Will Trade a Good Print for German Translation

[mjshroomer]

I need the two small paragraphs translated (Literally?) from German into English. Please give correct translation.

I will trade the person who can do this a good Ecuadorian Print

mjshroomer

thanks in advance.

Paneolus cyanescens 1999.

Dieses Bild Können Sie auch draussen im Original sehen, es ist eine wahre Geshchchte, natürlich Himmel können sich so strukturieren, dass dieganze Strahlung einen Thythmus aufnimmt. Dieser Pilz, Panaeolus cyanescens, wächst in so Gebieten wie Florida, wo es sehr feucht und schwül warden kann. Ich habe da einen Monat sugebracht.

PANEOLUS PURPURESCENS 1999.

Dies ist Paneolus Purpurescens und hat mit dem ozeanischen Gefühl zu tun. Vielleicht haben die Pilze mit ihrem weltumspannenden Mycel nur sichbar gemacht.

[Dr_T]

I guess you tried Google?
I got:
"
Quote:
Paneolus cyanescens 1999.

This image can also see out in the original, it is a true Geshchchte, of course, the sky can be so structured that dieganze radiation a Thythmus entered. This fungus, Panaeolus cyanescens, grows in areas such as Florida, where it is very humid and muggy warden. I have one months sugebracht.

PANEOLUS PURPURESCENS 1999.

This is Paneolus Purpurescens and, with the oceanic feeling to be done. Perhaps the mushrooms with their global Mycel only made visible.

"

Which isn't very good, but it might be useful in context.

[LocoH]

Paneolus cyanescens 1999.

This picture ability you also outside in the original see is so can structure itself, it a true Geshchchte, naturally sky that dieganze radiation receives a Thythmus. This fungus, Panaeolus cyanescens, are awake in so zones as well as Florida where it can became very damp and muggy. I have there a month sugebracht.

PANEOLUS PURPURESCENS 1999.

This is Paneolus Purpurescens and has with the oceanic feeling to do. Perhaps the fungi with its weltumspannenden Mycel made only sichbar.

[LocoH]

Paneolus cyanescens 1999. This picture ability you also outside in the original see, it are natural a true Geshchchte, skies can structure itself in such a way that those-whole radiation takes up a Thythmus. This mushroom, Panaeolus cyanescens, grows in in such a way areas such as Florida, where it can warden very damp and stifling. I sugebracht there one month. PANEOLUS PURPURESCENS 1999. This is Paneolus Purpurescens and has with the oceanic feeling to do. Perhaps the mushrooms with their global Mycel made only itselfable.

[Hippie3]

lol
he did specify
a CORRECT translation
& i don't think either of those are quite right...

[LocoH]

I checked this against several sources.

the best thing i could really find was this article written about it in german also, http://www.fredweidmann.com/fredweidmann.pdf

[LocoH]

Geshchchte, dieganze, Thythmus, sugebracht

These words are dialect specific, and therefore can really only be translated by someone who speaks it them self. Your best chance is to post this in the international forum and hope to get a hit there. I did the best i could without using babelfish lol

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by LocoH

I checked this against several sources.

the best thing i could really find was this article written about it in german also, http://www.fredweidmann.com/fredweidmann.pdf

LocoH also said:

Geshchchte, dieganze, Thythmus, sugebracht

These words are dialect specific, and therefore can really only be translated by someone who speaks it them self. Your best chance is to post this in the international forum and hope to get a hit there. I did the best i could without using babelfish lol

This is the International forum.

The picture in the PDF posted by Weidmann is Copelandia tropicalis, not Panaeolus cyanescens and it is from Hawaii, not from Florida, although bith species do occur in Florida.

I know because I took the photo of that mushroom in his painting (One of three he used in his art).

2nd, the mushroom he describes as Paneolus purpuratus is actually Gymnopilus purpuratus. There is no species known as Paneolus purpuratus.

The G. purpuratus is originally form the Austral Floral Zone and in the 1980s appeared in public gardens and parks throughout Germany after compost and manure from pigs mixed with woodchips were imported into Germany form Chili and Argentina in Peru

This person published these in a calender and in Europe where I would not have seen them had I not gone into a Smart Shoppe in Holland and saw those images of mine being sold with someone else's name on them.

