Honey extract Tek for Cubensis

[Tactile Tunafish]

Originally Posted by Freaky

Trich has been a nasty mold this year, a trich competition would be a hot race....

You haven't heard much from us in the last 6 months or so for this very reason - we had to abort all work on the Falbinos and homemade spore prints - due to being inundated with trich. It's in the frige, in the expresso ground knockbox, it's absolutely everywhere.

[IHeartEntheogens]

I thought heat killed psylocybin?

[TVCasualty]

I made me a jar full of this recipe a few days ago and finally got a chance to taste it, and I'd say it's definitely the state of the art for preserving magic in honey...

With this and chocolates, jello, alcohol extracts, apple butter (great idea), and other things I'm no doubt forgetting, we now have the ability to create the greatest gourmet-sampler holiday gift baskets the world has ever seen.

Originally Posted by IHeartEntheogens

I thought heat killed psylocybin?

Heat mainly speeds up chemical reactions. In this case, oxidation. Boiled water is free of oxygen. So if there's no exposure to oxygen while the magic is hot (but not too hot), it won't degrade until it reaches a high enough temp. capable of destroying the molecules directly.

[Mr. Clean]

thanks for the recipe, golly
whipped up a batch of this stuff last week
just got around to trying a bit..yum!!
i'm quite surprised by the potency

the stealth factor's a big plus, too

[eatyualive]

Originally Posted by TVCasualty

I made me a jar full of this recipe a few days ago and finally got a chance to taste it, and I'd say it's definitely the state of the art for preserving magic in honey...

With this and chocolates, jello, alcohol extracts, apple butter (great idea), and other things I'm no doubt forgetting, we now have the ability to create the greatest gourmet-sampler holiday gift baskets the world has ever seen.





Heat mainly speeds up chemical reactions. In this case, oxidation. Boiled water is free of oxygen. So if there's no exposure to oxygen while the magic is hot (but not too hot), it won't degrade until it reaches a high enough temp. capable of destroying the molecules directly.

word, it will be, pick your poison at the table....lol..

[golly]

Glad you tried it guys..!
I've been wondering what the maximum concentration one could achieve..

Like 100g more finely chopped into the quart of water ,using more acid, a finer filter
cloth that could be pressed with out rupturing..

The finer filtration would give a cleaner honey and with a 100g equivalent in a quarter pint jar ..That'd b pretty sweet...

[warriorsoul]

Nice Golly!
One way to increase potency would be to use less honey .

[kyle2892]

I thought psilocybin begins to break down at 105 F. It seems like heating the mush on the stove without monitoring the heat would be a bit of a gamble with your overall potencty.

[IHeartEntheogens]

thinking about this - using dried mushrooms only psilocin is left - which is pretty stable right? hence this is a psilocin extraction - heating it wouldnt wreck too much

[TVCasualty]

Other way around... Psilocybin is the more stable form that's left in dried mushrooms.

[240punk]

My friends will be so pleased for the break from peanutbutter and shroom samiches.

[|dw|]

I just finished making a batch will let you know this weekend how it turned out. I used 60+ grams dried

[kaos_underwave]

this, is awesome. Fantastic work. Can I ask everyone trying this themselves to attempt to improve procedure?

I think through trial and error we could really get this perfect...not that it isnt brilliant already

How many times did you try this before you decided this method was best, golly?

For example, there are quite a few variables,
[im not criticising, just suggesting things that could be tweaked for various improvements]

filter paper/cotton instead of synthetic shirt [reduce amount of solids]
cook at lower temps for longer?
cook at higher temps for less time?
establish an ideal temp range/maximum [rather than 'simmer']
establish ideal pH after adding ascorbic acid [3?]
best volume to reduce to...

things like that.
If anyone else, like me, has loads of free time, loads of free shrooms, and a passion for evil scientist experiments, lets nail this.

I'd love for this tek to be expandable to an Ultimate Elixir, full of different kinds of magic hehehe

Nice one golly you are leading the way to a bright future

[Shroomette]

Congrats!! on such an excellent tek Golly! I'm definitely wanting to try this out for myself. kaos_underwave not a bad idea imo.

[golly]

Thanx ..I have considered a mushroom Kratom extract blend , as they really compliment each other .. Should be pretty easy..

The method came from building on the work of others too..Have not tried enough times to nail down the optimum method but better filtration would be an improvement..
Also boiling at reduced pressure could be beneficial ,if that's even possible...

[|dw|]

I used the corner of a pillow case ... worked great
I don't think i cooked mine long enough it did not gel like above. But I just tried it and its like a tart honey shroom taste its weird but not bad. In 4 hours i will let you know how powerfull the trip was

[jarethfox]

I can see it now! A friend knocks on the door unexpectedly and you are sitting in your chair with a jar of honey, a spoon and giggling like mad! I so can't wait to get some honey!

Tnx for the Tek!

[jack080247]

Thank you for a great post. So,you're saying that potency is degraded very little or not at all from simmering because the shrooms were dried first?

[wtoad]

This tek ought to come with a warning label. My math may have been off, but a low does sure did knock proper for 5 hours.

I'm curious about the role of ascorbic acid. I've used it in marine aquariums to reduce the ORP (oxidation redux potential) as the vitamin C is essentially a sacrificial oxidizer.

