FIRST MONOTUB WORM CASTINGS VS COCO PINNING

[meku]

hello
made a new thread but this the full story started whit this tread:
http://forums.mycotopia.net/photo-ga...g-dumbass.html (I´M A BIG BIG BIG DUMBASS)
I did a worm casting , coco, verm tub spawn was popcorn ...
all was good , today opened the tub to wipe excess moisture when i was cleaning i saw guess what ?
PINS hurray!!! it is day 19 and she is full colonized and pinning i am so happy , lest see if i dont screw the tub ...
I toked the tub of incubation chamber and put it whit 24 h light .
I´m afraid is too cold for them know...can you tell me what is the ideal temp to fruit the tub ? please need some help it is my 3 attempt ...and so far zero shrooms for me dont want to f"$ck this baby up......
Should i fan ? please need input
here are some photos :
Plur to all of you and stay safe
(couldnt resist ; PIN DANCE EHEHE)
PS-.I´M SO HAPPY
ps2- the tub is whit water not in contact whit the bulk(because the black plastic) , is that ok ??? or should i remove that excess water , cause by the transpiration on the colonizing chamber?,
you can see the tub in fruiting (photo ) underneath the black bag is 0.5 cm maybe less of water

[Hippie3]

CONGRATS!

[mdbnkc]

hell ya dude congratulations. If this is your first successful grow your gonna be stoked come harvest. Best of luck to ya

[Shroomette]

Congrats on the pinning. Hope it's a vastly fruitful grow sending some good vibes out to ya.

[mushhut]

I leave my grow lights on 24 hrs a day in my grow room just to keep the temp up. Its super cold here now -15 below 0. My temps range from 72 low to 76 high depending on the temp outside. These temps work for me while fruiting cubes. Keep the 70 to 80 deg range should be fine.

[Zozo]

ok, good luck
looking good

peace
zozo

[meku]

just a little update.
so the tub is pinning a bit slowly almost no changes since last photos.
putted a 25 wat bulb to heat a little bit the space (it is a very big drawer in my closet)
temp is 68\69 F ....
Did 15 syringes of lc honey and store them in fridge and inoculate 1.2 kg of popcorn (3 big jars ) whit the lc and put them in the incubator 78\80 F.
The popcorn was propel hydrated in 38 hour soak and simmer like 90 minutes , after well drained and put outside in big plastic trays to cool down .
Put them in jars and pc them 60 minutes each let them cool down and inoculate whit 3.3 cc each of lc.
Next, going to do 3 tubs at one time.
One question i have :
Straw
worm castings
coco
verm
can i use them to do the tubs (altogether except the verm )??? , and i think next week going to get DONKEY POOO
some advice at which best medium ) tkhs
My goal is to get a big big harvest to celebrate my birthday and give a hell of a party!!!!

[BeardedLadysLady]

Congratulations!!
I'll do the pin dance with ya!

[meku]

hello update ehehe day 5 since first pins
I1m so happy
the temps are on 68F a litle cold but they are pinning
the photos in attach
tkhs to all off you for all your good vibes they are my very first pins and i am a litle anxious ...
PLUR TO ALL OF YOU AND GOOD VIBES TO ALL!

[Hippie3]

lookin' good

[meku]

hello
time to update again
so pin porn day 7 , in two days they are speeding.....i notice a big increase in size and in numbers ehehehe.
for my first i think its looking good but not an uniform pin set , think in the second flush , i will case it whit a 50%/50% coir verm....
Any opinions ???
PLUR and stay safe.

[meku]

UPDATE:
So update day 11 since first pins .
Dont now how if they are ok , please need answers.
They are fat but they are short , is that ok ) nice colours the caps .
i think they need to strecht ... i´m a little lost in this but here are the photos :
Please comment ...when to harvest ,if they will stretch and the preparation after harvesting dunk?? what? to do ...
PS- my heating lamp a 25 w bulb was out the tub was 3 days alone at 62 F.......

