1st time extraction success w/mimosa!!

[sammy54543]

I was w/the family in Disney and came back to some nice small shards of DMT from my 1st Mimosa extraction!! Thx guys 4 the help!!

[waylitjim]

Congrats, have a nice trip!

[synth]

=]

enjoy

[SharkieJones]

Nice pic.

[TheAngryGolfer]

details? methods used/amount of bark etc....

but anyway, good job

[waylitjim]

Nice avatar A.G

[TheAngryGolfer]

thanks

[sammy54543]

I used 56gs of Mimosa,ground into fine powder w/blender and food processor. I then soaked in white vinegar/tap water for 24hrs,strained repeated 2 more times. I reduced volume to 1/2 quart or so,defatted w/naptha and basified with lye. After I seperated layers the final product was dried,washed and dried again. i got about 1/2g or so of small clear shards. Potency was excellent. I don't have my notes handy so if details are a little vaugue i apologize,I will post a full log when time allows. Im planning on pedro extract next,maybe psilocybin as well. I get good smoking results when i mix crystals with a small sprinkle of sally-very nice!!!

[condo_pygmy]

1/2g That's about twice the standard return for 56g of MHRB.
(Espcially being ya first extraction)
the standard's about a 1/2g on a 100g's of MHRB. (0.57%) ~ 570mg's.
Must of been some darn good bark !!

[encapsulated]

Please do sammy i am very interested in this process and if i could figure out a surefire way to do it i might just try it

[Mykojay]

Where did you get your bark from?

[marsofold]

Did sammy actually weigh his yield or just estimate it?

[sammy54543]

I weighed it,but I should stand corrected since my scale was off I got .27grams. My bark was from Bouncing Bear. Also,I just weighed a 50mg hit (I was eyeballing previously) and the result was on a scale of about a 25mg blast so i haven't perfected it yet(still my 1st time). i used a method someone gave(I think waylit but I'm not sure,Im sorta in a rush so I don't have the time to look back)on a post I had made inquiring about a good tek to start with. sorry about the mixups,just wanted 2 clarify...I'm still quite pleased w/my results!!!

[synth]

hmm..
i hear the smoke is kind of harsh.
my friend wonders... :
his lungs are pretty sensitive these days.
taking a drag of a cigarette is pretty rough [instant cough],
but cannabis can be done.
would this be pretty much impossible for my friend to smoke?
perhaps if he just tries hard to hold it in..

[Elf Salvation]

Yo I mix dmt with weed and It takes the edge off. Also taking the first hit easy is good to get used to it then its easy.


ELF

[sammy54543]

if you really want to get there(way out there!)you'll manage it,ahem,i mean "swim" will...........

[toadmansmoke]

Sammy,

Did you heat the bark/vinegar mix or just soak it?

SWIM recently completed my first successful extraction using Marsofolds tek. Used 400g of bark (supplied as a powder) but the yield was low (approx 0.9g). Mixture was simmered on a very low heat. Used 200ml of naptha in two 100ml pulls for the extraction, then evaporated down to 1/3 of the original volume and freeze precipitated.

Just wondered whether too low temperature might have played a part in the poor yield?

Despite the yield, SWIM was very impressed with the spice, 50mg dose was vaporized and only half finished before the effects kicked in and by that point SWIM couldn't imagine being able to finish the rest!

Great site BTW guys!

[Elf Salvation]

Originally Posted by toadmansmoke

Sammy,

Did you heat the bark/vinegar mix or just soak it?

SWIM recently completed my first successful extraction using Marsofolds tek. Used 400g of bark (supplied as a powder) but the yield was low (approx 0.9g). Mixture was simmered on a very low heat. Used 200ml of naptha in two 100ml pulls for the extraction, then evaporated down to 1/3 of the original volume and freeze precipitated.

Just wondered whether too low temperature might have played a part in the poor yield?

Despite the yield, SWIM was very impressed with the spice, 50mg dose was vaporized and only half finished before the effects kicked in and by that point SWIM couldn't imagine being able to finish the rest!

