A cold extraction for Soliver [also DMSO test]

the_chosen_one · 08-09-06, 23:47

Solly, this ones for you.

Cold extraction inspired by our good brother Soliver using 1 cup of Everclear and 20 dry grams total of Falbino and Matias Romero. The dry fruits were used whole with no grinding or shredding.
Everything was placed into a quart widemouth Kerr canning jar with the lid gasket side up and left quite loose. The jar was left at room temp which has been quite high lately due to an unusual dry and hot summer. Only an occasional shaking was given during the 4-6 week period in which the extraction took place. Estimated total of alcohol left after evaporation is about 4 large shot glasses.
Once evaporated, the mixture was strained through a screen mesh about equal to a pipe screen. The soaked fruiting bodies were squeezed until virtually no fluid would bleed from them. Then the strained extract was strained again using a permanent coffee filter (gold screen type).
Then the lid was flipped gasket side down and the whole thing placed in the freezer.
The results look pretty equal to that of a hot extraction to me. Possibly less bluing too which I would take as a sign of less degredation.
The whole thing could be filtered one more time to get the rest of any debris left from the fruits but it's good enough for me.
Should be fun

Thanks Sol for stirring my curiosity.

llamabox · 08-10-06, 00:54

How much of each ingredient did you start with?

beardedlady · 08-10-06, 01:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_chosen_one

Solly, this ones for you.

Cold extraction inspired by our good brother Soliver using 1 cup of Everclear and 20 dry grams total of Falbino and Matias Romero. The dry fruits were used whole with no grinding or shredding.

1 cup of everclear and 20g cubies

Looks like we've got more extractions to try out...I LOVE CRYSTALS!

08-10-06, 02:24

looks DAMN fine to me bro'.....
when are you gonna try it out..?
have fun and bee careful like always..

I_am_me · 08-10-06, 03:42

Hrmm 1 shot is about a 5 gram dose? Sounds tasty indeed.

golly · 08-10-06, 08:07

Yum...Glad there is plenty of interest in ethanol extract...Soliver also got me into this and now it's the only way i injest any more...
I really like to do the final filtration though [paper coffy filter inside the gold screen filter] as it gives a lovely clear amber product...Enjoy your taste test TCO....

dial8 · 08-10-06, 09:04

Wow! Nice!

SharkieJones · 08-10-06, 10:31

What do you mean by permanent coffee filter? Also how do you injest the finished product, just drink the Everclear?

the_chosen_one · 08-10-06, 18:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by SharkieJones

What do you mean by permanent coffee filter? Also how do you injest the finished product, just drink the Everclear?

It's a really really fine screen usually gold in color with a plastic framing in the shape of a coffee filter. Designed to take the place of paper coffee filters. They work good too

Tasty coffee! It lets a little more sediment pass through it than paper does too which is great for crystals.

As far as dosing, I guess it could be shaken and poured cold but dosages may vary just slightly from shot to shot. To insure even dosing ...hehe and Sol will hate this...one could heat up the mixture causing the crystals to liquify. Shake and pour as before. This may be required with this batch as many of the crystals seem to be stuck to the inside of the glass..something I've never really seen with a hot extraction. At least not this bad.
Heating the pure grain alcohol even after being evaporated is highly dangerous. Even an oven exhaust fan could ignite fumes so I must urge utmost caution. I only use a rice steamer which has no flame or exposed red elements. And even then the work is done either outside or right by the wide open door.

Hell yeah Sharkie! Bottoms up!

chimp · 08-10-06, 18:12

Could we get a trip report?

waylitjim · 08-10-06, 18:13

Nice TCO

I still got this one waiting in the wings.

the_chosen_one · 08-10-06, 18:29

Jimmy!

Holy shit! What'd it take to make that pile???

oibchip - to be sure!!!

waylitjim · 08-10-06, 18:38

One ounce my friend.

There's about half as much liquid now.
I left the lid off so the alcohol could evaporate.

08-10-06, 18:48

ohhhhhhh

I cant wait for mine.

Lazlo · 08-10-06, 18:50

Damn guys, nice!

the_chosen_one · 08-10-06, 19:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by waylitjim

One ounce my friend.

There's about half as much liquid now.
I left the lid off so the alcohol could evaporate.

hehehe cubies or cyans? That's a nice pile of rocks there bro!!!

SharkieJones · 08-10-06, 20:31

Wouldn't it be easier to just let the alcohol evaporate leaving behind just crystals? Then you can just use it like sugar.

08-10-06, 20:37

Yeah then new ways to dose...like on oatmeal or coffee

..

I'm still not sure if I want to dose pure crystals though....when noone knows exactly what they are...or whats mainly in them.

reverend trips · 08-10-06, 20:55

Good stuff guys!
I gotta try that for sure, sounds pretty easy.

waylitjim · 08-10-06, 20:57

Quote:

Wouldn't it be easier to just let the alcohol evaporate leaving behind just crystals?

