A cold extraction for Soliver [also DMSO test]

[spacecake]

Originally Posted by golly

In theory -if it takes 2 weeks to extract the psilly then less than 1% should have been lost in the wash...I'm drying down the washing solution to analyze ...

At least this method [if it works] is safe relative to P.Ether

It's a nice experiment..Golly !

But I think you will lose alot more than 1% !
45 minutes is a long time if it's a fine powder extraction..if it failes,then try 2 minutes ,with a constant shake/stirr ..or so !
(just a thought too,..you are discarting the first extraction right ?)


I'm started an extraction too,but could not get alchohol stronger than 80%...

[the_chosen_one]

Golly, you da man!

[I_am_me]

Can't you make your alcohol a higher percent by adding epsom salt to soak up all the water much like how people do with isopropyl?

[golly]

Hee...Well i just did another wash at 24 hrs ...The filtered wash is being evapourated now To test for psilly levels...So the total amount will be concentrated in one hit ,from 64 grams...we'll see ..

What was washed out -was a ton of spores as the filter paper is all purple..

I have heard of adding salts to dry the alcohol but i use the ascorbic acid instead..[ supposedly it binds with the water and also the acid helps extract
the goods + preserves color n stuff] btw i'm not a chemist so i'm learning through hands on experimentation.. ..Scary huh...

To save a few bucks i could use 91% iso for the wash then dry completely.

[spacecake]

''So the total amount will be concentrated in one hit ,from 64 grams...we'll see ..''

Hahaha ,you have balls Golly !

Shulgin,Albert hofman,... experimented on themself too !

Good luck..!

[golly]

My guess is that maybe only 2 grams equivelent ended up in the wash..
but i'll be sure to tread lightly with the testing...

I'll post a pic of the wash as soon as it's evap'd down...

[golly]

This is what the wash avapourated down to ...Even though this was coffee filtered
there is still quite a bunch of junk in there...

Tonight I'm testing to see how much of the good stuff was extracted in that 24hour presoak...

[spacecake]

Nice..Golly ,let us now how strong/weak it was (side effects..?) !

[spacecake]

Golly...

Right now I'm dosing 2ml of 100ml extract of 40 grams of cubies..

I use 80% Strohrum.
It's been only one week now,so it's alittle bit like your experiment,but with a lower % of alcohol !
The Strohrum was stored in a fridge all this time.

It's now been 30 minutes and I must say I'm pretty dizzy/sleepy !!!
..Can't keep my eyes open ..lol
Question Can't feel what is what..do I feel the Alcohol or shrooms !
Can the Alcohol be so strong with 2 ml ?
..if it's always like this ,then I must try to crystalize it,because I hate this,don't like alcohal either !

Zzzzzz.... space

[golly]

Not crazy about alcohol myself ,,,How much did u drink..?
I try to get the equivelent of half a beer or less in one dose ,so i dont start yawning the night away....Anyhoo the juice 'll wear off as the shrooms kick in...I just scarfed the test sample...It's a sacrifice for science ya know..

[spacecake]

Originally Posted by golly

Not crazy about alcohol myself ,,,How much did u drink..?

Only 2ml..straight

Washed away with Cola...
I still feel it 1 1/2 hours later !
Had to do some resting on my bed.

I must admid I dosed 6 grams of Kratom 4 hours before.. (yes again.. lol)
Is that safe ?
Maybe I will try 4 ml now.....

[spacecake]

Originally Posted by golly

It's a sacrifice for science ya know..

what we all do in the name of science !..yes it must be hard

[golly]

LoL yeah i think Kratom/alcohol n' shrooms might make ya feel a bit relaxed to say the least....
.
Well the results are in ..Apparently about 17 of those 64 grams were extracted in that 24hr period...proly due in large part to the ascorbic acid..

This wash actually created a pretty clean buzz ..i cannot conclude that any
real nasties were seperated...although this stuff is really oily...

[spacecake]

I did 10 ml the next day..and this time I didn't get sleepy but was more awake !
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Golly you didn't dose all of that first extraction stuff, now did you ?!
It's was much more than expected right..! lol

You hade a clean ride anyway ?..could it be that the alcohol kills the bad stuff.. or maybe you don't notice it ..because of the alcohol,maybe one balances the other one out ?

[golly]

Nope ..I sucked up 3cc and had a surprize lift off..Heh...about a 3.5 gram equivelent...so once again the amber color does not equate to the potency level...
I usually don't experience the sleepy phase with extract like i do with tea..
It's part of the reason i'm trying all these different methods - in search of the ultimate mushtrip...

[golly]

Here's what i consider to be my finest extraction so far - the prewashed 46
gram concentrate ,now in these mini bottles ....6 gram dose in each one..

