Cold Extraction

[Beshroomed]

HI,
I saw a thread somewhere here with a TEK called "A Cold Extraction by Soliver".
Can someone please point me to it?
Thanks

[Freaky]

A couple links for you:

http://archives.mycotopia.net/discus...tml?1093201399
lots of talk and links in this section

http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=13389 (A cold extraction for Soliver [also DMSO test])
Another topic on cold extraction.

Hope those helped. Also, you can use the search function to maybe turn up some more info.

[Soliver1]

Beeshrm:

Sorry I didn't get back to you faster, just checked my pm's tonight

Freaky's links should be what you're looking for though,



soliver

[reverend trips]

Swim finally got around to doing this

It's been three weeks to the day, thanks Soli!

[CoyoteMesc]

I can smell that boomer liquor from here,
mmm mmmm yuk, funny face,,,mmmm
shooo

[Soliver1]

That's the shit!

Shake it, shake it up, shake it

let us know how that pans out for you!

[reverend trips]

foaf has been shaking it atleast once a day. He's tried to remember to to shake more often, but he is a forgetful sob at times.

He has kept it in the cupboard with his coffee mugs because if there is one thing he has never forgot to do in his adult life, is to have a morning cup of coffee. See's the jar, and shakes

May strain today if plans turn out. I'll be sure to let ya know about the outcome

[golly]

Yeah Rev,, i'de like to hear how that does for ya...I'm curious about the lack of amber coloration...Not that the color directly equates to strength, because it doesn't ...Just never had one that's clear like that'n...

[reverend trips]

Originally Posted by golly

Yeah Rev,, i'de like to hear how that does for ya...I'm curious about the lack of amber coloration...Not that the color directly equates to strength, because it doesn't ...Just never had one that's clear like that'n...

Hmm, his kitchin hasn't really been all that warm for the 3 weeks they have been soaking. Maybe he should let them soak a little longer to make sure it has worked. He'd hate to discard it to find out I didn't get most of the actives.

How sure are you, Golly, that the amber isn't the goodies?

[golly]

I've been fooled by some extracts, that were really a deep amber color but produced lackluster effects..I think the color is something that just leeches out along with the psilly,,,A stain color and thats it..
I just never had a jar that didn't stain deep amber..Thats why i was curious..
Yours may well be potent, but you could always save the mush after filtering
and add more Alcohol to it ,just in case the first extract is weak..
I normally add Ascorbic acid to mine - maybe that's what gives mine more color..

The pic shows the filtered extract B4 evapourating down...

[reverend trips]

I'll go ahead with the filtering, and I will save the mush to be safe. There is quite a bit of difference in our pics. I'll be sure to post my results.
Thanks!

[Soliver1]

Funny, I thought the same thing but didn't mention it (the color thing). I'm not sure what / if it means anything. Mine have always turned out a darker color, but that's just my experience - like golly said, I'm not sure if it's indicative of anything or not - I doubt it, but who knows?

While we're posting observations here... Golly - do you think the batch above is a little light on grain alcohol? My jars usually have more clear alky on top than what I see above. Again, not sure if that's important or not. One way to find out

[golly]

Do you mean the ratio of alky to mush..? How many grams u got in there Rev? ..I guess i usually add a bit more Alcohol,like 1.5 times the dry volume.

[reverend trips]

There is about 2 dry ounces in there. He said these were from a batch almost 2 years old that were stored in a foodsaver bag, inside a jar and have been underground, lol. I don't want to speculate that they have lost potency the way they were stored till he actually tries the extraction.

He can't get Everclear where he is, but I think this Alcool stuff must be the same. I donno, we will see.

[golly]

I would guess if the shroomage was still dry n' crispy and the ground stayed cool, they would still be good...That's the right alcohol too...Gluk..

[golly]

Here's an example of different extraction colors ..The lighter amber bottle in this case, is almost twice the potency of the darker one...
Only the taste test can tell the story...

[reverend trips]

Strange how extractions can turn out so different looking, I may get a chance to do some sampling on the weekend. I'll let ya know how it goes.

[the_chosen_one]

how'd i miss this one? that's what i get for spending my time streaking in chat.

can isopropyl alcohol be used?
what would be the benefits of going through extractions as compared to storing them dry?

[oibchip]

I always see an amber color as well. The lack of color in that jar is interesting, especially after a 3 week soak..maybe its the proof of the alcohol..I only know of ever clear use..170 proof alcohol...maybe the lesser proof doesn't extract as much oils that may or may not be active...like Golly said..the taste test.

