Gymnopilus maybe?

Lazlo · 11-26-07, 11:07

I found these growing from a rotting Ash tree I believe. No print either. Green staining on the base and on the areas where my fingers had been on the stem. The stains then turned a brownish color after a while too. Found in a temperate climate as well. I can't find anything in my books that quite matches it either. A print would've been helpful, but nadda. Armillaria with green staining? I don't know what to think.

hyphaenation · 11-26-07, 12:23

Spectabulous find Lazlo !

hyphaenation · 11-26-07, 12:26

I always get a chuckle when I remember first reading the description of Big Laughing Gym in the Audobon book. As I recall it says something like...

Quote:

Big Laughing Gym brings on gales of laughter and foolish behavior

Lazlo · 11-26-07, 12:40

Cactu says it's Armillaria. I never saw or read about that before. The green staining that can occur in this genus that is. Oh, well!

cactu · 11-28-07, 23:45

i still believe it , did you make a spore print for fun ..
all my best

shroom_seeker · 11-29-07, 14:30

I find Gymnopilus species very tough to ID - read somewhere active species will turn red when contacted with a mild KOH solution.

cleanjar · 11-29-07, 19:50

Very soon there will be a pdf file available for free online of the book "Gymnopilus Mushrooms of North America". It is an older book, but it will give people a much much better understanding of the genus Gymnopilus (which can be quite confusing). It describes over 80 species of Gymnopilus. I'll let you all in on it when the pdf is finished/created.

Cleanjar

Lazlo · 12-01-07, 12:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by cactu

i still believe it , did you make a spore print for fun ..
all my best

Glad you made it over cactu!

As for the printing, I threw the cap and paper in the garbage can, but after some more thought I went dumpster diving and found the paper and stem. No cap though. The printing paper had brick red colored dust on it, along with coffee grinds and all sorts of other funk. lol. I didn't have time to look at the dust microscopically, but I will once I get home. Nothing else in the bag could've left that dust really. I left the paper and stem to dry until I get a chance to check it out. I'll update this thread in 3 weeks or so. Gotta run.

cactu · 12-01-07, 18:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lazlo

Glad you made over cactu!
As for the printing, I threw the cap and paper in the garbage can, but after some more thought I went dumpster diving and found the paper and stem. No cap though. The printing paper had brick red colored dust on it, along with coffee grinds and all sorts of other funk. lol. I didn't have time to look at the dust microscopically, but I will once I get home. Nothing else in the bag could've left that dust really. I left the paper and stem to dry until I get a chance to check it out. I'll update this thread in 3 weeks or so. Gotta run.

umm, i hope i´m wrong, i will cross my fingers , for your update,
all my best.

Lazlo · 12-26-07, 14:09

Well, the dust sure as hell wasn't spores. I don't know. Maybe i'll try to get the dry stem cultured. I went back to the area I found the mushrooms, but I couldn't find the log in particular I found these on. Something's telling me to culture it, but i'm not really up for any b.s.'n at the moment. The last thing I need is yet another useless mushroom spore invading my work area. hehehe

Workman · 12-26-07, 14:48

I've seen something very similar once. The key feature that jarred my memory was the green stains that fade to brownish (reddish). I was pretty excited when I found mine, because it was staining green so dramatically, but by the time I got it home it was just all brown. At the time I macroscopically determined it to be Inocybe haemacta which hasn't been reported in North America.

It could be a significant find for a herbarium but since Inocybes are mycorhizzal there isn't much hope in cultivating it. It would be worthwhile to recollect, photograph and preserve a whole specimen.

Lazlo · 12-26-07, 14:53

Well these were growing from the rotted wood, in which i'm pretty sure it was Ash by the minimal amount of bark that was still in tact.

Great! Here goes yet another marathon. It's a good thing I don't get paid for this Workman. I wouldn't be able to pay attention i'd be so broke.

Workman · 12-26-07, 14:59

Hehe, It may not be an Inocybe and the gill attachment isn't exactly right. The growth on wood is also a problem unless the wood was so rotten that the roots from other plants were growing into it. Try to get it going on agar.

mjshroomer · 12-26-07, 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Workman

I've seen something very similar once. The key feature that jarred my memory was the green stains that fade to brownish (reddish). I was pretty excited when I found mine, because it was staining green so dramatically, but by the time I got it home it was just all brown. At the time I macroscopically determined it to be Inocybe haemacta which hasn't been reported in North America.

