Blue Honey

[Soliver1]

"Which brings to mind...you still diging' that Kratom thing? I have a really odd plateau affect going..."

Yes - it keeps me going and out of other sorts of 'trouble."
Like any drug, there is a ceiling. Try ramping down your intake for a few
days, then taking a larger dose - you'll feel like it's the first time.

BTW, I've found that tramadol is nice w/ kratom, but it's not an effect
I'll be taking advantage of often, as that would defeat the purpose.

By and by, Kratom is addictive, but at least it's legal and more consistently
supplied than shit from India or elsewhere

I've found that Kratom also helps the first 30 mn of a shroom dose.. take
the shroom with the kratom and it's a nice, speedy but high trip



soliver

[BuckarooBanzai]

Hey, it's good stuff, no doubt. The plateau is that, basically, I get one of two effects. I get the up effect or the down effect. Not a ton of variety in effects, even when I swing dosage pretty wide. It's kind of either not there, up, or down. No real "fade zone" to speak of where it's "kind of there." Just one of the three states. It seems to wear off like that, too. I just glance around and notice that the effects are gone.

I really dig it with some kava and a little caffienated booze. I really dig it with Sparks. VERY social feelings, easy to talk without totally running off at the head. It's got a good listening component, too. The levels about it are just weird, though.

TVC - I like ginko, guarana and ginseng with and without doses. Throw a strong Reishi tea in there. Tasty little things, they are. I'm also not at all adverse to a little Ami tea to open things up for the psilly. Mandrax is also a blast, if you can keep your legs functional...

Yeah, I'm convincing FOAF to make some more honey.

[Hippie3]

A friend had a few fresh that he put in a jar of honey, then forgot about. He found it during a move (it had been in a dark place the whole time) and gave it a try, pulling a single specimen out and chomping it. He tripped enough to call it between a +2 and +3. The jar was eight years old.

and there's yer sign...

[Dr_Love]

For real? So mushrooms are like wine too? You let them sit in the dark for a long time and they get better, wow. I got a fresh pound I gotta go put in honey and burry real qwick, ill be right back

[Hippie3]

did not say that
they get better,
just that potency loss is virtually stopped.

[Dr_Love]

Damn it!!
hang on Ill be right back. I gotta go dig up something

[cap]

i'm told the best way
is to stuff a jar with intact whole freshies
then pour in warm honey to cover.
leave at room temp several weeks
and pour off the water that rises to surface.
once no more water comes up,
it's ready to go in the fridge,
max. potency preserved.
the honey is magic,
and you can pull out a 'candied' freshie
if desired.

i don't see how one could easily place enough silica in a jar of honey to fully desiccate a batch of freshies 'n honey.
quite a bit of water comes off & it's just so easy to pour it off.
but hey, use silica if you want.
btw the process of it giving up the water is rather slow by most standards
so be patient, good bluhoney takes a few months.

what about skipping the pouring, and lettin mother nature do the work?
have ya seen anybody try it with the lid OFF the honey jar till the excess moisture evaps?

since honey doesn't contam, and providing there are no boomers stickin' out the surface,
this would allow the moisture to escape, no?

a simple screen could be placed over the top to prevent insects from feasting

?

[Hippie3]

the water would ferment.

btw
on reading your quotes
it occurs to me that i omitted
one small detail-
as the water comes out
the honey volume will lower
so you'll want to keep it
topped off by adding more warm honey
as needed.

[fucgubarn]

if i may add some semilanceata blue honey pix from last year,this jar is stuffed realy well

[Lazlo]

I bet that honey will knock your socks off Barn!

[Hippie3]

[altered_states]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

when freshies are used in blue honey
water does seep out of the shrooms and pools on top,
this should be poured off & used in yer tea.

Damn... I knew that I shouldn't have poured that stuff down the drain.
Oh well... My blue honey still sent me into orbit.
Made it with freshies from one of my first grows.
3 months in a cabinet and no problems...
Just fun

[{Mr}fLoYd]

So i was poking around the archives reading about honey and since i couldnt post on any of the closed archival threads i wanted to start my own in hopes to hear of some responces. I know Buckaroo and TVcasualty had a rousing conversation about the comparison to freshies and dried being stored and how water extraction can impact the honey, that thread was nice but im a chef and to be honest not all things stored in something such as oil or honey (which as was stated correctly in the thread do not present themselvs well to bacterial growth) PREVENT bacterial growth.

Anaerobic (i think) bacteria. that is the bacteria that DO NOT require oxygen to grow are by far the most dangerous bacteria that can come from food stuffs. these bacteria make e-coli look like the flu virus. that is why raw garlic is not to be stored in oil without first being brought to a cooking temperature of 161 degrees feirenheight for 30 minutes. the same can be said for ALL pickling (which is what storing mushrooms in honey is) needs to have some sort of temperature control issue. the easiest way to kill bacteria is to heat it. if you remove this then the next easiest is to kill it with acidity thats why we use bleach.

FOOD , (sugar) TIME (the weeks storing freshies in honey) Temperature (not heating above 160 or freezing for 30 minutes) Acidity (honey isnt at either end of the scale) and Moisture ( which all fresh mushrooms contain) These are five of the six things that bacteria requires for growing in the other is Oxygen which we have eliminated since honey doesnt permit much oxygen echange.

Im not really chastizing the theory behind storing freshies (it just goes agains every cullinary bone in my body for the above reasons) and i have stored some dried in honey i just havnt had the oportunity to sample it ( i dont does much).

i was just wondering if we could open back up the discussion as to if anyone has tried to store freshies long term and what the effects as far as potency are long term (like 8 month + we'll say) for honey using dried mushrooms.

