Honey extract Tek for Cubensis

golly · 07-09-08, 16:03

Ok , the second preparation of this extract has proven itself, so thought i would give a quick guide to the method..
This extraction/preservation method makes for a convenient,tasty and stealthy
way to store your psilly..
The finished product does not smell,taste or look like
a shroomage product at all , just a dark thick honey with a slight orange flavour..
The extraction efficiency is about 80% afa i can tell..
The first extraction of P. Ovoids from a couple months ago ,has held up really well in the fridge..I would suggest freezing for long term though..
Stuff u need..Of special importance, is a large heavy fry pan and rubber spatula..Also the ascorbic acid crystals [health food store]

Set up your quarter pint honeyjar ,so it is heating in a small pot with water..
This will sanitize the jar and make the honey more fluid..
Sit the jar on it's lid so the heat doesn't crack it..Set the stove on low and
cover-
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Crush your mush [40 g dry] and in a saucepan add 1 quart water and a Tbsp
of Ascorbic acid crystals..This helps with the extraction/preservation
of the magic..

Simmer the mush for 25 mins..and setup your strainer ..I use a piece cut from a poly dress shirt -lasts for many many extractions and has a tight weave for fine filtering..
Lay the material in a colander standing in the frypan..

After 25 min simmer , pour everything into the filter and allow to drain..

Pick up the filter cloth and squeeze out the remaining juice..[wearing rubber gloves helps ALOT heh...

Put the filter back in place and slowly pour 1/2 cup cold water into the mush. So now it has cooled some , you can really twist the crap out of it without burning up..

Now begin frying down your extract ,use moderate to high heat but u must stir continuously especially as it begins to thicken..Don't want to burn the goods but we gotta make good time too ..

As it thickens to the point shown above , it's time to add the heated honey.
Both the honey and the cooked extract will have the same degree of syrupyness heh..
Only about half of the jar is added so you have room for everything..discard
the extra

Cook a few minutes longer and stir constantly..Then pour into your now empty honey jar..

As you can see by the spoonfull i scooped out , it has a jelly like texture once cooled..
It's good stuff peeps..The biggest pita with this is, the constant stirring required for 30 mins ,so pull up a stool..heh
From start to finish, this should take exactly one hour..Any longer then your risking a loss
of goods.

Enjoy...

seymorebunz · 07-09-08, 16:08

Excellent job man.....great write up and illustration.

I really like the look of the finished goods here.....far better than any honey tek i've ever seen.

Lazlo · 07-09-08, 16:13

Nice lookin' stuff for sure!

Hippie3 · 07-09-08, 16:44

awesome

perfection

golly · 07-09-08, 17:10

Thankyou...

it's a real treat, so don't let your kids find it...

camMyco · 07-09-08, 17:30

Honey Freak approval!

As soon as I stop
growing trich. I'm going to give it a run.
Is the heating what degrades the actives?
or extraction efficiency?

Awsome golly!

Hippie3 · 07-09-08, 17:50

looks a bit like apple butter

Dank Side Of The Shroom · 07-09-08, 18:32

very nice and no chunks of booms. this is sumpn for me to try i think. thanks.

golly · 07-09-08, 20:41

I really don't know the heat destruction curve for the magic but it seems to be quite resistant with an hour of boiling..
The estimated 20% loss is partly due to , extracting 40g into a single qt of water, alkaloids still trapped in the mush and proly the heating..

If you have a Butt load of shroomage, then 20% doesn't mean much really...

Someone could try going for an 80g halfpint but the cook time will be longer, unless you have two big fry pans...Who knows, mebbe 90 mins isn't that destructive...

Freaky · 07-09-08, 20:47

Damn fantastic Golly! A great summer recipe. Any info on how long it stores for?

golly · 07-09-08, 21:30

Storage at room temp , i have no idea as to safety or potency retention..

Refridgerated for 8 weeks, the first extract is still very close to it's original strength..

I suspect that freezing maybe good for years..I haven't actually tried a freeze/thaw but i will, with this new jar....

Thnx again for the good vibes guys...

