Mimosa extraction (and rue crystals)

02-13-05, 17:46

from I_am_me:
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Roo, have you ever tried the method of extracting mimosa and then letting the final extraction evaporate comepletely off at low temperatures, then scraped up and put in capsules?

Maybe for those who happen to have mimosa and rue on hand by coincedence it would be easier than drinking a mimosa brew? A simple water rue extraction wouldn't be nearly as bad as a big glass of mimoshusca.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
from TehuitiRoo:
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I have not done this with Mimosa. I should give it a second chance. The extraction is VERY hard to get down.

I have done this with Rue. The "salt" tek is definatly the way to go. I always warn everyone not to eat the seeds or pieces of them. For me at least it realy disagrees with me. I realy like Rue extracted this way. One gets nice crystals. I have smoked them at the peak of a shroom trip and I VERY much think everyone should try this at least once. Rue seems to have the same calming effect Caapi does. With the shrooms its a whole new world to explore, they compliment each other quite nicly.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
from I_am_me:
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Interesting.

Is there any liquid you could extract mimosa with that would evaporate easily?

I'll search for the rue salt tek. I want to take some rue alone to see how I react to it.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
rue salt extraction:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/syrian_rue/syrian_rue _extraction2.shtml

from Hippie3:
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I always warn everyone not to eat the seeds or pieces of them. For me at least it realy disagrees with me.

hmm,
i never have had a problem with rue,
i just grind it.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
from I_am_me:
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Sorry to ask another question here, but is DMT soluable in ethyl alcohol, such as everclear? It seems that Phalanax was doing mimosa with vodka or gin.....how about everclear to extract, even with light heat as one would do the mushroom extraction. Then you could strain it and let it evaporate and load into capsules?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
from Wesley:
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I tried ayahusca this weekend mimosa and rue brew it was very hard to get down very very bitter. I started to fell weightless then it all came back up i could not hold it down. i think next time i will try to extract the mimosa.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
from PBeester:
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Yes, DMT is alcohol soluble...<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

What you discuss is quite similar to a project I am currently working on with the goal of gelcapping reduced extracts of mimosa and rue. I extraceted 4oz. of rue per the salt tek. (which I linked to above) It yeilded ~3g of nice crystals. I now wish to extract some mimosa to acompany it. I do not need to refine to smokable quality, but just enough to get a dose in a capsule or two. I_am_me's proposal would seem to accomplish this. Do any of you have any information on the efficacy of a mimosa/ethyl extraction?

On another subject, TehuitiRoo mentioned smoking the harmala crystals on a shroom trip. This also interests me, and I was wondering if freebasing the alkaloids before smoking would be advantageous. Can anyone propose a simple and efficient method to accomplish this? Is it necessary?

Finally, I would like to share some tips that may help those wishing to attempt the rue salt extraction. Many have trouble grinding the seeds. I tried several methods. I had most sucess by adding the whole seeds, along with the diluted acid into a blender. Run this for a min. or two, and everything will be nicely ground. People also have some trouble filtering the stuff both before and after salting/precipitation. If you do not have a vacuum pump, use a tightly knit peice of cotton fabric. This filters through quickly, and seems to catch almost all crystals.

02-14-05, 07:38

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

tips that may help those wishing to attempt the rue salt extraction. Many have trouble grinding the seeds. I tried several methods. I had most sucess by adding the whole seeds, along with the diluted acid into a blender. Run this for a min. or two, and everything will be nicely ground. People also have some trouble filtering the stuff both before and after salting/precipitation. If you do not have a vacuum pump, use a tightly knit peice of cotton fabric. This filters through quickly, and seems to catch almost all crystals.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

02-15-05, 17:19

If I ever get enough money to get some everclear I'll get around to some mimosa and see what comes of it.

The salt tek for the rue sounds pretty straight forwad.

Hehehe I'm not worried about failing in these experiments, I'm worried about succeeding. lol

Hippie3 · 02-25-05, 08:22

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If I ever get enough money to get some everclear I'll get around to some mimosa and see what comes of it.

so how's this alky extraction tek go exactly ?

skullfarmer · 02-25-05, 08:40

acid/base the mimosa,and throw away the rue.when you learn how to do this and get nice clean white crystals,smoke it. shrooms/ayahahsca/lsd are all childs play once you've had the true power of dimethyltryptamine unleashed or your ass.

Hippie3 · 02-25-05, 08:42

i'd disagree,
you'd proly do well to chug a few more brews
before you dismiss huasca as child's play.

taoistshredder · 02-25-05, 09:56

This is so funny - never ever heard of dimethyltryptamine until I saw this guy's page http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fus...20050225065737 and he has a track with that title. Just thought I'd share. All my friends I've played it for think the dude in the beginning is me - he sounds exactly like me. "Everyone needs to just take responcibility for being a stupid pile of crap! Yeah, so, anyway, I'm just chillin..." lol

Hippie3 · 02-25-05, 10:01

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Everyone needs to just take responcibility for being a stupid pile of crap!

lol
not my fault,
i was abused, neglected.
more than just a few genetic defects in there as well.
so don't blame me,
i'm just another victim too.