[CoyoteMesc]

Golly, I always thought you used barreled alcohol to get that red extract, lol. I have used 190 proof, just one percent over rt's and mine was near the same color as his, lol, weird?
Any way, mine was a small batch but potent. I used just 30 grams of dried boomers( a mix of creeper and red boys) and used 300ml of the Vodka. After about( I didn't count the days) 2-3 weeks I got tired of waiting and did a double boiler style extraction, with the vodka boiling down 3 times or so. I then added a bit more vodka, filtered while still hot, and evaporated it back down to 150 ml. I figured about 5ml per gram.

The color stayed about the same the whole process, darkening a bit. The potency was substantial. I measured out 10ml for Merm(approx. 2 grams). (ask Merm) lol, She hasn't dosed since then.
I'm not proud of that one though, as I love to dose with her and prefer it over going alone. . That was months ago.

Like you said Golly, I don't think potency has much to do with color. But hey, I'll taste yours if you want to compare.

[golly]

You can extract with Isopropyl but you can't drink it,so you would have to evaporate completely first..The remaining goop is unstable and won't keep long..

I did an extract a month and a half ago using 153 proof alcohol and 80 dry grams of lipa yai.

I let it sit for three weeks and shook the jar once a day.

I filtered using a handkerchief then a gold mesh coffee filter.

I evaporated down to 1/4 the amount over a 24 hour period.

First try I did a 1/2 ounce dose which I hardly felt.

Second try I did a full ounce which I felt a slight body buzz but had no visuals.

Third try I did a full two ounces and felt a slightly better body buzz but still no visuals and ended up feeling a little sick towards the end.

What I learned from the experience was that making tea with shroom powder works best for me personally.

Imho I think that drowning shrooms in alcohol kills some of their natural magic.

[CoyoteMesc]

hey water,
1st 2nd and 3rd try, were those from the same extraction? If so maybe something just went wrong with it.? Im sure they lose a bit.

[chill]

I'm in agreement with water on this.

Alcohol extractions are inefficient. I'd say around 20% effective.

That said, if you are a wealthy person with lots to spare, extractions are a good way of having a QUICK and SMOOOOOOOTH lift off.

[golly]

Somethings wrong if your only getting 20%...In Water's case it maybe the low alcohol content...In 151 Rum it proly only takes a day or so to extract, then gradually weakening after that ,due to the higher water content..If you see a green color developing then the brew is headed South...

Coyote..Heh ,yeah it can suprise ya sometimes ..Sorry to hear bout Merm takin the bullet...Really have to tread lightly with extraction experiments..

[chill]

I've used 151 rum before but never let it sit for 3 weeks.

Think that could have an effect?

[golly]

When you evapourate down 151 rum the water content increases in comparison to the alcohol content and it's preservative property also decreases...
Fresh dried Mush is still the most efficient way to preserve psilly though..

It was 153 proof grain alcohol, not 151 rum.

[CoyoteMesc]

When you evapourate down 151 rum the water content increases in comparison to the alcohol content

It was 153 proof grain alcohol, not 151 rum.

76.5 % vs 75.5 %,(not much difference) Golly's point is that there is a higher content of water in the alcohol. Water evaps slower than the alcohol so after some time, and some evaporating, your left with an extraction with more than the original 23.5-24.5% of water. With the things we have learn about the magic getting zapped by water, your extraction isn't going to last as long.

[oibchip]

Alcohol extractions are inefficient. I'd say around 20% effective.


I have to disagree..I'd say closer to 75-80%

[reverend trips]

I used just 30 grams of dried boomers( a mix of creeper and red boys) and used 300ml of the Vodka

CM, your extraction would have been a little lite on the alcohol too I never did any measuring, just threw them in and poured in the booze. Glad to hear your extraction worked

[CoyoteMesc]

Do you mean light as in not much alcohol?

Yeah it was, in a quart jar i kept adding the 190 proof cause it was evaporating quick. I only had a jar in the pot of water so space was and issue. The 30 grams powdered to almost nothing so a lot of vodka was not needed I thought? I used the old coffee grinder.
If I had BIG BOYZ like your foaf always get, hell I would have had two fifths and a pound of boomers. haha

[reverend trips]

Do you mean light as in not much alcohol?

Yes, I thought that 30grams to 300 mills would be less that 1.5X the volume sugested. The alky used in this attemp is quite a bit less than that too.

My foaf wanted to try it out this weekend but was roped into other plans. He's tripping next weekend for sure.

[CoyoteMesc]

yeah, there was not much logic behind the idea
I had 35 grams of boomers and 750ml of booze. Knowing that some would evap I wanted to save plenty.
My buddy wanted to trip so I told him I could give him 5g cause I needed the rest for myself.
So with 30g I figured keeping the booze at 300ml I could easily measure the dose and I wouldn't have to wait a year for it to evap down to an sensible amount of nasty good stuff to dose.