FROM TV CASUALTY: Storing Your Fungi in Honey

[coastalite]

TV Guide: Storing Your Fungi in Honey
This recipe has been approved worldwide by stoners, hippies, trippin' rednecks, city slicker hipsters, and airport security personnel!
Finally! Here is my new and improved honey recipe I've been talking about! Let me say right away that making this stuff is a lot easier than it looks in this thread; I just added every relevant detail I could think of to explain it as clearly as possible. I also give directions for those of you with precise scales OR regular kitchen measuring cups/spoons, and metric measurements. It's much more efficient if you make a bunch of 'em at once, by the way. Read it all before starting, of course!
So What the Hell is This?

Mushrooms preserved and potentiated in a precise amount of honey so as to standardize the dosage, prolong shelf life, trip harder, and not arouse suspicion if traveling with them (more on these points later).
Ingredients and Materials (for a single batch):
• 1 ounce (28 grams) cracker-dry fungi
• 3.0 grams of Gingko biloba leaf powder [1.5 teaspoons or approx. 7.5 mL]
• 1/2 teaspoon cinnamon [2.5 mL]
• 1/2 teaspoon ginger [2.5 mL]
• 1/4 teaspoon nutmeg [1.23 mL]
• 1/2 cup honey [~120 mL]
• coffee grinder
• stiff spatula
• knife (for stirring, doesn't need to be sharp)
• Glass measuring cups, both at least 1-cup size (get a larger one if doing more than one ounce at a time)
• 2 small pots to boil water in
• "Gladware" mini-tupperware tubs (or any suitable container; wash before using!)
• Optional- thermometer, scale w/ capacity of at least 600 grams, dust mask!
[Note: Below, when I write "cup" I mean a glass measuring cup, and "tub" means the mini tupperware/Gladware/jar or whatever you put the finished product into}
This is all the stuff gathered up and ready to go:

Pictured below are just the ingredients. I prefer the lightest-color honey I can find (also the cheapest) because stronger flavored honeys, while great by themselves, taste unpleasant mixed with the fungi IMO . The Gingko powder is available in health food/herb stores (good ones). It usually costs about a dollar an ounce:

How To Make It:
First, put the measuring cups in the pots and add water (to the pot) until almost to the top. Remove measuring cups, cover pots and bring water to a full boil.

While the water comes to a boil, gather everything else together, measure out the Gingko and spices, and pre-crush the ounce of fungi w/ your hands so you can fit it all in the grinder at once. Sometimes you need two grinding sessions, no big deal.

When the pots of water are at a full boil, turn off the heat and set the measuring cups in the water. Put the honey (120 mL if making just one batch) into one of the cups, leave the other empty (just warm it up). The honey will warm up, and I like to keep the temp under 120 degrees F (~50 degrees C), so I use a thermometer, but with the heat off it won't get too hot. Warming is only to facilitate mixing and pouring.

Now put the crushed fungi into the grinder as shown so it all fits, then dump the spices on top, like so:

Note: This is where you should either wear a dust mask or turn on a filter. Fungi and Spice dust are hell on your sinuses; if you can smell spices after grinding, you need better ventilation! If it does get to you, the sneezing and snot production should stop in a few hours.
Grind for about 15 seconds. I also swirl or shake it while grinding to distribute the pieces quickly. You can hear when the big chunks are gone and it's all powdered. I open it upside-down so the powder is all in the grinder's cup.
Safety Warning: Unplug the grinder after grinding!! You'll often need to use your finger to scoop some of the powder that sticks to the walls of the grinder out from around the blades . Please don't cut your fingers off! Unplug it!
You're now just about ready to mix. Pour some of the warm honey into the other cup, no more than about 50 mL.

Now carefully pour the powder from the grinder into the cup with the 50 mL of honey. The powder tends to blast out all at once as you tilt it, beware!
Before mixing:

Use the knife to mix it, carefully, so that you don't scatter powder everywhere. Watch out for the dust. About 55 strokes will transform it into a homogenous blob.
Next, add the remaining honey.
If you are using a scale, bring the total weight of the mix to 185.0 grams (I hope you recorded the Tare weight of the measuring cup first!) Gross weight of my cup + honey is 586.3 grams, which is why I suggest a high-capacity scale).
Or, if not using a scale, just add the remaining 70 mL of honey. Mix it vigorously until the entire mix has the same sheen, or patina, so you are sure there are no super-potent globs alongside super-weak globs. You'll see what I mean.

At this point you have a choice, either put the entire mix into a single container (a 1-cup size "Gladware" plastic container or a 1/2 pint mason jar are the right size) OR split it into two containers. I prefer using two, since I don't have to carry my whole stash around at once. The 4-ounce size Gladware mini tubs work great for splitting the batch.
It's much easier to just use the spatula and put it all into one container, or you can eyeball it as you split it into two, but I like to precisely split them, using a scale, so I know each one holds exactly a half-ounce of dried fungi. The pictures below show splitting w/ a scale. A small scale is OK for this part; no big glass cup involved...