I_am_me · 02-25-05, 10:11

I've been reading over several extraction teks for mimosa. Plans are to get it down to an extract which can be capsuled. I've read several different methods and I"m trying to figure out exactly which route I'd like to take.

As far as just getting smokable dmt, I could do that sure.

I'd rather be able to get the experience which lasts for several hours in order to help myself get to explorse the mindset a little bit.

The first time going through dmt land I'd rather be traveling at 50 mph and be able to look at some scenery than travel through at 200mph and have everything seem like a blur.

I_am_me · 02-25-05, 10:22

By the way, from what I've gathered dmt is soluble in hot ethyl alcohol.

I've been thinking of doing the extraction very similar to the mushroom extraction.
Grind, put in a jar with some ethyl alcohol, heat in double boiler, strain, repeat.
After 3 extractions, combine them. Reduce to a reasonable amount and then allow the excess to evap off from a baking dish. Scrape up the remains and stuff into capsules.

Do the rue salt extraction seperate and capsule that as well.

Everything I've been reading has pointed to this method working, of course the proof is in the pudding.

skullfarmer · 02-25-05, 13:02

i may need to chug some more aya ,but the whole 4-6 hour death/rebirth thing doesn't seem fun to me anymore,but i can handle a 4-6 min death/rebirth no problem.i feel like i've learned everything any human can possibly learn from shrooms/aya, but pure dmt is showing me the other side clearer than the others ever could.when i take a massive ,mind soul destroying dose of shrooms or aya i have a hard time remembering anything.dmt on the other hand is crystal clear.oh well ,thats just the way i feel about it. peace!

rocketman · 02-25-05, 13:43

just fyi, you can buy 10x rue extractions at iamshaman pretty cheap....maybe its not an apples to apples comparison tho..

Hippie3 · 02-25-05, 13:44

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.i feel like i've learned everything any human can possibly learn from shrooms/aya

that's a pretty bold claim...

02-25-05, 16:11

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Originally Posted by rocketman

just fyi, you can buy 10x rue extractions at iamshaman pretty cheap....maybe its not an apples to apples comparison tho..

DMT is in mimosa and other various plants and salvinorin A is in salvia, different family of drug all together but they have a few similarities.

Son of O'or · 02-25-05, 16:35

Hmmm... Last time I saw Roo, he had grown 2 horns from his head, and was running around the woods naked in search of maidens. I think he may have had a bag of strange blue mushrooms with him... He was ranting and raving about being Pan etc. LOL! Spring is coming...

The "salt" method is the best. There is no need to grind the seeds, just soke them in the acid solution and they will turn to mush. Vac. filtration is a must.

"i feel like i've learned everything any human can possibly learn from hrooms/aya"

LOL! Do not be so sure of this. Take a break of a month or 2 from these things. Do some meditation etc. Then go back. You need to digest what you have learned, before you can go further. Trust me on this. You will find many realities to surf you never knew existed. States of being that your mind cannot even yet comprehend, let alone imagine. Ayahuasca is powerfull medicine, as are shrooms. The knowlege they unlock within you is truly infinite. There are no masters in this realm.

Smoking DMT is fine, but it lacks the depth of Ayahuasca. Its all just one big flash. Ayahuasca lasts for hours. Ayahuasca is medicine for the body as well as the soul and find. You realy have to work with the vine to understand what it means. Sometimes it takes years, sometimes just one experiance. Some people do not even have the visions the first time they drink. Ayahuasca will kill "YOU" and leave the "I" intact.

Work you way up to 50 to 60g chacruna, and 60 to 70 grams of Caapi. You will most likly find yourself laying in the bathroom floor in a pool of vomit and shit. You will also know the meaning of suffering and death. Your life will unfold before your eyes, "you" will die. There is much to be learned from such an experiance. Sweet surrender and the meaning of suffering are but one lesson. Once you understand this, you will understand "you" are a dead man, and seek your true self.

I_am_me · 02-25-05, 16:56

Son of O'or, do you have any opinion as to if you think the ethyl alcohol extraction like done with shrooms would work with the extraction of mimosa?

skullfarmer · 02-25-05, 16:56

this is a universal thought that all shaman feel. aya/shrooms/dmt shows you only so much. you'd be a fool to believe one day you'll know everything . i've been to my death,birth,conception,regressed through my dna 4.6+ billion years ,witnessed the creation of earth,solar system,universe and came face to face with "god". my pitiful soul has seen more than most people can imagine. i would be a fool to expect more from shrooms or ayahausca.my statement was not bold,it was me finally coming to grips with myself.

