Pins, knots and primordia - a photo essay

BuckarooBanzai · 07-04-06, 20:19

4th of July suprises! Some lovely new pins were showing this morning, so FOAF asked me to grab some pics. Hope ya enjoy 'em!

These are SA on a bulk nugget. Click any pic to enlarge.

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reverend trips · 07-04-06, 20:54

Nice shots Buck!
Thats a great strain your growing!

sandman · 07-04-06, 21:07

Faaaantastic! This is the point where it becomes alien and bizaar. A true miracle.

golly · 07-04-06, 21:16

very nice nug nugs Buck...keep em pix a comin....

BuckarooBanzai · 07-04-06, 22:45

Thanks, doods!

Yeah, somebody told me that they thought SAs could even get big but they didn't have any real evidence...

beardedlady · 07-04-06, 22:47

...you're my hero!

crankykid · 07-05-06, 02:38

These look crazy as hell if you're high.

Beautiful.

Crankykid.

BIGBOOMER · 07-05-06, 09:14

ime SAs grow very big (even on pf cakes)you will see also i have noted that they like the mist to hit them (not totaly dripping wet) but nice beads of mist

siam_jim · 07-05-06, 11:06

SA gets huge....even in a small tub.

siam

waylitjim · 07-05-06, 11:42

One of my favorite strains.
Cool macro shots Buck.

fingers · 07-16-06, 02:42

are they ever!

Youd have to have a fairly decent camera to get these pics, (mine would never stand a chance, but what can u expect from a $100 camera huh :P)
These pics are in my cultivatation pics folder now, thanks for sharing buck!

P.S has anyone got a microscope? I mean, Im not even in the state let alone the neighbourhood of making good use of one, but it'd sure as hell be interesting. I might start putting out the feelers in trying to get one.
Wheres a cleptomaniacal high school kid when u need one! (joke!

)

Fingers

beardedlady · 07-16-06, 10:00

I have several microscopes. What needs microscoping?

Invitro · 07-16-06, 15:14

this is a cool pic

BuckarooBanzai · 07-16-06, 22:36

Thanks, Invitro!

I've been trying to capture knots, primordia and pins in the same pic forever...

fingers · 07-16-06, 22:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by beardedlady

I have several microscopes. What needs microscoping?

Oh the word 'need' is so not applicatble :P Its more a curiousity/educational interest. I thought it would fascinating to look at a cross section of a fruiting body, maybe comparing an abort to a healthy fruiting body. That kind of thing really.
More an indulgence then a requirment

BuckarooBanzai · 07-16-06, 23:02

By the way, my camera is Cannon PowerShot A620. Forgot to mention that above...

07-17-06, 02:34

BB...........I love the shots!!!!! Macro's are awesome!

I had to put this strain on hold, and now I'm even more impatient with anticipation to begin working with it.

I love the Canon Digi's too

fingers · 07-17-06, 06:37

This pic is inspirational, I wanna do this!

Thanks again for posting these buck, luv ur work.

Fingers

BuckarooBanzai · 07-17-06, 08:56

LMAO! Funny stuff, Fingers!

07-17-06, 09:24

Hahhaha........I dig that Fingers

Mount Bonzai!!!!!

waylitjim · 07-17-06, 14:48

good one fingers

robman1 · 07-17-06, 14:59

what camera did you take those shots with. Is a camera to take good pictures like that expensive?

Those are some really cool pics man.

waylitjim · 07-17-06, 15:09

Not sure what Buckaroo is using, but Nikon Coolpix and both Canon Powershot are both good cameras. Both have nice macro features for closeup shots. The price depends on how many megapixels they have. A good camera is a worthwhile investment. Also, it's a good time to buy one, because the technology has plateaued and if you buy a good one, it'll last you for many years.

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/co...categoryid=113

http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=2

robman1 · 07-17-06, 15:27

Wow there are 17 coolpix models and even more powershot....

Wish I knew what I was doing. What is a good price to look for to get what bonzai is doing, or stuff like that. Maybe I should start a new thread?

Kinda feel like a hijacking is about to take place.

SharkieJones · 07-17-06, 15:33

Nice pics Buckaroo. More..more.

BuckarooBanzai · 07-17-06, 21:27

My camera is a Cannon PowerShot A620. You could go MUCH lower on their scale than that one, though, and still get very nice pics.

If you want to do good macro (closeup) stuff, the most important thing to look at is the minimum focal distance. Some cameras will only focus from 2 feet to infinity. Some focus from 2cm to infinity. The 2cm dude will do beautiful macros and is the dude you are looking for.