Pouring this stuff is like herding cats, it has a viscosity similar to molten glass, and is very sticky! I put the empty tub on the scale, tare it, then use the knife to gently persuade the mix to pour slowly into it while watching the scale, stopping when I've poured half of it. Practice make perfect.

The other half requires that stiff spatula to scrape the sides of the measuring cup, and is where you are most likely to start making a mess. Use the spatula to scrape the cup, the knife to scrape the spatula, and the spatula to scrape the knife. Eventually most all of it gets into the tub, but don't drive yourself crazy going after every molecule! And lick the knife and spatula when you're done! Wheeee....

Almost done! Now you set the lids on the tubs (don't seal, just set them loosely!) and put them in the freezer. After an hour you can seal the tubs. I've cracked a lot of lids by sealing them before freezing, don't know why that happens...
They are now ready to eat! Be sure to take 'em out of the freezer about 30 minutes before dosing or it'll be a rock-hard solid chunk.

Disposable spoons, like the one pictured above, are my favorite way to distribute doses. I buy a box of 'em, scoop level spoonfuls, and hand them out at friendly gatherings. I've even been chomping on one while talking to a cop, which was interesting, but the scene got friendlier right after that so no worries.
But wait there's more! I added some more relevant information and dosage recommendations in the next post...
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[coastalite]

TVCasualty,

I halved the recipe today and after a few shots of tequila it was down the hatch with a couple of teaspoons full of your delicious recipe.

[Sunstar]

Awesome info. I wonder how long it will keep in the refridge?

[mycobri]

forever probably

btw this honey is top notch i highly recommend this recipe
nice one TV

how did your experience go coastalite?

[coastalite]

Originally Posted by mycobri

forever probably

btw this honey is top notch i highly recommend this recipe
nice one TV

how did your experience go coastalite?

This was my first time with honey.

It was awesome.

[coastalite]

here is the rest of the archived thread in case anyone is interested:
http://forums.mycotopia.net/feasts-f...ngi-honey.html (TV Guide: Storing Your Fungi in Honey) (TV Guide: Storing Your Fungi in Honey)

[camMyco]

Originally Posted by Sunstar

Awesome info. I wonder how long it will keep in the refridge?

Sun,
I have had some in the freezer for over 6mo. no loss in potency (that i can tell) I love this recipe I use it on any thing I don't eat fresh. I do make one with Gingko and one without too many folks taking wellbutrin and the like NO Gingko for them.

I scoop teaspoons into parchment paper after it has set-up some and twist them like candy and in to a jar in the deep freeze they go. I just grab the dosage I want and go, no worries!

Awesome recipe!

[10pht777]

Great recipe! I will have to give this a shot

[atheross]

put 1 oz of my wild collected P. cyanescens in this recipe today, looks scary

[toadstooll]

What kind of trip does it give? About how many grams do you think you get from 1 of the spoons?

[ShaoLinRaver]

One of the most powerful "drug experiences" I've ever had was with nutmeg (insert laughter here). I know. "Getting high off a spice? What are you talking about?"
Before this post gets deleted for being off topic I better tie this in huh? I noticed that this recipe uses a small amount of nutmeg for flavor. I'm wondering if it might be worth trying mixing in a larger amount of Meg as a standard sized bottle is potent enough for about four or five doses.
Be warned: Nutmeg in quantities necessary for the desired effects is very hard to swallow. Think eating a few tablespoons of sawdust that tastes like Pinesol smells.
I tried it a few times and both times I had...what I can only imagine a huge pot high feels like. I felt REALLY mellow and senses of taste smell and SOUND were hugely effected. I was subconsciously creating music out of any sound that stood out from the ambient noise. I noticed this when I shut a droor in the kitchen and it echoed in my mind and I noticed it fit into the beats that were already playing in my head.
Oh yeah, did I mention it lasted for three days. The first day was the peak second was good but not as great and by the third day I felt compotent and energetic enough to leave my house.lol

All that to say I'm thinkin this is the perfect way to take it again. With enhanced effects.

Note: preground Meg is waay weaker. Buy it in whole seed form, ideally frest from a co-op or something. Grind it with a coffee grinder or restraunt cheese grater, like I did.
I'll have to experiment with the ratios and let you all know. Thanks for the idea coastalite.

[twoguysupnorth]

toadstooll, how much did you or will you mix with your honey? that would determine the strength of a spoonfull.

[toadstooll]

1 Oz. I was just going by the recp. above.

[twoguysupnorth]

sorry, i think they had it figured out. i didnt mean to be crappy at all. like the amount of honey and the amount of shrooms were measured out so a spoon would work, but two would get you there. at least thats my impression.

[dragonstud725]

Sounds good i will have to give it a try thanks

[TVCasualty]

Originally Posted by ShaoLinRaver

One of the most powerful "drug experiences" I've ever had was with nutmeg (insert laughter here). I know. "Getting high off a spice? What are you talking about?"

