Bluefoot Mushroom Translation needed Italian?

[warriorsoul]

Heres some old text i think its italian or something.


Psilocybe caerulipes Peck 38 Rep. St. Mus. p. 89. -- Pileo tenui,
subcampanulato, dein convexo obtusoque vel subumbonato, glabro, hygrophano, viscidulo, aquose brunneo, udo, margine striatulo, sicco flavescente vel subochraceo, disco saepe brunneo; stipite gracili, aequali, flexuoso tenaci, cavo vel medulla secernibili farcto, subtiliter fibrilloso, apice pruinoso, caeruleo, subinde apice albido; lamellis primo adscendentibus, confertis, adnatis, griseocinnamomeis, dein ferrugineo-brunneis, acie alba ; sporis ellipticis 7-10=4-5.
Hab. ad ligna putrescentia South Ballston Americae borealis.
- Fungus solitarius vel caespitosus, 2,5-4 cm/ altus ; pileus 1-2 cm. circ. latus ; stipes 2mm. crassus.

Please translate to english.
If you do a good job, i send some
koh samui prints, if you want em.

[Hippie3]

http://forums.mycotopia.net/forum-in...rs-needed.html (TRANSLATORS NEEDED)
but no italian..yet

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by warriorsoul

Heres some old text i think its italian or something.

This is a species from the Eastern United States and should not i be in the International Forum.

The language is Latin, the language all descriptions of plant materials is written and studied in.
It is the original description for P. caerulipes, a mushroom which grows from late April through August in the East of the U.S.A. to Michigan, Southern Ontario, Ohio, Virginia and West Virgina, Pennsylvania and from South Carolina to north to Maine, along streams and river banks and sometimes in major cities in man made environments in public places.

Not to be confused with a macroscopically similar mushroom called Psilocybe oviodeocystidiata. Which also shares a similar habitat as P. caerulipes.

Your text is an exact word-for-word copy of a page I posted at the Shroomery which is most likely where you found this sentence.

It is from the journal:

Syll. Fungi. vol. 5:1051, 1887. and is but one of four species numbers 31-35 featured on page 1051.

A journal, by the way which is hard to find and is not generally available in many Universities, so you must have gotten it from the Shroomery post where I posted it last year and no where else.

If you want the taxonomic features described here than read Paul Stamets generic description off the Latin taxonomic discussion.

mjshroomer

Here is one page of a partial description of the species from Singer and Smith's Monograph of the Genus Psilocybe published in Mycologia vol. 50, 1958, I really right now do not have time to scan and post this article since this data is already published in Stamets' book,.

You can find that journal in many University libraries in the stacks, but a vast majority of his taxonomic descriptions were wrought with errors and several species were misidentified and just recently corrected.

[Hippie3]

it's the international forum because of language, mj,
not where it's found.

[warriorsoul]

I found it at a site called fungorum.
i typed it out myself because i couldnt copy it.

from what i know 99% of the bluefoot sightings have been ovoids.
its hard to even find a picture of real caerulipes.

bluefoot are more closely related to liberty caps
oviods are part of the stuntzii section right?

id love to see more pics of real caerulipes if you have any.

[the jesus]

warrior this post has links to the entire bluefoot saga here at Topia:

http://forums.mycotopia.net/mushroom...tml#post424580 (experiment -BlueFoot cakes (really Ps.Ovoideocystidata))

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by warriorsoul

I found it at a site called fungorum.

from what i know 99% of the bluefoot sightings have been ovoids.
its hard to even find a picture of real caerulipes.

bluefoot are more closely related to liberty caps

id love to see more pics of real caerulipes if you have any.

No blue foots have very little to do with liberty caps at all. While they are in the same stirps as liberty caps (stirps, semilanceatae), they are actually more closer to Psilocybe venenata from Japan.

Liberty caps are grass lovers, growing tall thin stems and moist elongated caps with striate margins onthe caps with their mycelia attached to the roots of wild grasses in fields and meadows and pasturelands while P. caerulipes grows in flood plains along streams and river banks with the mycelia attached to wood debris. And they can look similar to P. cyanecsens with caramel colored caps and blue green stems. Liberty caps usually hardly ever show any bluing reaction except in rare occasions

There are pictures in Paul Stamets' book, I have posted pictures here before, Alexander H. Smith's Field Guide to Eastern Mushrooms" has a photo. Smith and Hesler in 1938 reported them on the east coast and there are pictures of P. caerulipes at my site.

I have posted pictures before of P. caerulipes from Cleveland, Ohio

And the name Blue foot is from Gary Lincoff who names them blue foot in the Audubon field guide. Blue foots belong to the stirps section Semilanceatae.

You should study the keys for Psilocybe if you want to learn about them.

The name caerulipes refers to t e blue-green damage from oxidation, found in many Psilocybes

Currently I and colleagues have just obtained specimens form the I of Michigan for chemical analysis and comparison to P. ovoideocystidiata and for SEM Photography

mjshroomer

[warriorsoul]

thanks for the info
what i meant was as opposed to ovoid section stuntzii
bluefoot is from semilanceatae section
closer to psilocybe semilanceata than an ovoid

is there a link to the list of sections
and how the mushrooms are related within those sections?

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by warriorsoul

thanks for the info
what i meant was as opposed to ovoid section stuntzii
bluefoot is from semilanceatae section
closer to psilocybe semilanceata than an ovoid

is there a link to the list of sections
and how the mushrooms are related within those sections?

Guzman's, "The Genus Psilocybe (1983)".
Currently out of print and being revised.

Ebay. The book is several hundred dollars and up if found. New edition will be over $200.00 a copy next year.

