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| Cunning Linguist Join Date: Oct 2006
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![]() | Morel and morel excited! Thanks to workman and greysRDbest there are some great threads on morel cultivation: http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=20284 (Morel Cultivation video - PBS Scientific American Frontiers) http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=21836 (Free Morel PDF files from the USDA) Based on this inspiration and the programmable greenhouse (http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=19076 (The PC Full Auto Greenhouse Build Tek)), will attempt an indoor PC controlled morel grow. Have just about everything needed, except a way to control the simulated heavy rain. Then the light bulb went off. Why not use the upper shelf of the greenhouse to hold an upper water reservoir and the lower plastic container as a lower water reservoir? Then, by adding a water pump at the bottom reservoir and adjusting the size of the holes in the upper reservoir one could program via the pump the desired inches of rain per hour. One could further add a filter between the collection portion and pump portion of the lower reservoir to keep the recycled rain water clean of any possible contams. Helpful info: A Black Morel Culture Syringe (Morchella elata) is available from Sporeworks. Details of indoor morel cultivation: Morels Quote:
Here is a more detailed version of the process described in the above article: http://www.bio.net/bionet/mm/mycolog...ly/002438.html Quote:
United States Patent: 4594809 United States Patent: 4757640 Comprehensive study of morels: Pacific Northwest Research Station - Ecology and management of morels harvested from the forests of western North America Sure would be nice to break out the Dom Pérignon, if one could pull off indoor morel cultivation! Last edited by Hippie3 : 09-08-07 at 12:11. | ||
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![]() | Found out at shroomery that I should get the big buck ($125 versus $18) morel culture syringes for the morel experiments. Ouch! Also, the fruiting temps being 50-60F poses a problem with summer coming up, so looks like I will have to add some a/c control into the equation. If I do pull this off, I will owe myself a big bottle of Dom Pérignon. |
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![]() | Iam also very interested in your future results so please post all the details possible. This is something i would very much like to take up once i have the fascility to do such delicate grows. Best of luck to ya, sending the mushie vibes ur way. |
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According to the experts, apparently the odds are 1000 to 1 against me! | |
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![]() | I knew they were hard, but that hard?? Then i think its pretty much usless for me to even think about growing morels There was that video up here though where they made it look easy as pie to get a tray covered in delicious morels. |
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| im watchin this thread close jackal, best of luck~! i think that for your best chances you should use M. ruffobrunea spores/culture. I believe this is the strain that mills was able to tame into culture and i believe it to be the easiest fruiter of all the morels, have thought that for a long time and now theres research to prove it in the pdf docs from the usda. i do think that the black morel might be your second best bet though...i know that it tends to make quite a few more sclerotia than a "yellow" esculenta type morel.whatever happens...dont give up. Ill be trying this next winter after the fall mushroom harvest is done. |
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![]() | I'm onboard too. There seems to be a building body of knowledge and interest that is likely to result in some breakthroughs in the near future. I predict some posts of some marginally successful grows within 12 months. I have acquired several specimens of dried morels from last spring, including several of the landscape morel, M. ruffobrunea. I hope to make some attempts this winter when I have more free time. Brainbreath at thenook.org had some accidental success getting a few pinheads with the sporeworks.com black morel culture which is also a landscape morel. Another tidbit of information: "Taming the Wild Morel" in Discover magazine, May 1988, 9:58-60. Pictures of Ower’s morel mushrooms and article. I was able to get a crappy fax version from interlibrary loan, but if anyone has this issue or knows where to get it for a color scan to post, please do so. There isn't any helpful culti ation information but the pictures might have some hints on how it is done. Unfortunately, my copy is almost useless in that regard. Keep up the good work. A collective of morel experimenters is very powerful.
__________________ I can't believe I get paid for this. Founder of Sporeworks.com 1998 Workman's Mycotopia Gallery |
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![]() | Got some positive feedback from some vortex application engineers and it seems that the 50-60F range is doable, and maybe even 30-40F. This at least gives me some hope. As an alternative, RR suggested rigging a portable a/c unit to the greenhouse, which he has done, to get into the 60F range. Not settling for easy goals, I have set my cooling goals much lower than that (pun intended). |
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![]() | The vortex worked, but will only be feasible with a large (80 gallon or so) air storage tank, so ditched that idea. Instead, hooked up an a/c (pic 1) to the greenhouse for cooling (as suggested by RR of shrooomery). Also added a HEPA filtered fan to suck in the cold air from the a/c (pic 2) for HEPA filtered a/c and extreme FAE. Also, added a heat diffuser made from a sheet to the a/c exhaust output (pic 3). Put both HEPA fan and a/c on computer control for morel fruiting cycle (pic 4). |
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| if you look at the natural fruiting initiation data for morels on pp421 in GGMM, stamets suggests that varying the temperature quite a bit during fruiting will help . I think it would mimic nature more, as this is what I see at the beginning of the year during morel season and in the fall when Im picking fall edibles.....there a 2-3 week period where temperatures vary alot from day to day...night to night, often with no real linear pattern- some days are 60f and sunny....then the next might be overcast and 45f. |
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"[innoc then] 69-71 degrees F. Four to six weeks later you should observe whitish mycelial. After five weeks, you should also see white to rust colored masses forming. These are the sclerotia. inoculate with about 1,500-4,000 cc sclerotium per meter of substrate. Refrigerate for about one month at temperatures just above freezing (35-40 degrees F). Allow the substrate to return to 65-70 degrees F. "Flood" with sterile H2O. Leave for 24 hours. apply casing to 1/2 inch thick. Allow 7-10 days @ 65-70F for formation of primordia. Location should be dark with one to two air exchanges per hour. Adjust your substrate to 60 percent moisture, relative humidity to 85-95 percent, air temperature to 70-73 degrees F., and air exchanges to six to eight per hour. Light should be maintained on an on/off 12 hour cycle. In three to seven more days, adjust parameters for full fruit-body maturation: Substrate moisture 50 percent, relative humidity 85 percent, air temp 10-15 degrees C., and fresh air exchange at 6 to 8 per hour. Once your mushrooms have reached a length of 126 mm, you may justifiably break out the Dom Perignon, and party on!" | |
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![]() | Cannot locate the supersoil :"Prepare the "supersoil" substrate, the standard mixture is as follows: 20 percent sand, 30 percent soil, 50 percent organic material composed of 80 percent small wood chips, 10 percent rice hulls, 5 percent soybean meal, 5 percent sphagnum. Correct the ph with lime to 7.1-7.3." |
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![]() | Sounds like a pretty ambitious project Jackal... Quote:
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![]() | Immensely ambitious project, I wish you the best and heres a photo top inspire you of a morel I found (too late) in my garden 2 days ago. They grow all around my house but its been dry the past month.. do you think watering the hedgerows would have any effect on their growth? K+++ pin |
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![]() | Started morel LC run today. Procedure was to make LC solution, shut down greenhouse fans, cool mist, ultrasonic, heaters, ac, etc., spray the inside of greenhouse liberly with 70% iso alcohol, wipe everything down, and introduce working equipment, scissors, tape, inoculation loop, LC jars, morel culture syringe, etc. Then, used greenhouse glove box features to perform still air LC inoculation and then greenhouse was put in incubation mode. |