The sweetly scented and complex essence is truely awsome...and creates a
trip so smooth n' beautifull , it surpasses Pan Cyan imo because i can dramatically increase the dose with minimal body load ...

Even though i could not detect any negative effects in the prewash solution,
this final extract seems extra nice...i could be a bit biased though..

[spacecake]

Very nice Golly !

How many cc's are those bottles ?
Because if I take 10 cc of alcohol extract (1 gram dose),the alcohol is playing a big part in the coming up of the trip.
And because I hate it ,I do not find it so smooth at all !
But I use a lower % of alc. ..so maybe I need to find a better brand...!

[Mycorama]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

c'mon someone
cut out a line and snort it up
i bet it'd work

im not sure that it would.
it would need a good amount of psilocin. psilocin gets you high as fast as you can digest it, while psilocybin you have to metabolize into psilocin, which takes about an hour and a half.
i think i read that in The Mushroom Cultivator, but i dont remember...
anyways, i just dont think you would metabolize it in your nose.

then again someone should try it, cos i would love to be proved wrong.

[golly]

Hey Space ...The bottles hold 14ml and contain 6 gram dry equivelent..
You can always evapourate further for a larger dose,but to preserve the brew - it needs an ample amount of alcohol...I think I'm at the limit for preservation , 1 gram per 2.3ml...

[spacecake]

Can you still watch the computer screen and type on 4 ml ?
I use this to see how 'clear' the trip is...

[golly]

LOL.. i guess i could but usually don't read when i'm rockin...i never feel the alcohol effect really...

[Soliver1]

Damn....

This is what I get for not looking into the photo forums more often, found this from a link in fungi posting!

Golly, you are da man - I don't quite understand what you're doing with the "washing" process, but that final product is looking sweeeet!

Damn. Still can't believe I missed out on this thread...



better late than never,

Soliver

[golly]

Well pull up a chair my friend cause i'm a crazy mad with this juice..
The deal with washing ,was simply to see if any unessessary compounds could be seperated out of the final product...The result being - I can't tell
for sure...At least not enough to make it worth while...heh..
For the moment i'm all out of ideas..Guess u wont need that chair after all Solly...hee.....

[cap]

btw i'm not a chemist so i'm learning through hands on experimentation..

what's needed is a chemist to come into the thread here and help out.
i think (know) those crystals in solution can be removed, then purified, or not.

either way there just has to be a process to seperate the two. the input of someone with a chem background would be golden for us/you right now.

maybe synthetic Psil. would be easier because lets be honest, we're trying to isolate the actives here.

what i ask is-
why?

once we do figure it oput, either thru continuous experimentation or someone in the know gracing the thread, what will we do with the crystals? if they degrade in alkaline environments, how could one prepare the 'hits' ?

anyone know anything about gelatin?
windowpane psilo. ?

[Pedestrian]

Hits of psilo ehh? That got me thinking.`

Oxygen, water, heat, and light have negative effects on psilo right?

So, what IF, you make a large extract with some really clean solvent.
Shake as much as you can for 4 days and all that good stuff.

Then you get a lightproof, semi-airtight box lined with a black trashbag, a very small fan, a few bricks of dry ice, and an 8" X 8" pyrex oven dish.

Hook up the fan someplace low on the box so it can evaporate the liquid that will later be in the dish.

Get the jar that contains your exrtact, evaporate most of solvent, then swirl it around to get all the crystals moving and carefully pour it into the pyrex. If there are lots of crystals stuck inside the glass, rinse the jar again with more solvent so you don't loose anything.

Place the pyrex dish into the center of your special box and then put a few bricks of dry ice inside of the box, ideally in the corners away from the dish. Turn the fan on and cover and seal the box as well as you can.

In theory, what should be happening at this point is the dry ice is melting and filling the box with CO2. That drops the temperature inside the box and displaces the oxygen and humidity. Hopefully the result is a dry, lightproof, cool, and oxygen free environment.

You should peek into the box periodically, but not too much, and check to make sure you still have lots of ice left because you always want your dish to be covered in a blanket of cool CO2. If its almost out, add more.

Evaporate untill the suface of the crystals are barely damp from the solvent then add what we are going to call the "preservative". Im not sure what would work the best to coat the crystals in, but I was thinking that something that is edible and not water based would work well. Possibly olive oil or something like that.

Add the "preservative" until you give the entire surface of the damp crystals a good coating.

Mix well with one of those rubber spatulas or something similar.

Leave the dish in the box once its mixed and seal it up again.

Get some empty veg caps and a loading board. You might want to use the small caps ro make dosing easier since you're going to be dealing with crystals.

Fill the loader with empty caps then head back to the box.

The next step might be a bit messy.

Open the box, get your spatula, start scooping the crystal g00p onto the board, and press it into the empty caps.

Once you have filled the caps then immediatly close them, remove them from the loader and wipe them clean.