And Everyone here knows that Panaeolus is not spelled as Paneolus.

Thus I need a correct translation of the two paragraphs so I can contact this person and know what I am speaking about. He obviously does not know about mushrooms.

mjshroomer, thanks for trying, but again, as Hippi3 noted, I need a correct translation,

have a shroomy day,

mjshroomer

[prankster]

These words are dialect specific

Yes you are right. Sounds like an bavarian guy but i think he is stupid because the writing is wired.

Geshchchte, dieganze, Thythmus, sugebracht

Geshchchte = Geschichte = History

dieganze = die ganze = The Whole

Thythmus = I never hear that word but it seems its an word for the german word Rhytmus = rhythm . I think its an very old word.

Sugebracht = Zugebracht = to spend


I find the rest of the second paragraph

was wir ja auch sind: wir sind vernetzt und wir verstehen uns unter der Haut schon
längst, bevor wir uns noch mit Geschichten alles weg-reden.

So the second text is (My english is bad and the text is in german also very wired)

Dies ist ein Paneolus Purpurescens und hat mit dem ozeanischen Gefühl zu tun.
Vielleicht haben die Pilze mit ihrem weltumspannenden Mycel nur sichtbar gemacht,
was wir ja auch sind: wir sind vernetzt und wir verstehen uns unter der Haut schon
längst, bevor wir uns noch mit Geschichten alles weg-reden.

This is a Panaeolus Purpurescens and had to do with the oceanic felling. Maby the shrooms have with the global mycel only visible indetified (that was the best word in english what i find) what we are : we are networked and we understand us under the skin before we talk us with histories everything away.

[koldjgdaro]

Sound like decryption of some kind of mystical text written in an ancient language. Nice picture I got in my head ;].

[Fresh Brewed]

This is a translator site that my wife uses (she's a kindergarden teacher), to comunicate with some of her students parents.
AltaVista - Babel Fish Translation

Works for a ton of differnt languages...not really sure about the accuracy, she might be telling them to go f..k themselves

[prankster]

I read that the guy is an artist.

[koldjgdaro]

I consider myself to be an artist to and I have to admit that artists make grrreat trip reports. I bet that it's and interesting texts in german .

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by prankster

I read that the guy is an artist.

albeit an illiterate one

[HUMBLE STUDENT]

This picture skill you also see outdoors in the original, it is a true Geshchchte, of course skies can structure themselves so that dieganze radiation takes up a Thythmus. This mushroom, Panaeolus cyanescens, grows in thus areas like Florida where it can very humid and sultrily warden. I have there one month sugebracht.

theres the translation plz tell me i still get the print i could really use it

[Rhizoo]

Oh my, those machine translations are just funny

@MJ: The text you posted contains so much typos that it sounds rather silly. There is no dialect involved at all The original text from the pfd posted by LocoH is written rather well (if one considers that it is a transcript of an aural presentation). He presents some of his paintings, and tells some background stories, visions and free associations.

He is no mycologist, and its no wonder he screwed up the taxonomy because for him the names are just titles to the pictures or a reference to the time when they were made.

Note: when you are talking about the pictures, do you mean the drawings in the pdf?

Ok, I'll give you a translation based on the pdf. I include the paragraph before, so the background becomes more clear:

ps. azurescens:
Then a nice time begun. A contract was made with the swiss Nachtschattenverlag [famous publisher of drug-related stuff]. We wanted to make a calendar of mushrooms, holy mushrooms. So I had to gain knowledge how the different mushrooms work. I'm not someone who is greedy for intoxination, but if I want to give account, I want to do it truthfully. So some pictures were made especially for the calendar, which are more of a illustrating kind. But this picture [above] is still one which is integrated in a vision. This rhythm, this transformation into female form, this you experience when you watch those worlds.

pan. cyan:
The original of this picture you can see outside [I guess outside of the conference room, but could also mean outdoors when watching the sky], it shows [is based on] a true story, of course. The sky can show a structure in a way that all radiation [rays of light] begin to exhibit rhythm. This mushroom, pan. cyanescens, grows in such places like Florida, where it can become very humid and sticky/sweltry. I lived there once for a month.

pan. purpurescens:
This is a pan. purp. and it is connected with oceanic feeling [look at pic]. Perhaps the mushrooms with their world-encompassing mycelium just made obvious what we are too: we are connected with each other and just have a [inherent] deeper understanding of each other [concept of oneness] - before we spoil it when we open our mouths and start playing games. [note: last sentence is impossible to translate literally, I just tried to capture the meaning]

[Hippie3]

bravo!
well done.

