Short, Quick, Simple Spice Tek using Quart Jars

loochypooch · 01-06-07, 16:17

Let me know if you think this is practical and efficient, I think my friend is about to be swearing by it. There's nothing difficult about this and no special equipment is really required. He wishes someone would have explained it to him this simply in the first place.

Required Items
Agents
- Any amount of MHRB (preferrably 100+g)
- Roebic Drain Cleaner (Basic Lye)
- VM&P Naptha (Non-Polar Solvent)
- Distilled Water
Tools
- Turkey Baster
- Stainless Steel Utensil
- Glass Pie Dish
- Quart Jars with Lids
Note: You will need one quart jar for each cup of mhrb powder (100g of MHRB is about 1 cup powder).

Step 1 Prepare Bark:
1) Break and twist up the MHRB by hand into as small pieces as possible,
no need to hurt your hands. Use plyers if the bark is tough.
2) Put a handful of the broken up MHRB into the blender to turn it to
powder.
3) Empty the powder from the blender into a bowl or large measuring cup
and repeat blending until all of the powder is ready.

Step 2 Mix Jars:
4) First, add two cups of distilled water to each empty quart jar.
Note: Put on goggles and rubber gloves for this part...
5) Add three tablespoons of Lye to each jar.
[All of the jars should be about half full of black liquid now.]
6) Stir the liquid gently with the stainless steel utensil.
7) Slowly and gently add 1 cup of mhrb powder to each jar.
Be careful not to splatter or spill.
8) Stir the powder gently until it is absorbed into the black liquid.
9) Wipe the tops of the jars and put the lids on, then shake violently.

The remainder of his plan is simple. Let the Jars sit overnight. The following day add about 300ml of Naptha to each Jar and shake, then let sit overnight (shaking often). Then he will syphen off the Naptha using the Turkey Baster into the glass Pie Dish, being extremely careful to get only the clear Naptha and no black gunk (lye). He could then add more Naptha, shake, let sit overnight and then syphen again to increase yields. Meanwhile the glass Pie Plate will be filled with nearly pure DMT crystals once the Naptha evaporates completely.

Does anyone see any errors in this thinking?

eezdharma · 01-06-07, 16:33

I couldn't tell you if there are any errors as I am new to this and only know of a FOAF who has used marsofold's tek. However, I'm sure my FOAF would like to try it as it's seems fairly simple. What kind of results have you gotten from this tek?

loochypooch · 01-06-07, 16:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by eezdharma

I couldn't tell you if there are any errors as I am new to this and only know of a FOAF who has used marsofold's tek. However, I'm sure my FOAF would like to try it as it's seems fairly simple. What kind of results have you gotten from this tek?

I'll post the results from this simplified method when they come in, but the results are almost guaranteed to be outstanding compared to my friends first efort (the results of which were suprisingly good, despite all the difficulties and mistakes). http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=18204 (MHRB Extraction Info)

The main idea here is that the jars are narrow so a thick layer of Naptha should settle at the top, making it far more easy to syphen off than if a bowl were used, for example. Also the jars allow for shaking, which surely will help disperse the good stuff. Lastly, everyone here has jars right? LOL.

papalion · 01-06-07, 19:04

yeahp. looks fine as quickly as I read it. Good thing spice teks are simple, eh?

01-06-07, 19:39

Quote:

then let sit overnight (shaking often)

Should foaf bump a few lines to stay awake and shake all night? hehe
jk Loochy

I have only one question for now.
When you syphon, say the 2nd and 3rd time
do you keep putting it in the same plate or does
that even matter?

Chaos · 01-06-07, 20:05

It sounds a little light on the lye. I have shaken before and the liquid forms an emulsion. If it doesn't separate in short [ 10 min ] time then you need more lye. I will try to find the correct lye/liquid ratio.
Good luck!! Spice is nice.

loochypooch · 01-06-07, 20:58

Per Vortex's quick tek he recommends 1tbsp per 150ml distilled water. Two cups = 450ml, I believe. Therefore 3 tablespoons of Lye fits the recipe. A little more can't hurt he says. Just make sure your liquid is black and it should be a winner...

condo_pygmy · 01-06-07, 21:06

I don't see why you need distilled water,

once you add lye the ph will go way up, so tap water would work just fine, the only time distilled water is really needed is when washing the end product...