[extrememetal43]

thats a long time since pinset to mature...11 days! Im guessing it was too cold. 70 to 80 degrees will fruit cubes. i notice at 70 degrees tho they are very slow to mature and like it much better at 75 F. at 80 F they mature much faster but with less thickness. Optimally ive found 75 F, others may disagree.

anyway at sub 70's which I think you said you were at its too cold IMO and that would explain how long they took to mature. not sure if that explains why theyre so short n fat that may be genetic. but you succeeded

[meku]

extremetal:
they where at 70 F but last 3 days they where alone and when i got there the bulb (providing heating)was fu#@ck. so the temps was 61 F ... let see if they warm up again switched the bulb..and strecht a bit ..a bit confused when to harvest
Let the caps open?? , because i want to collect spores, or cut the caps who are ready and let the stem there to gain height?
The tub was coir\wormcastings \verm , spawn was popcorn the strain GT.
I think it was the very low temps.. i should dunk right????
Thinking to dunk and case 50\50 coco verm ....what would you recommend

[mydarling]

hi meku, sorry i missed this thread before. worm castings/coir/verm monotubs are my speciality.

if you want to take prints, wait for the caps to open (veil breaks entirely), then harvest. you can remove cap and print while leaving the stem to mature more, but once the fruits are matured enough to remove caps, i don't think stem would grow much more, so might as well pick the whole thing. if you don't plan to take prints, it is recommended to pick just as the veil starts to break. i have heard that spores dropped on the substrate surface can inhibit future pinning, but i have not experienced this (probably because i dunk between flushes and this washes off the spores).

should you dunk? YES !!!!! yes, my friend, please dunk away. 12 hr cold water tap dunk should do wonders for your next flush. dunking is my best friend.

as for short fat fruits, i get that a lot on first flushes on that substrate, but the fruits generally are bigger, meatier, and taller on the 2nd flush after a good long dunk. wouldn't worry about it

a pasteurized verm/coir casing would be nice for your 2nd flush, but may i suggest 70/30 verm/coir instead of 50/50? less nutrients in the casing is preferable, so increase the proportion of verm.

if you can increase the temperature at all, that would help with time it takes to pin and mature. i know you had a problem with your lights and it's damn cold where you're at, i hope you can get the temps to stabilize!

good luck to ya, and nice job so far!!! i love the substrate you are working with. can't wait to see the next flush

[meku]

my darling :
tks to stopped by your comments removed a load of my back
It is my first flush ever so getting something i am happy already.
Going to do exactly what you said .. this substract is what i can get easily , but yesterday i found a 70 liters hpoo already leached 3,90 euros eheh, so thinking to mix hpooo whit castings coco and verm later (already have 1,2 kg of popcorn incubating).
As you see , my tub is lined from the inside whit plastic trash bag.
How can i dunk safely (i did some holes in the bottom of the tub to get out the excess water).
But when i fill the tub whit the water a big part will be trapped in the plastic bag and will not get out the plastic bag . my question is should i drill holes in the bottom of the plastic bag or should i dunk the tub remove the plastic bag and after take the sub out the tub and put another plastic bag??
Sorry about the questions but i need answers lol

[mydarling]

meku,

i have been using plastic bags just like that in my last monotub. i also had much difficulty figuring out how to dunk the substrate... i'll tell you what i did and hopefully this will help you!

i've tried adding dunk water directly in the monotub, and i had holes in the bottom drilled for drainage, but the water would just not drain because the plastic bag was blocking the holes. do you have another tub of the same size? if so, i would use that for dunking. use the plastic bag as sort of "carrier" to remove the substrate from its original tub. what i mean is, grab the sides of the plastic bag and lift the whole thing out, substrate on top. (it is much easier to get the sub block out of the monotub this way than trying to just pull it out with your fingers.)

place the plastic bag on a counter top. then fill the 2nd tub with cold tap water. gently lift the substrate block off the plastic bag and place into the 2nd tub of water. it will float, so either weigh it down with plates and heavy bottles, or take the original monotub and stick it on top of the floating substrate and tape it down to the bottom tub around the sides. this will keep the substrate submerged for the 12 hour duration.

here's a diagram in case that wasn't clear.



when dunk is done, take the substrate out of the dunk water as gently as you can (it will be soft and easily breakable). place it on some paper towels and let it sit for about 5 mins to drain; also pat the sides and top with more paper towels. then, get the original monotub container and clean it out and place a new, clean plastic bag on the bottom. place the drained substrate block on top. wait a few days and you should have new pins...