I_am_me · 02-25-05, 16:57

I'd like to add that I feel there is an infinite amount of knowledge out there to be gained about almost every subject. It would be a challenge to find one person in the world who has learned everything about any subject or experience.

skullfarmer · 02-25-05, 17:09

im sure you can always learn something new in every subject,but in the subjects of creation and the bounds of reality i know all that shrooms/aya wants to show me.dmt on the other hand has blown away what i thought were the bounds of reality.

skullfarmer · 02-25-05, 17:21

i think shrooms/aya has been telling me for some time to leave them alone.i have a few post in another thread about having painful headrushes to the point of blacking out and hearing weird electrical sounds in my head like"zzrrrp" while i trip.i haven't said anything about this before because i didn't want to get flamed for trying to spread false info,but i think i may have had a small stroke while tripping.a month ago i bought a camcorder for myself ,for christmas and i noticed when i smile one side of my mouth doesn't really move.i also have a lazy eye on the same side of my face.i noticed the lazy eye a few years back but the smile has really got me worried. i asked my g/f if she ever noticed it and she said "yeah,but i thought it was just a cute little smirk".i'm not sure what to think,i'm 26! i shoud be healthy as a horse.

skullfarmer · 02-25-05, 17:23

i got alot of topic.sorry :-(

Hippie3 · 02-25-05, 19:49

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i would be a fool to expect more from shrooms or ayahausca

one never expects the unexpected.

Hippie3 · 02-25-05, 19:51

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i didn't want to get flamed for trying to spread false info,but i think i may have had a small stroke while tripping.a month ago

the only reason for flames would be if you
were to state a causal relationship
between the events.
people have strokes all the time,
no shrooms needed.
there's no reason to link the two,
coincidence does not prove cause.

Hippie3 · 02-25-05, 19:53

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this is a universal thought that all shaman feel

another very bold claim,
have you interviewed every shaman ?
i don't recall speaking with you on this matter....

Son of O'or · 02-27-05, 22:10

Shamanism is universal, and it is NOT a dogmatic religion. There is no right or wrong way to do anything! One shaman beats a drum, goes into a trance. Another drinks Ayahuasca, and another chants.

The use of entheogens is universal. Bon shamans in tibet use datura, ganja, and some say cubes. Every shamanic culture that has had access to an entheogen used them. Most modern writers of shamanism are influenced by Mircea Eliande, who refused to comment of the shamanic use of entheogens because of his own cultural bias. Have you ever seen tantric buddhist and hindu art? It screams of the psychedelic experiance. Green Tara anyone? Paintings of Shiva, etc.

These things are not for everyone. Leave them alone if they scare you or if you fear death. It may not be for you.

I like being afraid, being on the edge of a virtual death. I push myself to see deeper and deeper into existance. If I die doing this so be it. I will just return to where I was before I was born. LOL! Never realy left there anyway. Ever hear people who skydive say they feel most alive when they challenge death? Samething...

The use of entheogens is a well respected path in most of the older cultures of the world. It is no more, or no less difficult that any other path. I think the reason it is disliked so much in our culture, is that we have been taught that our own experiances have no meaning. We have been taught to trust a priest or a guru, rather than dive into these realms ourselves. LOL! EVERYONE has access to these realms, and everyones experiances in them are of great personal value. Read about it in a book, or go there? Experiance it from your own reality, or from someone elses. LOL! We are all Shiva, Buddha, Jesus, we all have the same potential.

vp7 · 02-28-05, 00:26

well said.

... damn.

kacey747 · 02-28-05, 01:14

I'm new to this thing and just looking around in the forum
What is mimosa?

02-28-05, 02:31

A tree or shrub conatining DMT, mostly in it's rootbark. Mimosa Hostilis, is the whole name...

Hippie3 · 02-28-05, 09:04

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I like being afraid, being on the edge of a virtual death. I push myself to see deeper and deeper into existance. If I die doing this so be it. I will just return to where I was before I was born. LOL! Never realy left there anyway.

you're never more alive
than when you face death.
well said.

Hippie3 · 02-28-05, 09:06

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We are all Shiva, Buddha, Jesus

as well as everyone else who's ever lived or ever will,
we truly are one yet many.

skullfarmer · 03-01-05, 15:04

hippie,maybe im just a bold person.i've recieved many gifts and learned plenty from mushrooms.i've been given the senses of premonition and clairvoince and it seems as if i had no say in the matter.i didn't pick the mushrooms,they picked me.i practiced shamanism for 6 years and last year i decided to focus on my current life and future ,rather than live in the past or hyperspace.i have slacked off alot on shrooms and aya and i believe dmt will be 'my' final frontier.i will always follow the way of the shaman but my healing days are over. trying to heal for 6 years and taking everyones bad energy into my body may also be a cause of my illness. a normal 26 y/o doesn't have strokes, or head rushes to the point of blacking out.
hippie, i know you feel like you have the right to be critical of everyone on this site cause it's yours, but you must agree,you have no idea what i've gone through in my life and just maybe i do know what i'm talking about.peace

I_am_me · 03-01-05, 15:15

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Originally Posted by skullfarmer

you'd be a fool to believe one day you'll know everything .

