BINGO! [dmt success]

ulatek · 03-24-06, 00:00

just when i was about ready to throw this shit away, i put some spice on some parsley for one last try...

HOLY FUCKING SHIT!

i was dosing way way way too low, i put a monster amount on there and lit it up.. what in the fuck?!

my room completely disolved into patterns and i was hearing this shit kinda like cicadas, except they were making music.. all open eye shit couldnt even close my eyes, im still shaking from it. whistling and insectoid music .. my room was totally gone it was like i went to dimension x or some shit, i got a lil scared and fought it off a little but it came full force.

im shaking too much to keep typing this, that was fucking great!

Jaeger · 03-24-06, 00:05

Salvia D I am guessing

Its cool that you enjoied it. Many don't. Personally I have tried a few times, and nada. I kept reading negative reports and put the stuff away

ulatek · 03-24-06, 00:06

no , dmt ... sally has never done anything close to that to me before

TheAngryGolfer · 03-24-06, 00:13

glad to hear it.

you had been eyeballing it, not weighing it, right?

thats why you were underdosing. when I first weighed out 50 mg i was like "damn that looks like alot". the shit is fluffy. 50mg is like a little pile around the width of a penny.

I'm surprised about the not being able to close your eyes thing tho... my eyes usually close involuntarily when I get a good dose....

but whatever, glad it worked out, and the culprit was underdosing and not bad spice.

edit: that was from BBB right? maybe I'll try them out... but Im waiting for late april or may thats supposedly when the best bark is out....

ulatek · 03-24-06, 00:27

its like the room plastered itself to my face then morphed into these crazy gridlike patterns, then the music started and its like the patterns were dancing along with it, and even though my body just lay there i felt like i was voluntarily dancing with the patterns to the music, just not moving at all... i dunno if i broke thru but i got the distinct feeling just a bit more and id be somewhere i wasnt prepared for yet, what i was experiencing was already freaking me out and i felt myself pushin it away.. when i could finally move i stood up quickly and tried to maintain my balance on the liquid floor, for about 2-3 minutes tho i the room was totally gone, i was not here...crazy shit man, cant wait to try again =)

yes i was eyeballing, yes it was BBB... man if im still underdosing ... shit, i AM trying even more next time =D

Jaeger · 03-24-06, 00:40

Wow, very cool. I have read the spirit molecule, and DMT sounds amazing. Very interesting chemical, and the fact that the body makes it is even cooler and more intriguing

synth · 03-24-06, 01:15

this guy i know can't wait to extract some =]

TheAngryGolfer · 03-24-06, 02:12

yea i think SWIM is gonna get a kilo of bark from BBB next month.

I kno exactly what you mean by the gridlike patterns... that shit is crazy it like keeps reproducing itself like some kind of life form. I usually see that with my eyes closed tho but still... smoke a little more next time and you will definately have some entity contact.

smacked12 · 03-24-06, 07:53

welcome aboard ulatek, glad you made it!

ulatek · 03-24-06, 09:25

i actually stopped myself from hitting it again during that, i had been smokin on this shit for a week or so with little to no effect (dosing too low) so i totally did not expect what i got, i remember thinking "if some kinda alien comes creepin up im gonna shit my pants" lol,kinda why i caught myself fighting it a little.. next time im gonna be much more prepared, and im gonna try closing my eyes. the open eye shit was great and very intricate they do have a very biological feel to them. the colors were a bit dull tho ..probably cuz of my room, cant wait to see what it does with my eyes closed

i was watching the incredible hulk on sci fi when i did it, the part where its the confrontation between him and his father just came on (you know where dude is all yelling about the weak little humans n shit), that was going on in the background lol, very fucking weird and made me uneasy, as i was holding in my second hit i crawled to the tv to turn it off, it looked like their heads were morphing into pac-men and bouncing around n shit.. definately sending out a negative vibe lol, its funny when i remember it now though

i smoked it in a corncob pipe lol, worked great
i just couldnt imagine it working better that way, i thought dmt and i automatically thought basepipe..not the way to go for me, i burn most of the stuff up and as small as the ones i use are its hard to dose correctly, the parsley method is definately the way to go

TheAngryGolfer · 03-24-06, 11:11

yea I did did the same thing the first few times, stopped myself from taking another hit. just do it though you will be glad you did

and yea, basepipes are a pain in the ass and a small one is pretty much useless. I have a 6" long straight one. I'm still not sure which method is better. for a while I thought the base pipe was way better but then I had my strongest trip using the parsely method.
base pipes take a while to get vapor and unless you get it all in one hit its kinda tough to get it all before its too late (supposedly if you dont get your whole dose in like a minute, it doesnt work). its also easy to get liquid in your mouth with a base pipe. but you can get a really good hit from a base pipe.
I want one of these.
pipedmt1114zx.jpg
I was trying to make one the other day. I bought a long, thin straight base pipe from a headshop (they charge $20 for them, fuckin ripoff) but when I was bending it with a torch it cracked. I also cant find a place to get a little jar like that... I guess I could just find any little spice jar or bottle with the right size opening for the 2 hole stopper I have tho....
I think that is a good design for a base pipe though. there's no way you can get any liquid in your mouth. I think it would be better with a carb hole in the bottle tho. I suppose I could just melt one though.

smacked12 · 03-24-06, 22:30

there will be no mistaking it once you go, you will know! it's sounds like you where really close but not quite. take that last hit and hold on!

my first time it felt like my spirit/soul/consciouness was being sucked through a tunnel then wham dmt hyperspace. i expanded out through space/time until i was a part of everything.

this last time i thoughti would be more "prepared", wrong. this time the sensation was of a black curtain being pulled closed in front of me. as soon as it closed i felt/saw hands(but as shadows) plunge thru it into my chest. they ripped my consciouness from body and threw it to the other side.

quite the contrast, i definately wasn't prepared.

ulatek · 03-25-06, 01:09

u got that right, last night was nothing compared to what happened tonight. felt like an almost complete different drug (if u can call it that). i got glimpses of "biomechanical" beings, they didnt say anything but i felt like they introduced themselves in a kinda freaky way,like a test.. then there was like a pause or wait for a confirmation from me, i nodded .. i felt like i was being tested, there was more music this time, louder.. maybe not so much music as a rythmic pulse,i cant really describe much of it in words but it was like a blueprint of sorts was laid out in front of me, not that i understood much of it... kinda like they were showing me with a "do you see how this works?" attitude. despite the awe i felt strangely comforted, im still a bit confused by it.. the way emotion and beauty was melded seemlessly into efficient biomechanics. i could see them all around me watching casually, some were different than others, some were like total bio-machines and others seemed like insectoid,or larvae...the only one i can really describe was a dark figure, it had a body but it was completely dark and the rounded face had a big orange spot that moved around like an eyeball.. its neck and other features i could make out were segmented, it seemed very worm-like.. it was the one closest to me,in fact it was practically sitting next to me..like looking over my shoulder at the designs set forth in front of me, i felt it watching me more than the others who were busy showing me.. almost as if it was learning from the whole thing as well,surprisingly i didnt feel uncomfortable by it being so close at all..strangely comfortable in fact,like sitting next to someone in school. they didnt need to speak at all ..the "blueprint" they were showing me would transform according to the questions and thoughts pretaining to it in my head.. i somehow felt it was answering each question and was designed to do so, yet im still left with no answers.. because the language i SPEAK fails to be able to describe the question..

what i was being shown, visually.. very much resembled h.r. geigers artwork.. although there are aspects to it which i dont think could be properly visually represented by even him.

time didnt really seem to exist, i had the feeling i could take as long as i like with the toy they handed me, and it would only end when i wanted it too.. which it did. iit started with the appearance of just one..like poking his head through in a "?", then when i nodded like saying im not scared.. they all came in, quietly and without disruption.. my attention was not directed to them though, it was what they had for me.. like a toy you give a baby to stimulate it...

i definately have a new perspective on things after that,at first i felt all of it was cold and devoid of emotion because of the mechanical aspects of it all.. but i was shown quickly that there was strong love in it all, pure and childlike.. very simple.. i really wish i could describe it better

and i do get chills and shakes when its over, talking or thinking about it makes my nerves act up and i begin to shake a little even then..

amazing is the only word for it, for lack of a better one..
i get the impression that this is what it will come to... whatever that means

all this was open eyed by the way, ive still yet to be able to keep my eyes closed

who are they? i dont know, just hallucinations? i dont believe so..
i get the impression from them its not them thats important here, its what they have to show us..
im thankful they are so friendly, in their own way

TheAngryGolfer · 03-25-06, 02:54

Holy shit! I havent experienced anything THAT intense yet... (Or I just dont remember it... I forget most of what I see within an hour of coming down)

how much did you smoke?

corncob pipe with parsely again?