If you want really fine details, the number of megapixels is important. A 2 megapixel camera won't capture anywhere near the detail that a 7.2 megapixel camera will. The 14 megapixel professional cameras capture finer detail than film (but you'll likely pay 2 grand, or more, for a 14 megapixel SLR equivalent).

And it would be impossible for you to 'jack this thread, as the first post was really all I had to say!

robman1 · 07-17-06, 22:33

ha well that's cool then

I was looking at the powerpix models because it seems they are more open with telling me a price.

So basically what I should look for is a 7 Megapixel camera that can focus up small? I guess the 200-300 dollar range should suffice then?

BuckarooBanzai · 07-17-06, 23:07

It should more than suffice.

One thing to bear in mind: a big zoom factor (not digital, but optical zoom) will eat up a LOT of that $300.

If you buy a camera with a 15x optical zoom, at LEAST $100 of your purchase price will be on the optics. If you want 15x zoom, buy an SLR body you can add lenses to. A 20x SLR zoom lens will cost you far less than a 15x zoom lens built into a unibody camera.

Suggestion: DON'T buy the camera you decide upon from a camera shop. Go to the camera shop to look at the model you want in person, then buy it on-line. You can easily save 30%-50% by purchasing your camera from a "non brick and morter" business.

I have, personally, had great results from broadwayvideo.com

You might also consider taking a look at http://www.imaging-resource.com/ Lots of good reviews and "street prices" on that site (and others).

BuckarooBanzai · 09-23-06, 16:52

Stage one of pin formation is the formation of hyphal knots. This happens 7-12 days after the mycelia is introduced to fruiting conditions. Pictured are hyphal knots (the dots) just beginning to differentiate from the fluffy mycleia of a PF Tek cake.

Over the next 12 (or so) hours, hyphal knots become more distinct and raised from the mycelia. Pictured are hyphal knots and primordia on a PF Tek cake.

Next, the knots differentiate again, forming a dark tip and becoming primordia (about 12 more hours). Pictured are primordia on a bulk substrate.

Primordia and knots on a PF Tek cake.

More knots and just barely differentiated primordia on a PF Tek cake.

Now the primorida begin to grow and become pins. Pictured are primordia/pins on bulk substrate.

Primordia/pins on a PF Tek cake.

And then about 12-24 hours later, pins become simply baby mushrooms. Pictured is a baby “fat ass” on a PF Tek cake.

Mushrooms are very pretty!!!

safTman · 09-23-06, 17:12

Nice Pic's

python · 09-23-06, 17:53

excellent post bucky......

im sure this will help clear up things for a lot of beginers........

"archive material to vaults"---Spores [Microscopy & Shroom Biology]

(mod note - not yet copied to vaults)

farmerjohncc · 09-23-06, 18:13

kudos on the pics...i have my first jar in the fuiting chamber (3rd day)...either the mycelia doesn't look quite as fluffy or you have a kick-ass camera..or both! Thanks for the time-line that's very helpful.

BuckarooBanzai · 09-23-06, 18:23

Thank you, sir.

I also hope these pics help folks to know what to look for/what to expect. "What next" anxiety is so common and so unpleasant in this hobby!

It was most educational, looking at my little friends with the magnifying glass/loupe and snapping pics as I prepared this. When I decided to prepare this essay, it was easy to predict when/where to snap the pics.

One of the coolest things was trying to capture those first knot pics on a cake. I have watched enough of them now, I just knew where the knots would be and then...24 hours later...there they were!!!

I would suggest that anybody who wants to really grasp these guys just watch them closely and take pictures (or notes, or both) on their daily development. It really is most amazing to watch them go through the different stages of existence. You can learn so much just watching them grow...

And they grow up so fast!!!

Oh, and after they grow up and you are done taking notes and feeling scientific, eating them feels pretty good too!

waylitjim · 09-23-06, 18:27

Those are are excellent macro shots Buck!

A unique post too, thanks!

Hippie3 · 09-23-06, 18:53

a few more relevant pictures
from the old archives

eu_por_exemplo · 09-23-06, 20:46

Very nice!

RalphBlue&Purple06 · 09-23-06, 23:04

Very cool mr. banzai, had always tried to find something like this in the archives when i was a noob..

SharkieJones · 09-24-06, 00:15

Awesome pics Buckaroo, nice close ups. I need a cam like that.

Outer · 09-24-06, 07:34

Thanks for the info, very nice pics.

