Quick Everclear Extraction method confirmation

[morthos]

Good day! Further to my discussion in the General section "gearing up for trip in 6 weeks...", am am seeking to secure a quick confirmation that I understand the Everclear Extraction tek:

If I read correctly all I have to do is:
1. smash up or grind X amout of mush
2. dump into 250 or 500ml jar as needed
3. cover with generic liquor store Everclear, 1" above mush, seal jar
4. let sit in darkness for 3 weeks, shaking perhaps once/day
5. strain or use coffee filter to seperate used mush from fluid
6. set fan on fluid to bring down to desired volume, but stop when crystals begin to form
7. store in airtight container in freezer to preserve
8. refer to note on amount of mush in there, measure & dose.

Is this correct?

Dang, I love planning ahead!

Thanks fir any help!

[squidink]

The PF tek on crystals uses heat to speed extraction greatly. I've never tried it, but that's the method I'd go for. Here's a link: http://www.fanaticus.com/mycoalki.htm

Anyone have experience with a slow steep method?

[fastfred]

You don't need three weeks. Most of the papers I've read use between 6-24 hours.


-FF

[papalion]

and you shouldn't need to heat... heat's bad for actives

[oibchip]

3 weeks is what I was told is the best, so thats what I do..I would suggest not using heat..and last but not least get a coffee bean grinder and grind the cracker dried mushrooms into a powder.

[morthos]

Heat will not be used due to risk with the alcohol and possibility of weakening the chemicals.

A 3 week time span will be used as I have the time available, and no reason not to try the most effective method possible.

Using the coffee grinder is being considered; the only thought not to would be for straining.

Should I be considering vitamin C at all?

Thanks!

[fastfred]

I would use vit C. It's a great antioxidant and preservative. Again I would suggest not using such a long extraction. You'll probably end up with too much breakdown. You'd be much better off with 2 smaller 6 hour extractions than one way too long one. I've read of a failed cranberry extraction due to too long of an extraction.

[golly]

I like to add some ascorbic acid crystals to the ground mush/everclear..
Keep at room temp in a dark place n' shake occasionally...
In 24 hrs about 30% will have been extracted but takes much longer to get the maximum of 80% ...3 weeks should be plenty..
I like to filter through a handkerchief first as it allows you to really squeeze out the remaining juice ,,also pour a bit of extra everclear through to wash out the last bit of magic..
You can filter again through a finer mesh to clarify...

[BuckarooBanzai]

The "gold mesh" style coffee and tea filters work much better (faster) than paper. Your brew will still be cloudy though.

[Pedestrian]

Do at least a week, preferrably 3, and no heat.

In my trials, anything less than that is a waste of your mush cause you are left with a weak extract and the muck ball of shrooms filtered out still has alot to give.

[squidink]

Originally Posted by squidink

The PF tek on crystals http://www.fanaticus.com/mycoalki.htm

No heat then -- so is the PF method on crystals at the above link a bad bad idea? Sounds like wasted mojo.

[golly]

Most of the goods stay suspended in the liquid ,even with freeze precipitating...
You can evapourate all the way down to the crystal/goop remains but u must consume right away, as it's unstable and won't keep...

[morthos]

Good info guys, thanks!

How exactly would ascorbic acid crystals be marketed in a supermarket? Should this be added after the mush and solution are seperated, or right when the everclear is added? How much should be used?

May I use any decent brand of everclear?

I'm sure I can find the special coffee filters...

I won't play around with evaporating too much...just enough to get a small enough volume that I don't have difficulty ingesting what may not be tasty. I only intend to make this batch for this one event; could I evaporate 24g down to three ounces or 6 the day before using, if I refrigerate overnight? Be pretty cool if I could make 8g or 4g shooters!

How does this stuff taste anyway? I've yet to try everclear.

Golly, are you saying that the best to be expected is an 80% extraction ratio from the mush? Should I factor this into calculations upon making a dose, such that 5g should be counted as a 4g potency, for example?

Thanks!

[BuckarooBanzai]

Ascorbic acid is more commonly known as Vitamin C. Crushed up vitamin tablets will work like a champ. Add the C before the mush powder.

Any everclear will work. Regular high proof booze (like 151 rum) will work, but the extra water will cause the magic to break down faster.

Regular coffee filters will work. A paper towel or T-Shirt will work in a pinch.

You can evap as low as you want, though the speed that it happens will depend on how dry/humid your environment is. Do some testing with plain everclear to see how long it takes you to evaporate the volume you are looking for.

Everclear tastes pretty much just like rubbing alcohol smells. It is pure booze, after all.

Can't comment directly on the ratio/dosing question...

[golly]

Also the pure crystals are sold at healthfood stores and are not expensive.

For dosage you should assume it's 70-80% of original material...

The evapouration is really simple ,just tilt a Qt jar full slightly and have a small fan blow across it's top in a warm room..Evapouration is slow enough to prevent any buildup of vapour and fast enough, that it can be done in 12hrs or less...You can evap down as far as 1 gram per 3 ml ...
You dont wanna do straight shots cause it will still burn,,Add 2 parts apple juice..
The flavour and scent of the extract is really sweet and pleasant..

[meatwad]

Originally Posted by golly

Also the pure crystals are sold at healthfood stores and are not expensive.

For dosage you should assume it's 70-80% of original material...