01-06-07, 21:10

tap water varies dramatically from place to place. ime

condo_pygmy · 01-06-07, 21:23

I suppose so, I've used Dh2o, but found that my tap water works just fine...

loochypooch · 01-07-07, 01:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaos

It sounds a little light on the lye. I have shaken before and the liquid forms an emulsion. If it doesn't separate in short [ 10 min ] time then you need more lye. I will try to find the correct lye/liquid ratio.
Good luck!! Spice is nice.

This seems to be the only concern of mine. I've read you can put the jar in a pot of warm water to get rid of the emulsion, but adding more lie would be easier if that works. Let me know what you find out and I'll also post my friends findings.

Also, I'm suprised no one mentioned adding the Naptha right from the start to simplify and speed things up. My friend is very patient, but maybe more patient than necessary.

SLaG · 01-07-07, 12:14

Lye solutions can etch glass jars, and after a couple of days it could bust open and spew your solution everywhere. Be careful, and keep an eye out for visible cracks. It might be better to use HDPE containers.

loochypooch · 01-07-07, 12:56

If one uses new jars and only does this soak for up to three days do you really think the possibility of the lye (heavily diluted with water mind you) will crack the jar? I'm doubtful of this, but I could believe that using the same jars multiple times would be a problem. Would you give this a thumbs up if the jars were discarded after the third pull?

Also, it doesn't look like HDPE containers would be hard to find, but what are the chances of the plastic dissolving into and contaminating the solution?

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLaG

Lye solutions can etch glass jars, and after a couple of days it could bust open and spew your solution everywhere. Be careful, and keep an eye out for visible cracks. It might be better to use HDPE containers.

Elf Salvation · 01-07-07, 15:05

I have not had lye ever break any jars mason or gallon pickle. I used the gallon miracle whip jars for extractions and they are naptha safe.

loochypooch · 01-07-07, 15:15

Required Items
Agents
- Any amount of MHRB (preferrably 100+g)
- Roebic Drain Cleaner (Basic Lye)
- VM&P Naptha (Non-Polar Solvent)
- Distilled Water
Tools
- Turkey Baster
- Stainless Steel Utensil
- Glass Pie Dish
- Quart Jars with Lids
Note: You will need one quart jar for each cup of MHRB powder (100g of MHRB is about 1 cup powder).

Step 1 Prepare Bark:
1) Break and twist up the MHRB by hand into as small pieces as possible,
no need to hurt your hands. Use plyers if the bark is tough.
2) Put a handful of the broken up MHRB into the blender to turn it to
powder.
3) Empty the powder from the blender into a bowl or large measuring cup
and repeat blending until all of the powder is ready.

Step 2 Mix Jars:
4) First, add two cups of distilled water to each empty quart jar.
Note: Put on goggles and rubber gloves for this part...
5) Add three tablespoons of Lye to each jar.
[All of the jars should be about half full of black liquid now.]
6) Stir the liquid gently with the stainless steel utensil.
7) Slowly and gently add 1 cup of MHRB powder to each jar.
Be careful not to splatter or spill.
8) Stir the powder gently until it is absorbed into the black liquid.
9) Add around 150ml+ of Naptha, but make sure there is room to shake contents.
10) Wipe the tops of the jars and put the lids on, then shake thoroughly.

Let the jars sit overnight, shake every now and then....

Step 4 Syphen Naptha
1) Syphen the Naptha off the top using the Turkey Baster and squirt it into the glass Pie Dish, being extremely careful to get only the clear Naptha and no black gunk (lye).
2) Add about 150ml more Naptha to the jar, shake and let sit overnight for a second (and then third) pull.

Step 5 Evaporate Naptha
Put a fan next to, or a dehydrator over the pie dish filled with Naptha. When it is dried out there will be white crystals everywhere. Continue to dry until no Naptha is smelled. There will be an oily residue, which is probably just plant oils and are safe.

I don't think you need to clean/defat the crystals further unless you plan on storing them. I would like to see someone post a SIMPLE and precise method for doing that to to add to this tek.

SLaG · 01-07-07, 17:17

Well, I can say really, never done it. Ive only heard tale. I guess it depends on the ammount of time exposed, and the concentration of Lye.