Great site BTW guys!

Nice, You could have gotten even more yeild using 300ml three times while hot.


ELF

[TheAngryGolfer]

Originally Posted by Elf Salvation

Nice, You could have gotten even more yeild using 300ml three times while hot.


ELF

300ml 3 times? u mean 900ml in total?

[Elf Salvation]

Yeah ~~~~~= )


ELF

[condo_pygmy]

Using 300ml, he means 3 pulls of 100ml HOT naptha.
that's the usual amount for a pound of MHRB.
(i think mars uses a bit less, like 270ml on an Lb).

[condo_pygmy]

Originally Posted by Elf Salvation

Yeah ~~~~~= )


ELF

ELF you use 900ml NPS on a Lb ?
must take a Long time to evap down to a workable volume !!

[Elf Salvation]

Im only geusing a bit much I addmit.

I quote toad's 400gms.


Elf

[TheAngryGolfer]

a larger amount of solvent may be a good idea...

on a thread on the nook http://www.thenook.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=37599

the guy uses ALOT of naptha with a kilo of bark and ends up with around 10 grams.

I've been getting kind of low yeilds with the regular marsofold tek, using 500 grams of bark.... the first time I got a really crappy yeild, 750mg of spice that was VERY harsh to smoke, but also VERY good. I made a few mistakes on that extraction and I chalked up the low yeilds to that.

this time I got 1.6 grams, but I did alot of washing of the naptha... a dh2o + sodium carbonate wash, dh20 + sodium bicarbonate wash and a brine wash and an epsom dry. so some of the washing could have robbed some spice. I did not make any mistakes during the extraction. it was definately properly basified too, emulsions cleared in minutes.

I tried a little bit of the new spice before recrystallizing with heptane, about 25-30 mg and got weak threshold efffects. to be fair this is probably due to the low dose and methdo of smoking (parsely method... wasteful so I may have only really smoked 20 mg or less). the spice was very smooth to smoke tho, obviously lye free.

I recrystallized and got mostly translucent crystals, but lost more product, final yeild 1.15 grams. I will sample 50mg in a base pipe soon.

[sammy54543]

I used heat after my 1st 3 soaks in vinegar/water to reduce the volume of liquid I had. I placed the glass bottle I used for my vessel in a pot of very slowly boiling water,a few inches high,over low heat a few hours refilling water in pot as necessary

[condo_pygmy]

A crockpot works very well for the acidic extraction & as a heat bath. On small extractions a 750ml bottle is used for 100g of MHRB solution. The 750ml bottle containing solution is placed in crockpot till hot, then basified. the naptha is placed in a smaller bottle in crockpot till HOT. the neck of the 750ml bottle holds the Hot naptha, making it easy to extract. Usually 3 ~ 4 small pulls of Hot naptha, about 25ml per pull. The return is about 1/2g everytime.

[toadmansmoke]

Originally Posted by TheAngryGolfer

a larger amount of solvent may be a good idea...

on a thread on the nook http://www.thenook.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=37599

the guy uses ALOT of naptha with a kilo of bark and ends up with around 10 grams.

I've been getting kind of low yeilds with the regular marsofold tek, using 500 grams of bark.... the first time I got a really crappy yeild, 750mg of spice that was VERY harsh to smoke, but also VERY good. I made a few mistakes on that extraction and I chalked up the low yeilds to that.

this time I got 1.6 grams, but I did alot of washing of the naptha... a dh2o + sodium carbonate wash, dh20 + sodium bicarbonate wash and a brine wash and an epsom dry. so some of the washing could have robbed some spice. I did not make any mistakes during the extraction. it was definately properly basified too, emulsions cleared in minutes.

I tried a little bit of the new spice before recrystallizing with heptane, about 25-30 mg and got weak threshold efffects. to be fair this is probably due to the low dose and methdo of smoking (parsely method... wasteful so I may have only really smoked 20 mg or less). the spice was very smooth to smoke tho, obviously lye free.