The evapouration is really simple ,just tilt a Qt jar full slightly and have a small fan blow across it's top in a warm room..Evapouration is slow enough to prevent any buildup of vapour and fast enough, that it can be done in 12hrs or less...You can evap down as far as 1 gram per 3 ml ...
You dont wanna do straight shots cause it will still burn,,Add 2 parts apple juice..
The flavour and scent of the extract is really sweet and pleasant..

psh straight shots arn't too bad, just gotta have somthing to chase it down

hell I took 4 shots of everclear last night, just to get a good lil drunk going on

[golly]

Well then - Bottoms up...

[morthos]

2 parts apple juice to 1 part solution...

Add a couple crushed vitamin C tabs or 1 teaspoon of crystals to ground mush, then add everclear...

Calculate ratio at .8 of amount used...

Smoke bong during full moon in honor of Mycotopians for their kindness...

I love you guys!

"psh straight shots arn't too bad, just gotta have somthing to chase it down

hell I took 4 shots of everclear last night, just to get a good lil drunk going on"

this should have been accompanied with a picture
of the hair on your chest, my friend!

so if i extracted for 24 hours, filtered squeezed and then extracted again for another 24 hours, with fresh everclear, how much would i then have left to extract..

[morthos]

DaGoon, Golly estimated earlier in this thread to expect to have extracted 30% at the 24hr mark...

A time-extraction slope graph would be something interesting if it were possible...

[thepope]

vitamin c can be found in almost every grocery store as a powder for keeping fruit fresh... it's in tubes like ground spice over with the pickling salt and baking powder

[morthos]

Damn, thepope, you couldn't give better directions than that without a store address and isle #!

And you've saved me considering buying a pillbox of vitamin C when I need far less, thanks!

[Soliver1]

Originally Posted by fastfred

You don't need three weeks. Most of the papers I've read use between 6-24 hours.

Which is the problem with relying on "papers" found on the internet instead of repeated experiences by members of a trusted community.

6-24 hours will result in a poor extraction at best, no matter what shulgin, et., al., or others published eons ago.

If you want your extraction to work, patience is a virtue. Three weeks.



soliver

[golly]

I'de like to point out one unique property of everclear over less potent alcohols like 151 Rum;
That is that everclear,when evapourating down will remain at a stable 95% alcohol content [not counting the psilly]
Whereas the Rum will lose more alcohol than water when evapourated, so you end up with less preservative qualities...

Its simply because alcohol evapourates 19 times as fast as water...And thats why the maximum % of alcohol that you can get from distillation is 95...

[morthos]

Now all I have to do is find 150 proof everclear...the hunt begins!

Originally Posted by golly

I like to add some ascorbic acid crystals to the ground mush/everclear..

Will this work: Fruit Fresh

It's 230% vitamin c, and contains:

Dextrose
Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C)
Citric Acid
Silicon Dioxide (Anti-Caking)

...in that order

Also, what's the ratio to add to a mush/everclear mix?

[Soliver1]

I don't think it's possible for it to be 230% of anything, but then my math was never so hot

Put in enough everclear to cover the shrooms, and a bit extra so you have enough fluid to shake it well. If it's all sludgy, it won't shake around, it'll just well, sludge about.



soliver

I meant what's the ratio for the 'fruit fresh' to mush/everclear.

A teaspoon to??

Ah well, I just threw a small amount of fruit fresh into the mix.

Here's my newly made extract jar:



Two more questions.

Does the jar need to stay in complete darkness during the three week period?

How can I store the final product? In a fridge or freezer?

[Soliver1]

I've never extracted freshies - not sure how that'll work out, as there's lots of water in fresh shroom, but I imagine it'll still have a similar effect?

Evaporating the final product down will be strange, as the everclear will evap faster than the water from the fresh shroom, leaving you with ? not sure what you'll be left with there...

I store mine in the freezer. If you have a large water content at the end, yours may freeze though, hard to say... let us know how that turns out!



soliver

[morthos]

I have today aquired my Everclear, as well as the viatmin C crystals. Tomorrow I will begin my extraction event.

I intend to use 30g for the process. I have arrived at this target by calculating that to get three 8g doses(24g total); one to start the trip and two more half-2/3 through the trip. As this method is estimated at 80% effective, I need 30g to begin the process. I intend to add 10ml/2 teaspoons of the vitamin C powder to the ground mush at the start of the process. The mush & vC will be covered with the everclear one inch above the mix...perhaps more. This will be done in a glass jar, and sealed after things are added. I will shake the jar once a day until the day before the trip, and keep it out of light.

As I may have stated earlier in the post, my stash is old so I as assuming an 8g dose will be 7g at best, maybe 6g.

Does anyone have any corrections to my start of the process before I begin?

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Soliver

I've never extracted freshies

These were dried three days, cut up into bits and added to everclear mix.

[maliki]

See and I live in a state where grain alcohol is not sold.
I miss flaming blue shots........ ooooooooooo how fitshaced...
Everclear imho is the better tasting..... then Graves
I mean theyl both strip the mucos membranes clean from your throat, mouth, insides, and bung.

[Soliver1]

Geez o' Pete.... 3 6-7g doses? You're a brave man indeed!

Only thing you have missing is the timeline, I'd let it sit for 3 weeks minimum, and give yourself a day to evap it down to consumable doses

soliver