HDPE is Plastic #2. Look for the triangular recycling symbol with a 2 inside. Solvents will eat certain plastics, and rubbers. Probably the ring on the canning lids.

cheech · 01-07-07, 18:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by loochypooch

that looks awful clean. without a defat, with the bark i've been using the nap would be piss yellow. is that a pic from this tek?

cheech · 01-07-07, 18:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by loochypooch

Step 2 Mix Jars:
4) First, add two cups of distilled water to each empty quart jar.
Note: Put on goggles and rubber gloves for this part...
5) Add three tablespoons of Lye to each jar.
[All of the jars should be about half full of black liquid now.]
6) Stir the liquid gently with the stainless steel utensil.
7) Slowly and gently add 1 cup of MHRB powder to each jar.
Be careful not to splatter or spill.
8) Stir the powder gently until it is absorbed into the black liquid.

i'm really not trying to nit pick here but when i add lye to water the solution stays clear. once i add it to the polar extract of mhrb the solution then turns black.

condo_pygmy · 01-07-07, 18:26

That's very clear for straight base spice, i think the magic is in room temp. extractions...

Elf Salvation · 01-07-07, 18:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by condo_pygmy

That's very clear for straight base spice, i think the magic is in room temp. extractions...

I agree condo.

loochypooch · 01-07-07, 19:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheech226

i'm really not trying to nit pick here but when i add lye to water the solution stays clear. once i add it to the polar extract of mhrb the solution then turns black.

Roebic is a dark liquidb (my friend is not using powdered lye). THe Roebic turns the water black almost instantly.

The Naptha pulls of clear white, I don't know if it has to do with room temp or not, but everything was done room temp. I will tell you that the crystals, which appear clear in the photo were more off-white/yellowish when scraped up together. They were also kind of gummy (presumably this was because no defatting occured). But their quality was astounding...

In short, the results are a high yield with very little effort, but without a freeze precip or something to dry the crystals out better I have no idea how long they will last. If someone could post the simplest and most effective way to dry these crystals for better storage then I'd appreciate it.

Oh yea, I'm hearing there is no problem with the emulsion layer, even after multiple vigorous shakings. Also, we are aware the naptha will destroy the rubber canning lid linings eventually, but there has been no leakage or degradation of the rubber to date.

eastwood · 01-08-07, 02:25

Hmmmmm... I think it is time to order some MHRB.....

loochypooch · 01-08-07, 10:04

FIRST PULL RESULTS ARE IN:

These are some pics from my friends Jar tek. These crystals are completely dry (like soap) and very white, no freeze precip or other tek was used. This is only from the first pull of 100mg mhrb (one jar)! Two more pulls to go and it looks like more than enough spice for personal use. This also appears to be of high enough quality for storage I'm guessing.

condo_pygmy · 01-08-07, 11:10

Very good LP, does your friend have a scale ?
maybe you could post the weight after the final pulls...

it'll be interesting to see the end results from that tek !!

loochypooch · 01-08-07, 11:19

Real quick...

No scale. A pinch was put in a bowl and smoked with effects estimated at 30mg (mild dose I think right?). There is enough there for about 15-20 more of those I suspect. I am told it was also a very smooth smoke as opposed to the oily results from a previous effor, which wasnt the jar tek, but was also different mhrb.

His second pull should be drying out this evening and results will be posted. Amazing.

SLaG · 01-08-07, 17:38

haha looks like cheese. good job.

01-08-07, 18:14

Looks good from my house looch,
Swim hopes his turns out that good.

~Hippie3 · 01-08-07, 18:23

test any yet ?

loochypooch · 01-08-07, 23:32

It tested very positively on four subjects I am told.

01-09-07, 05:14

thats awesome loochypooch!

how many grams were used exactly? and how many grams didnt it come out to all in all? or good for how many doses? or something like that..

thanks!

loochypooch · 01-09-07, 08:29

Actually the first pull was about 10 average doses. I'm guessing .4g? Second pull was slightly less, maybe .3g. Third pull will probably also be slightly less that that, such as .2g. So I'd guess this 100g of mhrb will yield .9g, but that's very much guesswork, since there are no scales. Regardless, it is definitely plenty for personal use -- we're talking 20 doses or more for certain. So for someone who just wants to try this to find out what its like (such as my friend) then I think this has got to be the easiest way to go.

For the second pull the crystals look more yellowish. I'm guessing the longer you soak this stuff, the more non-desirables come out. Still though this batch was dry and not oily so it should keep well. And on a side note, leaving the naptha to air dry produces some really big shiny crystals, whereas the dyhrator drying produced a very flat layer of the stuff (which when shaved off of the glass resembled parmesian cheese for sure). I'd say I prefer the parmesian look, but its all the same stuff right?