I recrystallized and got mostly translucent crystals, but lost more product, final yeild 1.15 grams. I will sample 50mg in a base pipe soon.

Thats an impressive yeild. SWIM will try another couple of naptha pulls as they still have the basified solution and see if there is any spice left.

[TheAngryGolfer]

Originally Posted by toadmansmoke

Thats an impressive yeild. SWIM will try another couple of naptha pulls as they still have the basified solution and see if there is any spice left.

not really.... you should get 2.5g or so from that much bark, and I've heard of up to 5g from that amount.....

[condo_pygmy]

Alot depends on the barks origin.
If the standard barks content is 0.57%, that would be 5.7g from a Kg.
swim has pulled large yeilds from some bark, more than the standard.
and less than standard from different bark sources.

[toadmansmoke]

SWIM did three more 100ml naptha pulls yielding: 300mg, 350mg and 200mg.

Not sure why some many pulls were required, perhaps the naptha was not
hot enough.

SWIM was glad he didn't throw out the basified liquid!

That takes the yield up to 1.77g from 400g of bark which SWIM is happy
with for the first try.

i really gotta get off my lazy ass and do this
extraction some day......

[marsofold]

Originally Posted by toadmansmoke

SWIM did three more 100ml naptha pulls yielding: 300mg, 350mg and 200mg.

I am intrigued not only that you had to use so many pulls to dissolve all of the DMT out of solution, but that 100ml pulls each only held 300milligrams of DMT. 100ml of naptha will definitely dissolve a gram of DMT and more DMT should have been in each pull. Did you mix the naptha into the basified solution by inverting the container repeatedly for at least five minutes? How long did you allow the naptha layer to sit undisturbed in contact with the basified solution prior to drawing it off? Perhaps I should upgrade my TEK to four 75ml pulls of naptha per pound...

[Spark]

First time is the charm.

[TheAngryGolfer]

Originally Posted by marsofold

I am intrigued not only that you had to use so many pulls to dissolve all of the DMT out of solution, but that 100ml pulls each only held 300milligrams of DMT. 100ml of naptha will definitely dissolve a gram of DMT and more DMT should have been in each pull. Did you mix the naptha into the basified solution by inverting the container repeatedly for at least five minutes? How long did you allow the naptha layer to sit undisturbed in contact with the basified solution prior to drawing it off? Perhaps I should upgrade my TEK to four 75ml pulls of naptha per pound...

thats pretty much what I did this time. 4 75ml pulls. the first was 100ml, but after adding enough water to bring it near the top, and then turkey basting it off, leaving a 1/2" or so of buffer naptha, I could only fit 75ml for each additional pull. at the end I added water to bring the remaining naptha into the neck, so after I turkey basted that off, the buffer I left was only maybe 20ml or so.

but my yeild before rextallization was only 1.6g in total (from 500g)

after rextallization it was only 1.2.

I have no idea what the problem is, may just be the bark. I did everything right this time. didnt check PH but I had full separation with no emulsions in around 10 minutes for each pull (let it sit an hour or so just in case) I guess it may be the washes I did. I did a 30ml washing soda + dh2o, 30ml baking soda + dh2o, 30ml brine, and an epsom dry.

anyway, the spice looks very good before and after rextallization (pics here: http://www.thenook.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=43942 ) I tried 30mg before rextallization using the parsely method and got very weak effects. may be that I got way less than 30mg because that method isnt the most efficient. I havent gotten to try it again since I recrysllized but I hope its not crap (bark was from MJB, as it was for my first extraction and the results of my first extraction was EXCELLENT)

[TheAngryGolfer]

Originally Posted by toadmansmoke

SWIM did three more 100ml naptha pulls yielding: 300mg, 350mg and 200mg.

Not sure why some many pulls were required, perhaps the naptha was not
hot enough.

SWIM was glad he didn't throw out the basified liquid!