Thanks ... Floyd

[Hippie3]

sounds good, always open to fresh discussion.
i think the sugar content of honey,
as long as it is not diluted with water,
is too high for bacteria to grow in.

[Mycorama]

honey naturally contains hydrogen peroxide, which kills spores so i think it would be alright.
ive heard the aztec indains stored mushrooms in honey...

[BuckarooBanzai]

I've stuck a lot of mushies in honey, but they never lasted much more than a couple of months at the most (and that jar got forgotten about!).

A question though...you should cook garlic before keeping it in oil? I'm sorry if that sounds stupid, but I pretty much always have a bottle of olive oil in the fridge with two or three heads of squashed garlic in it. Sometimes with balsamic vinegar, sometimes just the oil (I love to sautee with it).

Again, not to sound stupid, but that is a bad idea?

[{Mr}fLoYd]

hey thats cool likei said im not having a problem with the storing of mushrooms in honey i was just looking for a little closure the thread was so nice i just wanted some conclusion to it all.

Buckaroo are u saying that honey does not keep muchrooms potent and useable as long as say chocolate does?

Aslo no dumb questions i got a little rambling up there in the post. ..Garlic is the usual example they give to cullinary students in college. There are a whole host of reasons why they do this but in general if you just have some garlic chillin in the oil it will be fine im sure you use it fast enough and also if u are cooking with it you will kill the bacteria when you heat it, if you want to create a nice dipping sauce to eat with bread and make it taste like garlic then heat the oil over lowish heat unitl the garlic in it starts to bubble in the oil, let it go for a minnute or so then turn it off and bottle it and let it hang around and get lovely. aside from being slightly safer this will also make the garlic flavor a little sweeter and less harsh or bitter than raw garlic, give it a try and see how u like it. of course there are several variables when doing this if the garlic gets dark because the oil is too hot ect ect but im trusing you have good common cooking sense if your storing garlic in oil for the flavor .... now see what you have done when you ask cullinary questions i get to rambling again LOL oh well hope it helps

[waylitjim]

I've never put fresh mushrooms in honey, so I can't comment on that.

If they're dry, honey is a nice way to preserve them for easy dosing.

I usually powder them in a coffee grinder, then mix the honey in.

Honey is my favorite way to injest dry psilocybes.

[BuckarooBanzai]

Originally Posted by {Mr}fLoYd

Buckaroo are u saying that honey does not keep muchrooms potent and useable as long as say chocolate does?

No, I'm saying of all the times I ever stuck them in honey, the honey all got eaten before any long term testing could be done! I had some once that was 3-4 months old, but only because I had forgotten about it (it was quite good, still). That was long before I realized that my FOAF could grow all the psillys he could ever possibly want (and then some) in a plastic bin on his windowsill!

At this point, dealing with pouring off the water and all that seems not worth the effort. Just stick 'em in a dehydrator and throw what you'll need for the day in a coffee grinder. Tea, smoothies and/or gel caps (and of course freshies!!!) are my preferred methods if ingestion at this point.

[{Mr}fLoYd]

Kool yeah like i said im not one to dose much .. the misses doesnt care for it lol ... although she doesnt mind me growing oddly enough ? LOL ...

so im always looking for long term storage so they are there when i need em. I usually go for powdered opposed to chopped or whole mushies but thanks for the reports just wanted to know if anything had ever come of the tests/thought processes.

[Hippie3]

gee sometimes it sounds like you guys think
we just make shit up
and use y'all as guinea pigs to test it.
OF COURSE someone has used honey for storage before,
many people have. i've heard even a couple years later it's still good.
what more do you need to know ?

[nepenthes_ak]

I love honey as much as the next guy, and I'm getting 2 honey bee hives. I have heard that you can store mushrooms in honey?

Is that possible? I don't see why not, but just thought i would double check and if not i will try it out and find out. Might add a twist to the flavor any ways. Maybe easier to go down? I know that honey is really anti bacterial, and I'm sure would keep any kind of mold from growing. I don't see why it couldn't help store them. I'm sure it would be better to store them DRY than wet, this would save space too I'm sure. I'm think they could keep for a good while in honey to.

[beebopboy]

Ive a had little experience with using honey.
I would toss all my aborts in a jar of honey right after they were freshly picked but it was kinda hit or miss....

The first two times I did it, all was well, very little if any potency loss but then again they werent stored for too long before someone got into em.

The last jar I did, however, was stored for a few months and when me and my friends tried it out we got little more then a buzz.

Im pretty sure it was because I put them in there fresh.
Honey is a good antibacterial only when its at high concentration, or in other words, without water.

Wait and see what the big guns say before making a decision but I personally think its a great idea for those little aborts.
JUST MAKE SURE YOU DRY EM OUT!

[nepenthes_ak]

How much did you use?

[beebopboy]

Originally Posted by nepenthes_ak

How much did you use?

I couldnt say for sure.

There wasnt any drying out or weighing.

Id just try to get a nice little dense layer of em to toss in the jar, adding enough honey just to cover.

It was just something to do with those little ugly buggers. It was based more on volume than weight, so dosing could be pretty hard.

If I were serious about doing it.... Id take a cracker dry O, powder it, and mix it into about a half pint of honey. Thatd make dosing about 2 tablespoons for 3.5 g of magic.

[waylitjim]

You can fit an ounce dry in a jar of honey.
I've done it many times, and really enjoy it.
Powder them really well in a coffee grinder.
It's great for long term storage,
it's also a nice way to dose.
Just make sure they're bone dry.

[nepenthes_ak]

16 oz's in a pound of honey (this is how much I assume you bought)

1 ounces = 28.3495231 gram


So Would I be correct if i assumed their would be aprox 9, 3g doses assuming you put an OZ in a pound of honey? How Do I dose this then? Dont worry I know why i failed math in highschool...