first pan cyan grow questions

[hallucinogeneti]

I just found out that FOF aquired some pan cyans spores a couple months ago. Said they haven't been exposed to any heat or anything and they look like some of the spores have clumped together in the syringe or something. I decided that I couldn't pass this strain up. Question 1: do you think they're still good? Question 2: I read on the shroomery that with some adjustments they can be inoculated using the pf tek method then cased. Can someone verify this? I've only used the pf tek with B+, so any tips would be appreciated.

[lost_onabbey_rd]

spores if properly stored can last years
if you go into the archives.. find waylitjim's pan cyan tek
it's basicaly brf cakes with poo already mixed in
it is probibly the easiest pan tek you'll find
or you can grow them out on plan brf cakes and use that as spawn for bulk substrate, but they will not fruit off plan brf cakes, they require some sort of bulk substate
also pan cyan require a bit more attention then cubies, if you are working with a tub setup then you will need to increase fanning, probibly 2-3 times more often then you are doing with cubies, that is one reason green houses are recommended for this species.
lost

[hallucinogeneti]

very helpful tek..I suppose the only question I have left is should you buy manure? does it have to be horse manure?

[spacecake]

All kinds of manure work,I think a little aged horse manure is best,but you can use worm casting,cow poo,compost..see what you can get your hands one !

[Nabby]

I've heard equine (donkey/horse) manure is a bit better for this than the standard bovine manure. Shouldn't be hard to get, tho... just find a stable in your area and ask to go shovel some to take home for your garden. It's what I do... if they're not doing anything with it, they'll surely not mind giving some up.

[hallucinogeneti]

sweet thanks for the quick replies. When FOF gets this going I'll be sure to post it.

[waylitjim]

Good Luck

[fedshtkpndrk]

I have a question WayLitJim, I am attempting to fruit some Pan Cyan Australian's from straw in one cased aluminum foil bread pan, and your Modified PF Tek recipe w/h-poo cased in another. I have been trying for a while to get the cased straw to pin and eventually fruit. I am growing in a 64qt Sterilite Container kept at 83f with a RH of 93%, it is forced humidified and air exchanged with a TropicAire and a 60 Gallon Air Pump. I just put the Tray in the terrarium with your PF Method after incubating 48 hours. I am using a 60/40 Verm/Coir Casing with no buffers. With my cased straw recipe I cannot get it to pin for the life of me. Should I keep this tray and keep trying? I applied some new casing to the tray, being as the prior casing had been taken over. Am I spinning my wheels, or will I be able to salvage this with a transfer to H-poo/Verm/BRF mix? Thanks to all

[rip]

Originally Posted by fedshtkpndrk

I am using a 60/40 Verm/Coir Casing with no buffers. With my cased straw recipe I cannot get it to pin for the life of me. Should I keep this tray and keep trying? I applied some new casing to the tray, being as the prior casing had been taken over. Am I spinning my wheels, or will I be able to salvage this with a transfer to H-poo/Verm/BRF mix? Thanks to all

Pans require a thin and non-nutrious casing. Like 8mm or less of verm / peat moss (/ calcium carbonate, optional) or low nutrient potting soil or something like that. If the first pins do not appear in 10 days from casing it is probably a failure. (I would toss it, but if you want to try transfer, use pasteurized manure based substrate with no flour or grains.)

[fedshtkpndrk]

Cool, and thank you rip I have 3 large bags of Pan Cyan spawn that Im about to case in some trays, I will try the Verm / Peat Moss Casing. Coir seems to work great with Cubes ime, but I am venturing into new territory. Thanks again!

[waylitjim]

For the casing I used a 50/50 blend vermiculite and cactus soil. The casing layer contained quite a bit of nutrient, and performed better than a non-nutritious casing. It was a blend of peat moss, earthworm castings, bone meal, blood meal, cottonseed meal, and alfalfa meal. Calcium carbonate was also included. Everyone has different results, this is just what worked for me.

[fedshtkpndrk]

Do you sterilize your casing? If so what is your time and PSI. Thanks again.

[golly]

I also believe in spiking the casing layer with a small amount of nutrients for Panaeolus [5% manure or castings] ..It seems to increase pinset..

The casing mix is normally pasteurized when nutrients are in the mix...

[fedshtkpndrk]

Sweet, I'm pasteurizing some 50/50, Verm/Cactus Mix per WayLitJim, expect some pics soon.

[waylitjim]

Originally Posted by fedshtkpndrk

Do you sterilize your casing?

I usually pasteurize the casing ingredients in a hot water bath.

[fedshtkpndrk]

I am pastuerizing in those kickass Reynolds Aluminum pockets, I have one large one sitting inside of my PC with the top off, filled with water a fifth of the way (a lil more than a gallon). The bag is kept off the bottom with the canning rack (and buoyancy), the water temp is kept around 170 for 2 hrs, which I monitor with a thermo.

[lost_onabbey_rd]

pans require alot of fresh air
how many times a day is the air getting circulated?