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by Rhizoo

Oh my, those machine translations are just funny

@MJ: The text you posted contains so much typos that it sounds rather silly. There is no dialect involved at all The original text from the pfd posted by LocoH is written rather well (if one considers that it is a transcript of an aural presentation). He presents some of his paintings, and tells some background stories, visions and free associations.

He is no mycologist, and its no wonder he screwed up the taxonomy because for him the names are just titles to the pictures or a reference to the time when they were made.

Note: when you are talking about the pictures, do you mean the drawings in the pdf?

Ok, I'll give you a translation based on the pdf. I include the paragraph before, so the background becomes more clear:

ps. azurescens:
Then a nice time begun. A contract was made with the swiss Nachtschattenverlag [famous publisher of drug-related stuff]. We wanted to make a calendar of mushrooms, holy mushrooms. So I had to gain knowledge how the different mushrooms work. I'm not someone who is greedy for intoxination, but if I want to give account, I want to do it truthfully. So some pictures were made especially for the calendar, which are more of a illustrating kind. But this picture [above] is still one which is integrated in a vision. This rhythm, this transformation into female form, this you experience when you watch those worlds.

pan. cyan:
The original of this picture you can see outside [I guess outside of the conference room, but could also mean outdoors when watching the sky], it shows [is based on] a true story, of course. The sky can show a structure in a way that all radiation [rays of light] begin to exhibit rhythm. This mushroom, pan. cyanescens, grows in such places like Florida, where it can become very humid and sticky/sweltry. I lived there once for a month.

pan. purpurescens:
This is a pan. purp. and it is connected with oceanic feeling [look at pic]. Perhaps the mushrooms with their world-encompassing mycelium just made obvious what we are too: we are connected with each other and just have a [inherent] deeper understanding of each other [concept of oneness] - before we spoil it when we open our mouths and start playing games. [note: last sentence is impossible to translate literally, I just tried to capture the meaning]

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by Rhizoo

Oh my, those machine translations are just funny

@MJ: The text you posted contains so much typos that it sounds rather silly. There is no dialect involved at all The original text from the pfd posted by LocoH is written rather well (if one considers that it is a transcript of an aural presentation). He presents some of his paintings, and tells some background stories, visions and free associations.

He is no mycologist, and its no wonder he screwed up the taxonomy because for him the names are just titles to the pictures or a reference to the time when they were made.

Note: when you are talking about the pictures, do you mean the drawings in the pdf?

Ok, I'll give you a translation based on the pdf. I include the paragraph before, so the background becomes more clear:

ps. azurescens:
Then a nice time begun. A contract was made with the swiss Nachtschattenverlag [famous publisher of drug-related stuff]. We wanted to make a calendar of mushrooms, holy mushrooms. So I had to gain knowledge how the different mushrooms work. I'm not someone who is greedy for intoxination, but if I want to give account, I want to do it truthfully. So some pictures were made especially for the calendar, which are more of a illustrating kind. But this picture [above] is still one which is integrated in a vision. This rhythm, this transformation into female form, this you experience when you watch those worlds.

pan. cyan:
The original of this picture you can see outside [I guess outside of the conference room, but could also mean outdoors when watching the sky], it shows [is based on] a true story, of course. The sky can show a structure in a way that all radiation [rays of light] begin to exhibit rhythm. This mushroom, pan. cyanescens, grows in such places like Florida, where it can become very humid and sticky/sweltry. I lived there once for a month.

pan. purpurescens:
This is a pan. purp. and it is connected with oceanic feeling [look at pic]. Perhaps the mushrooms with their world-encompassing mycelium just made obvious what we are too: we are connected with each other and just have a [inherent] deeper understanding of each other [concept of oneness] - before we spoil it when we open our mouths and start playing games. [note: last sentence is impossible to translate literally, I just tried to capture the meaning]

Rhizoo, send me a pm with your addy and I will send you some prints.