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07-04-06, 20:19	#1 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	Pins, knots and primordia - a photo essay 4th of July suprises! Some lovely new pins were showing this morning, so FOAF asked me to grab some pics. Hope ya enjoy 'em! These are SA on a bulk nugget. Click any pic to enlarge. IMG_0025.JPG IMG_0026.JPG IMG_0032.JPG IMG_0037.JPG IMG_0047.JPG IMG_0049.JPG IMG_0051.JPG IMG_0055.JPG IMG_0056.JPG IMG_0058.JPG __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

07-04-06, 21:07	#3 (permalink)
sandman Harvester of Sorrow Join Date: Apr 1972 Posts: 1,970	Faaaantastic! This is the point where it becomes alien and bizaar. A true miracle. __________________ Dreams are real. But they are made of viewpoints, of images, of memories and puns and lost hopes

07-04-06, 22:45	#5 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	Thanks, doods! Yeah, somebody told me that they thought SAs could even get big but they didn't have any real evidence... __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

07-05-06, 02:38	#7 (permalink)
crankykid Mycophage Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 132	These look crazy as hell if you're high. Beautiful. Crankykid. __________________ Om

07-04-06, 20:54	#2 (permalink)
reverend trips Former Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,366	Nice shots Buck! Thats a great strain your growing!

07-04-06, 21:16	#4 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	very nice nug nugs Buck...keep em pix a comin....

07-04-06, 22:47	#6 (permalink)
beardedlady Documented Deemster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 705	...you're my hero!

07-05-06, 09:14	#8 (permalink)
BIGBOOMER Mycophage Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 181	ime SAs grow very big (even on pf cakes)you will see also i have noted that they like the mist to hit them (not totaly dripping wet) but nice beads of mist __________________ one door must close for another to open

07-05-06, 11:06	#9 (permalink)
siam_jim Mycotopia Mod Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,853	SA gets huge....even in a small tub. siam

07-05-06, 11:42	#10 (permalink)
waylitjim A Mirror Image Join Date: Sep 1972 Posts: 4,232	One of my favorite strains. Cool macro shots Buck. __________________ *Waylit's Exotic Roundup - a collection of sexy threads*

07-16-06, 02:42	#11 (permalink)
fingers Mycotopiate Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 350	impressive !! are they ever! Youd have to have a fairly decent camera to get these pics, (mine would never stand a chance, but what can u expect from a $100 camera huh :P) These pics are in my cultivatation pics folder now, thanks for sharing buck! P.S has anyone got a microscope? I mean, Im not even in the state let alone the neighbourhood of making good use of one, but it'd sure as hell be interesting. I might start putting out the feelers in trying to get one. Wheres a cleptomaniacal high school kid when u need one! (joke! ) Fingers __________________ Believe those who are seeking the truth.doubt those who find it.

07-16-06, 10:00	#12 (permalink)
beardedlady Documented Deemster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 705	I have several microscopes. What needs microscoping?

07-16-06, 15:14	#13 (permalink)
Invitro Who Farted Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 311	Nice pics this is a cool pic

07-16-06, 22:36	#14 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	Thanks, Invitro! I've been trying to capture knots, primordia and pins in the same pic forever... __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

07-16-06, 23:02	#16 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	By the way, my camera is Cannon PowerShot A620. Forgot to mention that above... __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

07-17-06, 02:34	#17 (permalink)
~freakachino Guest Posts: n/a	BB...........I love the shots!!!!! Macro's are awesome! I had to put this strain on hold, and now I'm even more impatient with anticipation to begin working with it. I love the Canon Digi's too

07-17-06, 08:56	#19 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	LMAO! Funny stuff, Fingers! __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

07-17-06, 09:24	#20 (permalink)
~freakachino Guest Posts: n/a	Hahhaha........I dig that Fingers Mount Bonzai!!!!!

07-17-06, 14:48	#21 (permalink)
waylitjim A Mirror Image Join Date: Sep 1972 Posts: 4,232	good one fingers __________________ *Waylit's Exotic Roundup - a collection of sexy threads*

07-17-06, 14:59	#22 (permalink)
robman1 Mycophage Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 186	what camera did you take those shots with. Is a camera to take good pictures like that expensive? Those are some really cool pics man.

07-17-06, 15:09	#23 (permalink)
waylitjim A Mirror Image Join Date: Sep 1972 Posts: 4,232	Not sure what Buckaroo is using, but Nikon Coolpix and both Canon Powershot are both good cameras. Both have nice macro features for closeup shots. The price depends on how many megapixels they have. A good camera is a worthwhile investment. Also, it's a good time to buy one, because the technology has plateaued and if you buy a good one, it'll last you for many years. http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/co...categoryid=113 http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=2 __________________ *Waylit's Exotic Roundup - a collection of sexy threads*

07-17-06, 15:27	#24 (permalink)
robman1 Mycophage Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 186	Wow there are 17 coolpix models and even more powershot.... Wish I knew what I was doing. What is a good price to look for to get what bonzai is doing, or stuff like that. Maybe I should start a new thread? Kinda feel like a hijacking is about to take place.

