outside herb grow - Page 2

hogwild · 03-06-06, 20:26

Glad to see your g13 are doing well siam, obviously your getting some mixed opinions on whether your plants will switch into flowering before its finished with the vegetative growth.... In my opinion your plants will grow fine in your climate, if i were in your situation i might consider starting my plants indoors in the future, but like hip said, why grow indoors when you have perfectly good sunlight for free

Im interested to see how they turn out, im sure they will reach a respectable size before flowering

marsofold · 03-06-06, 20:57

When I write long stuff, I do it in notepad, then copy/paste

siam_jim · 03-06-06, 21:02

yes he would surely be a happy camper if his plants got only 2-3 ft and start flowering, that will be more than enough for him since its for personal use. i also read thru this and i have consider growing the first stage of 30 days indoor with 2 flor 24hrs then transfer outside where it will get the 12/12. but for the time being i want to see how this one will end up. also this g13 does have a strong indica/afga influence
peace
siam

cap · 03-06-06, 21:13

beautiful!!
just make sure to keep the flourescent tube bulbs NO MORE than 6cm away from the foliage...any further away than that and they start to lose their effect causing the plants to stretch immensely, toward the light source.
in conclusion:
-Flourescents stay cool, but keep fans going on your indoor plants at all times to keep foliage rustled and prevent burning if the leaves touch the bulbs in case they are hot.
-Keep the bulbs VERY VERY close to the plant's tops...again, 6cm is about as far as you want to go...flours. dont penetrate the plant's canopy very deep at all, so use some supplemental light on the sides to promote lateral branching, early on...
once put outside, those small side laterals with a head start will become main-tops of their own, or at least yield something significant in the end..

if your friend has the time, veg your mostly indica/indicas at least 1 month indoor, under a photoperiod of 24/0 then top at the 4th to 5th node, veg indoor 2-4 more weeks, or until the now expose lower arms have a chance to catch up and form an even canopy, then xplant outdoor to 12/12 (or 13/11, 11/13, 14/10, dont matter) for the remainder of their short-sweet lives..
be well siamjim and best wishes to you and yours
grow on

Hippie3 · 03-06-06, 21:16

the 'new' compact fluoros are handy for putting in ordinary lamps
and placing in the growroom
down low beneath the canopy
& on the sides

Jacsprat · 03-06-06, 21:58

I would also point out when you first move plants started

under floros outside to first move them to a shady area

with no direct sun shine for the first few days

and graduly move them to brighter sun-lit area

so the leaves are not burned by the intence sunlight

The plant will tell you when it's ready i.e. fan leaves turned toward the sun.

or turned away or wilted means I'm too hot

JacSprat

cap · 03-06-06, 23:18

indeed!!! excellent post

some refer to this as hardening-off...
the true definition of hardening-off also pertains to gradually bringing them outside over a period of time, to acclimate them to the brave new world.
think: Cold, Storms, Winds, and as so righteously pointed out above by jac, our good friend mr. sun...
siam's friend should be grateful to live in such a beautiful paradise, and hasnt to worry about most of these things, but DEFINITELY the sun....great post man.
green thumbs, all
be well

siam_jim · 03-07-06, 00:36

thanks everyone for the input. my friend is very pleased with the info. here are some pics of them at about 2 weeks. i think is ok, however there is one that is faster and bigger..saddly i think this maybe a male.
peace
siam

Jacsprat · 03-07-06, 08:19

Can you give us a close up on the leaves?

Impressive so far!

Hippie3 · 03-07-06, 08:24

those plants obviously need no 'hardening'
as they are already outdoors in the sun...

siam_jim · 03-07-06, 08:54

here's the close up...looks more like skunk,,,what you guys think?
peace
siam

Hippie3 · 03-07-06, 09:03

definitely looks heavy on the indica traits...
nice & healthy too
what's on the leaves,
birdshit or splatter from watering ?

siam_jim · 03-07-06, 09:15

kinda went hard on the watering trying to chase the chicken out his yard...lol
siam

Hippie3 · 03-07-06, 09:38

try to avoid that,
water + sunlight can burn your leaves.
water at sunset for best results.