01-09-07, 20:21

Hey looch if this wash method is not something you want in this thread we can delete my post all together. I found this written by "Vovin".
Its something that i thought may be helpful in making a more pure product, I dunno.
Looks like you may be able to use your tek then do this wash just before evaporation.

Quote:

Distilled Water
Sodium Carbonate
This is a somewhat new process that is not found in many of the older tek's. This
process will try to remove as many of the foreign chemicals from the naphtha
solution as possible. Especially the lye that was added in a previous step. The
goal here is to leave only the DMT in the naphtha so that when you evaporate
you end up with pure crystals.
Begin by taking about 50 ml of Distilled water and placing it into a flask and
adding sodium carbonate to it. Just add a pinch to the water. It doesn't take
much. You will only be using this mixture for the first wash. Do not use it for the
second and third washes.
A little dab will do yah here, add only a small amount of the water/sodium
carbonate solution to your naphtha. If you have 300 ml of naphtha then you want
to put around 25 ml of the sodium carbonated water. Mix the 2 together and then
place them in a seperatory funnel. Shake the hell out of it this is the only mixing
step where the liquids separate almost immediately so no worries about too much
agitation. Separate the water from the naphtha and discard the water.
For the second and third washes you want to use only distilled water nothing
should be added. 25 ml per wash is sufficient. Perform the same procedure as
above. You should not leave the water in the naphtha for too long. This means no
sitting for hours letting it 'soak' you need to get it in and out.
Photo 1:After a healthy shaking the water and the naphtha almost immediately
separate. Only if all separations were this easy. The water is on the bottom of the
funnel.
Photo 2: After 3 washes the naphtha is clear as glass.

As you can see, this is not to take the place of other steps one may choose to use such as precipitation freeze and such. One may be able to skip those steps and still have a cleaner product or may still do the other cleaning steps(precip. freeze/charcoal) and have an OUTSTANDING product. Just depends on how far one wants to go.

loochypooch · 01-09-07, 22:19

Upate: The third pull was a bust. Musta got it all in the first two pulls. The first two pulls produced enough spice though, that it was enough to satisfy the curiousity of several people on multiple occasions.

PEACE

ciao-mongrel · 01-10-07, 12:53

hey guys, i'm new to this as well, i'm sure you're sick of hearing it... but help a brotha out. So I have my 56 g of MHRB and I was wondering if this would yield enough purity for a couple doses...? Also, does anyone know exactly where the extraction tek for 100 g is? I saw it once and can't seem to find it again. Or does anyone want to whip up a tek for 56 g? More MHRB is on the way... thanks a bunch
ciao

ciao-mongrel · 01-10-07, 13:09

does it matter if one uses the crystalized form of lye, vs. the liquid form?

Scroto Baggins · 01-10-07, 14:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by ciao-mongrel

hey guys, i'm new to this as well, i'm sure you're sick of hearing it... but help a brotha out. So I have my 56 g of MHRB and I was wondering if this would yield enough purity for a couple doses...? Also, does anyone know exactly where the extraction tek for 100 g is? I saw it once and can't seem to find it again. Or does anyone want to whip up a tek for 56 g? More MHRB is on the way... thanks a bunch
ciao

Here you are sir.

