Pan subbalteatus

[waylitjim]

A few more beautiful pics from pilzepilze in Germany.

These pics are Panaeolus subbalteatus fruiting in a forest clearing.
It's been used as a dumping area for various horse stable wastes.

Here is some more info on Pan subs...

"Panaeolus subbalteatus, a coprophilous [dung-inhabiting] species, also grows well in other habitats including:
lawns, haystacks, compost heaps, at racetracks and at riding stables in stable shavings of woodchips, hay and manure.
It has a cosmopolitan distribution and is a warm weather mushroom.

Panaeolus subbalteatus grows abundantly during the early spring and early fall months, after heavy rainfalls, in the Pacific Northwest; especially in Oregon state. They are also common in Northern California and Washington. For the outdoor propagation of Panaeolus subbalteatus you must bring home to your garden, bales of rotted hay in which fresh specimens of Panaeolus subbalteatus are already growing. You can place your bales of hay side by side in your back yard or you may wish to shred and then scatter the shredded hay about over a large area in your back yard. When your mushrooms are fruiting, you may wish to place several new bales in and around where the old bales are. This will allow the spores from the old bales to spread into the new ones. For a maximum growth, repeat this process every summer. When the early spring and fall rains come, your garden will have produced a good abundant crop of mushrooms.

Indoor production of either Panaeolus subbalteatus and the related species Copelandia cyanescens can be accomplished in a similar manner by using small starter trays instead of outdoor garden bed boxes. Mycelium can also be obtained from the rotted bales of hay. Using rubber gloves you can collect fresh mycelium from haystacks where your mushrooms are growing and then infused the mycelium into mason jars of sterilized rye grain. This is a working method for producing spawn. Fresh material collected from hay or manure may also be mixed with pasteurized wheat straw and these two mixtures, mycelium and wheat straw provide a perfect symbiotic relationship for producing your mushrooms.

When indoors, humidity should register at least 90 degrees with a temperature of at least 80 to 86 degrees Fahrenheit. A spawn run can be as long as 7 to 12 days when grown in vitro. Types of casing to be used are optional, but peat moss mixed with dolomite works quite effectively. Spread the peat moss in layers over the top of the wheat straw; but not more than an inch to an inch and a half thick.

Your mushrooms which will grow should be incubated in the dark. When they start to appear, primordial formations will began to form and grow when the humidity hits 95 degrees plus % and the air temperature reaches 75 to 80 degrees Fahrenheit. Grow lights are a necessity because they seem to emit the right amount of light that is necessary for the spawning to fruit.

When cropping time approaches, the humidity should average somewhere between 85 to 92%, and the room temperature should not exceed more than from 75 to 80 degrees fahrenheit. This is the best air temperature for the successful cultivation of Panaeolus subbalteatus.

The mushrooms should be harvested when the caps are expanded to a plane position. Pollock mentioned that he had successfully cultivated both Panaeolus subbalteatus and Copelandia cyanescens by using pasteurized wheat straw as a growing medium.

Dosage for Panaeolus subbalteatus is one to two fresh ounces wet weight and from two to five grams dried for an ecstatic and visual experience."

[Hippie3]

nice pix
Panaeolus subbalteatus

In first picture notice that the gills are adnate (broadly attached to the stalk and whitish on their edges.


In the second picture notice that the substrate is manure and the thick stem.


In the third picture notice the substrate is a fertilized lawn and the thinner type of stem.
CAP 2-6 cm broad, convex or bluntly conical becoming broadly convex to broadly umbonate to plane or with uplifted margin; surface smooth or wrinkled, in age sometimes breaking into scales (fissured, not viscid; color variable: brownish to reddish brown or cinnamon brown when moist, fading as it dries to tan, buff, or even whitish (or grayish from spores), often with a darker (reddish-brown to brown or dark gray) marginal zone when partially dried. Flesh thin, brownish.
GILLS Adnate to adnexed or seceding, close, broad, at first pale watery brown or reddish-brown, darkening gradually to black; edges whitish, faces usually mottled in age.
STALK 4-10 cm long, (1)3-6(10) mm thick, equal or tapered at either end, hollow but not fragile, brown to reddish-brown, but often appearing whitish from a fine powder, or dusted gray by spores; apex often paler; usually longitudinally striate throughout; base (and mycelium) occasionally staining faintly bluish when bruised.
VEIL Absent.
SPORE PRINT Black; spores 10-14x7-9 microns, elliptical, smooth.
HABITAT: Scattered to densely gregarious-often in small clumps-in manure, compost, and fertilized lawns; widely distributed.
EDIBILITY: Hallucinogenic-the psilocybin content varies from moderate to low, perhaps due to differences in the nitrogen concentration of the substrate.

[kukukajoob]

Panaeolus subbalteatus fruits on both hay & dung. Have seen cautionaries advising "Do not pick..." from poo in addition to "Picking is OK, but tea only is safe" [vs direct consumption].

Anyone out there with direct experience gathering this shroom from areas adjacent to stables in the Pacific NW? Access to adjacent trails near several stables, but not the actual pastures/stables where the haystacks are.

With the spring rains, they should turn up along the trails, but need advice about wild picking if they show up on road apples instead of haystacks. Is the tea OK to make safe or better to avoid?