I feel as if you missed the point of your own statement.

Peace.

I_am_me · 03-01-05, 15:34

By the way, I'm not trying to insult you. I just don't see how you can say that but then conclude that you could learn everything you can from shrooms or ayahuasca. I feel as if even in the world of the shrooms, if you are truly exploring and learning I don't think several lifetimes is even enough time for your mind to digest everything there is to learn and gain from them. There can also be setbacks which often are why people give up shrooms or other things. Everything can be abused beyond the point of being beneficial.

skullfarmer · 03-01-05, 19:59

Everything can be abused beyond the point of being beneficial.[/QUOTE]

i agree,but for years i didn't believe i was abusing shrooms.i was doing it 1 to 2 times a month in a ritualistic setting.
(knowing everything shrooms /aya has to show me ) and( knowing everything) are 2 different things.i admit i don't know everything there is to know or ever will ,but i strongly feel i know all that can be learned from shrooms/aya.

skullfarmer · 03-01-05, 19:59

i believe this is all i have to add to this thread

Son of O'or · 03-03-05, 21:52

"as well as everyone else who's ever lived or ever will,
we truly are one yet many."

Ahhh.. I see you have been to this place also. Its a wonderfull experiance! Its like the greatest joy one could ever imagine.

To me at least it seems like a "place" but yet that is not the best description.

Hippie3 · 03-03-05, 22:34

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I don't think several lifetimes is even enough time for your mind to digest everything there is to learn

agreed,
which is one reason i believe we must live many times
to learn.

Hippie3 · 03-03-05, 22:35

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To me at least it seems like a "place" but yet that is not the best description.

it's a place alright.
just as real as you or i am...

Son of O'or · 03-06-05, 00:27

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Originally Posted by Hippie3

it's a place alright.
just as real as you or i am...

I would say more real than real. Strange to imagine that if anyone reads this and has not been there. Its definatly, always an "Undiscovered country", but yet very much a place I have been to before. I almost always go there with Ayahuasca, and sometimes with shrooms.

Some shroom trips can be boring, some are just visions of alien worlds, etc. But others can be just as powerfull as Ayahuasca. The vine always takes me "there". It does not matter how the trip goes, I could go to hell in the middle of it, but I always end up "there" in the end.

Everytime I go there, it is a powerfull experiance. When I am there I sense that I am in the place where the Buddha, Christ, the Gods are. Its sort of like the experiance the guy had in the matrix when he chose the "pill of reality". It is honesty much more profound that that. Everytime I go there, its like "holy shit!!, this is reality beyond reality" its the no-where that is everywhere. Its like dying and waking up alive.. Never left the bed.

phalanx · 03-06-05, 07:38

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Originally Posted by Son of O'or

"as well as everyone else who's ever lived or ever will,
we truly are one yet many."

Ahhh.. I see you have been to this place also. Its a wonderfull experiance! Its like the greatest joy one could ever imagine.

To me at least it seems like a "place" but yet that is not the best description.

I got the t-shirt too. It is a cool experience. Nice to know other people have had it. It is amazing to experience being someone else and living their lives with their own concerns and desires. Crazy.

Hippie3 · 03-06-05, 07:44

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experience being someone else and living their lives with their own concerns and desires

or to look into someone's eyes
and see youself looking back out...

skullfarmer · 03-07-05, 08:25

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Originally Posted by Hippie3

or to look into someone's eyes
and see youself looking back out...

or to look into your own eyes and see someone else staring back.i guess i had more to add.

phalanx · 03-07-05, 08:30

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Originally Posted by skullfarmer

or to look into your own eyes and see someone else staring back.i guess i had more to add.

I was never around someone to look into their eyes while tripping, but I can relate to seeing myself as someone else when looking in the mirror or vividly in my minds eye. It has happened on shrooms but on aya the transformation is much more deep and thorough.

Son of O'or · 03-08-05, 19:08

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Originally Posted by skullfarmer

or to look into your own eyes and see someone else staring back.i guess i had more to add.

Yea looking in the mirror is very cool. If you take a large bowl full of water and stare into it, in a room lit by candle light you will see the most remarkable things. A clear glass bowl works best, a punch bowl is ideal. I took one outdoors and tripped on 4 grams. The moon was full. It was a very magickal experiance.