Lazlo · 07-09-08, 22:05

I can't recall exactly, but I reduced either 12 or 15 grams of cubensis down to a single shot nearly. I remember it damn near turned into a paste and it tasted like a limey shroom juice. Terrible! Bitter bear face for sure.

07-10-08, 05:45

Very nice golly! I'll be giving this a go for sure. Just a question - how do you measure up doses?

golly · 07-10-08, 08:20

To figure dosage, divide the number of ml. in the jar by the number of grams used in the extract ..In this case 125ml divided by the 40g dry ..With the efficiency at 80% , that means only 32 of the 40 grams are converted to usable dosing..

so 125ml divided by 32g = 4ml per gram..

Any hoo , it comes out to 1 and quarter teaspoons per gram pretty much...

07-10-08, 09:59

Wow, that is an impressive potency. There is no way that I'm not going to try this now! Thanks very much for the tek mate.

livewire420 · 07-10-08, 10:18

this is going to be on my list can't wait to try it

Beastmaster · 07-10-08, 11:38

Simply marvelous, Golly, simply marvelous!

eatyualive · 07-10-08, 12:10

cool. so heating for 25 minutes doesn't have any adverse effects on potency?

Quote:

Honey Freak approval! As soon as I stop
growing trich . I'm going to give it a run.
Is the heating what degrades the actives?
or extraction efficiency?

we should have a trich growing challenge. i think i might win. lol...real good at growing that stuff especially in the fridge.

camMyco · 07-10-08, 12:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by eatyualive

we should have a trich growing challenge. i think i might win. lol...real good at growing that stuff especially in the fridge.

Freaky · 07-10-08, 12:59

Trich has been a nasty mold this year, a trich competition would be a hot race....

Thanks for the info Golly. I might even just make some up and store for quite a while to test for myself also.

rambi · 07-10-08, 13:44

i can't wait to try this myself.
great instruction, golly. thank you.

...it does kinda look like apple butter... mmmm.

ramb

dice · 07-10-08, 14:45

Thats real thick man, looks tasty. Ive been wanting to try a honey tek, and this one might just be the one. Awesome job man.

exanimo · 07-10-08, 15:21

You're the man, thank you!

steeq · 07-10-08, 17:34

Awesome write, very easy recipe. I've never done honey before. Do you think you could use fresh shrooms for this recipe?

golly · 07-10-08, 17:52

Yes , it should be easy to go directly to extract with fresh shrooms ..You could put 400g in a blender with a pint and half water , then just go long enough to chop , not liquify..
This way they'll be easier to filter and leave a cleaner product..

That would certainly save the hassle of drying first..I haven't tried with fresh but it should work ...

Lazlo · 07-10-08, 18:56

I don't recommend using fresh mushrooms for anything that is going to be stored for too long. Anything over a day or 2 and the potency is terrible. I guess if you handled it like rocket fuel, then you would be a lot better off. Dry mushrooms are really the way to go with teas, juices and stuff like this more than likely. The problem with fresh fungus is that it oxidizes to damn easy and is vulnerable to heat.

moldylogic · 07-10-08, 20:28

I agree with Lazlo on this one...
I've had it explained before by a knowledgeable chemist before (concerning mainly fresh mushroom honey)

Something bad happens is all I remember, not dangerous but not good. I didn't understand a word.

But IME cracker dry honey, at room temp, in the dark will last for years with no noticeable loss in potency.

I cant say the same for 'fresh mushroom honey' which seems to spoil.

Freaky · 07-10-08, 21:01

maybe the water content left in the freshies and the easy degrading of magic? Since water extracts the magic so easily, fresh would seem to not hold potency as well in honey as dry fungus.

golly · 07-10-08, 21:51

I agree that a freshie tea will weaken quickly. In this case, your eliminating most of the water content and ending up with an oily essence , which really is no different than when the mush is re-hydrated from it's dried state , then reduced in this honey Tek..

Any tea made from rehydrated mush will also degrade rapidly with time but by reducing and storing in honey , the degradation is clearly halted ..

Truth is, the only way to really know , is to do the experiment..

I just don't see the difference between drying / re-hydrating and using fresh..