The crystals must be suspended in alcohol. If the alcohol is left to evaporate, the potency of the crystals will be destroyed once they come in contact with the air. I like to keep mine covered with an inch or two of everclear. Dosing is pretty easy, just grab a spoon and take a scoop.

TCO, I made mine with South Americans.

Doctor D · 08-10-06, 20:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoyoteMesc

Yeah then new ways to dose...like on oatmeal or coffee

..

I'm still not sure if I want to dose pure crystals though....when noone knows exactly what they are...or whats mainly in them.

Why would "pure" crystals dissolved in an alcohol solution be any different?

08-10-06, 21:05

Well thats mixing: not just pure crystals.

I guess your right though.

maybe its like pure grain booze.80proof/ 40%,goes down like water..
190proof/ 95% goes down like a fire ball and EXPLODES in your stomach...but tends to get you there QUICK...i never could keep that stuff down with straight shots. even if it what my first shot of the night.

SharkieJones · 08-11-06, 09:41

Hmmm I've got 2 ounces of SA's just laying around maybe I'll try that.

lost_onabbey_rd · 08-11-06, 13:23

nice thread TCO

was thinking maybe a hot water bath would be a better way to remelt those crystals.. no open flames and no red hot heat source... hot water bath also heats much more evenly then a direct heat source.
and if the water gets cold before your done you can always just add more
wish i had me a shot of that stuff right about now, it looks real tasty
LOST

the_chosen_one · 08-11-06, 14:37

hehehe I was thinking about a lovin' spoon full of Watlits mound..that thing is nice! Mines only 8 grams shy of his and although mine's more spread out across the bottom his looks a lot bigger

waylitjim · 08-11-06, 15:26

Quote:

was thinking maybe a hot water bath would be a better way to remelt those crystals..

I had a hell of a time trying to remelt my crystals. It's not very easy I'll tell you that. I heated mine in a hot water bath for 45 minutes and the damn things wouldn't dissolve. After that, I gave up on this ideas. Now I just eat the crystals. Mmmmm....Chomp Chomp.

chimp · 08-11-06, 16:44

Hey WLJ do you weigh the crystals?

waylitjim · 08-11-06, 16:51

I don't weigh them but you can easily estimate by seperating with a spoon. Half of the crystals would be a half oz, a quater would be 7 grams, eighth would be 3.5 and so on. A small scoop seems to be just right.

Lazlo · 08-11-06, 16:59

You know what what be worth a try is; doing the extraction in a wide mouth jar, then allowing the majority of the alcohol to evaporate right down to surface of the crystals. Then you could make a mint candy out of fresh, chopped mint and sugar to pour into the jar. Once hardened (if it will harden), the candy would prevent oxidation to the crystals. Do you guys think it'd be worth a try?

Lazlo · 08-11-06, 17:03

Now that I think about it, that idea's stupid.

spacecake · 08-11-06, 17:30

sweet !

golly · 08-11-06, 17:39

I typically warm the extract to room temp then stir up the crystals and extract with a syringe from the middle of the jar while everything is still swirling around...Seems to give a representative dose....

the_chosen_one · 08-12-06, 19:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by waylitjim

Now I just eat the crystals. Mmmmm....Chomp Chomp.

mmmmmm tasty.... :eusa_sourpuss

Hippie3 · 08-12-06, 19:16

ever consider chopping up the crystals,
laying out a nice rail
and snorting ?

08-12-06, 19:21

yeah...somebody try that and get back w/ us with the experience..

beardedlady · 08-13-06, 01:44

Is psilocybin active through the nasal passage? If it is...I'm all over that.

lost_onabbey_rd · 08-13-06, 15:35

that's just silly you can't use a razor to cut a line on a strippers chest.. you have to go with the credit card.. prefferibly one that is already maxed out, so that when you pass out and she steals it she can't run it up
LOST

Hippie3 · 08-13-06, 17:56

good point
now where's my
diner's club card?

the_chosen_one · 08-13-06, 21:06

Well, this is a site of knowledge

08-16-06, 04:39

archive material / misc. Entheogens

extremely nice to look at TCO..

BuckarooBanzai · 08-16-06, 21:56

Very nice.

How did you eat them and how did you dose it, thas what I wanna know!

I'm too old to eat too much accidentally and too easily annoyed to not eat enough when my itention is to eat too much...

I'm what you call bitchy!

mementomori · 08-17-06, 17:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by golly

Yum...Glad there is plenty of interest in ethanol extract...Soliver also got me into this and now it's the only way i injest any more...

same here, but i guess i do a little different than you folks. i use 95 proof gin, and soak for only 12 hours sometimes, then pour over ice with some tonic. tasty.
... and i powder mine. then you dont have to wait so long. and you say you strained after you evaporated tco?

drumdidly · 08-17-06, 17:54

how well is the dosing with that memento? potency loss at all? yours would also be a great method for those who don't have the time or access for an everclear version...