Repeat as needed.

When you are done, place the "Hits" in a lightproof jar and place it in the fridge for storage.

Do an initial test with just 1 "Hit" to determin potency.

mmmmm psilo g00p

The end.


Well... its just a thought. If anyone is going to try it or has tried something like it, I would be interested in the results.




-Ped

[Soliver1]

Woof -

That's a lot of work there! Honestly, I enjoy 10ml of PR extract (about 2 grams, I think, maybe less or more depending on batch) in some juice. It'd be neato to get it isolated and in a dry form, but I'm not sure exactly why or if I'd even bother if I knew how Then again, I'm not into mass production, and even if I was, I'd still use liquid!

All in all, I can corroborate the theory that the crystals aren't active in themselves. Once the liquid evaps (the very moment even) they're useless. I've even tried smoking them - twice (soliver winces in embarrassment) to no avail... hey, nothing ventured, nothing gained, right?

Moons ago Sweetness posted a link to some site wherein a few guys (elves they called themselves) claimed to have extracted, taken crystals, smoked 'em and went to venus... I say it was all bunk, even though they had a load of pictures to go along with the post, though none of them smoking aforementioned crystals.

My main argument for this lies in my own experiment extracting shitakes in grain alcohol... they too produce this odd crystaline substance, and I'm pretty damn sure it's not psychoactive.

PF was the coot who first purported that the crystals at the bottom of the jar were "pure psilo," and while I respect the man for what he did for the hobby (if not the negative attention he drew to it), I think we can all agree that he's not the most scientifically minded fellow with a blue thumb

I will say that a teaspoon of wet crystals doses the same as a teaspoon of plain extract, so the crystals must somehow soak up the liquid (it is, after all, a crystalline structure, so that's not too outrageous) or at least enough to make no difference to the soft machine.

All said, I'd still be curious, like Hip3, to hear of anyone willing to rail a line of that stuff up the snout! Doubt it'd do jack squat, I'd even bet against it, but hey, science is science

but I ramble,

thanks,

Soliver

[TVCasualty]

a few guys (elves they called themselves) claimed to have extracted, taken crystals, smoked 'em and went to venus... I say it was all bunk, even though they had a load of pictures to go along with the post

The claim of having "pictures" is itself proof it's all bunk; no camera or film could withstand the corrosive atmosphere of Venus, nor the heat, nor the pressure. Busted!

About the mysterious crystals: enough anecdotal evidence has been posted for me to believe (and would bet money on if I had any) that the crystals are incidental carbohydrates (not psilocybin) precipitating out of the solution, like making rock candy. I think if the extract were allowed to settle in a separatory funnel or similar cone-shaped vessel that allowed 5mL of crystals (and a minimal amount of alcohol) to be drawn off from the bottom and immediately ingested that it would have much less psychoactive effect compared to 5 mL of alcohol drawn off the top (no crystals present). My first alcohol extract will be tried soon, and I'll try this very experiment, but if someone else gets to it first then great..post your results as I'm very curious about this...

[golly]

Yup that's pretty much my conclusion too TV...The carbohydrates will freeze precipitate out in a crystaline-like form and have little effect..But then if you take the remaining liquid and evapourate down further , more crystals of a slightly different nature begin forming...
I never could collect enough to test though.. Obviously if u evap all the way down - there will be very potent but briefly active crytal goo...

[TVCasualty]

That makes lots of sense. I thought there must be psilo crystals present at some point, and since it appears that the carbs fall out first the extract could be cleaned up by removing them, leaving a cleaner product. it may be more trouble than it's worth, but i'd like an extract that's as strong as possible and low profile, and liquid with crystals gathering at the bottom might be given more scrutiny in an awkward situation...

[golly]

It's really no trouble to evap down to a 1g: 10ml ratio ,then freeze precip
and pour thru a coffee filter after returning the solution to near room temp [the crystals are very slow to re-dissolve]...

The extract can then be evap'd down to the 1:5 ratio ,creating a lovely looking /smelling liquor ....

[TVCasualty]

Sweet. I'm looking forward to all the testing and sampling that perfecting this technique will require...

I'm thinking it's how I'll reclaim the alkaloids trapped in casing-and-vermiculite-covered stem butts that I was too lazy to clean off (I just snapped them off, dried them, and stuck them in a jar which is now about full o' butts).

Thanks for the info and quick responses... Time to buy some everclear...

[Soliver1]

Originally Posted by TVCasualty

I'm thinking it's how I'll reclaim the alkaloids trapped in casing-and-vermiculite-covered stem butts that I was too lazy to clean off (I just snapped them off, dried them, and stuck them in a jar which is now about full o' butts).

extraction should clean those stems up in a jiffy Never thought about using it for that purpose, but sure beats the hell out of brushing off clusters with a paintbrush...