Hippie3 · 03-08-05, 19:46

mirrors can be dangerous toys to the novice however
so take care, you may see more than you care to.

phalanx · 03-08-05, 21:21

Mirrors are magic

03-08-05, 23:19

I love looking in the mirror when I'm tripping hard, I think I look good!!! Gives me the crazy stare in my eyes!!! I look like a nut, which is kind of cool...

skullfarmer · 03-09-05, 12:41

this thread is funny as fuck.we're so far off topic it aint even funny.
hippie,i agree with you about mirrors showing you more than you care to see.once ,while trypn,i decided to go stare into a mirror to see what i could find.i studied my facial expressions for a while then i got real close to the mirror and stared deep into the black depths of my eyes.after a little while i realized i was also being stared at.i jumped back away from the mirror and noticed the "real "me looking at me laughing at my fear. the "real" me without saying a word showed me what the human race is and why we are here .
when the "real" me surfaced in the mirror it showed me how powerful we, or should i say they really are . this being i saw in the mirror showed me that humans will never be capable of using all their powers.these powers that we humans possess are really the powers of these beings that live within us.
it took me a few weeks to get used to standing in front of mirrors after that.i still give a few double takes now and then.

vp7 · 03-09-05, 14:25

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Originally Posted by skullfarmer

this thread is funny as fuck.we're so far off topic it aint even funny.

lol

even funnier when you consider i started it to save another thread (bound for the archives) from being derailed.
fascinating conversation nonetheless.
... and yeah, mirrors are cool.

phalanx · 03-09-05, 14:37

"it took me a few weeks to get used to standing in front of mirrors after that.i still give a few double takes now and then."

LOL
Sometimes I feel like I could pass through a mirror into "mirror world". I bumped my nose a few times trying it.

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02-13-05, 17:46	#1 (permalink)
~(vp) Guest Posts: n/a	Mimosa extraction (and rue crystals) from I_am_me: <blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font> Roo, have you ever tried the method of extracting mimosa and then letting the final extraction evaporate comepletely off at low temperatures, then scraped up and put in capsules? Maybe for those who happen to have mimosa and rue on hand by coincedence it would be easier than drinking a mimosa brew? A simple water rue extraction wouldn't be nearly as bad as a big glass of mimoshusca.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> from TehuitiRoo: <blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font> I have not done this with Mimosa. I should give it a second chance. The extraction is VERY hard to get down. I have done this with Rue. The "salt" tek is definatly the way to go. I always warn everyone not to eat the seeds or pieces of them. For me at least it realy disagrees with me. I realy like Rue extracted this way. One gets nice crystals. I have smoked them at the peak of a shroom trip and I VERY much think everyone should try this at least once. Rue seems to have the same calming effect Caapi does. With the shrooms its a whole new world to explore, they compliment each other quite nicly.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> from I_am_me: <blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font> Interesting. Is there any liquid you could extract mimosa with that would evaporate easily? I'll search for the rue salt tek. I want to take some rue alone to see how I react to it.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> rue salt extraction: http://www.erowid.org/plants/syrian_rue/syrian_rue _extraction2.shtml from Hippie3: <blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font> quote: I always warn everyone not to eat the seeds or pieces of them. For me at least it realy disagrees with me. hmm, i never have had a problem with rue, i just grind it.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> from I_am_me: <blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font> Sorry to ask another question here, but is DMT soluable in ethyl alcohol, such as everclear? It seems that Phalanax was doing mimosa with vodka or gin.....how about everclear to extract, even with light heat as one would do the mushroom extraction. Then you could strain it and let it evaporate and load into capsules?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> from Wesley: <blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font> I tried ayahusca this weekend mimosa and rue brew it was very hard to get down very very bitter. I started to fell weightless then it all came back up i could not hold it down. i think next time i will try to extract the mimosa.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> from PBeester: <blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font> Yes, DMT is alcohol soluble...<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> What you discuss is quite similar to a project I am currently working on with the goal of gelcapping reduced extracts of mimosa and rue. I extraceted 4oz. of rue per the salt tek. (which I linked to above) It yeilded ~3g of nice crystals. I now wish to extract some mimosa to acompany it. I do not need to refine to smokable quality, but just enough to get a dose in a capsule or two. I_am_me's proposal would seem to accomplish this. Do any of you have any information on the efficacy of a mimosa/ethyl extraction? On another subject, TehuitiRoo mentioned smoking the harmala crystals on a shroom trip. This also interests me, and I was wondering if freebasing the alkaloids before smoking would be advantageous. Can anyone propose a simple and efficient method to accomplish this? Is it necessary? Finally, I would like to share some tips that may help those wishing to attempt the rue salt extraction. Many have trouble grinding the seeds. I tried several methods. I had most sucess by adding the whole seeds, along with the diluted acid into a blender. Run this for a min. or two, and everything will be nicely ground. People also have some trouble filtering the stuff both before and after salting/precipitation. If you do not have a vacuum pump, use a tightly knit peice of cotton fabric. This filters through quickly, and seems to catch almost all crystals.