Someone may have a PDF do0wnload but Guzman has already had several removed by the publisher who publishes scientific journals and does not allow the downloading of their properties.

You can look around on the internet for one but they are rare.

If you live in a major US city or elsewhere where there is a major university then you can read it in a reference room but cannot check it out. And hey make you leave your license pr credit card while viewing the book. A precaution since many mushroom books in many libraries have had page upon page excised form journals and books. Even the R. Gordon Wasson Life Magazine article has been cut form at least five schools around the Seattle area, pictures of shrooms ripped out of journals.

For example. One day Ig ot a phone call form a friend i here in Seattle. He was in the health Science Library at the University of Washington hospital in the U district in Seattle and was looking for my a paper on Hawaiian mushrooms in the journal of Ethnopharmacology.

Unfortunately, someone had razor-bladed the photos of the Hawaiian species from that issue my article was in.

Luckily I still had a few of the original reprints of that issue left from the publisher so I donated one copy to the University so that issue could be repaired.

Every French Article by Heim and Wasson were excised form four different French Scientific Journals, about thirty articles, thus leaving no one a chance to read the papers.

mjshroomer

[warriorsoul]

how can they have that info taken down?
dont we have a right to share this information for educational purposes?

have you notice how caerulipes was first described as a fall mushroom in the Audubon field guide?
its seems like the confusion with ovoids have changed its description.

the wiki on it is way off.

how much has the hording of info hurt research into these mushrooms?

[warriorsoul]

[warriorsoul]

Thanks for Singer's description mj.very helpful!

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by warriorsoul

how can they have that info taken down?
dont we have a right to share this information for educational purposes?

how much has the hording of info hurt research into these mushrooms?

First off the book is an issue of a very prestigious journal. There are certain copyright laws governing complete works. The book is available in many University libraries throughout the USA and the world, but also, people have stolen copies of them form the shelves, as noted in one of my other posts, whole articles have been excised from library journals on shelves.

When I first studied these mushrooms only Singer and Smith's monograph on Psilocybe and Leonard Enos field guide, copied from Singer and Smith's Line drawings from their monograph were available, as were numerous articles listed in the original Wasson's bibliogrpahy published by the Harvard Botanical Museum Leaflets journal.

I had to read and xerox at first at about 25 cents per page, finally down to a nickle a page and now most University copy machines are 15 cents and up a page.

So I spent a small fortune over the past thirty years, xeroxing over 2000 plus articles of the 2800 known ones written. Including the Spanish-language codices, some of which were in Nahautl and translated. I have articles in most languages of Europe, Asia and English.

If you cannot afford the book, then go to a library or interlibrary loan (credit card usually required) and then pay to copy the book. However, much of the info in the original is outdated, except the herbarium deposit numbers of all Psilocybes. It also covers those Psilocybe which are not psychoactive.

mjshroomer

have a shroomy day

[warriorsoul]

Originally Posted by mjshroomer

caerulipes, a mushroom which grows from late April through August in the East of the U.S.A.

This should be August through October for bluefoot.

The early descriptions also talk of the incurved margin
and irregular cap shapes.
and this key seems to be lacking in latter descriptions.

so there is more to it than an evanescent ring.
hopefuly with the samples i sent workman
we can start getting some answers.
so how many pictures are there online?
about a half dozen.
Thats pretty rare for a species that was named over 100 years ago.





I would love to see the rest of the 1958 description.

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by warriorsoul

This should be August through October for bluefoot.

The early descriptions also talk of the incurved margin
and irregular cap shapes.
and this key seems to be lacking in latter descriptions.

so there is more to it than an evanescent ring.
hopefuly with the samples i sent workman
we can start getting some answers.
so how many pictures are there online?
about a half dozen.
Thats pretty rare for a species that was named over 100 years ago.
I would love to see the rest of the 1958 description.

If you were to xerox the book in a school library it would cost about $66.00 for 440 pages which is how long the book is.

Again, you can read it at school for free.

The book on "Mushroom Poisoning: Diagnosis and Treatment" by Ruck and Salzman with a new co-author for the revised book is over $220.00 new.

Many books on scientific data are very expensive.

Two of the best books on Mushroom identification are by Hongos form Japan. The 2-vol. set is about $200.00.

Cost if printing and subject matter make a bid difference for such books.

An example of cost. A dentist pays a lot of money for school. The dental chair that you sit in for you work cost up to $400,000 to over $750,000 dollars. Takes him years to pay it off, but they pay back government loans faster than any other student.

Try not to be angry about learning costs. any education cost the person who is learning, one way or another.

Reading a page from someones description is not good if you do not understand what it is you are reading. That happened when I posted the original descriptions of P. ovoideocystidiata by people complaining that Dr. Guzmán did not know what he was doing,. That he had changed the name of P. caerulipes to P. ovoideocystidiata so he could just say he found and named a new species of magic shrooms. That came from someone who belonged to a local mycology club in the Midwest, with very little knowledge of mycology, who also believed that P. caerulipes and P. ovoideocystidiata were the same mushroom because he picked some mushrooms in the midwest.

See if you can find a copy of Alexander H. Smith's Field Guide to Eastern Mushrooms. I believe that was the first published photograph of P. caerulipes. I think that same vol. also was the first in the U.S.A. to publish a photo of P. cubensis.

I had a copy of the book but it was lost int he mail when I moved form Hawaii to the PNW.

I lost a few dozen good shroom ID books, large expensive ones and hundreds of photographs and negatives.

mjshroomer

[warriorsoul]

i got myself a copy of the genus psilocybe form another member..
u know who you are.. thanks!