How to extract an alternate alkaloid from Mimosa; red 'jungle' dmt[not]

[marsofold]

I once posted this in another place and thought there might be some interest in it here. Before Vovin's Forum went down, a TEK was posted that showed how to extract another, previously unknown, alkaloid from Mimosa Hostilis. The other alkaloid was extracted and formed RED crystals that were insoluble in naptha. Smoking tests of the red crystals showed it to be more powerful than DMT and resulted in a less comfortable trip described as "darker and scary". Although there was a spirited discussion of what it could be, there was no general consensus on what it was, and the best opinion seemed to be that it was some form of beta-carboline. I was emailed this TEK at the time by the author (Critical Switch), and still have it on my hard drive. Critical Switch's original purpose in using a xylene/naptha extraction sequence was to maximize DMT extraction yields. He said that xylene would pull everything out of the Mimosa, then the dried product was washed with naptha to remove the DMT. Claimed an extra 15% DMT yield. However, his xylene/naptha sequence after the naptha wash left a red crystalline residue behind. Always the adventurous soul, he tried smoking the red crystals and got a dark scary trip MUCH stronger than DMT. He called it "Jungle DMT". It was throughly discussed on Vovin's Forum, with no clear consensus of what it could be. Possibly a beta-carboline. Although I have the entire TEK on my hard drive, here are some pix of the parts where he extracted the red crystals. The best thing about it is that in the usual process of extracting DMT from Mimosa, it would normally be thrown away with the fiber. This process extracts BOTH alkaloids. DMT and the "other". The easiest way to do this is to use xylene for the nonpolar extraction and evaporate it with a small fan to a brown powder. Grind up the powder with a mortar and pestle. Then the brown powder is washed on coffee filter paper with naptha. The naptha is retained for freeze-precipitation of the DMT, and what remains on the filter paper is dried out to form bright red hallucinogenic crystals. Stronger than DMT. Comments?

[TheAngryGolfer]

very interesting!

post the entire tek!!!!

especially if it also results in higher yeilds of regular spice

[marsofold]

Yesterday I read a recent trip report by someone on another forum who described it thusly: "Incredibly intense trip. I thought I was never gonna come back from that reality. Scary as hell. I will do it again but not for a few months" Caused me to remember that I still had that old TEK on my hard drive (I have a shitload of ancient DMT lore archived). Critical Switch had also described his trip on it as "dark and scary". This stuff must indeed be scary for two people who never communicated to use that same word to describe it...

[TheAngryGolfer]

what forum was that trip report on?

[marsofold]

entheogen.com...chemistry forum..."could this be a record"...page 6 post by Quantumbrujo. The entire text of the report:

"Sorry there Fmoc,but Jungle DMT is not regular DMT. It is probably Yuremamine,but someone would have to comfirm that. Did you ever smoke the red Jungle DMT? Incredibly intense trip. I thought I was never gonna come back from that reality. Scary as hell. I will do it again but not for a few months and in an outdoor setting in the woods prolly next summer. Good chances it is orally active. I should give it a try,i still have lots of it. In due time. I certainly ain't gonna do it just because I have it. Whatever this red stuff is it sure deserves much further research and much respect for what it can do. Try it you'll see what I mean. It doesn't feel different than regular DMT,just that it's about 20 times more intense,as if the red stuff Is DMT with something else that potetiates the hell out of it. Warp fucking drive is an understatement. I saw the tek that Marsofold is talking about and when I remember where I saw it I'll keep it in my hard drive too. But I've been getting it with diethyl-ether. Maybe xylene gets more of it out I don't know, never used xylene but I'll have to put it on my things to try list. Swim just finished an extraction with vitamin C to acidify and as Condopygmy told me it produces a much cleaner spice,but very little jungle stuff. I also read somewhere that one guy has broken thru eating this red stuff. Supposedly just as intense as smoking,but two or three hours worth of it. Maybe I'll save my lungs and just eat the stuff in gel caps if it works. I could read this and I could read that,but trying it myself will really answer all my questions about mimosa being active on it's own."

I note with some amusement that you have already posted there to the same thread...

[TheAngryGolfer]

yea I guess I didnt read that post

[Landogarner]

Interesting stuff. I am not interested in smoking anything so I am always looking for ways to orally experience such things. Would the mimosa DMT be orally active as well? I haven't researched much about it yet, forgive my ignorance.

[TheAngryGolfer]

Originally Posted by Landogarner

Interesting stuff. I am not interested in smoking anything so I am always looking for ways to orally experience such things. Would the mimosa DMT be orally active as well? I haven't researched much about it yet, forgive my ignorance.

no, its not orally active. not without a MAOI. some people take an MAOI then some DMT freebase orally and it works that way. this is called pharmahuasca. from what I understand its not really like the smoked DMT experiance at all and is much more like ayahuasca, but without the puking.

smoking DMT sucks (the actual smoking, not the effect you get). it tastes bad, hurts your throat and lungs and you always have that worry that you are smoking lye (and its very likely that you are in microscopic amounts).

but its worth doing. I like to describe DMT to people as psychedelic crack. although I have never and will never smoke crack, I think its a good analogy. very very powerful, very short acting, and theres a rush (and of course you use the same sort of things for smoking it as you would crack or meth). as soon as you exhale you get a psychedelic rush.... from sober to peak instanteaneously.

if your going to extract DMT you have to smoke at least some of it. its the whole point. I've never tried pharmahuasca, but with how similar DMT is to psilocin/psilocyibin chemically, I would assume it is very similar to mushrooms.

[waylitjim]

Originally Posted by TheAngryGolfer

I've never tried pharmahuasca, but with how similar DMT is to psilocin/psilocyibin chemically, I would assume it is very similar to mushrooms.

I'm guessing the experience is very similar to ayahuasca and the duration of the trip is probably about the same length as mushrooms. Someday I'll eat some nice clean D along with some harmaline or harmine. Once my extraction technique is perfected, I'll take the leap into pharmahuasca.

[TheAngryGolfer]

Originally Posted by waylitjim

I'm guessing the experience is very similar to ayahuasca and the duration of the trip is probably about the same length as mushrooms. Someday I'll eat some nice clean D along with some harmaline or harmine. Once my extraction technique is perfected, I'll take the leap into pharmahuasca.

you think its more dangerous to take extracted DMT orally than to smoke it?

I would think the opposite.

the main chemical you have to worry about in DMT is lye, obviously... and most extracted DMT probably contains small traces of it.

if you vaporize it, its going directly into your respiratory system, and this is probably at least partially bhind the harshness.

if you eat it, wouldnt it just be neutralized by your stomach acid?

I've put a small amount of my spice on my tounge and it numbss/burns very slightly. I cant imagine it being really bad to ingest. Any real amount of lye would burn the shit out of your tounge and cause real damage if you put it on your tounge.

[cheech]

one thing that is easily done is to be careful of the amount of lye used to basify. once the emulsion clears quickly you know enough lye has been added. i've used this as my indication of proper ph. and i've found very little additional acid is needed in the polar extraction.