"Mix Solution: 4 oz. of White (5%) Vinegar to 1 quart of Water.
Break the 100g of MHRB into small peices then grind to powder using a blender or coffee grinder.
(the finer it's ground the better).
Place the ground MHRB in small covered crockpot , add 1/2 of the above
solution till MHRB is completly submerged, turn crockpot on to High.
(use the rest of the solution for the Second extraction)
2 extractions / each for 2 hrs.
When the 2nd extraction is done, clean crockpot for hot water bath.
once complete, press the plant fiber to get the last of the red liquid out.
strain both extractions in to plastic container & place in freezer for 2 hours. (this is called Cold Filtering)
After 2 hrs at the bottom of the cold plastic container you'll see gummy Brown sediment, throw that brown gum AWAY.
Once both extractions are cold filtered, pour the red fluid into a 750ml Clear wine bottle.
(reason for a clear bottle is too see seperation when extracting naptha)
Preheat your crockpot with Hot water & place your 750ml bottle in the crockpot & turn it on.
Next, to Basify put 1 Tbsp of Lye in a small bottle & slowly add 100ml warm water, swirl to mix thoroughly.
Slowly add the base to your 750ml bottle & upend till it's all BLACK in color.
(turn cap to release pressure after upending)
Leave an inch of space at the Neck of your 750ml bottle for the Hot Naptha.
As for the naptha extraction, place a small bottle filled with about 60ml Naptha in Hot water bath, get it good & HOT. leave cap slighty loose to release pressure. Once the naptha is good & hot, add 20ml of hot naptha to the 750ml bottle neck & upend it for about 3 minutes. (release pressure each time) then Place your 750ml bottle back in the Hot water bath & wait for it to seperate,
It'll seperate in about 10 minutes when it's HOT.
Once seperated use a pipette or eye dropper to extract the hot Naptha containing your spice alkoloids.
Do Three of these 20ml Hot naptha extractions, Put all 3 naptha extractions in small sealed mason jar. (Use a small glass to catch any black specs that might get in, that way you can remove it before adding to your mason jar)
Put sealed jar in freezer, white flake crystals will form in a few hours, but wait overnite till crystals have completely fallen out of solvent. Thoroughly dry on coffee filter. Do this procedure in a cool dry area otherwise it'll melt !!
Final Wash: mix Non soapy Clear Ammonia with water, 50/50 solution in a nip bottle or very small container. Get it Ice Cold !!
Place the coffee filter in a funnel & drip Just a Few ml's of this chilled washing solution over the dried crystals till wet.
(You Only need very little, this will remove traces of lye which make the product harsh)
Crystals will dry in a few hours.
Ready to sample: put lots of ash in bottom of pipe, place a pea sized amount of crystal in & cover with a little more ash, lite & blast off ...!!!
End Results; 100g of MHRB will produce approx. 1/2 gram white flake crystals."

ciao-mongrel · 01-10-07, 14:50

right on monsieur... thanks for the help.
keep on rockin' in the free world, or whats left of it that is...

01-10-07, 14:55

Loochy's tek can be done with 100g of
MHRB or just cut the recipe in half for
56g's.

ciao-mongrel · 01-10-07, 15:28

How about the solid vs. liquid form of lye? would one still use 3 tblspns of it even if solid? hmmm

01-10-07, 15:33

I'm guessing Loochy is using solid,
I think maybe most would say ml's if
using fluid, but I dunno. me thinks Tbsp is
universal and it could go either way.

01-10-07, 15:36

Quote:

(my friend is not using powdered lye).

I stand corrected....Loochy is using solid..

ciao-mongrel · 01-10-07, 18:10

right on, you are all nobel countrymen indeed. true friends to help introduce others to foreign universes...

tonight i shall powder the RB, and add it into the water/lye solution. as well as adding naptha
wish me luck, and i hope i don't need it.

The west is the best....
-Morrison

eezdharma · 01-10-07, 23:23

Hey Ciao, could you post your results when finished? A FOAF wanted to try loochy's tek but only has the crystallized lye as well. Curious to see the results.

loochypooch · 01-10-07, 23:39

WARNING: find the right equivalent of powdered lie, it is probably less, but I dont know. i dont want bad information getting out, even though in this case i dont thinka little extra lye would be a problem.

You can always add a little at a time, stir and then test the ph -- it should be 13.5 or so.

ciao-mongrel · 01-11-07, 00:34

i will step-by-step my buddys procedure with pics as he goes. just powdered the MHRB

that purplish dust is glorious... and its only the first step.
fantasmatronic
what do you'z guyz think about these measurements for 56g of RB. muchas gracias BBB.
1 cup distilled water
1.5 (+) tablespoons NaOH
85ml naptha (per pull)
http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=18204 (MHRB Extraction Info)
thanks for this ^^^^ pooch. very thorough and informative.

I would like to live in a castle made of sand.
ciao

ps: posting pics? how would one perform said action?

eezdharma · 01-11-07, 01:10

1) When posting scroll down to 'Attach Files'
2) Click 'Manage Attachments'
3) Click 'Browse'
4) Pick your photo and click 'open'

ciao-mongrel · 01-11-07, 01:20

first steps
i like this coffee grinder
sooper dooper
ciao

01-11-07, 02:18

WOW this shit is simple.. of course one must take care..
but that is the easiest tek ever.. maybe its just because the write up is so good

now if only i could find some local supply

ciao-mongrel · 01-11-07, 02:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaGoon

WOW this shit is simple.. of course one must take care..
but that is the easiest tek ever.. maybe its just because the write up is so good

now if only i could find some local supply

supply for MHRB? or what... this is super simple you're right. i couldn't believe it, i'm using this for 56g of MHRB but i think i'll use marsofold's tek for my 228g batch that's about to arrive.