SharkieJones · 03-07-06, 11:44

Nice pics Jim looks like they are on their way.

Jacsprat · 03-07-06, 13:58

Those brought back memeroys of the way my basement used to smell looking at them pics on my 36" T.V.

Wheeeeewwwww!

siam_jim · 03-08-06, 22:47

you know these g13 are getting bigger than he wanted, maybe he should look into smaller strain like LR x ???? ,

this makes me wonder on potency. of course it depends on the strain but how about the light intensity. does it make a difference in potency if a plant was in direct sun light or semi shaded?
peace
siam

siam_jim · 03-10-06, 11:00

here it is, just top it so it can branch out. guess its still too early to determine its a male/female?
peace
siam

hogwild · 03-10-06, 11:56

potency consists of a series of variables, nutrition, light, darkness, temps, and such. closeup pics of where the stem of the leaves meets the center stalk might give a better sexing idea..... i doubt you will be able to sex them right now though. Looking good man, that g13 will make you happy siam.

doodaa man · 03-10-06, 13:19

Hay siam,
two things i look for when sexing my plants. If sure same stock male plants will grow taller and longer space between branches, when outdoors If they all get the same amout of light.
Also look at the node. usually but not always the node will get bigger and more pronounced then male. also the brack at the node will grow longer with females. Not always , but i usually do well sexing my young plants when from seed. It's easy to see the differnce when growing all the same strain.
My friends ask me to sex theirs for them and they keep asking me year to year!

Hippie3 · 03-11-06, 10:48

Quote:

does it make a difference in potency if a plant was in direct sun light or semi shaded?

no, yield might be less but potency is not necessarily.

Hippie3 · 03-11-06, 10:49

Quote:

just top it so it can branch out

that's what i would do.
and don't be in a rush to kill the males,
there'll be time to ID them
and you might want to collect some pollen

siam_jim · 03-11-06, 22:15

i don't know it seems like it's starting to flower, i see something that looks like a pod, maybe it's wishful thinking,
sorry the pic is so crappy

Hippie3 · 03-11-06, 22:30

male 'flowers' look like little bunches of oblong grapes,
american-style 'footballs'

siam_jim · 03-16-06, 00:43

so what you all think..is it a girl? or still too early...sorry expecting daddy here. looks like a football with one red hair strand. 2nd pic is more clearer

peace
siam

bullfrog · 03-16-06, 02:17

hey bro' ,

let mo' nature be your light and don't trim !!! pull um' down with string. you will be fine. bllfrg

peace brol

hogwild · 03-16-06, 03:21

are those pix of the same plant siam?

hogwild · 03-16-06, 03:24

im going to say male but dont chop it up quite yet. Let someone who is less stoned identify.

siam_jim · 03-16-06, 06:17

yes those pics are of the same plant....man he hopes it's not but as you say lets wait...worst to worst he can store the pollen to cross it with some LR....
peace
siam

Jacsprat · 03-16-06, 09:38

MY MONEY WOULD BE ON MALE.

I knoticed on one of the pics of the lower leaves
the leaf edges were curling up.
Try putting the plant in the shade a see if this stops (sun lite might be to intense)

siam_jim · 03-16-06, 09:43

shit his luck it would be. hey hip way isn't the board notfying my email that my post got a response??

peace
siam

Hippie3 · 03-16-06, 09:46

we had to disable the email function here
during the hacker attack.
zen hasn't re-enabled it yet.