Well, nutmeg has given friends of mine some of the worst drug experiences of their lives, so proceed with caution. The small amount in the recipe is probably not contributing anything to the trip, but it's hard to say when mixed with the gingko, which is apparently a mild MAO inhibitor (probly why it's not good with Wellbutrin). The mix is subjectively different with the gingko included, as reported by many test subjects, so there may well be quite a bit going on in such a mix, since cinnamon has interesting properties too.

Originally Posted by twoguysupnorth

toadstooll, how much did you or will you mix with your honey? that would determine the strength of a spoonfull.

If following the recipe exactly, each level teaspoon gives the equivalent of one dried gram of mushroom. I use cubensis, so one spoon is enough to make a gathering or concert really vivid (some people still need about 30 minutes off by themselves at some point). Three spoons is a go-to-the-woods kind of dose. With cyans, whoever does it first will have to tell us what a spoon does. I'd recommend no more than a half a teaspoon for a first try with cyan honey.

I have personally seen an ex-Marine who is 6 foot 6 inches tall and weighs 285 pounds (all muscle) watch some petite hippie chicks eat a single spoonful at a party, just like was suggested. Well, he thought since he was almost 4 times bigger than them he needed 4 teaspoons of honey, which he ate all at once even after several people told him not to. About an hour later he was curled up on the floor, crying, and being attended to by those same hippie chicks who were holding his hand and repeatedly telling him "It's going to be fine, you're ok, it'll pass..." etc... Looking back, it was pretty funny. Don't be that guy.


No one knows for sure how long it will last if refrigerated or frozen since it's usually eaten in a few months. I have eaten some that's been in the freezer over a year that was as potent as a fresh mix, so that's a good sign (it accidentally was hidden behind a big stack of venison that I obtained with a '96 Honda Accord at a bumper-velocity of 58.67 fps).

[camMyco]

Originally Posted by TVCasualty

... but it's hard to say when mixed with the gingko, which is apparently a mild MAO inhibitor (probly why it's not good with Wellbutrin). The mix is subjectively different with the gingko included, as reported by many test subjects, so there may well be quite a bit going on in such a mix, since cinnamon has interesting properties too. ).

IME, Ginkgo and wellbutrin are a bad combo
with mushrooms or alone for that matter, I
have had two people on seperate occasions
say it was the worst "death like" experience
ever. Hard to breath (precieved maybe) and
it seems to amplify any negative aspect one
may incounter during ones trip. I had to hide
the phone on one occasion to keep the person
that was "dying" from calling 911!

I keep two batches now one with ginkgo and
one without. And no cinnamon or nutmeg.

Originally Posted by TVCasualty

... No one knows for sure how long it will last if refrigerated or frozen since it's usually eaten in a few months. I have eaten some that's been in the freezer over a year that was as potent as a fresh mix, so that's a good sign (it accidentally was hidden behind a big stack of venison that I obtained with a '96 Honda Accord at a bumper-velocity of 58.67 fps).

I have 8 month old honey that you would think
was made fresh that morning. Kept in a freezer
pre-rolled tsp. doses in wax paper in a jar for
freshness low O2 exchange. and also prevents
the heaping tsp. dose this aint TX! one teaspoon
is a gram if you follow the recipe.

I take 3 tsp to trip hard and 1 for a nice amplified
environment dose. I love this recipe! Props- TVC

[ShaoLinRaver]

Originally Posted by TVCasualty

Well, nutmeg has given friends of mine some of the worst drug experiences of their lives, so proceed with caution. The small amount in the recipe is probably not contributing anything to the trip, but it's hard to say when mixed with the gingko, which is apparently a mild MAO inhibitor (probly why it's not good with Wellbutrin).

OH yes. Don't get me wrong. I strongly reccomend that everyone throughly research any new drug before trying it. There's enough info out there that there is no reason not to. And with "natural drugs" you should always proceed with caution. Everyone metabolizes things at slightly different rates and some are more sensetive than others.
For instance I was having fun playing with my mind-mixer and digital effects processor while my friend, who did the same dose as me, was laying on the couch in a near coma. He didn't even remember those 24hrs that he laid there on the couch without moving. Know your drug and treat it with the respect it's due cause it could end you, but if you're careful and lucky Meg could be the shroomer's nextbest friend.
I'll have to look up this post and give an update when I try this mix.

[toadstooll]

Is kool north did not take it like that, so no biggie bro. 1 teaspoon=1 gram good to know. I will have to mix some up this weekend.

[wild_shroom_hunter]

I made "shroom honey" with 3.5 ozs. Ps. Cyanescens and only 1.25 lb. honey. I realized two weeks ago how easy it is to over do it!!!
Should have used more honey!
Anyhow, I re-calculated (6g honey mixture=1g dry). Instead of using a teaspoon for measurement or just eyeballing it, I'm actually going to weigh it next time!