Did you notice how long the peak (when you were completely immersed in those visons) was?

BTW the bark was from BBB right? if so, all three recent sucess stories on this forum come from there..... was this the "premium purple pink inner bark"?

chill · 03-25-06, 04:05

What is BBB? and what is the bark?

Do you have to do the extraction yourself?

A few more details please.

smacked12 · 03-25-06, 08:03

yes you have to do the extraction yourself. BBB is bouncingbearbotanticals.com, one of the great sponsors here.

here is the extraction tek i used my first time.

The very first extraction worked perfect using mars tek scaled down.
Here it is;
100g of MHRB costs about $30
Mix Solution: 4 oz. of White (5%) Vinegar to 1 quart of Water.
Break the 100g of MHRB into small peices then grind to powder using a blender or coffee grinder.
(the finer it's ground the better).
Place the ground MHRB in small covered Crockpot, add 1/2 of the above
solution till MHRB is completly submerged, turn crockpot on to High.
(use the rest of the solution for the Second extraction)
2 extractions / each for 2 hrs.
When the 2nd extraction is done, clean crockpot for hot water bath.
once complete, press the plant fiber to get the last of the red liquid out.
Strain both extractions in to plastic container & place in freezer for 2 hours. (this is called Cold Filtering)
After 2 hrs at the bottom of the cold plastic container you'll see gummy Brown sediment, throw that brown gum AWAY.
Once both extractions are cold filtered, pour the red fluid into a 750ml Clear wine bottle.
(reason for a clear bottle is too see seperation when extracting naptha)
Preheat your crockpot with Hot water & place your 750ml bottle in the crockpot & turn it on.
Next, to Basify put 1 Tbsp of Lye in a small bottle & slowly add 100ml warm water, swirl to mix thoroughly.
Slowly add the base to your 750ml bottle & upend till it's all BLACK in color.
(turn cap to release pressure after upending)
Leave an inch of space at the Neck of your 750ml bottle for the Hot Naptha.
As for the naptha extraction, place a small bottle filled with about 60ml Naptha in Hot water bath, get it good & HOT. leave cap slighty loose to release pressure. Once the naptha is good & hot, add 20ml of hot naptha to the 750ml bottle neck & upend it for about 3 minutes. (release pressure each time) then Place your 750ml bottle back in the Hot water bath & wait for it to seperate,
It'll seperate in about 10 minutes when it's HOT.
Once seperated use a pipette or eye dropper to extract the hot Naptha containing your spice alkoloids.
Do Three of these 20ml Hot naptha extractions, Put all 3 naptha extractions in small sealed mason jar. (Use a small glass to catch any black specs that might get in, that way you can remove it before adding to your mason jar)
Put sealed jar in freezer, white flake crystals will form in a few hours, but wait overnite till crystals have completely fallen out of solvent. Thoroughly dry on coffee filter. Do this procedure in a cool dry area otherwise it'll melt !!
Final Wash: mix Non soapy Clear Ammonia with water, 50/50 solution in a nip bottle or very small container. Get it Ice Cold !!
Place the coffee filter in a funnel & drip Just a Few ml's of this chilled washing solution over the dried crystals till wet.
(You Only need very little, this will remove traces of lye which make the product harsh)
Crystals will dry in a few hours.
Ready to sample: put lots of ash in bottom of pipe, place a pea sized amount of crystal in & cover with a little more ash, lite & blast off ...!!!
End Results; 100g of MHRB will produce approx. 1/2 gram white flake crystals.

smacked12 · 03-25-06, 08:07

ulatek.. reading your last post is giving me chills...

i am convinced this is so much more than just a drug. last night a friend of mind wanted to go thru. i could tell she was hesitant/scared though. her boyfriend went first and after witnessing it she said she was good to go. after her third hit she was gone, pulled into a trance. within ten seconds she was pushed back out though. she swears "they" where waiting for her but they released her because they sensed her heart had not accepted them.

if it is just a drug, how is this possible? she should have been floored like the rest of us.

Quote:

i get the impression from them its not them thats important here

i get that impression too. they seem honored to be able to spend time with us. they seem so excited/giddy you can feel it radiating out of them. i also get the impression that they would like to do more for us but they can't until we(as a people) become more open and excepting. i almost get the feeling that are proud but somewhat dissappointed parents watching over their children.

reverend trips · 03-25-06, 10:02

Ulatek, that sounds awesome! I think you may have just inspired me to get out the pipe

condo_pygmy · 03-25-06, 11:50

Yeah Ulatek,
the very first spice adventure swim experienced the alien presence.
Open / closed eyed Visuals were amazing to say to least !!

Swim then got a 0.01g digital scale to experiment dosing.
A 0.01g scale can be purchased thru Ebay for about $25, (well worth it)
40mg's seems to be a good amount, however everyones tolerance is different. To get the cleanest out of your spice product washing
is a must, also recrystalization further cleans the spice.
There's several different ways to clean up ya spice. A seperatory funnel works wonders and that too can be found on Ebay, a 125ml sep funnel costs about $25. this will purify the goods with ease. All that's needed is washing soda found in the supermarket next to baking soda.
My wash preference uses a sep funnel at a 10 to 1 ratio. so if you have 100ml naptha alkloids, you add 10ml's Chilled wash solution - (sodium carbonate, Not bi-carb) The sep funnel is shaken up good and the two seperate within seconds, quicky drain the wash solution, then add 10ml's of Chilled distilled h20 which are drained fast. repeat water wash twice. The washed naptha alkaloid solution is then poured into a sealed jar to freeze overnight, then filter out crystals.
For finishing touches swim recrystalizes with heptane (naptha can also be used)
The end product is Very Smooth. No harshness

ulatek · 03-25-06, 11:50

Angry, yup corncob pipe with parsley. I even left the little pipe filter in, doesnt seem to get in the way of anything. im eyeballing my doses and the dose i took last time was approaching double what i first took to get any effect. i definately experienced the "ppeak"..both times really, the room was pretty much gone, i was aware that i was in some form still there... but my vision was not seeing anything that is here now, i didnt get the inner high quality stuff either, although im anxious to try that lol...i got 1 kilo of just the regular. i didnt notice how long the peak was, but like i said itwas like time wasnt a factor.. i didnt feel rushed or hurried, in fact i think they made it a point to let me know i have as much time as i like with the toy, it was only when i was ready for it to go away that it did, it was alot to take in and i wasnt freaked out it was just alot for my brain to process..

i had tried my product before washing,very harsh... but after ammonia wash and mixed with parsley u dont taste anything harsh really, just the wonderful smell of spice, wich i associate with the smell of dimension x hehe, i know what u guys mean by getting to like the taste

smacked, your right on it man..i really am very eager for more sessions with them, they seem to see a LOT of potential in us.,one thing i left out that i think was particuralarly cool..is when i was looking at the "blueprints" i thought "but is this really how it works HERE, is this the the nature of things?" my hand quickly rose, half volunatary and my site was directed towards it, i seen the bones inside it glowing, the the muscle structures attached to them began to show,very much resembling the biomechanical structures... i felt i had my answer, very strong sentience .and its almost like they had a sense of humor, a very innocent and childlike sense of humor.. i do have trouble remembering it ALL, but as i contemplate on it bits and pieces retain memory.. thats why i felt they were giving me the "take your time" feeling, only bite off what u can chew.. theres no rush.

i began this by trying to end up with a drug, what i ended up with is a key...i not for a million years imagined it was going to be like this..

this is the modern day "philosophers stone" spoken of so much by alchemists in the past, as far as im concerned

smacked12 · 03-25-06, 12:07

i'm really glad someone else is experiencing/sensing the same thing! i was really starting to wonder if i had totally lost it!