Lazlo · 07-10-08, 21:54

I've stored leftover teas in the fridge for a few months and they'd knock you sideways just like the day they were prepared. Preparing with dry mushrooms is the key.

Psilly_Engineer · 07-10-08, 22:08

Either way...IMHO. I've done it both ways. I do find that you get rid of a lot of mushie taste when you use dry, which is a plus. My favorite extraction is dry mush + everclear for 24 hrs., then mix w/ cold O.J. and chug. Mmmm....tasty. And it takes the edge off!

golly · 07-10-08, 22:16

So Laz, are u suggesting that some kind of enzyme is eliminated by the drying process, which may be responsible for the potency loss in "freshie" tea..?

Lazlo · 07-10-08, 22:19

Your guess is a good as mine. I have a theory that once the alkaloids are cured properly, they remain in tact for quite some time.

Psilly_Engineer · 07-10-08, 22:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lazlo

Your guess is a good as mine. I have a theory that once the alkaloids are cured properly, they remain in tact for quite some time.

I second that theory.

steeq · 07-10-08, 23:01

So would you all use dry rather than fresh for tea then as well?

Psilly_Engineer · 07-10-08, 23:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by steeq

So would you all use dry rather than fresh for tea then as well?

Most definitely I would. My decision being based soley on taste.

Hippie3 · 07-10-08, 23:12

not necessarily-
it's simple:
freshies are best fresh,
if you plan to drink it
right after making it.

if it ain't fresh, go with dried.

golly · 07-10-08, 23:25

I have another batch comin in, so you just know i'll have to try it out...

steeq · 07-10-08, 23:27

double post

steeq · 07-10-08, 23:30

I look forward to hearing the results. Hopefully using fresh would make for a more potent product. Unfortunately not enougn to experiment YET. mmmmmmmm honey

jason_ · 07-11-08, 01:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by golly

To figure dosage, divide the number of ml. in the jar by the number of grams used in the extract ..In this case 125ml divided by the 40g dry ..With the efficiency at 80% , that means only 32 of the 40 grams are converted to usable dosing..

so 125ml divided by 32g = 4ml per gram..

Any hoo , it comes out to 1 and quarter teaspoons per gram pretty much...

By that math, one could theoretically try 62 grams to get more or less one gram per teaspoon (2.5mL). 80% of 62 is around 50, which would give you around 1 gm / mL. Would make things slightly simpler for dosing...

Do you think that much material could be extracted using the same principles? I'd guess it's really just dependent on being able to evap it down far enough without destroying any more of the good stuff...

-Jason

eatyualive · 07-11-08, 10:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lazlo

I don't recommend using fresh mushrooms for anything that is going to be stored for too long. Anything over a day or 2 and the potency is terrible. I guess if you handled it like rocket fuel, then you would be a lot better off. Dry mushrooms are really the way to go with teas, juices and stuff like this more than likely. The problem with fresh fungus is that it oxidizes to damn easy and is vulnerable to heat.

friends waited a week before taking the mushy jello made from freshies and they said it was extremely potent...although i wouldn't put it past a week storage anyway...

Lazlo · 07-11-08, 10:51

I really don't know an exact time limit on it, but my brother made some from fresh mushrooms and then drank it around a week or so after making it and nothing happened at all. It was a big ass pile of mushrooms too.

golly · 07-11-08, 14:17

Yeah with tea, i can tell the difference after 48hrs..

This new experiment may help shed more light on the reason for potency retention or loss..
Also going to try this extract Tek for kratom too, i think it would make a fine concentrate.

If only it could tame the cactus , heh I guess that's too much to ask...

Hippie3 · 07-11-08, 15:11

maybe grind up and stir in a couple tablets of miracle fruit ?

golly · 07-11-08, 16:20

Hehe - it would have to be a bloody miracle to pull that off..

Godflesh · 07-13-08, 12:48

Very nice Golly!

slacker · 07-13-08, 13:44

Yet another excellent thread golly!

golly · 07-13-08, 16:41

Thanx...
I put the honey jar thru the freeze/thaw test and the texture remains the same, so it's good to freeze..