I_am_me · 08-17-06, 18:02

One thing you can do if you do a hot extraction is evaporate the liquid down until you start to see crystals precipitate, then add another little bit of everclear to dissolve those crystals. Then you know the liquid will be able to hold all the crystals in the jar when you go to reheat them for dosing. I'd say Jim's everclear evaporated down so low that it can't hold all the crystals.

golly · 08-17-06, 18:43

The other nyt i poured a 2 gram dose of extract onto a 2x2" piece of paper towel and fan dried completely in 20 mins...
Then i swallowed the giant blotter [ rolled up in a ball] and had a great ole time..I was just curious to see if the actives survived drying -They did but i imagine it would not hold the potency too long in that state...

the_chosen_one · 08-17-06, 22:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by mementomori

and you say you strained after you evaporated tco?

For the cold extraction yes. With a hot extraction I always filter before the evaporation step while everything is still hot and the crystals are still in liquid form. With the cold extraction I was worried about filtering out some of the crystals and may have. That might be one reason Waylit's looks soooo much bigger, provided Waylit didn't do the same. That, and if I'm not mistaken...is that a pint jar Jim?
Mine is still in the quart jar. Only because I have yet to try and scrape those crystals off the glass.

Buckaroo -

- I haven't dosed this batch yet and it would be my first time with cold extract crystals. Usually I do hot extract crystals and then use the rice steamer to once again liquify them for dosing. Hits really fast and hard that way, plus when everything is in liquid form I believe the division for dosing would be just a bit more accurate than swirling crystals. Probably not that drastic of a difference to really worry about though. I think I'll try heating this batch too...I'm curious if cold extract crystals are some how different and don't melt as well as the hot crystals do. I doubt there is much of a difference, but Waylit's troubles got me wondering.

Golly awesome idea!

Years ago I poured some out on a mirror and let them dry the same way...hahaha a line crossed my mind then Hip!...but all I did was scrape it up and put it in a glass of juice

I know, why not just pour it? I just had to see them dry

. I didn't notice any extreme difference in potency either even after about an hour or so of air exposure so the breakdown reaction must be somewhat slow. Beardedlady, your line may be quite feasible but trying a nice hot straight shot of liquid may change your mind.

And thanks PJ

I really didn't expect this thread to get this big. I'm glad so many take an interest! Thank you everyone!!!

Hippie3 · 08-17-06, 22:32

c'mon someone
cut out a line and snort it up
i bet it'd work

cap · 08-17-06, 22:42

SharkieJones · 08-17-06, 23:00

It probably would work but kill your nose.

beardedlady · 08-18-06, 05:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by golly

The other nyt i poured a 2 gram dose of extract onto a 2x2" piece of paper towel and fan dried completely in 20 mins...
Then i swallowed the giant blotter [ rolled up in a ball] and had a great ole time..I was just curious to see if the actives survived drying -They did but i imagine it would not hold the potency too long in that state...

The problem is that tryptamines in the 4-hydroxy group break down really easy with oxidation. Maybe if the crystals were dried and stored in amber vials in the fridge, filled with co2 instead of oxygen. That would probably stall off the degradation (is that a word?) for a few weeks, but eventually, they will lose all potency.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hippie3

c'mon someone
cut out a line and snort it up
i bet it'd work

Next harvest I get, I'm gonna try it. Maybe in the bum too!

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lost_onabbey_rd The Lost Join Date: Apr 1972 Posts: 1,756	nice thread TCO was thinking maybe a hot water bath would be a better way to remelt those crystals.. no open flames and no red hot heat source... hot water bath also heats much more evenly then a direct heat source. and if the water gets cold before your done you can always just add more wish i had me a shot of that stuff right about now, it looks real tasty LOST __________________ Plant a seed, It will grow, So it's been, Sow the show To think outside the box, sometimes it is nessecary to step, outside the box

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the_chosen_one Darth Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,120	hehehe I was thinking about a lovin' spoon full of Watlits mound..that thing is nice! Mines only 8 grams shy of his and although mine's more spread out across the bottom his looks a lot bigger __________________ "Luck favors the observant." - Workman

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I_am_me Masked Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,534	One thing you can do if you do a hot extraction is evaporate the liquid down until you start to see crystals precipitate, then add another little bit of everclear to dissolve those crystals. Then you know the liquid will be able to hold all the crystals in the jar when you go to reheat them for dosing. I'd say Jim's everclear evaporated down so low that it can't hold all the crystals. __________________ Kindness is a cure.

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golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	The other nyt i poured a 2 gram dose of extract onto a 2x2" piece of paper towel and fan dried completely in 20 mins... Then i swallowed the giant blotter [ rolled up in a ball] and had a great ole time..I was just curious to see if the actives survived drying -They did but i imagine it would not hold the potency too long in that state...