TheAngryGolfer · 03-25-06, 12:35

yea dmt is definately different than a "drug"
it does seem like some kind of alchemy or magic. ayahuasca is a shamanic potion so it makes sense.
anyway, I'm gonna try the high quality purple pink from BBB next time, seeing as all 3 of the people on here who have recently done their first extraction have been very happy with it. I think my stuff from MJB was pretty good but it seems you are getting a stronger experience. then again you may just be smoking more.
and I have a sep funnel now so I will do a few washes, an epsom dry and a heptane recrystallization so I can get it as clean as possible.
and im gonna make something like this to experiment with the basepipe route again

hopefully this time I wont break the basepipe while bending it again. And I found a nice spice jar I can use for the chamber

I want to try to melt a hole in it for a carb too.

smacked12 · 03-25-06, 12:46

my last order was 227g of inner root and 227g of the regular, to be honest i haven't noticed a difference in quality. but my experience has been limited. the inner did yeild slightly less but i think it was due my inexperience with the extraction tek.

TheAngryGolfer · 03-25-06, 13:04

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Originally Posted by smacked12

my last order was 227g of inner root and 227g of the regular, to be honest i haven't noticed a difference in quality. but my experience has been limited. the inner did yeild slightly less but i think it was due my inexperience with the extraction tek.

what was the yield?

the price difference between a kilo of either is only like $15 so I'm just gonna get a kilo of inner. do half at first then the other half later.

does anyone know if there is any problems with storing MHRB? does it lose potency?

also this time I gotta get a better way to cut it up. last time i used scissors and I got a big blister on my finger and it popped and MHRB powder got in and it got infected. and I gotta wear a mask this time that stuff hurts your lungs.

ulatek · 03-25-06, 13:10

i cut it up by ripping and scissors into like 1" pieces, then i used a GE coffee grinder, pretty much reduced it to fine powder, the pruning scissors at lowes they sell went right thru it with very little effort, whats your idea on cutting it up? its a little time consuming for me
my mhrb sat around near a month before i extracted... it sure doesnt seem it lost any potency hehe

smacked12 · 03-25-06, 14:32

total yeild was 1.75 grams give or take a .mg.

i used heavy duty snips to cut mine up. it was alot easier than scissors.

condo_pygmy · 03-25-06, 16:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaeger

Salvia D I am guessing

Its cool that you enjoied it. Many don't. Personally I have tried a few times, and nada. I kept reading negative reports and put the stuff away

salvia D blows compared to dmt, not even in the same league.

condo_pygmy · 03-25-06, 16:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by smacked12

total yeild was 1.75 grams give or take a .mg.

i used heavy duty snips to cut mine up. it was alot easier than scissors.

smacked was that 1.75g total for both 227g inner bark and 227g regular bark ? You should have got about 1.2g from the inner bark alone.

condo_pygmy · 03-25-06, 19:04

Well i decided to go with a different source and wow what a return. first pull was all milky color, lots of Goodies !!! Now just need to 3x sep wash / freeze and test. If it's anything like the bark last spring i'll be going for the mother load. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10 minutes past and crystals forming in jar, yeehaa !!!!! (This procedure was done using vitamin C instead of vinegar and extracted with Heptane instead of naptha) possibly more efficient ? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

synth · 03-25-06, 20:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by smacked12

Ready to sample: put lots of ash in bottom of pipe, place a pea sized amount of crystal in & cover with a little more ash, lite & blast off ...!!!

a pea sized amount? really? that sounds like a lot...

do you mean like a spherical pea-sized amount or like the diameter of a pea
and only a couple of mm's of thickness?

condo_pygmy · 03-25-06, 20:58

Well it's actually trial and error, start out small until you get the right effects, you'll know when that is. If you do to small a dose you'll only feel a slight rush with no visuals. I weigh out my doses and 40mg's seems to be a good amount. If you want to go into hyperspace then go for 60mg's or more. You can get a 0.01g digi scale for about $25 from Ebay: click search for 0.01g pocket scale, there's many to choose from.

03-25-06, 21:01

The size of an actual pea.. You scaredy cats need to throw a fat ass chunk on there and puff away... Measuring a dose is pointless, as you WILL NOT smoke too much.. Hell, most people don't smoke enough their first few times, so just trust me and put a fat chunk on there and do it right the first time.. Better to do it right than to waste some by not getting where you want... If you don't finish it all, it'll still be there later..

TheAngryGolfer · 03-25-06, 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by ulatek

i cut it up by ripping and scissors into like 1" pieces, then i used a GE coffee grinder, pretty much reduced it to fine powder, the pruning scissors at lowes they sell went right thru it with very little effort, whats your idea on cutting it up? its a little time consuming for me
my mhrb sat around near a month before i extracted... it sure doesnt seem it lost any potency hehe

i was thinking one of those paper cutters maybe. i used a coffee grinder too.

TheAngryGolfer · 03-25-06, 23:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by smacked12

total yeild was 1.75 grams give or take a .mg.

i used heavy duty snips to cut mine up. it was alot easier than scissors.

that was from how much? 227 grams or both bags, or a little over 500g?

TheAngryGolfer · 03-25-06, 23:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by condo_pygmy

Well i decided to go with a different source and wow what a return. first pull was all milky color, lots of Goodies !!! Now just need to 3x sep wash / freeze and test. If it's anything like the bark last spring i'll be going for the mother load. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10 minutes past and crystals forming in jar, yeehaa !!!!! (This procedure was done using vitamin C instead of vinegar and extracted with Heptane instead of naptha) possibly more efficient ? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

what source?!?1 don't keep us all in suspense

or just shoot me a PM if you dont want to say it publicly... and of course let us all know hgow the effect is.

I'm pretty much set on BBB after ulateks experience though...

TheAngryGolfer · 03-25-06, 23:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by pissybee

The size of an actual pea.. You scaredy cats need to throw a fat ass chunk on there and puff away... Measuring a dose is pointless, as you WILL NOT smoke too much.. Hell, most people don't smoke enough their first few times, so just trust me and put a fat chunk on there and do it right the first time.. Better to do it right than to waste some by not getting where you want... If you don't finish it all, it'll still be there later..

measuring is good because it prevents UNDERDOSE.

as you can see from this thread, ulatek thought his spice was garbage because he underdosed several times because he didnt realize how fluffy the stuff is.

if you weight out 50mg you're not gonna underdose.

but yea, if you are gonna eyeball it, about the size of an actual pea is the right amount. maybe a little more but like he said you're not gonna overdose. its not really possible to overdose on DMT (by smoking it at least)

smacked12 · 03-26-06, 11:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAngryGolfer

that was from how much? 227 grams or both bags, or a little over 500g?

that was both combined. i got just over a gram from the regular bark and under 3/4 out of the inner. like i said though it was probably had more to due with my inexperience with the extraction than the quality of the bark.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulatek

and its almost like they had a sense of humor, a very innocent and childlike sense of humor..