02-14-05, 07:38	#2 (permalink)
~hippie3 Guest Posts: n/a	<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font> tips that may help those wishing to attempt the rue salt extraction. Many have trouble grinding the seeds. I tried several methods. I had most sucess by adding the whole seeds, along with the diluted acid into a blender. Run this for a min. or two, and everything will be nicely ground. People also have some trouble filtering the stuff both before and after salting/precipitation. If you do not have a vacuum pump, use a tightly knit peice of cotton fabric. This filters through quickly, and seems to catch almost all crystals.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

02-25-05, 08:42	#6 (permalink)
Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,268	i'd disagree, you'd proly do well to chug a few more brews before you dismiss huasca as child's play. __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

02-25-05, 10:11	#9 (permalink)
I_am_me Masked Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,534	I've been reading over several extraction teks for mimosa. Plans are to get it down to an extract which can be capsuled. I've read several different methods and I"m trying to figure out exactly which route I'd like to take. As far as just getting smokable dmt, I could do that sure. I'd rather be able to get the experience which lasts for several hours in order to help myself get to explorse the mindset a little bit. The first time going through dmt land I'd rather be traveling at 50 mph and be able to look at some scenery than travel through at 200mph and have everything seem like a blur. __________________ Kindness is a cure.

02-15-05, 17:19	#3 (permalink)
~i_am_me Guest Posts: n/a	If I ever get enough money to get some everclear I'll get around to some mimosa and see what comes of it. The salt tek for the rue sounds pretty straight forwad. Hehehe I'm not worried about failing in these experiments, I'm worried about succeeding. lol

02-25-05, 08:40	#5 (permalink)
skullfarmer Former Member Join Date: Dec 1972 Posts: 161	acid/base the mimosa,and throw away the rue.when you learn how to do this and get nice clean white crystals,smoke it. shrooms/ayahahsca/lsd are all childs play once you've had the true power of dimethyltryptamine unleashed or your ass.

02-25-05, 09:56	#7 (permalink)
taoistshredder Former Member Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 553	This is so funny - never ever heard of dimethyltryptamine until I saw this guy's page http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fus...20050225065737 and he has a track with that title. Just thought I'd share. All my friends I've played it for think the dude in the beginning is me - he sounds exactly like me. "Everyone needs to just take responcibility for being a stupid pile of crap! Yeah, so, anyway, I'm just chillin..." lol

02-25-05, 10:22	#10 (permalink)
I_am_me Masked Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,534	By the way, from what I've gathered dmt is soluble in hot ethyl alcohol. I've been thinking of doing the extraction very similar to the mushroom extraction. Grind, put in a jar with some ethyl alcohol, heat in double boiler, strain, repeat. After 3 extractions, combine them. Reduce to a reasonable amount and then allow the excess to evap off from a baking dish. Scrape up the remains and stuff into capsules. Do the rue salt extraction seperate and capsule that as well. Everything I've been reading has pointed to this method working, of course the proof is in the pudding. __________________ Kindness is a cure.

02-25-05, 13:02	#11 (permalink)
skullfarmer Former Member Join Date: Dec 1972 Posts: 161	i may need to chug some more aya ,but the whole 4-6 hour death/rebirth thing doesn't seem fun to me anymore,but i can handle a 4-6 min death/rebirth no problem.i feel like i've learned everything any human can possibly learn from shrooms/aya, but pure dmt is showing me the other side clearer than the others ever could.when i take a massive ,mind soul destroying dose of shrooms or aya i have a hard time remembering anything.dmt on the other hand is crystal clear.oh well ,thats just the way i feel about it. peace!

02-25-05, 13:43	#12 (permalink)
rocketman GATE KEEPER Join Date: Feb 1971 Posts: 4,533	just fyi, you can buy 10x rue extractions at iamshaman pretty cheap....maybe its not an apples to apples comparison tho.. __________________ robbing a man of his cherished delusions does not make you any wealthier, it just makes him poorer. H3