[fedshtkpndrk]

I would imagine it is getting fully refreshed a few times an hour, I am running a 60 gallon aquarium air pump with a 55 gallon capacity reptile Air Exchanger/Humidifier 24/7 into a 64qt terrarium. If I knew the (cfm) I would be able to tell you exacts.

[fedshtkpndrk]

I have a question regarding how you water the casing for Pans, with cubes I have always watered the sh** out of the casing after applying a thin layer, incubating for 48 hrs. then, I water it really good again when it goes in the terrarium. If I see an abundance of overlay I tend to water it really well again then I leave it be. When Pinning I would inject water into the bottom verm layer roughly 10cc at a time, and continue to inject throughout the fruiting with out spraying the casing. I know there are many schools of thought on misting pins and when to stop if/and how much to mist them. I am looking to get a nice pinset and not ruin this batch, or else back to sporeworks for Goliath this time instead of the Aussies.

[hallucinogeneti]

due to a shitty work schedule I am still getting my shit together. I picked up some bagged composted cow manure mixed with humus at the garden store. My question is, do I still need to soak it overnight? It seems plenty moist to me. Also, I couldn't find hydrated lime so I bought "garden lime" it says it's safer than hydrated somehow. But other than that I decided to go with waylit's tek, except I'm going to borrow the concept from hippies' "casing for dummies" tek and use gladware containers instead of fruiting them from the jars. So we'll see how it works. Waylit, I'm also curious of the details of your pasturization technique.

[waylitjim]

Originally Posted by hallucinogeneti

due to a shitty work schedule I am still getting my shit together. I picked up some bagged composted cow manure mixed with humus at the garden store. My question is, do I still need to soak it overnight? It seems plenty moist to me. Also, I couldn't find hydrated lime so I bought "garden lime" it says it's safer than hydrated somehow. But other than that I decided to go with waylit's tek, except I'm going to borrow the concept from hippies' "casing for dummies" tek and use gladware containers instead of fruiting them from the jars.

Bagged manure tends to be hit or miss. As far as the garden lime, what brand is it? Just make sure it's not dolomitic lime, which can damage mycelia.

Originally Posted by hallucinogeneti

Waylit, I'm also curious of the details of your pasturization technique.

Very simple, using a pillow case, submerge the casing mixture in a hot water bath for 1 hr. Keep the water temp around 160 F.

[fedshtkpndrk]

Hi All, I just got done casing 3 trays of Pan Cyan Aussies, cased via Waylit's Pan Cyan Tek (50/50, Cactus Soil/Verm). Wish Me Luck

[spacecake]

Good luck with those Ausies !

[hallucinogeneti]

it's called Espona Garden Lime, and I just found out it's dolomitic. FUCK! Thanks for the info about the past. technique though, This is why I check with the mycotopiates. Is it worth trying the bagged shit in your opinion? I want to get it right the first time.

[fedshtkpndrk]

ime, the bagged poo is either too high in nitrogen, or too high in sodium (steer manure usually). Many have tried the bagged stuff with mixed success. I live in the Desert and I have no problem finding the h-poo from local horse owners, I tell them its for my garden. Also, I have heard of others looking around Craig's List and local papers for free poo, if they have it they definitely want to get rid of it.

[hallucinogeneti]

guess it's off to the fields. Thanx man

[fedshtkpndrk]

Best of luck on your search!

I have some pics of the progress since casing the Pan Cyan Aussies on Saturday afternoon. The Panaeolus' are the two foil trays on the bottom right and the third in the top left corner. You can see the mycelium peeking out through the casing. Should I just let it be?

-The others are PESH and Malabar Coast. All Cased h-poo with the exception of the Double Cased PF Cakes.

[fedshtkpndrk]

Woops

[fedshtkpndrk]

Here you go

[fedshtkpndrk]

I wanted to give everybody an update on the Aussie Pan's. Day 5 and no visible pins; I do have very beautiful, slight overlay on the casing though. RH is 98, temps are an average of 82. Should I apply the normal (cubes) pinning teks, lower temps, avoid direct misting...? I will include pics tommorow.

[rip]

Originally Posted by fedshtkpndrk

I wanted to give everybody an update on the Aussie Pan's. Day 5 and no visible pins; I do have very beautiful, slight overlay on the casing though. RH is 98, temps are an average of 82. Should I apply the normal (cubes) pinning teks, lower temps, avoid direct misting...? I will include pics tommorow.

Just let it be. Overlay is not an issue with panaeolus and pins develop quickly when (if) they appear. Multispore pans may pin quite unevenly, clone the best specimens for better results.

I think temperature cycling might help pinning but too low temperature too long certainly will make more damage than good. Try that only after you have tried a good clone.

[spacecake]

Temperature is fine,..after a couple of days,only mist when casing looks like it need some moister.
If it gets to wet..then you would prob. get mold.

[fedshtkpndrk]

Big thanks to all, I will be visiting them soon. I will have pics.