting until after the holidays for my own , last batch of Masterlow didn't work out so well. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyVy5XHjuGI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPMXdc0JNS4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JdhiWmz0BE