07-17-06, 15:33	#25 (permalink)
SharkieJones Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,110	Nice pics Buckaroo. More..more. __________________

07-17-06, 21:27	#26 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	My camera is a Cannon PowerShot A620. You could go MUCH lower on their scale than that one, though, and still get very nice pics. If you want to do good macro (closeup) stuff, the most important thing to look at is the minimum focal distance. Some cameras will only focus from 2 feet to infinity. Some focus from 2cm to infinity. The 2cm dude will do beautiful macros and is the dude you are looking for. If you want really fine details, the number of megapixels is important. A 2 megapixel camera won't capture anywhere near the detail that a 7.2 megapixel camera will. The 14 megapixel professional cameras capture finer detail than film (but you'll likely pay 2 grand, or more, for a 14 megapixel SLR equivalent). And it would be impossible for you to 'jack this thread, as the first post was really all I had to say! __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

07-17-06, 22:33	#27 (permalink)
robman1 Mycophage Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 186	ha well that's cool then I was looking at the powerpix models because it seems they are more open with telling me a price. So basically what I should look for is a 7 Megapixel camera that can focus up small? I guess the 200-300 dollar range should suffice then?

07-17-06, 23:07	#28 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	It should more than suffice. One thing to bear in mind: a big zoom factor (not digital, but optical zoom) will eat up a LOT of that $300. If you buy a camera with a 15x optical zoom, at LEAST $100 of your purchase price will be on the optics. If you want 15x zoom, buy an SLR body you can add lenses to. A 20x SLR zoom lens will cost you far less than a 15x zoom lens built into a unibody camera. Suggestion: DON'T buy the camera you decide upon from a camera shop. Go to the camera shop to look at the model you want in person, then buy it on-line. You can easily save 30%-50% by purchasing your camera from a "non brick and morter" business. I have, personally, had great results from broadwayvideo.com You might also consider taking a look at http://www.imaging-resource.com/ Lots of good reviews and "street prices" on that site (and others). __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

09-23-06, 17:12	#30 (permalink)
safTman easily distracted Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 573	Nice Pic's

09-23-06, 17:53	#31 (permalink)
python Former Member Join Date: Apr 1973 Posts: 2,650	excellent post bucky...... im sure this will help clear up things for a lot of beginers........ "archive material to vaults"---Spores [Microscopy & Shroom Biology] (mod note - not yet copied to vaults)

09-23-06, 18:13	#32 (permalink)
farmerjohncc Myco-conspirator Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 187	kudos on the pics...i have my first jar in the fuiting chamber (3rd day)...either the mycelia doesn't look quite as fluffy or you have a kick-ass camera..or both! Thanks for the time-line that's very helpful. __________________ "I can’t think of anything more radical than enlightenment." - Daisaku Ikeda

09-23-06, 18:23	#33 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	Thank you, sir. I also hope these pics help folks to know what to look for/what to expect. "What next" anxiety is so common and so unpleasant in this hobby! It was most educational, looking at my little friends with the magnifying glass/loupe and snapping pics as I prepared this. When I decided to prepare this essay, it was easy to predict when/where to snap the pics. One of the coolest things was trying to capture those first knot pics on a cake. I have watched enough of them now, I just knew where the knots would be and then...24 hours later...there they were!!! I would suggest that anybody who wants to really grasp these guys just watch them closely and take pictures (or notes, or both) on their daily development. It really is most amazing to watch them go through the different stages of existence. You can learn so much just watching them grow... And they grow up so fast!!! Oh, and after they grow up and you are done taking notes and feeling scientific, eating them feels pretty good too! __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

09-23-06, 18:27	#34 (permalink)
waylitjim A Mirror Image Join Date: Sep 1972 Posts: 4,232	Those are are excellent macro shots Buck! A unique post too, thanks! __________________ *Waylit's Exotic Roundup - a collection of sexy threads*

09-23-06, 20:46	#36 (permalink)
eu_por_exemplo Mycophage Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 134	Very nice! __________________ Viva a Sociedade Alternativa!!! Viva Viva!!!! Raul Seixas

09-23-06, 23:04	#37 (permalink)
RalphBlue&Purple06 Mycophage Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 113	Very cool mr. banzai, had always tried to find something like this in the archives when i was a noob.. __________________ Peace 'Ralph

09-24-06, 00:15	#38 (permalink)
SharkieJones Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,110	Awesome pics Buckaroo, nice close ups. I need a cam like that. __________________