02-25-05, 16:35	#15 (permalink)
Son of O'or Mycophiliac Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 70	Hmmm... Last time I saw Roo, he had grown 2 horns from his head, and was running around the woods naked in search of maidens. I think he may have had a bag of strange blue mushrooms with him... He was ranting and raving about being Pan etc. LOL! Spring is coming... The "salt" method is the best. There is no need to grind the seeds, just soke them in the acid solution and they will turn to mush. Vac. filtration is a must. "i feel like i've learned everything any human can possibly learn from hrooms/aya" LOL! Do not be so sure of this. Take a break of a month or 2 from these things. Do some meditation etc. Then go back. You need to digest what you have learned, before you can go further. Trust me on this. You will find many realities to surf you never knew existed. States of being that your mind cannot even yet comprehend, let alone imagine. Ayahuasca is powerfull medicine, as are shrooms. The knowlege they unlock within you is truly infinite. There are no masters in this realm. Smoking DMT is fine, but it lacks the depth of Ayahuasca. Its all just one big flash. Ayahuasca lasts for hours. Ayahuasca is medicine for the body as well as the soul and find. You realy have to work with the vine to understand what it means. Sometimes it takes years, sometimes just one experiance. Some people do not even have the visions the first time they drink. Ayahuasca will kill "YOU" and leave the "I" intact. Work you way up to 50 to 60g chacruna, and 60 to 70 grams of Caapi. You will most likly find yourself laying in the bathroom floor in a pool of vomit and shit. You will also know the meaning of suffering and death. Your life will unfold before your eyes, "you" will die. There is much to be learned from such an experiance. Sweet surrender and the meaning of suffering are but one lesson. Once you understand this, you will understand "you" are a dead man, and seek your true self.

02-25-05, 16:56	#16 (permalink)
I_am_me Masked Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,534	Son of O'or, do you have any opinion as to if you think the ethyl alcohol extraction like done with shrooms would work with the extraction of mimosa? __________________ Kindness is a cure.

02-25-05, 16:56	#17 (permalink)
skullfarmer Former Member Join Date: Dec 1972 Posts: 161	this is a universal thought that all shaman feel. aya/shrooms/dmt shows you only so much. you'd be a fool to believe one day you'll know everything . i've been to my death,birth,conception,regressed through my dna 4.6+ billion years ,witnessed the creation of earth,solar system,universe and came face to face with "god". my pitiful soul has seen more than most people can imagine. i would be a fool to expect more from shrooms or ayahausca.my statement was not bold,it was me finally coming to grips with myself.

02-25-05, 16:57	#18 (permalink)
I_am_me Masked Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,534	I'd like to add that I feel there is an infinite amount of knowledge out there to be gained about almost every subject. It would be a challenge to find one person in the world who has learned everything about any subject or experience. __________________ Kindness is a cure.

02-25-05, 17:09	#19 (permalink)
skullfarmer Former Member Join Date: Dec 1972 Posts: 161	im sure you can always learn something new in every subject,but in the subjects of creation and the bounds of reality i know all that shrooms/aya wants to show me.dmt on the other hand has blown away what i thought were the bounds of reality.

02-25-05, 17:21	#20 (permalink)
skullfarmer Former Member Join Date: Dec 1972 Posts: 161	i think shrooms/aya has been telling me for some time to leave them alone.i have a few post in another thread about having painful headrushes to the point of blacking out and hearing weird electrical sounds in my head like"zzrrrp" while i trip.i haven't said anything about this before because i didn't want to get flamed for trying to spread false info,but i think i may have had a small stroke while tripping.a month ago i bought a camcorder for myself ,for christmas and i noticed when i smile one side of my mouth doesn't really move.i also have a lazy eye on the same side of my face.i noticed the lazy eye a few years back but the smile has really got me worried. i asked my g/f if she ever noticed it and she said "yeah,but i thought it was just a cute little smirk".i'm not sure what to think,i'm 26! i shoud be healthy as a horse.

02-25-05, 17:23	#21 (permalink)
skullfarmer Former Member Join Date: Dec 1972 Posts: 161	i got alot of topic.sorry :-(

02-27-05, 22:10	#25 (permalink)
Son of O'or Mycophiliac Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 70	Shamanism is universal, and it is NOT a dogmatic religion. There is no right or wrong way to do anything! One shaman beats a drum, goes into a trance. Another drinks Ayahuasca, and another chants. The use of entheogens is universal. Bon shamans in tibet use datura, ganja, and some say cubes. Every shamanic culture that has had access to an entheogen used them. Most modern writers of shamanism are influenced by Mircea Eliande, who refused to comment of the shamanic use of entheogens because of his own cultural bias. Have you ever seen tantric buddhist and hindu art? It screams of the psychedelic experiance. Green Tara anyone? Paintings of Shiva, etc. These things are not for everyone. Leave them alone if they scare you or if you fear death. It may not be for you. I like being afraid, being on the edge of a virtual death. I push myself to see deeper and deeper into existance. If I die doing this so be it. I will just return to where I was before I was born. LOL! Never realy left there anyway. Ever hear people who skydive say they feel most alive when they challenge death? Samething... The use of entheogens is a well respected path in most of the older cultures of the world. It is no more, or no less difficult that any other path. I think the reason it is disliked so much in our culture, is that we have been taught that our own experiances have no meaning. We have been taught to trust a priest or a guru, rather than dive into these realms ourselves. LOL! EVERYONE has access to these realms, and everyones experiances in them are of great personal value. Read about it in a book, or go there? Experiance it from your own reality, or from someone elses. LOL! We are all Shiva, Buddha, Jesus, we all have the same potential.