I received this email yesterday but forgot to post it here. Here is from my colleague, Dr. Tjakko Stijve

Hello John,

Weidmann actually is of Swiss nationality. I never heard of him until now.
If his art is popular, it must be due to the eroticism he adds to his 'shrooms.
Now for the translations of his ravings:

(THE TRANSLATION BY TJAKKO

Panaeolus 1999


The original picture you can also see outside ; it is a true story, of course, heavens can be structured such that the whole radiation takes on a (cosmic?) rhythm. This mushroom, Panaeolus cyanescens, grows in regions like Florida, where the climate is humid and hot. I spent a whole month over there.


Paneolus purpurescens 1999

This is Paneolus purpurescens and it has to do with our oceanic feeling. Perhaps the mushrooms have, due to their worldwide mycelium, only rendered visible what we (basically) are: we all form a network, and understand each other already from under our skin, before we explain away everything by telling stories.

TJAKKO's COMMENTS ABOUT WEIDMANN

Well, for me this high-faluting crap does not make much sense. There is no such 'shroom as Panaeolus purpurescens. That there could be confusion with Gymnopilus purpuratus isanybody's guess.

Hope this helps a bit. You have been too generous with your photos.

I wish you lots of success with your current projects. It is good to learn that Shulgin, Sex, Mushrooms and Rock & Roll will be published before long.

Question: Did Gartz send you the paper he published with Nielsen and Laatsch on aeruginascin?
It does not have much news compared to Niels' original thesis.

Next month I'll send you some reprints of my recent papers.

Best regards,

Tjakko

Rhizoo,

Your translation was pretty much close to What Tjakko translated for me and you can see his comment about the mushrooms.

The P. cyanescens is really P. tropicalis and was from Hawaii. Weidmann's words suggests he found that mushroom in Florida. This was not true.


And to name one Paneolus (Panaeolus) purpuratus which is a non existing species also spreads misinformation across the www.

Of course we all now know he is referring to Gymnopilus purpuratus.

I emailed him data about this in the past and he fails to respond to my emails. I did not flame him or anything but I did ask why he used my images and did not credit me in the calender for my work. And I also noted above that even Paul Stamets was not aware of this calender, yet he was listed as one of the editors of the calender.

I also want to point out that I was at the 1999 Psychoactivity Conference and later gave a lecture at the Kokopeli Smart Shop. Since the conference was in October, that meant that Weidmann met me at this conference and then between October and December, he somehow got copies of some of my photos from somewhere (maybe Gartz). The Calender was published in 2000 and was three months into the year making it obsolete as a saleable product. So in a two to three month period he painted those first three images of azures, cyans and Gymnopilus. I also noiced that the three images of mine, the Panaeolus, the P. cyanescens and the P stuntzii were also 3 of the 11 images of mine which appeared in the Gartz Post Card Series where Gartz used 11 of my photos with 11 of his photos and I was given credit in the cards for five image when there where 11. That was the publishers fault. And they were selling the postcards all throughout Europe from the same German publishers who published the Calender and other German language drug books.


mjshroomer

So Rhizoo, send me a pm with your addy and I will send you some prints.

[Rhizoo]

Hi MJ,

Weidmann's words suggests he found that mushroom in Florida. This was not true.

Careful here He does not say that he found them there, just that they can be found there. From the context I doubt that the presentation was targeted at people with mycological knowledge - the presentation was more aimed at people who like his style of artwork. To me it seems that he felt he should include some bits of information in his talk, and did only remember the facts in a more general way.

So in a two to three month period he painted those first three images of azures, cyans and Gymnopilus. I also noiced that the three images of mine, the Panaeolus, the P. cyanescens and the P stuntzii were also 3 of the 11 images of mine which appeared in the Gartz Post Card Series where Gartz used 11 of my photos with 11 of his photos and I was given credit in the cards for five image when there where 11. That was the publishers fault. And they were selling the postcards all throughout Europe from the same German publishers who published the Calender and other German language drug books.