THEY DO!

after my last ride i was almost terrified to go back. to be honest i wasn't sure if i could handle what else they wanted to show me. that changed last night.

i had a feeling they where waiting for me so i geared up, took hit and there they where, mocking and laughing at my fear. i could see 20-30 dancing and flying around me but i could feel the presence of thousands all laughing and mocking me. at first it made me uneasy but within seconds i was laughing uncontrollably. at one point one of them flew right up to my face and stuck his tongue out at me. that image will stick in my mind as the funniest goddamn thing i have ever seen.

TheAngryGolfer · 03-26-06, 11:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by smacked12

that was both combined. i got just over a gram from the regular bark and under 3/4 out of the inner. like i said though it was probably had more to due with my inexperience with the extraction than the quality of the bark.

THEY DO!

after my last ride i was almost terrified to go back. to be honest i wasn't sure if i could handle what else they wanted to show me. that changed last night.

i had a feeling they where waiting for me so i geared up, took hit and there they where, mocking and laughing at my fear. i could see 20-30 dancing and flying around me but i could feel the presence of thousands all laughing and mocking me. at first it made me uneasy but within seconds i was laughing uncontrollably. at one point one of them flew right up to my face and stuck his tongue out at me. that image will stick in my mind as the funniest goddamn thing i have ever seen.

thats cool as hell! was that with your eyes open?

smacked12 · 03-26-06, 11:54

no, i've been unable to open my eyes during any of my breakthrus! in my mind at that point my body doesn't exist so there really wouldn't be a point.

it was really strange! they where making fun of me but they where doing it for my benefit. it was just as if one of my best friends was ragging on me for doing something stupid.

TheAngryGolfer · 03-26-06, 11:59

yea i cant open my eyse when I had a good dose either... I dont even realize they are closed until I start coming back

Throbbinwood · 03-27-06, 12:31

Has anyone looked at a clock just before they have doesed and then again when they "come back"? I am wondering how long the typical DMT trip lasts.

condo_pygmy · 03-27-06, 12:47

about 5 - 8 minutes, all depends on the dose.
If a MAOI was consumed 20 minutes prior to dosing
then the experience will last a good hour.
You can get Harmiline freebase, costs very little
(1/2g costs about $25) you only need about 30 mgs of HFB.
Way less dmt is needed when combinding with HFB.
Swim has smoked 30mg's of HFB, waited 20 minutes,
then smoked 30mg's of spice and wow it was a different experience.
Very similar to aya the south american drink. aya can lasT up to 5 hrs.
(no nausea was present with the smoked HFB / spice method)

ulatek · 03-27-06, 22:40

this shit just gets weirder and weirder,ive got something quite interesting to report. but after this ill probably save it for a more appropriate forum.

this weekend me and my girlfriend took a trip out to a state park nearby, id been planning on trying some spice somewhere outside and this seemed the perfect spot. it has a trail, that is pretty much a wooden walkway thats elevated about a foot off the ground that goes deep into the forest for about 2 miles, about halfway through the forest turns to dense swamp then when the walkway ends theres a nice platform with benches etc., this place is very seldom visited.. as most the people that go there are hick fishermen who are more interested in the nearby lake, the end of that walkway is where i pulled out my cob-pipe. the entire walk there was dead silent save for the occasional woodpecker or squirrel.

as soon as i took my first pull, this owl in the distance started going off.. my girlfriend started getting a little scared (the swamp is pretty creepy) and looking at me, i tried to comfort her in hopes she wouldnt do that while i was tripping "its just an owl" i said "shhh dont freak me out while im doin this", i knew it was going to be extra weird at that point.. i took a second pull and as i held it in the water began to shimmer and little orbs of light began shooting off it..when i exhaled that one everything went all "geometrically zig-zagged" and thats when the insect music started, in harmony with the deep sound of frogs, bubbles, various birds and other shit i couldnt describe, i quickly moved my pipe up to my face watching the cob morph in front of my eyes as i pulled yet again... uh-oh, the insectoid music was loud as hell now and as i exhaled that one the already twisted forest burst into dance, the dead trees morphed into twisted faces with gaping mouths,hundreds of them..taking on the forms of the plants all around me they began to dance,flipping over me,landing in one spot pausing just enough to make me think i would get a clearer glimpse before they transformed and darted off again, then shooting somewhere else, white/green orbs of light were everywhere and i was in a forest still, except it was alive and moving, and inbetween every living branch were spiderwebs of rainbow color. the noise of the forest became so loud that it made my head feel like it was going to explode, frods were going nuts, insects, birds, crazy bubbling noises..what sounded like 100 different animals in a symphony that the entities were dancing too, as i came down a bit i began to realize that i was alone in some freaky alien forest..didnt really remember where i was, then my thoughts came back to reality, still horribley hallucinating i looked around.. my girlfriend was not there lol, i freaked a lil and ran down the pathway for awhile and found her walking very fast toward where it turns back to forest from swamp. i was pretty much back to reality by then and she was pretty pissed at me, she described all the shit i heard (without me mentioning it at all) and told me it scared the shit out of her .. she said the water under the walkway was bubbling and the animals were going crazy all at once, just as soon as that conversation began to end an owl landed in a tree not 5 feet from us and made a loud ass noise then flew off, she insisted we walk very quickly back to the car, the whole way leaves were rustling like someone was following us ,and i seen more rare birds in a 10-15 minute period than i have in my whole life. this was extremely weird because the walk up was extremely uneventful and quiet, even when we walked through the swamp we didnt hear a single frog, bird or "bubble" or insect for that matter (i was under the impression its too cold here for them to be out so much anyway). but she definately described to a T hearing all that, and it was the bubbling that got to her and made her bail lol.

i dunno it couldve been a big coincidence but the way it went down was very peculiar, ive never heard anything like that before in my life and neither as she, it was like every living thing decided to sound off as soon as i took a puff of that shit. she still wont smoke it btw , she underdosed on unwashed spice once and i still cant convince her to try it now, after that shes even more bullheaded about it. maybe im just lookin into it too much.. but it struck me very strange, and im pretty excited about it.

the trail was a part of the trail of tears btw, so im sure theres some freaky resonance from days past lingering around out there.. wish id had a recorder!

btw, angry... the size of a pea? ive been dosing way over that! in fact ive been increasing it each time.. i think ive been going a little over 50mg hehe. im running low on spice =/ maybe thats the reason my experiences seem a little stronger, i could be smoking alot more at a time. and i keep meaning to close my eyes but i always seem to forget.. its kinda weird cuz most ppl i read about their experiences and alot of them say their eyes close, mine stay wide open..maybe im still underdosing, dunno.. im sure ill figure it out in time

gotta save some to try when i eat mushrooms =D that should be great

im definately going back with a recorder =D

kija. · 03-27-06, 23:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by condo_pygmy

about 5 - 8 minutes, all depends on the dose.
If a MAOI was consumed 20 minutes prior to dosing
then the experience will last a good hour.
You can get Harmiline freebase, costs very little
(1/2g costs about $25) you only need about 30 mgs of HFB.
Way less dmt is needed when combinding with HFB.
Swim has smoked 30mg's of HFB, waited 20 minutes,
then smoked 30mg's of spice and wow it was a different experience.
Very similar to aya the south american drink. aya can lasT up to 5 hrs.
(no nausea was present with the smoked HFB / spice method)

Does smoking HFB need any special diet???