Pictured below is the P. Ovoids extract [left] next to the Cubensis..
The Cube jar is much darker and the taste is not quite as good..
I would recommend the finest filtration possible to get the cleanest results..

Tried a larger dose and has good potency with no signs of bluing...
All that sweetness needs to be spread on a muffin or something..

roc · 07-13-08, 17:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hippie3

looks a bit like apple butter

Damn Hip you just gave me an idea! Why not? I love apple butter!

Sorry to jack the honey thread Golly - awesome tek!

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07-09-08, 16:13	#3 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,591	Nice lookin' stuff for sure! __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

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Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,272	awesome perfection __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

07-09-08, 17:30	#6 (permalink)
camMyco Modified Honey Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,142	Honey Freak approval! As soon as I stop growing trich. I'm going to give it a run. Is the heating what degrades the actives? or extraction efficiency? Awsome golly! __________________ William Blake’s poem: “If the doors of perception were to be cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is: infinite”.

07-09-08, 17:50	#7 (permalink)
Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,272	looks a bit like apple butter __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

07-09-08, 17:10	#5 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	Thankyou... it's a real treat, so don't let your kids find it...

07-09-08, 18:32	#8 (permalink)
Dank Side Of The Shroom Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,520	very nice and no chunks of booms. this is sumpn for me to try i think. thanks. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

07-09-08, 20:41	#9 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	I really don't know the heat destruction curve for the magic but it seems to be quite resistant with an hour of boiling.. The estimated 20% loss is partly due to , extracting 40g into a single qt of water, alkaloids still trapped in the mush and proly the heating.. If you have a Butt load of shroomage, then 20% doesn't mean much really... Someone could try going for an 80g halfpint but the cook time will be longer, unless you have two big fry pans...Who knows, mebbe 90 mins isn't that destructive...

07-09-08, 20:47	#10 (permalink)
Freaky Magik Mod Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,901	Damn fantastic Golly! A great summer recipe. Any info on how long it stores for? __________________

07-09-08, 21:30	#11 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	Storage at room temp , i have no idea as to safety or potency retention.. Refridgerated for 8 weeks, the first extract is still very close to it's original strength.. I suspect that freezing maybe good for years..I haven't actually tried a freeze/thaw but i will, with this new jar.... Thnx again for the good vibes guys...

07-09-08, 22:05	#12 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,591	I can't recall exactly, but I reduced either 12 or 15 grams of cubensis down to a single shot nearly. I remember it damn near turned into a paste and it tasted like a limey shroom juice. Terrible! Bitter bear face for sure. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

07-10-08, 05:45	#13 (permalink)
~psi Guest Posts: n/a	Very nice golly! I'll be giving this a go for sure. Just a question - how do you measure up doses?

07-10-08, 08:20	#14 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	To figure dosage, divide the number of ml. in the jar by the number of grams used in the extract ..In this case 125ml divided by the 40g dry ..With the efficiency at 80% , that means only 32 of the 40 grams are converted to usable dosing.. so 125ml divided by 32g = 4ml per gram.. Any hoo , it comes out to 1 and quarter teaspoons per gram pretty much...

07-10-08, 09:59	#15 (permalink)
~psi Guest Posts: n/a	Wow, that is an impressive potency. There is no way that I'm not going to try this now! Thanks very much for the tek mate.

07-10-08, 10:18	#16 (permalink)
livewire420 Former Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,272	this is going to be on my list can't wait to try it

07-10-08, 11:38	#17 (permalink)
Beastmaster Weremod Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,614	Simply marvelous, Golly, simply marvelous! __________________ "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available." -Gregory Benford

07-10-08, 12:59	#20 (permalink)
Freaky Magik Mod Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,901	Trich has been a nasty mold this year, a trich competition would be a hot race.... Thanks for the info Golly. I might even just make some up and store for quite a while to test for myself also. __________________

07-10-08, 13:44	#21 (permalink)
rambi imaginary friend Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 295	i can't wait to try this myself. great instruction, golly. thank you. ...it does kinda look like apple butter... mmmm. ramb __________________ when you get out of your mind you come to your senses

07-10-08, 14:45	#22 (permalink)
dice Jack of all trades. Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,762	Thats real thick man, looks tasty. Ive been wanting to try a honey tek, and this one might just be the one. Awesome job man. __________________ When in doubt Pack another

07-10-08, 15:21	#23 (permalink)
exanimo Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2	You're the man, thank you! __________________ Borrowing a word from the illustrious Neo, "whoa".