I found an interview with him here:
Interview mit dem visionären Künstler Fred Weidmann

I: magic mushrooms 2000 calendar/postcards[...]Woher hast Du die Inspiration zu diesen Werken bezogen und wie bist Du technisch an die Sache herangegangen?
FW: Ich erzähl Dir jetzt aus dem Herzen von Bayern die Wahrheit, die volle Wahrheit: ...but I didn't inhale! Es gibt Mykologen in Universitätskreisen, die von Berufswegen die Genießbarkeit und die chemische Beschaffenheit von Pilzen erkunden müssen. In diesem Fall hatte ich wunderbare Unterstützung von den kompetenten Fachleuten Dr. Jochen Gartz und Dr. Christian Rätsch. Ich habe deren differenziertes Wissen und ihr Fotomaterial eingebaut. Man hört, dass die Gewichtung der Wirkstoffe bei den verschiedenen Arten von Schleimlingen unterschiedlich sei, das aber sei nicht so wichtig wie der Standort und der Stand deiner Herzensdinge. Jedenfalls als wir den Kalender planten, gab es bereits ein paar Bilder, die so sehr zum Thema passten, dass wir nur noch ein Pilzfoto hineinpappen mussten, um die Wissenschaftlichkeit zu signalisieren. Um zwölf verschiedene Pilze zu behandeln, mussten auch Exoten herhalten, die kein Mensch kennt - ich auch nicht. [...]

interviewer: [...] so, where did you found your inspriation for this artworks, and how they were accomplished technically?
FW: [...] There are mycolologists at universities who have to check the edibility and chemical composition of mushrooms. In this case, I had the wonderful support of the competent professionals Dr. Jochen Gartz und Dr. Christian Rätsch. I've incorporated/included their sophisticated knowledge and their photo material [in the artwork] [note: it does nether say or not say here that there weren't used any materials from others]. [...] Anyway, when we planned the calendar, there already existed some [of my] paintings which were so close to the subject that we just had to add a mushroom photo to give them a scientific aspect. To cover twelve different species, some exotic species had to serve which nobody knows - me neither.[...]


From the context I think he didn't choose the species or obtain the photos himself, instead they were presented to him by other people to base his paintings on respective add them to existing paintings. I guess it would make more sense to contact the people who choose the photos, probably the editor or the publisher.

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by Rhizoo

Hi MJ,

Careful here He does not say that he found them there, just that they can be found there. From the context I doubt that the presentation was targeted at people with mycological knowledge - the presentation was more aimed at people who like his style of artwork. To me it seems that he felt he should include some bits of information in his talk, and did only remember the facts in a more general way.



I found an interview with him here:
Interview mit dem visionären Künstler Fred Weidmann

interviewer: [...] so, where did you found your inspriation for this artworks, and how they were accomplished technically?
FW: [...] There are mycolologists at universities who have to check the edibility and chemical composition of mushrooms. In this case, I had the wonderful support of the competent professionals Dr. Jochen Gartz und Dr. Christian Rätsch. I've incorporated/included their sophisticated knowledge and their photo material [in the artwork] [note: it does nether say or not say here that there weren't used any materials from others]. [...] Anyway, when we planned the calendar, there already existed some [of my] paintings which were so close to the subject that we just had to add a mushroom photo to give them a scientific aspect. To cover twelve different species, some exotic species had to serve which nobody knows - me neither.[...]




From the context I think he didn't choose the species or obtain the photos himself, instead they were presented to him by other people to base his paintings on respective add them to existing paintings. I guess it would make more sense to contact the people who choose the photos, probably the editor or the publisher.

A Update on March 10, 2008:\\

First:
They are Panaeolus tropicalis, not Panaeolus cyanescens. Picked in hawaii, not Florida, although as you noted, they do grow in Florida.

I would like to point out that the publishers, Liggenstorfer, used photos from a postcard series they published of Gartz' shroom photographs.

Of the 22 pictures in that postcard series by Gartz were 11 of my photographs, however, only 5 were listed as by me. And this was sold around Europe without my permission and without Gartz telling me he was selling my photographs in Europe all over.

I only found out when I went to Amsterdam in 1999 and found them for sale in a Smart Shop.


The same for the calendar. A friend of Alan Shoemaker approached me to sell this calendar years after it was published because the publishers failed to get it on the market until three months into th year, costing Alan a small fortune in printing.

IT too was being sold behind my back with no reference to me as one of the contributors with three photos on the calendar.