That takes the yield up to 1.77g from 400g of bark which SWIM is happy
with for the first try.

have you tried it yet?

and where did you get your bark from?

[toadmansmoke]

Originally Posted by marsofold

I am intrigued not only that you had to use so many pulls to dissolve all of the DMT out of solution, but that 100ml pulls each only held 300milligrams of DMT. 100ml of naptha will definitely dissolve a gram of DMT and more DMT should have been in each pull. Did you mix the naptha into the basified solution by inverting the container repeatedly for at least five minutes? How long did you allow the naptha layer to sit undisturbed in contact with the basified solution prior to drawing it off? Perhaps I should upgrade my TEK to four 75ml pulls of naptha per pound...

Mixing might be the culprit here. I intended to use 1litre clear reagent bottles for the solvent pulls but ended up with nearly 2litres of solutions. After trying to evaporate the liquid down for some time I just transferred it to a 2L vessel. Unfortunately I don't trust the lid on this container so i've just been stirring the solution and naptha up for five minutes after heating both in a hot water bath for about 15 minutes. Emulsions settled out quickly and were drawn off shortly after stirring. I guess this shows that stirring is not effective.

My pH meter broke this time round and I think the pH may have been too high. Emulsions certainly appeared to settle very quickly! I hope to improve the techniques on my next extraction and hopefully sort out some of these problems.

[toadmansmoke]

Originally Posted by TheAngryGolfer

have you tried it yet?

and where did you get your bark from?

Yes, I've tried it a couple of times now, both sub-breakthrough. Both times I've been amazed by the intricate nature of the patterns appearing on every
surface, much more defined than the visual effects of mushrooms. Also objects appear to change size and the sense of perspective is lost. The environment appears to be coming apart at an atomic level. Quite astounding!
Bark was from a UK supplier, deva ethnobotanicals and was brought pre-ground as a fine powder.

[TheAngryGolfer]

Originally Posted by toadmansmoke

Yes, I've tried it a couple of times now, both sub-breakthrough. Both times I've been amazed by the intricate nature of the patterns appearing on every
surface, much more defined than the visual effects of mushrooms. Also objects appear to change size and the sense of perspective is lost. The environment appears to be coming apart at an atomic level. Quite astounding!
Bark was from a UK supplier, deva ethnobotanicals and was brought pre-ground as a fine powder.

how much are you smoking at a time?

you probably need to smoke more

[TheAngryGolfer]

Originally Posted by toadmansmoke

Mixing might be the culprit here. I intended to use 1litre clear reagent bottles for the solvent pulls but ended up with nearly 2litres of solutions. After trying to evaporate the liquid down for some time I just transferred it to a 2L vessel. Unfortunately I don't trust the lid on this container so i've just been stirring the solution and naptha up for five minutes after heating both in a hot water bath for about 15 minutes. Emulsions settled out quickly and were drawn off shortly after stirring. I guess this shows that stirring is not effective.

My pH meter broke this time round and I think the pH may have been too high. Emulsions certainly appeared to settle very quickly! I hope to improve the techniques on my next extraction and hopefully sort out some of these problems.

I dont think there is much of a danger of too high a PH (someone correct me if I'm wrong). from what I understand, it takes 10x as much lye to go up one PH point.... so if you overshoot a little it doesnt make a difference.

I dont think a slightly high PH will hurt anything

Can't overbasify...

[toadmansmoke]

So I guess a pH meter is probably overkill for these extractions as long as the lye solution is mixed to the correct proportions.

[marsofold]

There is really no need for a ph meter. Use ph papers if you want a measurement. I've saw my ph meter go out of calibration so often that just I gave up on using it. I'd trust ph papers over a meter and they're cheaper. Just be sure to get ones that go up to a ph of 14 if you do.

[Mykojay]

hmm..
i hear the smoke is kind of harsh.
my friend wonders... :
his lungs are pretty sensitive these days.
taking a drag of a cigarette is pretty rough [instant cough],
but cannabis can be done.
would this be pretty much impossible for my friend to smoke?
perhaps if he just tries hard to hold it in..