01-11-07, 02:43

yeah i wish there was some kinda plant that grew locally that i could just pick and peel

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01-06-07, 16:17	#1 (permalink)
loochypooch Heavy Metal Drummer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 714	Short, Quick, Simple Spice Tek using Quart Jars Let me know if you think this is practical and efficient, I think my friend is about to be swearing by it. There's nothing difficult about this and no special equipment is really required. He wishes someone would have explained it to him this simply in the first place. Required Items Agents - Any amount of MHRB (preferrably 100+g) - Roebic Drain Cleaner (Basic Lye) - VM&P Naptha (Non-Polar Solvent) - Distilled Water Tools - Turkey Baster - Stainless Steel Utensil - Glass Pie Dish - Quart Jars with Lids Note: You will need one quart jar for each cup of mhrb powder (100g of MHRB is about 1 cup powder). Step 1 Prepare Bark: 1) Break and twist up the MHRB by hand into as small pieces as possible, no need to hurt your hands. Use plyers if the bark is tough. 2) Put a handful of the broken up MHRB into the blender to turn it to powder. 3) Empty the powder from the blender into a bowl or large measuring cup and repeat blending until all of the powder is ready. Step 2 Mix Jars: 4) First, add two cups of distilled water to each empty quart jar. Note: Put on goggles and rubber gloves for this part... 5) Add three tablespoons of Lye to each jar. [All of the jars should be about half full of black liquid now.] 6) Stir the liquid gently with the stainless steel utensil. 7) Slowly and gently add 1 cup of mhrb powder to each jar. Be careful not to splatter or spill. 8) Stir the powder gently until it is absorbed into the black liquid. 9) Wipe the tops of the jars and put the lids on, then shake violently. The remainder of his plan is simple. Let the Jars sit overnight. The following day add about 300ml of Naptha to each Jar and shake, then let sit overnight (shaking often). Then he will syphen off the Naptha using the Turkey Baster into the glass Pie Dish, being extremely careful to get only the clear Naptha and no black gunk (lye). He could then add more Naptha, shake, let sit overnight and then syphen again to increase yields. Meanwhile the glass Pie Plate will be filled with nearly pure DMT crystals once the Naptha evaporates completely. Does anyone see any errors in this thinking? __________________ “Thou, O God, dost sell us all good things at the price of labor” --Da Vinci

01-06-07, 20:05	#6 (permalink)
Chaos VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 406	Humm? It sounds a little light on the lye. I have shaken before and the liquid forms an emulsion. If it doesn't separate in short [ 10 min ] time then you need more lye. I will try to find the correct lye/liquid ratio. Good luck!! Spice is nice. __________________ Carpe fermentum

01-06-07, 20:58	#7 (permalink)
loochypooch Heavy Metal Drummer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 714	Per Vortex's quick tek he recommends 1tbsp per 150ml distilled water. Two cups = 450ml, I believe. Therefore 3 tablespoons of Lye fits the recipe. A little more can't hurt he says. Just make sure your liquid is black and it should be a winner... __________________ “Thou, O God, dost sell us all good things at the price of labor” --Da Vinci

01-07-07, 15:05	#14 (permalink)
Elf Salvation VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 623	I have not had lye ever break any jars mason or gallon pickle. I used the gallon miracle whip jars for extractions and they are naptha safe. __________________ Hey...... can it stop

01-06-07, 16:33	#2 (permalink)
eezdharma Mycophage Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 155	I couldn't tell you if there are any errors as I am new to this and only know of a FOAF who has used marsofold's tek. However, I'm sure my FOAF would like to try it as it's seems fairly simple. What kind of results have you gotten from this tek?

01-06-07, 19:04	#4 (permalink)
papalion Mycotopiate Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 211	yeahp. looks fine as quickly as I read it. Good thing spice teks are simple, eh?

01-06-07, 21:06	#8 (permalink)
condo_pygmy Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 474	I don't see why you need distilled water, once you add lye the ph will go way up, so tap water would work just fine, the only time distilled water is really needed is when washing the end product...

01-06-07, 21:10	#9 (permalink)
~CoyoteMesc Guest Posts: n/a	tap water varies dramatically from place to place. ime

01-06-07, 21:23	#10 (permalink)
condo_pygmy Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 474	I suppose so, I've used Dh2o, but found that my tap water works just fine...