As for the name purpurescens, it is also used to denote three other species,


There are Cantherellis purpurescens, Cebarius purpurescens and Morchella purpurescens. But no Panaeolus purpurescens.

Pans have black spores and there is no purple associated with them. A lack of mycology by Gartz, which becomes apparent more and more each day of his mistakes and errors.

Finally, When I asked Paul Stamets about this calendar he said he had no idea about it at all until he was sent a copy of it in the mail. However, his name was listed as one of the three editors of this paper/ Also wothout his knowledge.


Now from Germany, a new mushroom book for $65.00 titles:

"Outlawing Magic Mushrooms: The Prohibition of Psilocybin in the United states. Published by noted mycologist, Dr,. Muller and written by Coin Wark and John F. Galliher. Paper bound. What a rip-off price for a paper bound book with no illustrations

mjshroomer

I think somewhere on the internet at a shroom site someone already posted a few pages from this book
Mjshroomer

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by Rhizoo

Hi MJ,

Careful here He does not say that he found them there, just that they can be found there. From the context I doubt that the presentation was targeted at people with mycological knowledge - the presentation was more aimed at people who like his style of artwork. To me it seems that he felt he should include some bits of information in his talk, and did only remember the facts in a more general way.



I found an interview with him here:
Interview mit dem visionären Künstler Fred Weidmann

interviewer: [...] so, where did you found your inspriation for this artworks, and how they were accomplished technically?
FW: [...] There are mycolologists at universities who have to check the edibility and chemical composition of mushrooms. In this case, I had the wonderful support of the competent professionals Dr. Jochen Gartz und Dr. Christian Rätsch. I've incorporated/included their sophisticated knowledge and their photo material [in the artwork] [note: it does nether say or not say here that there weren't used any materials from others]. [...] Anyway, when we planned the calendar, there already existed some [of my] paintings which were so close to the subject that we just had to add a mushroom photo to give them a scientific aspect. To cover twelve different species, some exotic species had to serve which nobody knows - me neither.[...]




From the context I think he didn't choose the species or obtain the photos himself, instead they were presented to him by other people to base his paintings on respective add them to existing paintings. I guess it would make more sense to contact the people who choose the photos, probably the editor or the publisher.

A Update on March 10, 2008:\\

First:
They are Panaeolus tropicalis, not Panaeolus cyanescens. Picked in hawaii, not Florida, although as you noted, they do grow in Florida.

I would like to point out that the publishers, Liggenstorfer, used photos from a postcard series they published of Gartz' shroom photographs.

Of the 22 pictures in that postcard series by Gartz were 11 of my photographs, however, only 5 were listed as by me. And this was sold around Europe without my permission and without Gartz telling me he was selling my photographs in Europe all over.

I only found out when I went to Amsterdam in 1999 and found them for sale in a Smart Shop.


The same for the calendar. A friend of Alan Shoemaker approached me to sell this calendar years after it was published because the publishers failed to get it on the market until three months into th year, costing Alan a small fortune in printing.

IT too was being sold behind my back with no reference to me as one of the contributors with three photos on the calendar.

As for the name purpurescens, it is also used to denote three other species,


There are Cantherellis purpurescens, Cebarius purpurescens and Morchella purpurescens. But no Panaeolus purpurescens.

Pans have black spores and there is no purple associated with them. A lack of mycology by Gartz, which becomes apparent more and more each day of his mistakes and errors.

Finally, When I asked Paul Stamets about this calendar he said he had no idea about it at all until he was sent a copy of it in the mail. However, his name was listed as one of the three editors of this paper/ Also wothout his knowledge.


Now from Germany, a new mushroom book for $65.00 titles:

"Outlawing Magic Mushrooms: The Prohibition of Psilocybin in the United states. Published by noted mycologist, Dr,. Muller and written by Coin Wark and John F. Galliher. Paper bound. What a rip-off price for a paper bound book with no illustrations.. With a picture on the cover of Coprinus comatus (the Shaggy Mane). Not even a psilocybin photograph.



mjshroomer

I think somewhere on the internet at a shroom site someone already posted a few pages from this book


Mjshroomer

[mjshroomer]

Here is Dr. Galliher's dissertation on this subject which became the basis for his book:



mjshroomer