[BeardedLadysLady]

That diagram is simply adorable MD!!
I love it!

[meku]

hello !!
its finally time to show my very first shrooms after 2 lost whit cakes finally whit popcorn and monotub i+ve got it
THe final weight was 335.9 grams ehehe think dry weight will be 33 grams ,
the tub is dunking as we speak (tkhs my darling for the explanation on dunking mono).
But 2 things went wrong ,,, i didnt realize they grew so fast so i let them be for 48 hours alone and they liberated so much spores....1 day was perfect.... but next time will get it right .
The second thing is the dunking ...when i was i the middle o taking the substract of the monotub it separated in 2 pieces ..is that alright????
please give me some feedback i want to get a second flush,,,lolol ohh happy ohhh joy ehehehe
PLUR to all of you a million tkhs to all of you i am a very very happy men today
the pics :

[mydarling]

nice harvest!! monotubs are great aren't they? don't worry about the spores dropping on your substrate. they'll wash off during the dunk, no problem there.

also, no worries about the substrate breaking in half... i've done that so many times. the substrate more or less doesn't care how many pieces it's in in my experience - each half will still fruit fine, and the place where it broke is actually more surface area for pinning. you can put the halves back in the same tub they came from, or separate them into 2 tubs, doesn't really matter IMO.

[TVCasualty]

Congratulations! Watching pins develop never gets old and you never stop doing the pin dance when they arrive.

After the third flush (or the fourth if the third was still nice and big) and after dunking the sub, tear the whole thing to pieces and put it back in the tub. For some reason that usually stimulates a few more to pop and they tend to be really large. Mainly you want to try that technique when the sub appears otherwise exhausted (but it not contaminated; DO NOT do this if there is any obvious contamination!).

[meku]

hello again
My darling :
I did your technique (dunking) and it works very well but stay tuned because i think i have a new idea to make the dunkig a very very easy and no hassle .
will post photos when i try this idea...
Yes the monotubs are great indeed my new passion , but i bought a greenhouse and later will be looking in to that ...construct a full automated greenhouse to do trys and logs ...
But , back to the present , the tub is dunking in the morning will do a casing using 70%\30% verm coco and will PC it for 30 mn.
As for the future again going full force , 3 monotubs whit popcorn, but i think i´m introducing 2 new elements in the sub.
first element is pollen from bees ... and second will be a full aged horse manure i bought like 70 liters 3.90 euros will use some gypsum( i got the dry wall stuff )and do maybe a mix whit coco,varum , worm casting and horse manure.(i´m low in worm castings).
I have also straw but i think later will going to experiment whit that.
What do you think?
Got 3 jars in colonization (1.2 kgs), i think it will be enough for 3 small tubs like the one i was using.

[meku]

as i promisse here is my ideia to add to the dunking technique of my darling:
Bought a plastic screen, 1cm holes, cut the screen in a manner to mount a box(will be the bottom of the monotub where the sub is) , mount the box whit those plastic things don know the name lol.
Put the black plastic in the tub put this "screen box" fill it up whit substract and spawn and let it colonize
.When full colonized put in fruiting conditions ,after picking the fruits of your labor
it is time to dunk .
To do so , just lift the screen box and the sub will stay always in one pice just like a deep fry net....
Do as my darling said (dunking )when is time to take the sub of the water is simple just lift the screen box again let it drain and put it in fruiting (dont forget to use a new black plastic and clean the tub )conditions for the second flush ....hope you will get the idea .
Going to try this in my next monotub .
Here´s some pics ,doing the box:
PLUR TO ALL OF YOU an stay safe

[pihop]

Looks like a good way to dunk.
I'm still looking into dunking the cake in the original tub since my tub is 70L (quarts) so i will end up with a giant cake.