Hippie3 · 03-16-06, 09:48

that does look like a male pre-flower
but that doesn't necessarily mean a fully male plant,
could be a female with mild hermaphroditic tendencies...

siam_jim · 03-16-06, 20:54

ok here is the other plant, it's quite smaller than the rest. looks like it needs some ferterlizer?
peace
siam

Jacsprat · 03-16-06, 21:00

The good news is that plant is a female...

congrads on your new baby girl!

siam_jim · 03-16-06, 21:16

daget its so small he can't even see where he can take a clone? looks like have to go the the shop to get some bat poo....ALSO would it be ok to transplnt it to another pot at this stage!!??
peace
siam

Jacsprat · 03-16-06, 22:02

Those are the pre-flowers
the flowering stage hasn't really started yet. (The pre-flowers are single flowers an really only help tell the sex and are not where the buds form)
The buds will form on the branchs growing out from the main stem below where you topped it. (Still got a ways to go.)
I'd water it with a lil manure tea,if the leaves are a pale green. it's hard to tell
if it needs any in the sun lite.
your female may seam small compared to the others
because their males. the males grow a lil faster and taller so they can spread pollen farther kinda like the pollen at the top of a corn stalk.
Just give it more time. Now that you know which one is female you can devote more attention to her
Your first biggest and best seed plants usually are males. We all go through this.
Remember patience. This is a learning experince,
your not gonna be a pro your first time out.

How big is your flower pot now?
let those side branches get a few inches long and transfer to a 5 gal. container or hole in ground.

I've gottin three ounces of dry bud in a three gal.
container under a 1000 watt HPS lite start to finnish before using fox farm ocean forrest and moracizzal
fungi. The strain was mighty-mite from kind seed.

siam_jim · 03-17-06, 00:01

they are in clay flower pot not more than 2 gallon. just came back from the garden shop got some bat poo and ash, going to mix soil and make some tea....hehe..good still have a way to go.
peace
siam

Hippie3 · 03-18-06, 00:15

hey i grew mighty mite, not a bad strain.

siam_jim · 03-18-06, 10:45

ok now i have the female. when and how far do i separate the male? don't want to kill it. need the pollens for some experment crosses..

siam

Hippie3 · 03-18-06, 10:51

ok, you'll need to move it , exactly where depends
but you want to ensure that no winds carry the pollen
so in another room or on the other side of the house, etc.
if you must keep them close, you can place loose bags over
the male flowers to trap the pollen.
you should move shortly after you see the first pollen sac,
they can open quick and even just one, if the wind catches
can seed many females so better safe than sorry.

Hippie3 · 03-18-06, 10:56

your pic http://forums.mycotopia.net/attachme...5&d=1142560402
now your close-up, classic female pre-flower, 400% size by photoshop

siam_jim · 03-23-06, 03:59

so here it is after a week or so, the same female, he decided to rid the males and leaving just all female some of which will be use to cross with LR... wonder how much longer he will need to wait to start taking cuttings? also he has some 100% extract fertilizer it reads 8-24-24, would it be ok to use this to help with flowering.
peace
siam

Jacsprat · 03-23-06, 07:01

Thats some high power ferts. there. Use it sparingly

at first when you get into the second week of flowering. (I'd personal stick with the guano and worm castings, better tasting herb)

it's about time for a bigger container to.
3 to 5 gal. or hole in ground.

you'll need a light if your gonna take cuttings.
you can take a cutting now from one of the longer branches but I'd wait a couple weeks. Every time the plant is topped or cut ,it sets it back a week or two
which is bad because of your short veg. period in your case because of the amount of day light
13/11. You don't want to cut from your main bud producing branches or the smallest. Try taking a cutting from an area that is too crouded to help
with letting light in in the future.

A FOAF when growing inside would prun his plants so
each one would have four main branches evenly spaced.
so the plant would be lighted uniformly.

Hippie3 · 03-23-06, 08:16

i like to cut on the lowest branches
which will be shaded into low yields anyway.

siam_jim · 03-23-06, 08:40

yeah he thinks he should wait a week before doing any clones. He has dry black guano! rather use organic anyway, how would you suggest diluting it? 1 cup to how much h20?
peace
siam

Hippie3 · 03-23-06, 08:46

for ferilizer tea ?
no such thing as too much,
i'd use 1 cup per gallon
or you want metric ?