01-07-07, 12:14	#12 (permalink)
SLaG Mycophiliac Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 16	Lye solutions can etch glass jars, and after a couple of days it could bust open and spew your solution everywhere. Be careful, and keep an eye out for visible cracks. It might be better to use HDPE containers.

01-07-07, 15:15	#15 (permalink)
loochypooch Heavy Metal Drummer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 714	Revised for simplicity :) Required Items Agents - Any amount of MHRB (preferrably 100+g) - Roebic Drain Cleaner (Basic Lye) - VM&P Naptha (Non-Polar Solvent) - Distilled Water Tools - Turkey Baster - Stainless Steel Utensil - Glass Pie Dish - Quart Jars with Lids Note: You will need one quart jar for each cup of MHRB powder (100g of MHRB is about 1 cup powder). Step 1 Prepare Bark: 1) Break and twist up the MHRB by hand into as small pieces as possible, no need to hurt your hands. Use plyers if the bark is tough. 2) Put a handful of the broken up MHRB into the blender to turn it to powder. 3) Empty the powder from the blender into a bowl or large measuring cup and repeat blending until all of the powder is ready. Step 2 Mix Jars: 4) First, add two cups of distilled water to each empty quart jar. Note: Put on goggles and rubber gloves for this part... 5) Add three tablespoons of Lye to each jar. [All of the jars should be about half full of black liquid now.] 6) Stir the liquid gently with the stainless steel utensil. 7) Slowly and gently add 1 cup of MHRB powder to each jar. Be careful not to splatter or spill. 8) Stir the powder gently until it is absorbed into the black liquid. 9) Add around 150ml+ of Naptha, but make sure there is room to shake contents. 10) Wipe the tops of the jars and put the lids on, then shake thoroughly. Let the jars sit overnight, shake every now and then.... Step 4 Syphen Naptha 1) Syphen the Naptha off the top using the Turkey Baster and squirt it into the glass Pie Dish, being extremely careful to get only the clear Naptha and no black gunk (lye). 2) Add about 150ml more Naptha to the jar, shake and let sit overnight for a second (and then third) pull. Step 5 Evaporate Naptha Put a fan next to, or a dehydrator over the pie dish filled with Naptha. When it is dried out there will be white crystals everywhere. Continue to dry until no Naptha is smelled. There will be an oily residue, which is probably just plant oils and are safe. I don't think you need to clean/defat the crystals further unless you plan on storing them. I would like to see someone post a SIMPLE and precise method for doing that to to add to this tek. __________________ “Thou, O God, dost sell us all good things at the price of labor” --Da Vinci

01-07-07, 17:17	#16 (permalink)
SLaG Mycophiliac Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 16	Well, I can say really, never done it. Ive only heard tale. I guess it depends on the ammount of time exposed, and the concentration of Lye. HDPE is Plastic #2. Look for the triangular recycling symbol with a 2 inside. Solvents will eat certain plastics, and rubbers. Probably the ring on the canning lids.

01-07-07, 18:26	#19 (permalink)
condo_pygmy Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 474	That's very clear for straight base spice, i think the magic is in room temp. extractions...

01-08-07, 02:25	#22 (permalink)
eastwood Mycotopiate Join Date: Jul 1972 Posts: 3,285	Hmmmmm... I think it is time to order some MHRB.....

01-08-07, 11:10	#24 (permalink)
condo_pygmy Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 474	Very good LP, does your friend have a scale ? maybe you could post the weight after the final pulls... it'll be interesting to see the end results from that tek !!

01-08-07, 11:19	#25 (permalink)
loochypooch Heavy Metal Drummer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 714	Real quick... No scale. A pinch was put in a bowl and smoked with effects estimated at 30mg (mild dose I think right?). There is enough there for about 15-20 more of those I suspect. I am told it was also a very smooth smoke as opposed to the oily results from a previous effor, which wasnt the jar tek, but was also different mhrb. His second pull should be drying out this evening and results will be posted. Amazing. __________________ “Thou, O God, dost sell us all good things at the price of labor” --Da Vinci

01-08-07, 17:38	#26 (permalink)
SLaG Mycophiliac Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 16	haha looks like cheese. good job.

01-08-07, 18:14	#27 (permalink)
~CoyoteMesc Guest Posts: n/a	Looks good from my house looch, Swim hopes his turns out that good.

01-08-07, 18:23	#28 (permalink)
~Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 42,765	test any yet ?