It could be a significant find for a herbarium but since Inocybes are mycorhizzal there isn't much hope in cultivating it. It would be worthwhile to recollect, photograph and preserve a whole specimen.

Workman, here is a species of Inocybe haemacta form Switzerland. Observe the light green-blue tinges in the stem near the bottom. The foto is courtesy of my colleague, Tjakko Stijve.

mjshroomer

Lazlo · 12-26-07, 18:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Workman

Try to get it going on agar.

Will do this evening.

Lazlo · 01-06-08, 09:17

Cool, I have action from the dry stem.

~Hippie3 · 01-06-08, 09:26

excellent!

mycot · 01-06-08, 23:05

What Hip said. Excellent work Laz.

Could you ellaborate a little on method used for getting stuff going from dried tissue.
Could be useful to others similarly faced with the problem of saving a rare find.

Lazlo · 01-07-08, 11:21

It's Mucor, not mushroom mycelium.

Still waiting.

There's numerous topics on cloning from dried mycelium in the archives and vaults .

~Hippie3 · 01-07-08, 12:07

bummer.

mycot-
cf. Mycotopia Web Archive: Cloning-Using Dry Tissue

mycot · 01-08-08, 02:45

Thanks Hip.

Seen some others but hadn't come across those particular threads before.

mycot · 01-08-08, 03:20

Yeah bummer Laz.

Sending you good vibes.

Lazlo · 01-08-08, 10:13

The culture @ noon looks good.

Lazlo · 01-08-08, 11:34

One question; what's the significance of the green staining turning brown? Is this mushroom even worthy of cultivating?

Lazlo · 01-09-08, 11:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lazlo

One question; what's the significance of the green staining turning brown? Is this mushroom even worthy of cultivating?

Lazlo · 01-10-08, 11:28

Ok, thanks.

I guess i'll continue on for the hell of it.

Workman · 01-10-08, 12:30

Its hard to predict if it will be worthwhile or not. Personally, I'd like to know what it is and that is impossible without a specimen.

Lazlo · 01-10-08, 13:49

Well i'm going to give a crack at it. I have 3 inoculants that show the exact same type of mycelium you see above @ noon in the plate. So that's a good start I suppose. The others are all mucor.

I'll update the progress soon.

mycot · 01-13-08, 21:18

Laz, dont know if this is helpful or not but if your able to examine some spores microscopically say some possibly still residing on the gills, you'll probably be able to identify whether they belong to genus Gymnopilus.

Lazlo · 01-13-08, 21:25

I threw the mushroom away. I was only able to find the stem. That's why i'm attempting to cultivate it.

mycot · 01-13-08, 22:04

I too have thrown shrooms away, only to later regret it.

Good you've got something to work with though, hope it all turns out worthwhile.
Cheering for ya.

Lazlo · 01-18-08, 08:26

This is one of the cultures i'm left with. The others appear to be a mucor, so hopefully this is the nuts.

eatyualive · 01-18-08, 09:01

nice find!

Lazlo · 02-21-08, 14:38

The mycelium in the plate has turned a bright yellow with a tinge of browning. Neat looking stuff!

The hardwood dust was inoculated on the 2nd of this month and is nearing done. I'm doing a compost project as well just in case. These were found on a severely decayed log.

Lazlo · 02-21-08, 14:47

Makes me a little nervous to be honest. Then again, the color matches the mushrooms sort of. We'll see I guess.

the_chosen_one · 02-21-08, 16:24

really nice work!

moldylogic · 02-22-08, 14:23

Ive seen that type of yellowing before with edibles...
Mushroom excrement 'myco piss' most likely

see http://forums.mycotopia.net/oyster-m...taminated.html (Forgotten Chocolate Cake Contaminated?)

the_chosen_one · 02-22-08, 14:44

chicken of the woods has an orangish tinge to the outer myc as well. the stuff inside is white though.

although gyms are very common at my place, i have never closely inspected the myc.. next time i see them i'll get a better look

Lazlo · 02-22-08, 15:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by moldylogic

Mushroom excrement 'myco piss' most likely

Ehhh, no.