TheAngryGolfer · 03-28-06, 01:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by ulatek

this shit just gets weirder and weirder,ive got something quite interesting to report. but after this ill probably save it for a more appropriate forum.

this weekend me and my girlfriend took a trip out to a state park nearby, id been planning on trying some spice somewhere outside and this seemed the perfect spot. it has a trail, that is pretty much a wooden walkway thats elevated about a foot off the ground that goes deep into the forest for about 2 miles, about halfway through the forest turns to dense swamp then when the walkway ends theres a nice platform with benches etc., this place is very seldom visited.. as most the people that go there are hick fishermen who are more interested in the nearby lake, the end of that walkway is where i pulled out my cob-pipe. the entire walk there was dead silent save for the occasional woodpecker or squirrel.

as soon as i took my first pull, this owl in the distance started going off.. my girlfriend started getting a little scared (the swamp is pretty creepy) and looking at me, i tried to comfort her in hopes she wouldnt do that while i was tripping "its just an owl" i said "shhh dont freak me out while im doin this", i knew it was going to be extra weird at that point.. i took a second pull and as i held it in the water began to shimmer and little orbs of light began shooting off it..when i exhaled that one everything went all "geometrically zig-zagged" and thats when the insect music started, in harmony with the deep sound of frogs, bubbles, various birds and other shit i couldnt describe, i quickly moved my pipe up to my face watching the cob morph in front of my eyes as i pulled yet again... uh-oh, the insectoid music was loud as hell now and as i exhaled that one the already twisted forest burst into dance, the dead trees morphed into twisted faces with gaping mouths,hundreds of them..taking on the forms of the plants all around me they began to dance,flipping over me,landing in one spot pausing just enough to make me think i would get a clearer glimpse before they transformed and darted off again, then shooting somewhere else, white/green orbs of light were everywhere and i was in a forest still, except it was alive and moving, and inbetween every living branch were spiderwebs of rainbow color. the noise of the forest became so loud that it made my head feel like it was going to explode, frods were going nuts, insects, birds, crazy bubbling noises..what sounded like 100 different animals in a symphony that the entities were dancing too, as i came down a bit i began to realize that i was alone in some freaky alien forest..didnt really remember where i was, then my thoughts came back to reality, still horribley hallucinating i looked around.. my girlfriend was not there lol, i freaked a lil and ran down the pathway for awhile and found her walking very fast toward where it turns back to forest from swamp. i was pretty much back to reality by then and she was pretty pissed at me, she described all the shit i heard (without me mentioning it at all) and told me it scared the shit out of her .. she said the water under the walkway was bubbling and the animals were going crazy all at once, just as soon as that conversation began to end an owl landed in a tree not 5 feet from us and made a loud ass noise then flew off, she insisted we walk very quickly back to the car, the whole way leaves were rustling like someone was following us ,and i seen more rare birds in a 10-15 minute period than i have in my whole life. this was extremely weird because the walk up was extremely uneventful and quiet, even when we walked through the swamp we didnt hear a single frog, bird or "bubble" or insect for that matter (i was under the impression its too cold here for them to be out so much anyway). but she definately described to a T hearing all that, and it was the bubbling that got to her and made her bail lol.

i dunno it couldve been a big coincidence but the way it went down was very peculiar, ive never heard anything like that before in my life and neither as she, it was like every living thing decided to sound off as soon as i took a puff of that shit. she still wont smoke it btw , she underdosed on unwashed spice once and i still cant convince her to try it now, after that shes even more bullheaded about it. maybe im just lookin into it too much.. but it struck me very strange, and im pretty excited about it.

the trail was a part of the trail of tears btw, so im sure theres some freaky resonance from days past lingering around out there.. wish id had a recorder!

btw, angry... the size of a pea? ive been dosing way over that! in fact ive been increasing it each time.. i think ive been going a little over 50mg hehe. im running low on spice =/ maybe thats the reason my experiences seem a little stronger, i could be smoking alot more at a time. and i keep meaning to close my eyes but i always seem to forget.. its kinda weird cuz most ppl i read about their experiences and alot of them say their eyes close, mine stay wide open..maybe im still underdosing, dunno.. im sure ill figure it out in time

gotta save some to try when i eat mushrooms =D that should be great

im definately going back with a recorder =D

from what you are saying you're DEFINATELY not underdosing. I always weigh out around 50mg and it looks around the size of a pea. Sounds like youre getting at least 75. I got around 200mg or so left from my first extraction I'm gonna do a big dose and try really hard to keep my eyes open.

thats pretty crazy about the animals

condo_pygmy · 03-28-06, 09:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by kija.

Does smoking HFB need any special diet???

Foods to avoid with MAOIs:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/maois/maois_info2.shtml

kija. · 03-28-06, 13:02

SWIM knows the diet for oral ingestion,he did not know if smoking was any different. The MAOI isnt in your body aslong correct?? So maybe the diet doesnt need to be so extreme? fast a few hours before and after?? Whats your thoughts from experience?? Thanks

condo_pygmy · 03-28-06, 13:33

Well i didn't have any negative effects from smoking
I was drinking beer at the time and had eatin asortment of food prior to dosing
Felt fine, I timed the experience to a 40 minute hendrix CD (electric ladyland)
the song 1983, a merman i should turn to be was amazing. It was like hearing it for the first time. Hendrix captured the true nature of the trip with mind blowing sounds. (which inhanced the visuals)
a must to hear if you haven't already ?
on the Shulgin psychedelic scale, the trip was a +++

kija. · 03-28-06, 20:41

Great, now SWIM just needs to get rid of the fear from the initial rush. And get all those bad trip reports out of his head. Thank

03-29-06, 00:45

Someone wrote a bad trip report? I never met a person who didn't like it...

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03-24-06, 00:00	#1 (permalink)
ulatek Mycophage Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 162	BINGO! [dmt success] just when i was about ready to throw this shit away, i put some spice on some parsley for one last try... HOLY FUCKING SHIT! i was dosing way way way too low, i put a monster amount on there and lit it up.. what in the fuck?! my room completely disolved into patterns and i was hearing this shit kinda like cicadas, except they were making music.. all open eye shit couldnt even close my eyes, im still shaking from it. whistling and insectoid music .. my room was totally gone it was like i went to dimension x or some shit, i got a lil scared and fought it off a little but it came full force. im shaking too much to keep typing this, that was fucking great! __________________ "As above so below"

03-24-06, 00:06	#3 (permalink)
ulatek Mycophage Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 162	no , dmt ... sally has never done anything close to that to me before __________________ "As above so below"

03-24-06, 00:27	#5 (permalink)
ulatek Mycophage Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 162	its like the room plastered itself to my face then morphed into these crazy gridlike patterns, then the music started and its like the patterns were dancing along with it, and even though my body just lay there i felt like i was voluntarily dancing with the patterns to the music, just not moving at all... i dunno if i broke thru but i got the distinct feeling just a bit more and id be somewhere i wasnt prepared for yet, what i was experiencing was already freaking me out and i felt myself pushin it away.. when i could finally move i stood up quickly and tried to maintain my balance on the liquid floor, for about 2-3 minutes tho i the room was totally gone, i was not here...crazy shit man, cant wait to try again =) yes i was eyeballing, yes it was BBB... man if im still underdosing ... shit, i AM trying even more next time =D __________________ "As above so below"

03-24-06, 09:25	#10 (permalink)
ulatek Mycophage Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 162	i actually stopped myself from hitting it again during that, i had been smokin on this shit for a week or so with little to no effect (dosing too low) so i totally did not expect what i got, i remember thinking "if some kinda alien comes creepin up im gonna shit my pants" lol,kinda why i caught myself fighting it a little.. next time im gonna be much more prepared, and im gonna try closing my eyes. the open eye shit was great and very intricate they do have a very biological feel to them. the colors were a bit dull tho ..probably cuz of my room, cant wait to see what it does with my eyes closed i was watching the incredible hulk on sci fi when i did it, the part where its the confrontation between him and his father just came on (you know where dude is all yelling about the weak little humans n shit), that was going on in the background lol, very fucking weird and made me uneasy, as i was holding in my second hit i crawled to the tv to turn it off, it looked like their heads were morphing into pac-men and bouncing around n shit.. definately sending out a negative vibe lol, its funny when i remember it now though i smoked it in a corncob pipe lol, worked great i just couldnt imagine it working better that way, i thought dmt and i automatically thought basepipe..not the way to go for me, i burn most of the stuff up and as small as the ones i use are its hard to dose correctly, the parsley method is definately the way to go __________________ "As above so below"