Jacsprat · 03-23-06, 10:36

also use your "Tea" you mix in the next couple of days.

It somtimes wants to ferment.

A FOAF use to use one cup jamacan guano to 2 1/2 gal
H2O and half tea spoon Super Thrive. (plant steroids)

siam_jim · 03-23-06, 10:44

hummm at this stage i would guess he would not leaf feed them as it can damage or rot the flowers??
peace
siam

MurCurY · 03-23-06, 10:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hippie3

ok, you'll need to move it , exactly where depends
but you want to ensure that no winds carry the pollen
so in another room or on the other side of the house, etc.
if you must keep them close, you can place loose bags over
the male flowers to trap the pollen.
you should move shortly after you see the first pollen sac,
they can open quick and even just one, if the wind catches
can seed many females so better safe than sorry.

some guy down the way gets some of that pollen on his...gets seeds....is pissed...grows them....

is VERY happy

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03-06-06, 20:26	#51 (permalink)
hogwild Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,087	Glad to see your g13 are doing well siam, obviously your getting some mixed opinions on whether your plants will switch into flowering before its finished with the vegetative growth.... In my opinion your plants will grow fine in your climate, if i were in your situation i might consider starting my plants indoors in the future, but like hip said, why grow indoors when you have perfectly good sunlight for free Im interested to see how they turn out, im sure they will reach a respectable size before flowering __________________ Trouble ahead, trouble behind, And you know that notion just crossed my mind.

03-06-06, 21:13	#54 (permalink)
cap ~~ confusion's prince ~~ Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,559	beautiful!! just make sure to keep the flourescent tube bulbs NO MORE than 6cm away from the foliage...any further away than that and they start to lose their effect causing the plants to stretch immensely, toward the light source. in conclusion: -Flourescents stay cool, but keep fans going on your indoor plants at all times to keep foliage rustled and prevent burning if the leaves touch the bulbs in case they are hot. -Keep the bulbs VERY VERY close to the plant's tops...again, 6cm is about as far as you want to go...flours. dont penetrate the plant's canopy very deep at all, so use some supplemental light on the sides to promote lateral branching, early on... once put outside, those small side laterals with a head start will become main-tops of their own, or at least yield something significant in the end.. if your friend has the time, veg your mostly indica/indicas at least 1 month indoor, under a photoperiod of 24/0 then top at the 4th to 5th node, veg indoor 2-4 more weeks, or until the now expose lower arms have a chance to catch up and form an even canopy, then xplant outdoor to 12/12 (or 13/11, 11/13, 14/10, dont matter) for the remainder of their short-sweet lives.. be well siamjim and best wishes to you and yours grow on __________________ www.gdradio.net www.phillesh.net "i dont know, maybe it was the roses...."

03-06-06, 21:16	#55 (permalink)
Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,266	the 'new' compact fluoros are handy for putting in ordinary lamps and placing in the growroom down low beneath the canopy & on the sides __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

03-06-06, 23:18	#57 (permalink)
cap ~~ confusion's prince ~~ Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,559	indeed!!! excellent post some refer to this as hardening-off... the true definition of hardening-off also pertains to gradually bringing them outside over a period of time, to acclimate them to the brave new world. think: Cold, Storms, Winds, and as so righteously pointed out above by jac, our good friend mr. sun... siam's friend should be grateful to live in such a beautiful paradise, and hasnt to worry about most of these things, but DEFINITELY the sun....great post man. green thumbs, all be well __________________ www.gdradio.net www.phillesh.net "i dont know, maybe it was the roses...."