I put a couple of squares into new grain yesterday, so i'll be able to observe what's happening a little better in a few days.

Lazlo · 02-22-08, 16:17

WTH man. Now i'm really wondering the heck's going on here. I wasn't that worried about it, but now am concerned. I was thinking the culture I have was acting like an old Shiitake culture or something similar. Oh well, let's see what happens! The sawdust looks plain white ATM.

Lazlo · 03-05-08, 21:17

It's a contaminate of some sort. The hardwood dust smelled awful. The 2 newer jars that I inoculated colonized in about 2 days after I shook them up. Smelled strange as well.

CoyoteMesc · 03-05-08, 21:23

damn !

sorry man

the_chosen_one · 03-05-08, 22:35

me too.

Lazlo · 03-06-08, 00:18

That's ok, plenty of time.

Lazlo · 05-23-08, 09:10

Well, time to get rolling on this project again. Sorry, i've been really busy with other stuff.

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11-26-07, 12:23	#2 (permalink)
hyphaenation Puck Teknician Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,905	Spectabulous find Lazlo ! __________________ This is the house that Hip built ! Best free university in the world

11-26-07, 12:40	#4 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,692	Cactu says it's Armillaria. I never saw or read about that before. The green staining that can occur in this genus that is. Oh, well! __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

11-29-07, 14:30	#6 (permalink)
shroom_seeker Editor Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,494	I find Gymnopilus species very tough to ID - read somewhere active species will turn red when contacted with a mild KOH solution. __________________ We are on the cutting edge of the revolution Free their minds and their asses will follow - H3

12-26-07, 14:09	#10 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,692	Well, the dust sure as hell wasn't spores. I don't know. Maybe i'll try to get the dry stem cultured. I went back to the area I found the mushrooms, but I couldn't find the log in particular I found these on. Something's telling me to culture it, but i'm not really up for any b.s.'n at the moment. The last thing I need is yet another useless mushroom spore invading my work area. hehehe __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

11-28-07, 23:45	#5 (permalink)
cactu Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 50	i still believe it , did you make a spore print for fun .. all my best

11-29-07, 19:50	#7 (permalink)
cleanjar Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 1971 Posts: 1,096	Very soon there will be a pdf file available for free online of the book "Gymnopilus Mushrooms of North America". It is an older book, but it will give people a much much better understanding of the genus Gymnopilus (which can be quite confusing). It describes over 80 species of Gymnopilus. I'll let you all in on it when the pdf is finished/created. Cleanjar

12-26-07, 14:48	#11 (permalink)
Workman Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 653	I've seen something very similar once. The key feature that jarred my memory was the green stains that fade to brownish (reddish). I was pretty excited when I found mine, because it was staining green so dramatically, but by the time I got it home it was just all brown. At the time I macroscopically determined it to be Inocybe haemacta which hasn't been reported in North America. It could be a significant find for a herbarium but since Inocybes are mycorhizzal there isn't much hope in cultivating it. It would be worthwhile to recollect, photograph and preserve a whole specimen. __________________ I can't believe I get paid for this. Founder of Sporeworks.com 1998

12-26-07, 14:53	#12 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,692	Well these were growing from the rotted wood, in which i'm pretty sure it was Ash by the minimal amount of bark that was still in tact. Great! Here goes yet another marathon. It's a good thing I don't get paid for this Workman. I wouldn't be able to pay attention i'd be so broke. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

12-26-07, 14:59	#13 (permalink)
Workman Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 653	Hehe, It may not be an Inocybe and the gill attachment isn't exactly right. The growth on wood is also a problem unless the wood was so rotten that the roots from other plants were growing into it. Try to get it going on agar. __________________ I can't believe I get paid for this. Founder of Sporeworks.com 1998

01-06-08, 09:17	#16 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,692	Cool, I have action from the dry stem. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

01-06-08, 09:26	#17 (permalink)
~Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 42,760	excellent!

01-06-08, 23:05	#18 (permalink)
mycot Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 359	What Hip said. Excellent work Laz. Could you ellaborate a little on method used for getting stuff going from dried tissue. Could be useful to others similarly faced with the problem of saving a rare find.