03-24-06, 00:05	#2 (permalink)
Jaeger Mycophage Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 176	Salvia D I am guessing Its cool that you enjoied it. Many don't. Personally I have tried a few times, and nada. I kept reading negative reports and put the stuff away

03-24-06, 00:13	#4 (permalink)
TheAngryGolfer Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 379	glad to hear it. you had been eyeballing it, not weighing it, right? thats why you were underdosing. when I first weighed out 50 mg i was like "damn that looks like alot". the shit is fluffy. 50mg is like a little pile around the width of a penny. I'm surprised about the not being able to close your eyes thing tho... my eyes usually close involuntarily when I get a good dose.... but whatever, glad it worked out, and the culprit was underdosing and not bad spice. edit: that was from BBB right? maybe I'll try them out... but Im waiting for late april or may thats supposedly when the best bark is out....

03-24-06, 00:40	#6 (permalink)
Jaeger Mycophage Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 176	Wow, very cool. I have read the spirit molecule, and DMT sounds amazing. Very interesting chemical, and the fact that the body makes it is even cooler and more intriguing

03-24-06, 01:15	#7 (permalink)
synth Mycotopiate Join Date: Aug 1972 Posts: 857	this guy i know can't wait to extract some =]

03-24-06, 02:12	#8 (permalink)
TheAngryGolfer Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 379	yea i think SWIM is gonna get a kilo of bark from BBB next month. I kno exactly what you mean by the gridlike patterns... that shit is crazy it like keeps reproducing itself like some kind of life form. I usually see that with my eyes closed tho but still... smoke a little more next time and you will definately have some entity contact.

03-24-06, 07:53	#9 (permalink)
smacked12 Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 221	welcome aboard ulatek, glad you made it!

03-24-06, 11:11	#11 (permalink)
TheAngryGolfer Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 379	yea I did did the same thing the first few times, stopped myself from taking another hit. just do it though you will be glad you did and yea, basepipes are a pain in the ass and a small one is pretty much useless. I have a 6" long straight one. I'm still not sure which method is better. for a while I thought the base pipe was way better but then I had my strongest trip using the parsely method. base pipes take a while to get vapor and unless you get it all in one hit its kinda tough to get it all before its too late (supposedly if you dont get your whole dose in like a minute, it doesnt work). its also easy to get liquid in your mouth with a base pipe. but you can get a really good hit from a base pipe. I want one of these. pipedmt1114zx.jpg I was trying to make one the other day. I bought a long, thin straight base pipe from a headshop (they charge $20 for them, fuckin ripoff) but when I was bending it with a torch it cracked. I also cant find a place to get a little jar like that... I guess I could just find any little spice jar or bottle with the right size opening for the 2 hole stopper I have tho.... I think that is a good design for a base pipe though. there's no way you can get any liquid in your mouth. I think it would be better with a carb hole in the bottle tho. I suppose I could just melt one though. Last edited by Hippie3; 03-25-06 at 00:09.

03-24-06, 22:30	#12 (permalink)
smacked12 Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 221	there will be no mistaking it once you go, you will know! it's sounds like you where really close but not quite. take that last hit and hold on! my first time it felt like my spirit/soul/consciouness was being sucked through a tunnel then wham dmt hyperspace. i expanded out through space/time until i was a part of everything. this last time i thoughti would be more "prepared", wrong. this time the sensation was of a black curtain being pulled closed in front of me. as soon as it closed i felt/saw hands(but as shadows) plunge thru it into my chest. they ripped my consciouness from body and threw it to the other side. quite the contrast, i definately wasn't prepared.

03-25-06, 01:09	#13 (permalink)
ulatek Mycophage Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 162	u got that right, last night was nothing compared to what happened tonight. felt like an almost complete different drug (if u can call it that). i got glimpses of "biomechanical" beings, they didnt say anything but i felt like they introduced themselves in a kinda freaky way,like a test.. then there was like a pause or wait for a confirmation from me, i nodded .. i felt like i was being tested, there was more music this time, louder.. maybe not so much music as a rythmic pulse,i cant really describe much of it in words but it was like a blueprint of sorts was laid out in front of me, not that i understood much of it... kinda like they were showing me with a "do you see how this works?" attitude. despite the awe i felt strangely comforted, im still a bit confused by it.. the way emotion and beauty was melded seemlessly into efficient biomechanics. i could see them all around me watching casually, some were different than others, some were like total bio-machines and others seemed like insectoid,or larvae...the only one i can really describe was a dark figure, it had a body but it was completely dark and the rounded face had a big orange spot that moved around like an eyeball.. its neck and other features i could make out were segmented, it seemed very worm-like.. it was the one closest to me,in fact it was practically sitting next to me..like looking over my shoulder at the designs set forth in front of me, i felt it watching me more than the others who were busy showing me.. almost as if it was learning from the whole thing as well,surprisingly i didnt feel uncomfortable by it being so close at all..strangely comfortable in fact,like sitting next to someone in school. they didnt need to speak at all ..the "blueprint" they were showing me would transform according to the questions and thoughts pretaining to it in my head.. i somehow felt it was answering each question and was designed to do so, yet im still left with no answers.. because the language i SPEAK fails to be able to describe the question.. what i was being shown, visually.. very much resembled h.r. geigers artwork.. although there are aspects to it which i dont think could be properly visually represented by even him. time didnt really seem to exist, i had the feeling i could take as long as i like with the toy they handed me, and it would only end when i wanted it too.. which it did. iit started with the appearance of just one..like poking his head through in a "?", then when i nodded like saying im not scared.. they all came in, quietly and without disruption.. my attention was not directed to them though, it was what they had for me.. like a toy you give a baby to stimulate it... i definately have a new perspective on things after that,at first i felt all of it was cold and devoid of emotion because of the mechanical aspects of it all.. but i was shown quickly that there was strong love in it all, pure and childlike.. very simple.. i really wish i could describe it better and i do get chills and shakes when its over, talking or thinking about it makes my nerves act up and i begin to shake a little even then.. amazing is the only word for it, for lack of a better one.. i get the impression that this is what it will come to... whatever that means all this was open eyed by the way, ive still yet to be able to keep my eyes closed who are they? i dont know, just hallucinations? i dont believe so.. i get the impression from them its not them thats important here, its what they have to show us.. im thankful they are so friendly, in their own way __________________ "As above so below"

03-25-06, 02:54	#14 (permalink)
TheAngryGolfer Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 379	Holy shit! I havent experienced anything THAT intense yet... (Or I just dont remember it... I forget most of what I see within an hour of coming down) how much did you smoke? corncob pipe with parsely again? Did you notice how long the peak (when you were completely immersed in those visons) was? BTW the bark was from BBB right? if so, all three recent sucess stories on this forum come from there..... was this the "premium purple pink inner bark"?

03-25-06, 04:05	#15 (permalink)
chill celtic tiger Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 1,095	What is BBB? and what is the bark? Do you have to do the extraction yourself? A few more details please.