Now I haven't made tea in a while, but I believe I remember the overall coloration of the mix remaining consistent during the brewing process. Essentially remaining various shades of grey, yellow, brown and blue.

When I followed this tek, once the mushrooms were mixed with the ascorbic acid, they almost immediately lost their grays and blues and turned various tan colors.

I am definitely no organic chemist, but It would appear that ascorbic acid has the potential to break the oxygen bonds where the mushroom was bruised during harvest and subsiquent drying.

Might be an uneducated guess - but could this essentially be placing the more stable Psilocybin back to the less stable Psilocin form? Due to the effect of the ascorbic acid and the applied heat?

Again, no chemist, but just making observations against the color change and overall potencey of the dose.

Anyone one else have any thoughts on this?

[golly]

If that were true Toad , then this extract would have expired along time ago..

For those that don't wish to go apeshit with the frying pan - i have an alternate method for Honey extract, that also makes for a potent recovery of goodies..

In a small Pot.

45g dry powdered shrooms are stirred into 6oz hot honey + 1tbsp Ascorbic acid crytals...mix well and remove from heat..
Scoop into a Qt jar...
Add 1 pint everclear alcohol - mix well...
Set in fridge for 5 days ,no shaking needed..
Warm the jar up[loosen lid], using a water heat bath to near boiling, with good ventilation...
Filter the hot honey/shroom mix thru a fine cloth then squeeze the remaining out by twisting the cloth...
Evapourate by fan till the consistency is back to honey ....
There will still be a trace of alcohol left ,it gives the honey a little boost heh.
This method takes longer and costs more but the honey comes out real creamy and smooth ...

[livewire420]

this is for those looking to keep in their personal files

[golly]

Thanx LW..
One thing i gotta say , is that honey made from wood munching Ps.Ovoids has an extremely appealing flavor, whereas cubes have a bit more muddy taste..
Point being, that if u run into a crap load of Cyans out there , then they will likely make for a divine tasting extract too..
The closest description would be if u mixed 10% marmalade with the honey - very clean flavor...

That sounds quite appealing all round!

[mydarling]

golly

i just used your tek to make 2 half pints of honey. only thing i did differently was the amount of mush used - i started with 77.5g, which at 80% extraction efficiency is 62g. i mixed that in with honey for 2 cups total volume, which is 96 teaspoons, so this is 62g/96tsp = 1g/1.5tsp.

oh, also, i filtered some of the reduced mush juice through a coffee filter after filtering through cloth, but i gave up on that about 1/2way through cause it was taking for-ev-errrr.

oh, and one more thing, i added some fresh squeezed orange juice for the flavor and the bonus vitamin C.

here's the result... a little foamy in the pics cause this is RIGHT after i cooked it. the jars are still pipin' hot.





thanks for this tek golly!!!!!!!! i have some friends who are going to be very happy with this xmas present!

[arcamedes333]

Very good tek, it's the way i'll be preserving mine for sure.

[golly]

That looks excellent Darl'n..
The jars are pretty clear..How long did it take you to reduce the tea..?

As for filtration - more work is needed to figure how to reduce the slime that hinders
the draining thru paper filters..Once we nail that part down ,without vacuum filtration, things will be much improved..
I noticed that between the two bottles i made, the one that contains more shroom particles is more jelly like..
The finer one is more honey like and much better tasting..

[TastyBeverage]

Hey Darlin' go easy on dosage before you figure out what the right amount is!
The kangaroo who lives down the street made a batch about that size using 92 grams dried cubes.
One big spoonful was enough for happy fun time.

[buteo]

wow those look great MD

[mydarling]

thanks guys, i hope it tastes as good as it looks

Originally Posted by golly

That looks excellent Darl'n..
The jars are pretty clear..How long did it take you to reduce the tea..?

As for filtration - more work is needed to figure how to reduce the slime that hinders
the draining thru paper filters..Once we nail that part down ,without vacuum filtration, things will be much improved..
I noticed that between the two bottles i made, the one that contains more shroom particles is more jelly like..
The finer one is more honey like and much better tasting..

i think it took about 30 mins to reduce the tea, just like you said. i doubled the mush, the water, and the ascorbic acid for the 25 minute simmer, but after straining i split the mush juice into 2 pots. so each pot was about the same as one of yours.

and yeah man, that slime is friggin gnarly. it was kinda gross squeezing it through the cloth, really gooey and slimey and weiiirrd. the coffee filters didnt do much cause the goo just stuck to it and prevented fluid from passing through. i'd love to make this with a vacuum pump, can i borrow yours?

[mydarling]

Originally Posted by TastyBeverage

Hey Darlin' go easy on dosage before you figure out what the right amount is!
The kangaroo who lives down the street made a batch about that size using 92 grams dried cubes.
One big spoonful was enough for happy fun time.

thanks for the heads up !!! i'll be careful !

[Gloid]

Honey candy!
http://www.cooks.com/rec/doc/0,177,1...246193,00.html

[golly]

Only problem with cooking down to hard candy, would be that the boiling temp begins to rise as it thickens to that point ..It could destroy the goods..
I guess if that temp could be closely regulated - it might work...