01-08-07, 23:32	#29 (permalink)
loochypooch Heavy Metal Drummer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 714	It tested very positively on four subjects I am told. __________________ “Thou, O God, dost sell us all good things at the price of labor” --Da Vinci

01-09-07, 05:14	#30 (permalink)
~vinz Guest Posts: n/a	thats awesome loochypooch! how many grams were used exactly? and how many grams didnt it come out to all in all? or good for how many doses? or something like that.. thanks!

01-09-07, 22:19	#33 (permalink)
loochypooch Heavy Metal Drummer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 714	Upate: The third pull was a bust. Musta got it all in the first two pulls. The first two pulls produced enough spice though, that it was enough to satisfy the curiousity of several people on multiple occasions. PEACE __________________ “Thou, O God, dost sell us all good things at the price of labor” --Da Vinci

01-10-07, 12:53	#34 (permalink)
ciao-mongrel Mycophiliac Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 94	hey guys, i'm new to this as well, i'm sure you're sick of hearing it... but help a brotha out. So I have my 56 g of MHRB and I was wondering if this would yield enough purity for a couple doses...? Also, does anyone know exactly where the extraction tek for 100 g is? I saw it once and can't seem to find it again. Or does anyone want to whip up a tek for 56 g? More MHRB is on the way... thanks a bunch ciao

01-10-07, 13:09	#35 (permalink)
ciao-mongrel Mycophiliac Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 94	about the lye does it matter if one uses the crystalized form of lye, vs. the liquid form?

01-10-07, 14:50	#37 (permalink)
ciao-mongrel Mycophiliac Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 94	right on monsieur... thanks for the help. keep on rockin' in the free world, or whats left of it that is...

01-10-07, 14:55	#38 (permalink)
~CoyoteMesc Guest Posts: n/a	Loochy's tek can be done with 100g of MHRB or just cut the recipe in half for 56g's.

01-10-07, 15:28	#39 (permalink)
ciao-mongrel Mycophiliac Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 94	How about the solid vs. liquid form of lye? would one still use 3 tblspns of it even if solid? hmmm

01-10-07, 15:33	#40 (permalink)
~CoyoteMesc Guest Posts: n/a	I'm guessing Loochy is using solid, I think maybe most would say ml's if using fluid, but I dunno. me thinks Tbsp is universal and it could go either way.

01-10-07, 18:10	#42 (permalink)
ciao-mongrel Mycophiliac Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 94	right on, you are all nobel countrymen indeed. true friends to help introduce others to foreign universes... tonight i shall powder the RB, and add it into the water/lye solution. as well as adding naptha wish me luck, and i hope i don't need it. The west is the best.... -Morrison

01-10-07, 23:23	#43 (permalink)
eezdharma Mycophage Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 155	Hey Ciao, could you post your results when finished? A FOAF wanted to try loochy's tek but only has the crystallized lye as well. Curious to see the results. __________________ Celebrate this chance to be... alive and breathing.

01-10-07, 23:39	#44 (permalink)
loochypooch Heavy Metal Drummer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 714	WARNING: find the right equivalent of powdered lie, it is probably less, but I dont know. i dont want bad information getting out, even though in this case i dont thinka little extra lye would be a problem. You can always add a little at a time, stir and then test the ph -- it should be 13.5 or so. __________________ “Thou, O God, dost sell us all good things at the price of labor” --Da Vinci

01-11-07, 00:34	#45 (permalink)
ciao-mongrel Mycophiliac Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 94	i will step-by-step my buddys procedure with pics as he goes. just powdered the MHRB that purplish dust is glorious... and its only the first step. fantasmatronic what do you'z guyz think about these measurements for 56g of RB. muchas gracias BBB. 1 cup distilled water 1.5 (+) tablespoons NaOH 85ml naptha (per pull) http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=18204 (MHRB Extraction Info) thanks for this ^^^^ pooch. very thorough and informative. I would like to live in a castle made of sand. ciao ps: posting pics? how would one perform said action?

01-11-07, 01:10	#46 (permalink)
eezdharma Mycophage Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 155	1) When posting scroll down to 'Attach Files' 2) Click 'Manage Attachments' 3) Click 'Browse' 4) Pick your photo and click 'open' __________________ Celebrate this chance to be... alive and breathing.

01-11-07, 02:18	#48 (permalink)
~DaGoon Guest Posts: n/a	WOW this shit is simple.. of course one must take care.. but that is the easiest tek ever.. maybe its just because the write up is so good now if only i could find some local supply