03-25-06, 08:03	#16 (permalink)
smacked12 Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 221	yes you have to do the extraction yourself. BBB is bouncingbearbotanticals.com, one of the great sponsors here. here is the extraction tek i used my first time. The very first extraction worked perfect using mars tek scaled down. Here it is; 100g of MHRB costs about $30 Mix Solution: 4 oz. of White (5%) Vinegar to 1 quart of Water. Break the 100g of MHRB into small peices then grind to powder using a blender or coffee grinder. (the finer it's ground the better). Place the ground MHRB in small covered Crockpot, add 1/2 of the above solution till MHRB is completly submerged, turn crockpot on to High. (use the rest of the solution for the Second extraction) 2 extractions / each for 2 hrs. When the 2nd extraction is done, clean crockpot for hot water bath. once complete, press the plant fiber to get the last of the red liquid out. Strain both extractions in to plastic container & place in freezer for 2 hours. (this is called Cold Filtering) After 2 hrs at the bottom of the cold plastic container you'll see gummy Brown sediment, throw that brown gum AWAY. Once both extractions are cold filtered, pour the red fluid into a 750ml Clear wine bottle. (reason for a clear bottle is too see seperation when extracting naptha) Preheat your crockpot with Hot water & place your 750ml bottle in the crockpot & turn it on. Next, to Basify put 1 Tbsp of Lye in a small bottle & slowly add 100ml warm water, swirl to mix thoroughly. Slowly add the base to your 750ml bottle & upend till it's all BLACK in color. (turn cap to release pressure after upending) Leave an inch of space at the Neck of your 750ml bottle for the Hot Naptha. As for the naptha extraction, place a small bottle filled with about 60ml Naptha in Hot water bath, get it good & HOT. leave cap slighty loose to release pressure. Once the naptha is good & hot, add 20ml of hot naptha to the 750ml bottle neck & upend it for about 3 minutes. (release pressure each time) then Place your 750ml bottle back in the Hot water bath & wait for it to seperate, It'll seperate in about 10 minutes when it's HOT. Once seperated use a pipette or eye dropper to extract the hot Naptha containing your spice alkoloids. Do Three of these 20ml Hot naptha extractions, Put all 3 naptha extractions in small sealed mason jar. (Use a small glass to catch any black specs that might get in, that way you can remove it before adding to your mason jar) Put sealed jar in freezer, white flake crystals will form in a few hours, but wait overnite till crystals have completely fallen out of solvent. Thoroughly dry on coffee filter. Do this procedure in a cool dry area otherwise it'll melt !! Final Wash: mix Non soapy Clear Ammonia with water, 50/50 solution in a nip bottle or very small container. Get it Ice Cold !! Place the coffee filter in a funnel & drip Just a Few ml's of this chilled washing solution over the dried crystals till wet. (You Only need very little, this will remove traces of lye which make the product harsh) Crystals will dry in a few hours. Ready to sample: put lots of ash in bottom of pipe, place a pea sized amount of crystal in & cover with a little more ash, lite & blast off ...!!! End Results; 100g of MHRB will produce approx. 1/2 gram white flake crystals.

03-25-06, 10:02	#18 (permalink)
reverend trips Former Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,366	Ulatek, that sounds awesome! I think you may have just inspired me to get out the pipe

03-25-06, 11:50	#19 (permalink)
condo_pygmy Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 474	Yeah Ulatek, the very first spice adventure swim experienced the alien presence. Open / closed eyed Visuals were amazing to say to least !! Swim then got a 0.01g digital scale to experiment dosing. A 0.01g scale can be purchased thru Ebay for about $25, (well worth it) 40mg's seems to be a good amount, however everyones tolerance is different. To get the cleanest out of your spice product washing is a must, also recrystalization further cleans the spice. There's several different ways to clean up ya spice. A seperatory funnel works wonders and that too can be found on Ebay, a 125ml sep funnel costs about $25. this will purify the goods with ease. All that's needed is washing soda found in the supermarket next to baking soda. My wash preference uses a sep funnel at a 10 to 1 ratio. so if you have 100ml naptha alkloids, you add 10ml's Chilled wash solution - (sodium carbonate, Not bi-carb) The sep funnel is shaken up good and the two seperate within seconds, quicky drain the wash solution, then add 10ml's of Chilled distilled h20 which are drained fast. repeat water wash twice. The washed naptha alkaloid solution is then poured into a sealed jar to freeze overnight, then filter out crystals. For finishing touches swim recrystalizes with heptane (naptha can also be used) The end product is Very Smooth. No harshness

03-25-06, 11:50	#20 (permalink)
ulatek Mycophage Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 162	Angry, yup corncob pipe with parsley. I even left the little pipe filter in, doesnt seem to get in the way of anything. im eyeballing my doses and the dose i took last time was approaching double what i first took to get any effect. i definately experienced the "ppeak"..both times really, the room was pretty much gone, i was aware that i was in some form still there... but my vision was not seeing anything that is here now, i didnt get the inner high quality stuff either, although im anxious to try that lol...i got 1 kilo of just the regular. i didnt notice how long the peak was, but like i said itwas like time wasnt a factor.. i didnt feel rushed or hurried, in fact i think they made it a point to let me know i have as much time as i like with the toy, it was only when i was ready for it to go away that it did, it was alot to take in and i wasnt freaked out it was just alot for my brain to process.. i had tried my product before washing,very harsh... but after ammonia wash and mixed with parsley u dont taste anything harsh really, just the wonderful smell of spice, wich i associate with the smell of dimension x hehe, i know what u guys mean by getting to like the taste smacked, your right on it man..i really am very eager for more sessions with them, they seem to see a LOT of potential in us.,one thing i left out that i think was particuralarly cool..is when i was looking at the "blueprints" i thought "but is this really how it works HERE, is this the the nature of things?" my hand quickly rose, half volunatary and my site was directed towards it, i seen the bones inside it glowing, the the muscle structures attached to them began to show,very much resembling the biomechanical structures... i felt i had my answer, very strong sentience .and its almost like they had a sense of humor, a very innocent and childlike sense of humor.. i do have trouble remembering it ALL, but as i contemplate on it bits and pieces retain memory.. thats why i felt they were giving me the "take your time" feeling, only bite off what u can chew.. theres no rush. i began this by trying to end up with a drug, what i ended up with is a key...i not for a million years imagined it was going to be like this.. this is the modern day "philosophers stone" spoken of so much by alchemists in the past, as far as im concerned __________________ "As above so below"

03-25-06, 12:07	#21 (permalink)
smacked12 Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 221	i'm really glad someone else is experiencing/sensing the same thing! i was really starting to wonder if i had totally lost it!

03-25-06, 12:35	#22 (permalink)
TheAngryGolfer Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 379	yea dmt is definately different than a "drug" it does seem like some kind of alchemy or magic. ayahuasca is a shamanic potion so it makes sense. anyway, I'm gonna try the high quality purple pink from BBB next time, seeing as all 3 of the people on here who have recently done their first extraction have been very happy with it. I think my stuff from MJB was pretty good but it seems you are getting a stronger experience. then again you may just be smoking more. and I have a sep funnel now so I will do a few washes, an epsom dry and a heptane recrystallization so I can get it as clean as possible. and im gonna make something like this to experiment with the basepipe route again hopefully this time I wont break the basepipe while bending it again. And I found a nice spice jar I can use for the chamber I want to try to melt a hole in it for a carb too.

03-25-06, 12:46	#23 (permalink)
smacked12 Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 221	my last order was 227g of inner root and 227g of the regular, to be honest i haven't noticed a difference in quality. but my experience has been limited. the inner did yeild slightly less but i think it was due my inexperience with the extraction tek.

03-25-06, 13:10	#25 (permalink)
ulatek Mycophage Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 162	i cut it up by ripping and scissors into like 1" pieces, then i used a GE coffee grinder, pretty much reduced it to fine powder, the pruning scissors at lowes they sell went right thru it with very little effort, whats your idea on cutting it up? its a little time consuming for me my mhrb sat around near a month before i extracted... it sure doesnt seem it lost any potency hehe __________________ "As above so below"

03-25-06, 14:32	#26 (permalink)
smacked12 Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 221	total yeild was 1.75 grams give or take a .mg. i used heavy duty snips to cut mine up. it was alot easier than scissors.