01-07-08, 11:21	#19 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,692	It's Mucor, not mushroom mycelium. Still waiting. There's numerous topics on cloning from dried mycelium in the archives and vaults . __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

01-07-08, 12:07	#20 (permalink)
~Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 42,760	bummer. mycot- cf. Mycotopia Web Archive: Cloning-Using Dry Tissue

01-08-08, 02:45	#21 (permalink)
mycot Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 359	Thanks Hip. Seen some others but hadn't come across those particular threads before.

01-08-08, 03:20	#22 (permalink)
mycot Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 359	Yeah bummer Laz. Sending you good vibes.

01-08-08, 11:34	#24 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,692	One question; what's the significance of the green staining turning brown? Is this mushroom even worthy of cultivating? __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

01-10-08, 11:28	#26 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,692	Ok, thanks. I guess i'll continue on for the hell of it. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

01-10-08, 12:30	#27 (permalink)
Workman Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 653	Its hard to predict if it will be worthwhile or not. Personally, I'd like to know what it is and that is impossible without a specimen. __________________ I can't believe I get paid for this. Founder of Sporeworks.com 1998

01-10-08, 13:49	#28 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,692	Well i'm going to give a crack at it. I have 3 inoculants that show the exact same type of mycelium you see above @ noon in the plate. So that's a good start I suppose. The others are all mucor. I'll update the progress soon. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

01-13-08, 21:18	#29 (permalink)
mycot Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 359	Laz, dont know if this is helpful or not but if your able to examine some spores microscopically say some possibly still residing on the gills, you'll probably be able to identify whether they belong to genus Gymnopilus.

01-13-08, 21:25	#30 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,692	I threw the mushroom away. I was only able to find the stem. That's why i'm attempting to cultivate it. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

01-13-08, 22:04	#31 (permalink)
mycot Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 359	I too have thrown shrooms away, only to later regret it. Good you've got something to work with though, hope it all turns out worthwhile. Cheering for ya.

01-18-08, 09:01	#33 (permalink)
eatyualive ExoCannibalist Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,375	nice find! __________________ Click for Eat's Reference

02-21-08, 14:38	#34 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,692	The mycelium in the plate has turned a bright yellow with a tinge of browning. Neat looking stuff! The hardwood dust was inoculated on the 2nd of this month and is nearing done. I'm doing a compost project as well just in case. These were found on a severely decayed log. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

02-21-08, 16:24	#36 (permalink)
the_chosen_one Darth Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,400	really nice work! __________________ "Luck favors the observant." - Workman

02-22-08, 14:23	#37 (permalink)
moldylogic Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 391	Ive seen that type of yellowing before with edibles... Mushroom excrement 'myco piss' most likely see http://forums.mycotopia.net/oyster-m...taminated.html (Forgotten Chocolate Cake Contaminated?)

02-22-08, 14:44	#38 (permalink)
the_chosen_one Darth Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,400	chicken of the woods has an orangish tinge to the outer myc as well. the stuff inside is white though. although gyms are very common at my place, i have never closely inspected the myc.. next time i see them i'll get a better look __________________ "Luck favors the observant." - Workman

02-22-08, 16:17	#40 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,692	WTH man. Now i'm really wondering the heck's going on here. I wasn't that worried about it, but now am concerned. I was thinking the culture I have was acting like an old Shiitake culture or something similar. Oh well, let's see what happens! The sawdust looks plain white ATM. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

03-05-08, 21:17	#41 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,692	It's a contaminate of some sort. The hardwood dust smelled awful. The 2 newer jars that I inoculated colonized in about 2 days after I shook them up. Smelled strange as well. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

03-05-08, 21:23	#42 (permalink)
CoyoteMesc howling mad Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,087	damn ! sorry man __________________ WOODY: Hey, Mr. Peterson, there's a cold one waiting for you. NORM: I know. If she calls, I'm not here.[ (Cheers)

03-05-08, 22:35	#43 (permalink)
the_chosen_one Darth Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,400	me too. __________________ "Luck favors the observant." - Workman

03-06-08, 00:18	#44 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,692	That's ok, plenty of time. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

05-23-08, 09:10	#45 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,692	Well, time to get rolling on this project again. Sorry, i've been really busy with other stuff. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?