Another variety.....
I found a cespitose patch of Panaeolina foenisecii in my backyard which produced dark purple brown sporeprints, but didn't show bluing at any point of injury. This species is reportedly common, but low in magic as compared to the P. subbalteatus.

You guessed it, I didn't grow up around here.

[Hippie3]

Have seen cautionaries advising "Do not pick..." from poo in addition to "Picking is OK, but tea only is safe" [vs direct consumption].

hadn't heard that before.

[kukukajoob]

Hi hip!

The cautionary is on John W. Allen's "Safe-Pik" ID guide.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushroo...lteatus1.shtml

There is a large photo gallery & lots of specifics at:

www.mushroomjohn.com/panaeolussubbalteatus1.htm

Apparently this genus/species is pretty potent [2-5 large] and the most common for this season/area. Fruits like crazy on rotting haystacks after spring rains but also loves road apples. Sounds like a cubie, but its not in the Psilocybe genus at all.

[Hippie3]

hmm,
mj pretty much knows his shit
but i wonder why,
since no explanation was given ?

[candykid420]

Originally Posted by kukukajoob

Another variety.....
I found a cespitose patch of Panaeolina foenisecii in my backyard which produced dark purple brown sporeprints, but didn't show bluing at any point of injury. This species is reportedly common, but low in magic as compared to the P. subbalteatus.

Don't eat those, they are poisonous

[kukukajoob]

Originally Posted by candykid420

Don't eat those, they are poisonous

Thanks Kid. Good to know. Studied the Pan. foenisecii as a exercise in mycology rather than as a potential meal. Not planning to consume any miscellaneous LBM's growing in my yard. The purplish spore print was intriguing. Gary Menser's Field Guide is non-committal in describing some psychoactive species. This one seems to defy exact categorization. Menser described it as mildly psychoactive [psilocybin]. Do you know what the specific toxins are? I've never seen it listed as poisonous, but maybe it needs to be regrouped in the field guide.

Still, would like to locate & identify some active specimens which were unquestionably safe for tripping. Seems like for this time of year/this area, Panaeolus subbalteatus is the only potent variety, yet it has Allen's cautionary attached when growing in poo.

The best native varieties [Liberty Caps, Cyans, & Azurescens] found around here won't be coming out for several months. Presumably, since the winter was mild, there should still be some P.Stunzii's, but haven't seen any.

[kukukajoob]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

hmm,
mj pretty much knows his shit
but i wonder why,
since no explanation was given ?

Brewing the tea would kill any microbes which could produce illness from the poo. The cautionary must be there to keep newbies from picking these off road apples and ingesting directly. The Safe-Pik guide was created a long time ago to reduce emergency room visits for students experimenting. Still, it's not good to assume anything, better to ask around & see who knows firsthand.

[hydrodad]

Sounds like a lot of worry and guess work to me (and potential trouble). Yes, finding free magic along the roadside is great. I used to wander the cow patties of Tennessee for magic. But I decided that all of the time that I spent searching could have been time growing my own safe (unquestionable) shrooms. No cow patties here anymore ! Just an endless supply of magic for all !

[kukukajoob]

Thanks hydro, for the input and advice. Growing is undoubtedly the safest and most reliable way to go, but foraging is a great tradition in the NW and there are numerous species [Liberty caps, Cyans, Azurescens, P. Stunzii, P. Cyanofibrillosa] which can be found in a variety of habitats. Also, several of those species exceed cubies in potency and are fairly easy to identify in the wild. If you love the outdoors, time spent in nature is never a waste. A good find can be collected, dried, & frozen for steady supply. Growing for apartment dwellers does present the ever-present risk of discovery, ergo the need for stealth teks. Doable, but something that stays on the mind, ie how safe are one's heat sources [immersible heaters] left unattended, and is the landlord going to notice that wire going into my tupperware tub? Bottom line, nothing worthwhile is risk-free!

[Hippie3]

i have a few subbalt prints i'll be giving away on our

[wovotom]

ive heard homegrown, or "commercially" grown are more potent, as we do get the liberty cap which i feel causes a real good trip(i ahd a very intense trip on these before but it reqiured a fair few) but just a nice amount of homegrown b+ will do a better job

[waylitjim]

Some interesting Pan subb photos from the Netherlands. I'd swear they were Pan cyans, but MJ says Pan subbs.
Either way, nice grow.

[waylitjim]

Classic mature Pan subbs.
Photo by Angry Shroom

[BennyBlanco]

thats the best pan subb grow I ever seen

yeah i see what your talking about , they look like a mix of both cyans and subs . the bottom pic from the first post has some really light caps for being subs that could easy be mis ID'd . there really hard to tell from indoor grows somtimes . but all the outdoor grows always take on the classic belted cap .its the size that gives them away as well . NICE PICS AS ALWAYS !!!!
later VII

[SporeAddik1]

Do you know what the substrate is? Looks like worm castings because its dark black. I bet they are potent as a MOFO as well.

[SharkieJones]

Nice Pics Jim as usual. I need a vacation to the Netherlands.

[the_chosen_one]

Lickin my chops Jim. I found my 1st Pan Sub of the year at home the other day (will post a pic later) but then we got a bit of a heat wave going on and haven't seen one since. Supposed to rain this weekend tho.

[spacecake]

Nice pictures...
I like the last two pictures !

[I_am_me]

I love how shiny they are. Looks like a tasty glaze mmmm hmmm...