07-10-08, 17:34	#24 (permalink)
steeq Searching.... Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 986	Awesome write, very easy recipe. I've never done honey before. Do you think you could use fresh shrooms for this recipe? __________________ Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it.

07-10-08, 17:52	#25 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	Yes , it should be easy to go directly to extract with fresh shrooms ..You could put 400g in a blender with a pint and half water , then just go long enough to chop , not liquify.. This way they'll be easier to filter and leave a cleaner product.. That would certainly save the hassle of drying first..I haven't tried with fresh but it should work ...

07-10-08, 18:56	#26 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,591	I don't recommend using fresh mushrooms for anything that is going to be stored for too long. Anything over a day or 2 and the potency is terrible. I guess if you handled it like rocket fuel, then you would be a lot better off. Dry mushrooms are really the way to go with teas, juices and stuff like this more than likely. The problem with fresh fungus is that it oxidizes to damn easy and is vulnerable to heat. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

07-10-08, 20:28	#27 (permalink)
moldylogic Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 382	I agree with Lazlo on this one... I've had it explained before by a knowledgeable chemist before (concerning mainly fresh mushroom honey) Something bad happens is all I remember, not dangerous but not good. I didn't understand a word. But IME cracker dry honey, at room temp, in the dark will last for years with no noticeable loss in potency. I cant say the same for 'fresh mushroom honey' which seems to spoil.

07-10-08, 21:01	#28 (permalink)
Freaky Magik Mod Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,901	maybe the water content left in the freshies and the easy degrading of magic? Since water extracts the magic so easily, fresh would seem to not hold potency as well in honey as dry fungus. __________________

07-10-08, 21:51	#29 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	I agree that a freshie tea will weaken quickly. In this case, your eliminating most of the water content and ending up with an oily essence , which really is no different than when the mush is re-hydrated from it's dried state , then reduced in this honey Tek.. Any tea made from rehydrated mush will also degrade rapidly with time but by reducing and storing in honey , the degradation is clearly halted .. Truth is, the only way to really know , is to do the experiment.. I just don't see the difference between drying / re-hydrating and using fresh..

07-10-08, 21:54	#30 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,591	I've stored leftover teas in the fridge for a few months and they'd knock you sideways just like the day they were prepared. Preparing with dry mushrooms is the key. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

07-10-08, 22:08	#31 (permalink)
Psilly_Engineer One of the Best Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 85	Either way...IMHO. I've done it both ways. I do find that you get rid of a lot of mushie taste when you use dry, which is a plus. My favorite extraction is dry mush + everclear for 24 hrs., then mix w/ cold O.J. and chug. Mmmm....tasty. And it takes the edge off! __________________ I am... a mushroom; On whom the dew of heaven drops now and then. ~ John Ford

07-10-08, 22:16	#32 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	So Laz, are u suggesting that some kind of enzyme is eliminated by the drying process, which may be responsible for the potency loss in "freshie" tea..?

07-10-08, 22:19	#33 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,591	Your guess is a good as mine. I have a theory that once the alkaloids are cured properly, they remain in tact for quite some time. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

07-10-08, 23:01	#35 (permalink)
steeq Searching.... Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 986	So would you all use dry rather than fresh for tea then as well? __________________ Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it.

07-10-08, 23:12	#37 (permalink)
Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,272	not necessarily- it's simple: freshies are best fresh, if you plan to drink it right after making it. if it ain't fresh, go with dried. __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

07-10-08, 23:25	#38 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	I have another batch comin in, so you just know i'll have to try it out...

07-10-08, 23:27	#39 (permalink)
steeq Searching.... Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 986	double post __________________ Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it.

07-10-08, 23:30	#40 (permalink)
steeq Searching.... Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 986	I look forward to hearing the results. Hopefully using fresh would make for a more potent product. Unfortunately not enougn to experiment YET. mmmmmmmm honey __________________ Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it.