03-06-06, 20:57	#52 (permalink)
marsofold Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 352	When I write long stuff, I do it in notepad, then copy/paste

03-06-06, 21:02	#53 (permalink)
siam_jim Mycotopia Mod Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,853	yes he would surely be a happy camper if his plants got only 2-3 ft and start flowering, that will be more than enough for him since its for personal use. i also read thru this and i have consider growing the first stage of 30 days indoor with 2 flor 24hrs then transfer outside where it will get the 12/12. but for the time being i want to see how this one will end up. also this g13 does have a strong indica/afga influence peace siam

03-06-06, 21:58	#56 (permalink)
Jacsprat Mycophage Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 103	I would also point out when you first move plants started under floros outside to first move them to a shady area with no direct sun shine for the first few days and graduly move them to brighter sun-lit area so the leaves are not burned by the intence sunlight The plant will tell you when it's ready i.e. fan leaves turned toward the sun. or turned away or wilted means I'm too hot JacSprat

03-07-06, 08:19	#59 (permalink)
Jacsprat Mycophage Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 103	Can you give us a close up on the leaves? Impressive so far!

03-07-06, 08:24	#60 (permalink)
Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,266	those plants obviously need no 'hardening' as they are already outdoors in the sun... __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

03-07-06, 09:03	#62 (permalink)
Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,266	definitely looks heavy on the indica traits... nice & healthy too what's on the leaves, birdshit or splatter from watering ? __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

03-07-06, 09:15	#63 (permalink)
siam_jim Mycotopia Mod Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,853	kinda went hard on the watering trying to chase the chicken out his yard...lol siam

03-07-06, 09:38	#64 (permalink)
Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,266	try to avoid that, water + sunlight can burn your leaves. water at sunset for best results. __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

03-07-06, 11:44	#65 (permalink)
SharkieJones Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,110	Nice pics Jim looks like they are on their way.

03-07-06, 13:58	#66 (permalink)
Jacsprat Mycophage Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 103	Those brought back memeroys of the way my basement used to smell looking at them pics on my 36" T.V. Wheeeeewwwww!

03-08-06, 22:47	#67 (permalink)
siam_jim Mycotopia Mod Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,853	you know these g13 are getting bigger than he wanted, maybe he should look into smaller strain like LR x ???? , this makes me wonder on potency. of course it depends on the strain but how about the light intensity. does it make a difference in potency if a plant was in direct sun light or semi shaded? peace siam

03-10-06, 11:56	#69 (permalink)
hogwild Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,087	potency consists of a series of variables, nutrition, light, darkness, temps, and such. closeup pics of where the stem of the leaves meets the center stalk might give a better sexing idea..... i doubt you will be able to sex them right now though. Looking good man, that g13 will make you happy siam. __________________ Trouble ahead, trouble behind, And you know that notion just crossed my mind.

03-10-06, 13:19	#70 (permalink)
doodaa man Eating @ da Y VIP style Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 371	Hay siam, two things i look for when sexing my plants. If sure same stock male plants will grow taller and longer space between branches, when outdoors If they all get the same amout of light. Also look at the node. usually but not always the node will get bigger and more pronounced then male. also the brack at the node will grow longer with females. Not always , but i usually do well sexing my young plants when from seed. It's easy to see the differnce when growing all the same strain. My friends ask me to sex theirs for them and they keep asking me year to year!

03-11-06, 22:30	#74 (permalink)
Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,266	male 'flowers' look like little bunches of oblong grapes, american-style 'footballs' __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

03-16-06, 02:17	#76 (permalink)
bullfrog Mycophage Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 195	hey bro' , let mo' nature be your light and don't trim !!! pull um' down with string. you will be fine. bllfrg peace brol

03-16-06, 03:21	#77 (permalink)
hogwild Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,087	are those pix of the same plant siam? __________________ Trouble ahead, trouble behind, And you know that notion just crossed my mind.

03-16-06, 03:24	#78 (permalink)
hogwild Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,087	im going to say male but dont chop it up quite yet. Let someone who is less stoned identify. __________________ Trouble ahead, trouble behind, And you know that notion just crossed my mind.