The spice can be cleaned very well at the expense of a small amount.
Its actually not harsh at all, but traces of the chemicals used in the process are left behind, particularily Lye, and those make the smoke very harsh. So you foaf definately can handle it, just be sure to clean it as well as possible.

I did alot of washing of the naptha... a dh2o + sodium carbonate wash, dh20 + sodium bicarbonate wash and a brine wash and an epsom dry.
the spice was very smooth to smoke tho, obviously lye free.

I think AngryGolfer also Recrystalized with Heptane for further purification.

Tannins, which can be removed by recrystallization, are also somewhat harsh, when trying to vaporize...

[marsofold]

I suspect that the best way to clean it with the least losses would be to wash it with chilled ammonium hydroxide with a pinch of sodium bicarbonate added to convert any residual lye to the carbonate, then after it dries, dissolve it in naptha that was pre-dried with calcium chloride ("DampRid"). Filter the naptha, fan-evaporate it down to 1/3 volume, then freeze-precipitate again. Evap the naptha after freeze-precipitation to recover the last drop. That way the only losses would be the usual ammonia wash loss (around 10%). No wash losses at all.

[TheAngryGolfer]

Originally Posted by Mykojay

I think AngryGolfer also Recrystalized with Heptane for further purification.

yes, he did
and these are the before and after rextallization pics. it looks good but like I said I tried 30mg before rextallization and it was very weak (may have been to the lowish dose combined with the somewhat wasteful parsely method). I havent gotten a chance to try a full dose yet. also note how much less the recrystallized/slow evapped stuff looks like. its really only about 300mg or so less

[toadmansmoke]

Originally Posted by marsofold

I suspect that the best way to clean it with the least losses would be to wash it with chilled ammonium hydroxide with a pinch of sodium bicarbonate added to convert any residual lye to the carbonate, then after it dries, dissolve it in naptha that was pre-dried with calcium chloride ("DampRid"). Filter the naptha, fan-evaporate it down to 1/3 volume, then freeze-precipitate again. Evap the naptha after freeze-precipitation to recover the last drop. That way the only losses would be the usual ammonia wash loss (around 10%). No wash losses at all.

Could you explain the process of pre-drying the naptha with calcium chloride? Is the naptha poured through the anhydrous calcium chloride in a funnel?

I'm having trouble locating household ammonia in the UK. I found some stuff thats been hanging round for years in the garage labelled '10% Ammonia solution'. Is this suitable?

[TheAngryGolfer]

you can use anhydrous epsom salt for drying too. if you use epsom salt you have to put a thin layer on the bottom of a glass baking pan then put it in the microwave for 4 minutes. when it comes out it will have turned white and will be stuck to the pan. you have to scrape it up and crush it up into a dine powder.

which ever drying agent you use... add a little bit slowly to the solvent. when it stops clumping at the bottom you added enough.

then pour it thru a funnel with a cotton ball or toilet paper filter (a toilet papar filter is made by rolling the toilet paper into a plug to fit the hole in the funnel)

the 10% ammonia will work fine, as long as its NON SOAPY ammonia. shake it up and if it gets fizzy then its no good.

[toadmansmoke]

Originally Posted by TheAngryGolfer

you can use anhydrous epsom salt for drying too. if you use epsom salt you have to put a thin layer on the bottom of a glass baking pan then put it in the microwave for 4 minutes. when it comes out it will have turned white and will be stuck to the pan. you have to scrape it up and crush it up into a dine powder.

which ever drying agent you use... add a little bit slowly to the solvent. when it stops clumping at the bottom you added enough.

then pour it thru a funnel with a cotton ball or toilet paper filter (a toilet papar filter is made by rolling the toilet paper into a plug to fit the hole in the funnel)

the 10% ammonia will work fine, as long as its NON SOAPY ammonia. shake it up and if it gets fizzy then its no good.

Thanks AngryGolfer,

I'll give this a try.