[meku]

hello
pihop:
if you have a big big cake just add to the bottom of the box 2 or 3 hard plastic "rods" and tie up whit he same "plastic things "i use , and should be fine .
if you want can do that in the sides or even so big X crossing them(rods) an fix them in the bottom .
it will bring stability and hardness to the box and you will be fine .
imagine even the box bends whit the wait of the cake it will be in the same place, it cracks but it cracks in the same place more points to mush grow ehehe
Going to try this in my next 3 monotubs and i am shure it will do alright .
UPDATE to my 2 flush :
did a dunk 16 hours before i got the idea , th cake broke in 3 big pieces but i manage to put them again in the tub did a case 70%,30% verm \coco, PC it and case it was a little dry so i mist a bit the casing and fruit again whit 24\7 light temps are 64\65 F and 48 hours later see a little white again.
Going to try construct a heat bomb whit a bottle of water and a aquarium water heater (saw this in a thread on myco but need to find it again )to see if i can boost the temps to 74 F i think it is ideal temp...
Stay safe an PLUR to all of you

[pihop]

meku

I was thinking I'd make a sturdy support frame to but in the bottom of the box.
Something like this:
svampram.bmp

Then my thought was that i just lift the entire cake out and set it aside for a couple of moments while i clean out the tub. Then i was going to put a couple plastic 1/2" pipes in the bottom of the tub for the cake to rest on while dunking it. Also the pipes would help the water drain through the bottom after dunking.

[weeeeeee]

that schematic you drew up for the lifting device i made on of those in the past only mine was a bit more complicated see i had this thought that the very center of my monotubs does not ever colonize so i made a little raised like inch and half area that was like 10 x 18 x 1.5 or something probably drilled holes in it all over made a handle in the center put some plastic grating like you said to fill in the area around the edges anyways i only made one of these to try out it works like a charm to dunk i fill the tub up then when i want to drain i just grab up my sub by the handle and drain

anyways that is a really good idea i personally think not really necessary though however

[pihop]

Thats a great idea weeeeeee. Will do with the middle handle instead.
I love building things that make stuff easier although it might not be necessary.^^

I'm also thinking I mightbuild the thing out of 1/2" PVC pipes and attach cloth or fine plastic mesh to the bottom of the frame ---> no need to put extra drain supports to the base when I'm done dunking.

[weeeeeee]

how mine is made the wire grate sits up in the middle of the sub so that way at colonizes around it i just mix it with the thing in there so it gets through everywhere

[pihop]

Could you draw a diagram?
I think i get what you mean but I just want to make sure.

[mydarling]

love all the dunking ideas and diagrams in this thread. keep it coming!

[TVCasualty]

For building stuff out of PVC, here are a couple of fittings that you can't find in stores but are VERY handy.

Three-way corner fitting:


And the 4-way 'shelf' fitting:


I get those from Aquatic Ecosystems, a company out of Florida that has a catalog that will blow your mind. www.aquaticeco.com

[meku]

hello update after dunking the tub, i cased 70%\30% verm \ coco hidrated and PC it well ,is day 2 since i took pics i think is goig good today will take more photos , to another upadate
PLUR and stay safe

[meku]

well is day 5 since dunking temps are finally 65 to 68 F stable ... i cased the tub vern\coco (see previous post) pics:
plur and stay safe

[meku]

hello. new update trich
today checked on the tub and bam trich on a part od the sub , cutted the part of the sub was contam and saw underneath the motive of the contam ... there was water .....so under the substract betwen the sub and the plastic , so cutted the part of the sub and put dry verm to sop the excess water... hope the sub last to another flush lets see....
pic