03-16-06, 06:17	#79 (permalink)
siam_jim Mycotopia Mod Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,853	yes those pics are of the same plant....man he hopes it's not but as you say lets wait...worst to worst he can store the pollen to cross it with some LR.... peace siam

03-16-06, 09:38	#80 (permalink)
Jacsprat Mycophage Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 103	MY MONEY WOULD BE ON MALE. I knoticed on one of the pics of the lower leaves the leaf edges were curling up. Try putting the plant in the shade a see if this stops (sun lite might be to intense)

03-16-06, 09:43	#81 (permalink)
siam_jim Mycotopia Mod Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,853	shit his luck it would be. hey hip way isn't the board notfying my email that my post got a response?? peace siam

03-16-06, 09:46	#82 (permalink)
Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,266	we had to disable the email function here during the hacker attack. zen hasn't re-enabled it yet. __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

03-16-06, 09:48	#83 (permalink)
Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,266	that does look like a male pre-flower but that doesn't necessarily mean a fully male plant, could be a female with mild hermaphroditic tendencies... __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

03-16-06, 21:00	#85 (permalink)
Jacsprat Mycophage Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 103	The good news is that plant is a female... congrads on your new baby girl!

03-16-06, 21:16	#86 (permalink)
siam_jim Mycotopia Mod Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,853	daget its so small he can't even see where he can take a clone? looks like have to go the the shop to get some bat poo....ALSO would it be ok to transplnt it to another pot at this stage!!?? peace siam

03-16-06, 22:02	#87 (permalink)
Jacsprat Mycophage Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 103	Those are the pre-flowers the flowering stage hasn't really started yet. (The pre-flowers are single flowers an really only help tell the sex and are not where the buds form) The buds will form on the branchs growing out from the main stem below where you topped it. (Still got a ways to go.) I'd water it with a lil manure tea,if the leaves are a pale green. it's hard to tell if it needs any in the sun lite. your female may seam small compared to the others because their males. the males grow a lil faster and taller so they can spread pollen farther kinda like the pollen at the top of a corn stalk. Just give it more time. Now that you know which one is female you can devote more attention to her Your first biggest and best seed plants usually are males. We all go through this. Remember patience. This is a learning experince, your not gonna be a pro your first time out. How big is your flower pot now? let those side branches get a few inches long and transfer to a 5 gal. container or hole in ground. I've gottin three ounces of dry bud in a three gal. container under a 1000 watt HPS lite start to finnish before using fox farm ocean forrest and moracizzal fungi. The strain was mighty-mite from kind seed.

03-17-06, 00:01	#88 (permalink)
siam_jim Mycotopia Mod Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,853	they are in clay flower pot not more than 2 gallon. just came back from the garden shop got some bat poo and ash, going to mix soil and make some tea....hehe..good still have a way to go. peace siam

03-18-06, 00:15	#89 (permalink)
Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,266	hey i grew mighty mite, not a bad strain. __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

03-18-06, 10:45	#90 (permalink)
siam_jim Mycotopia Mod Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,853	ok now i have the female. when and how far do i separate the male? don't want to kill it. need the pollens for some experment crosses.. siam

03-18-06, 10:51	#91 (permalink)
Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,266	ok, you'll need to move it , exactly where depends but you want to ensure that no winds carry the pollen so in another room or on the other side of the house, etc. if you must keep them close, you can place loose bags over the male flowers to trap the pollen. you should move shortly after you see the first pollen sac, they can open quick and even just one, if the wind catches can seed many females so better safe than sorry. __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

03-23-06, 07:01	#94 (permalink)
Jacsprat Mycophage Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 103	Thats some high power ferts. there. Use it sparingly at first when you get into the second week of flowering. (I'd personal stick with the guano and worm castings, better tasting herb) it's about time for a bigger container to. 3 to 5 gal. or hole in ground. you'll need a light if your gonna take cuttings. you can take a cutting now from one of the longer branches but I'd wait a couple weeks. Every time the plant is topped or cut ,it sets it back a week or two which is bad because of your short veg. period in your case because of the amount of day light 13/11. You don't want to cut from your main bud producing branches or the smallest. Try taking a cutting from an area that is too crouded to help with letting light in in the future. A FOAF when growing inside would prun his plants so each one would have four main branches evenly spaced. so the plant would be lighted uniformly.