02-28-05, 00:26	#26 (permalink)
vp7 Mycophiliac Join Date: Dec 1972 Posts: 98	well said. ... damn.

02-28-05, 01:14	#27 (permalink)
kacey747 Mycophiliac Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 11	I'm new to this thing and just looking around in the forum What is mimosa?

02-28-05, 02:31	#28 (permalink)
~pissybee Guest Posts: n/a	A tree or shrub conatining DMT, mostly in it's rootbark. Mimosa Hostilis, is the whole name...

03-01-05, 15:04	#31 (permalink)
skullfarmer Former Member Join Date: Dec 1972 Posts: 161	hippie,maybe im just a bold person.i've recieved many gifts and learned plenty from mushrooms.i've been given the senses of premonition and clairvoince and it seems as if i had no say in the matter.i didn't pick the mushrooms,they picked me.i practiced shamanism for 6 years and last year i decided to focus on my current life and future ,rather than live in the past or hyperspace.i have slacked off alot on shrooms and aya and i believe dmt will be 'my' final frontier.i will always follow the way of the shaman but my healing days are over. trying to heal for 6 years and taking everyones bad energy into my body may also be a cause of my illness. a normal 26 y/o doesn't have strokes, or head rushes to the point of blacking out. hippie, i know you feel like you have the right to be critical of everyone on this site cause it's yours, but you must agree,you have no idea what i've gone through in my life and just maybe i do know what i'm talking about.peace

03-01-05, 15:34	#33 (permalink)
I_am_me Masked Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,534	By the way, I'm not trying to insult you. I just don't see how you can say that but then conclude that you could learn everything you can from shrooms or ayahuasca. I feel as if even in the world of the shrooms, if you are truly exploring and learning I don't think several lifetimes is even enough time for your mind to digest everything there is to learn and gain from them. There can also be setbacks which often are why people give up shrooms or other things. Everything can be abused beyond the point of being beneficial. __________________ Kindness is a cure.

03-01-05, 19:59	#34 (permalink)
skullfarmer Former Member Join Date: Dec 1972 Posts: 161	Everything can be abused beyond the point of being beneficial.[/QUOTE] i agree,but for years i didn't believe i was abusing shrooms.i was doing it 1 to 2 times a month in a ritualistic setting. (knowing everything shrooms /aya has to show me ) and( knowing everything) are 2 different things.i admit i don't know everything there is to know or ever will ,but i strongly feel i know all that can be learned from shrooms/aya.

03-01-05, 19:59	#35 (permalink)
skullfarmer Former Member Join Date: Dec 1972 Posts: 161	i believe this is all i have to add to this thread

03-03-05, 21:52	#36 (permalink)
Son of O'or Mycophiliac Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 70	"as well as everyone else who's ever lived or ever will, we truly are one yet many." Ahhh.. I see you have been to this place also. Its a wonderfull experiance! Its like the greatest joy one could ever imagine. To me at least it seems like a "place" but yet that is not the best description.

03-08-05, 19:46	#45 (permalink)
Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,268	mirrors can be dangerous toys to the novice however so take care, you may see more than you care to. __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

03-08-05, 21:21	#46 (permalink)
phalanx Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 1970 Posts: 600	Mirrors are magic

03-08-05, 23:19	#47 (permalink)
~pissybee Guest Posts: n/a	I love looking in the mirror when I'm tripping hard, I think I look good!!! Gives me the crazy stare in my eyes!!! I look like a nut, which is kind of cool...

03-09-05, 12:41	#48 (permalink)
skullfarmer Former Member Join Date: Dec 1972 Posts: 161	this thread is funny as fuck.we're so far off topic it aint even funny. hippie,i agree with you about mirrors showing you more than you care to see.once ,while trypn,i decided to go stare into a mirror to see what i could find.i studied my facial expressions for a while then i got real close to the mirror and stared deep into the black depths of my eyes.after a little while i realized i was also being stared at.i jumped back away from the mirror and noticed the "real "me looking at me laughing at my fear. the "real" me without saying a word showed me what the human race is and why we are here . when the "real" me surfaced in the mirror it showed me how powerful we, or should i say they really are . this being i saw in the mirror showed me that humans will never be capable of using all their powers.these powers that we humans possess are really the powers of these beings that live within us. it took me a few weeks to get used to standing in front of mirrors after that.i still give a few double takes now and then.

03-09-05, 14:37	#50 (permalink)
phalanx Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 1970 Posts: 600	"it took me a few weeks to get used to standing in front of mirrors after that.i still give a few double takes now and then." LOL Sometimes I feel like I could pass through a mirror into "mirror world". I bumped my nose a few times trying it.

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