03-25-06, 19:04	#29 (permalink)
condo_pygmy Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 474	New batch top notch Well i decided to go with a different source and wow what a return. first pull was all milky color, lots of Goodies !!! Now just need to 3x sep wash / freeze and test. If it's anything like the bark last spring i'll be going for the mother load. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10 minutes past and crystals forming in jar, yeehaa !!!!! (This procedure was done using vitamin C instead of vinegar and extracted with Heptane instead of naptha) possibly more efficient ? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

03-25-06, 20:58	#31 (permalink)
condo_pygmy Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 474	0.01g digital scales Well it's actually trial and error, start out small until you get the right effects, you'll know when that is. If you do to small a dose you'll only feel a slight rush with no visuals. I weigh out my doses and 40mg's seems to be a good amount. If you want to go into hyperspace then go for 60mg's or more. You can get a 0.01g digi scale for about $25 from Ebay: click search for 0.01g pocket scale, there's many to choose from.

03-25-06, 21:01	#32 (permalink)
~pissybee Guest Posts: n/a	The size of an actual pea.. You scaredy cats need to throw a fat ass chunk on there and puff away... Measuring a dose is pointless, as you WILL NOT smoke too much.. Hell, most people don't smoke enough their first few times, so just trust me and put a fat chunk on there and do it right the first time.. Better to do it right than to waste some by not getting where you want... If you don't finish it all, it'll still be there later..

03-26-06, 11:54	#39 (permalink)
smacked12 Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 221	no, i've been unable to open my eyes during any of my breakthrus! in my mind at that point my body doesn't exist so there really wouldn't be a point. it was really strange! they where making fun of me but they where doing it for my benefit. it was just as if one of my best friends was ragging on me for doing something stupid.

03-26-06, 11:59	#40 (permalink)
TheAngryGolfer Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 379	yea i cant open my eyse when I had a good dose either... I dont even realize they are closed until I start coming back

03-27-06, 12:31	#41 (permalink)
Throbbinwood Mycophiliac Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 96	Has anyone looked at a clock just before they have doesed and then again when they "come back"? I am wondering how long the typical DMT trip lasts.

03-27-06, 12:47	#42 (permalink)
condo_pygmy Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 474	about 5 - 8 minutes, all depends on the dose. If a MAOI was consumed 20 minutes prior to dosing then the experience will last a good hour. You can get Harmiline freebase, costs very little (1/2g costs about $25) you only need about 30 mgs of HFB. Way less dmt is needed when combinding with HFB. Swim has smoked 30mg's of HFB, waited 20 minutes, then smoked 30mg's of spice and wow it was a different experience. Very similar to aya the south american drink. aya can lasT up to 5 hrs. (no nausea was present with the smoked HFB / spice method)

03-27-06, 22:40	#43 (permalink)
ulatek Mycophage Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 162	this shit just gets weirder and weirder,ive got something quite interesting to report. but after this ill probably save it for a more appropriate forum. this weekend me and my girlfriend took a trip out to a state park nearby, id been planning on trying some spice somewhere outside and this seemed the perfect spot. it has a trail, that is pretty much a wooden walkway thats elevated about a foot off the ground that goes deep into the forest for about 2 miles, about halfway through the forest turns to dense swamp then when the walkway ends theres a nice platform with benches etc., this place is very seldom visited.. as most the people that go there are hick fishermen who are more interested in the nearby lake, the end of that walkway is where i pulled out my cob-pipe. the entire walk there was dead silent save for the occasional woodpecker or squirrel. as soon as i took my first pull, this owl in the distance started going off.. my girlfriend started getting a little scared (the swamp is pretty creepy) and looking at me, i tried to comfort her in hopes she wouldnt do that while i was tripping "its just an owl" i said "shhh dont freak me out while im doin this", i knew it was going to be extra weird at that point.. i took a second pull and as i held it in the water began to shimmer and little orbs of light began shooting off it..when i exhaled that one everything went all "geometrically zig-zagged" and thats when the insect music started, in harmony with the deep sound of frogs, bubbles, various birds and other shit i couldnt describe, i quickly moved my pipe up to my face watching the cob morph in front of my eyes as i pulled yet again... uh-oh, the insectoid music was loud as hell now and as i exhaled that one the already twisted forest burst into dance, the dead trees morphed into twisted faces with gaping mouths,hundreds of them..taking on the forms of the plants all around me they began to dance,flipping over me,landing in one spot pausing just enough to make me think i would get a clearer glimpse before they transformed and darted off again, then shooting somewhere else, white/green orbs of light were everywhere and i was in a forest still, except it was alive and moving, and inbetween every living branch were spiderwebs of rainbow color. the noise of the forest became so loud that it made my head feel like it was going to explode, frods were going nuts, insects, birds, crazy bubbling noises..what sounded like 100 different animals in a symphony that the entities were dancing too, as i came down a bit i began to realize that i was alone in some freaky alien forest..didnt really remember where i was, then my thoughts came back to reality, still horribley hallucinating i looked around.. my girlfriend was not there lol, i freaked a lil and ran down the pathway for awhile and found her walking very fast toward where it turns back to forest from swamp. i was pretty much back to reality by then and she was pretty pissed at me, she described all the shit i heard (without me mentioning it at all) and told me it scared the shit out of her .. she said the water under the walkway was bubbling and the animals were going crazy all at once, just as soon as that conversation began to end an owl landed in a tree not 5 feet from us and made a loud ass noise then flew off, she insisted we walk very quickly back to the car, the whole way leaves were rustling like someone was following us ,and i seen more rare birds in a 10-15 minute period than i have in my whole life. this was extremely weird because the walk up was extremely uneventful and quiet, even when we walked through the swamp we didnt hear a single frog, bird or "bubble" or insect for that matter (i was under the impression its too cold here for them to be out so much anyway). but she definately described to a T hearing all that, and it was the bubbling that got to her and made her bail lol. i dunno it couldve been a big coincidence but the way it went down was very peculiar, ive never heard anything like that before in my life and neither as she, it was like every living thing decided to sound off as soon as i took a puff of that shit. she still wont smoke it btw , she underdosed on unwashed spice once and i still cant convince her to try it now, after that shes even more bullheaded about it. maybe im just lookin into it too much.. but it struck me very strange, and im pretty excited about it. the trail was a part of the trail of tears btw, so im sure theres some freaky resonance from days past lingering around out there.. wish id had a recorder! btw, angry... the size of a pea? ive been dosing way over that! in fact ive been increasing it each time.. i think ive been going a little over 50mg hehe. im running low on spice =/ maybe thats the reason my experiences seem a little stronger, i could be smoking alot more at a time. and i keep meaning to close my eyes but i always seem to forget.. its kinda weird cuz most ppl i read about their experiences and alot of them say their eyes close, mine stay wide open..maybe im still underdosing, dunno.. im sure ill figure it out in time gotta save some to try when i eat mushrooms =D that should be great im definately going back with a recorder =D __________________ "As above so below"

03-28-06, 13:02	#47 (permalink)
kija. Mycophiliac Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 39	SWIM knows the diet for oral ingestion,he did not know if smoking was any different. The MAOI isnt in your body aslong correct?? So maybe the diet doesnt need to be so extreme? fast a few hours before and after?? Whats your thoughts from experience?? Thanks

03-28-06, 13:33	#48 (permalink)
condo_pygmy Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 474	Well i didn't have any negative effects from smoking I was drinking beer at the time and had eatin asortment of food prior to dosing Felt fine, I timed the experience to a 40 minute hendrix CD (electric ladyland) the song 1983, a merman i should turn to be was amazing. It was like hearing it for the first time. Hendrix captured the true nature of the trip with mind blowing sounds. (which inhanced the visuals) a must to hear if you haven't already ? on the Shulgin psychedelic scale, the trip was a +++