IS THIS A Panaeolus cyanescens ? HUNGARY

[klasamentes]

can u regnognise it???

[Foster]

Hmmm, Dont think so, not sure what it is. Looks kinda large for a pan cyan. Did it blue? Foster

[waylitjim]

No, that's not a Pan cyan.
They grow from piles of manure in tropical climates.

[kocos]

There have been recorded findings of Panelous cyansence here in Hungary too, and we are far from being tropic. However they are extremly rare, only a few speciments have been found so far.
Regarding the pic though, like the ones before me said its not a P cyan.

[landsnorkler]

cyansescens have black spores, and grow from manure in tropical climates. Can't tell for sure what that is in your pic, but habitat, and white spores eliminates panaeolus cyanescens. It's probably an amanita of some kind. You probably won't find panaeolus cyanescens in greece. Panaeolus subbalteatus would be a better bet. Gooood luck!!!

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by klasamentes

can u regnognise it???

No it is not a Panaeolus at all. The last two are not either. I notice that the trees in the last two photos are pretty green. and the fallen leaves in the first and 2nd image still look fresh.

Since it is February I suppose you took to those images last fall

Unless you live in the southeast USA. I should mention that Panaeolus have jet Black spores and spore prints and that Copelandia cyanescens grow in fresh manure not decayed wood.


mjshroomer

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by kocos

There have been recorded findings of Panelous cyansence here in Hungary too, and we are far from being tropic. However they are extremly rare, only a few speciments have been found so far.
Regarding the pic though, like the ones before me said its not a P cyan.

Where is it recorded that Panaeolus cyanescens grow in Hungary. Can you cite a reference please?

mjshroomer

[landsnorkler]

for some reason now I'm thinking pluteus.

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by landsnorkler

for some reason now I'm thinking pluteus.

Pluteus have pink spores.

mjshroomer

[fedshtkpndrk]

Mycena Perhaps?

-feds

[kocos]

Mycena was my guess too!
Here is a refrence to Panelous cyansence found in Hungary.

Panaeolus (Copelandia) Cyanescens

Translation: All three names refer to the same specie: in some warmer climates Panelous are refered to as Copelandia.
Its a medium sized mushroom (5-10cm) although some related species in Thailand can exceed 20 cm in hight, Cap is 1-3 cm, spores are dark, black. Stem is 5-10 cm long and about 1.5-3mm thick. It can be found in pastures, well manured fields, sometimes growing directly from dung. The only recorded findings around the capital have been within the capital (pest) in parks. It is possible that it has since gone extinct.

The rest is about cuiltivation and alcaloid content. Ive seen refrence to it in a mushroom book covering field and pasture mushrooms. Promised Mj i would take a picture and post it. Will do next week.

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by kocos

Mycena was my guess too!
Here is a refrence to Panelous cyansence found in Hungary.

Panaeolus (Copelandia) Cyanescens

Translation: All three names refer to the same specie: in some warmer climates Panelous are refered to as Copelandia.
Its a medium sized mushroom (5-10cm) although some related species in Thailand can exceed 20 cm in hight, Cap is 1-3 cm, spores are dark, black. Stem is 5-10 cm long and about 1.5-3mm thick. It can be found in pastures, well manured fields, sometimes growing directly from dung. The only recorded findings around the capital have been within the capital (pest) in parks. It is possible that it has since gone extinct.

The rest is about cuiltivation and alcaloid content. Ive seen refrence to it in a mushroom book covering field and pasture mushrooms. Promised Mj i would take a picture and post it. Will do next week.

The image in the click on looks very much to be a home cultivated Copelandia cyanescens due to the fluffy white patches of mycelia on base part of the stem into the substrate.

They do not ever grow the mycelia like that in a natural habitat unless someone planted an indoor patch into an outdoor habitat and then they usually do not return the following year.

just my opinion

mjshroomer

[kocos]

It is Mj its obvious this is a cultivated group! The promised picture from the book however is taken in the wild and if iam not mistaken there are decidious tree leaves in the picture. Ill have it sometimes next week! By no means am i certain of their existance, infact iam quite sceptikal too, i was shocked to find it among the listed native mushrooms.

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by kocos

It is Mj its obvious this is a cultivated group! The promised picture from the book however is taken in the wild and if iam not mistaken there are decidious tree leaves in the picture. Ill have it sometimes next week! By no means am i certain of their existance, infact iam quite sceptikal too, i was shocked to find it among the listed native mushrooms.

I have photographs of mine in many European journals including one which publishes in Suisse, Belgium and Dutch. They have used images o f mine of Psilocybe cyanescens to represent species found t in those countries yet the images are from the PNW.

IT would really be a one time only appearance like the lawn of Copelandia bispora which appeared in Bern Switzerland from fertilizers imported from the south of France.

mjshroomer

[kocos]

So they can be found in the south of france? Dont forget that our summers can get baking hot, and we have had winters without a day of frost.

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by kocos

Mycena was my guess too!
Here is a refrence to Panelous cyansence found in Hungary.

Panaeolus (Copelandia) Cyanescens

It can be found in pastures, well manured fields, sometimes growing directly from dung. The only recorded findings around the capital have been within the capital (pest) in parks. It is possible that it has since gone extinct.

The rest is about cuiltivation and alcaloid content. Ive seen refrence to it in a mushroom book covering field and pasture mushrooms. Promised Mj i would take a picture and post it. Will do next week.

I would like o point out that Panaeolus (Copelandia) cyanescens always grows directly from and in dung, Very very rare ever in well manured fields or pasturelands. That would be virtually impossible. They need to be directly form dung, not manured dung and in tropical and subtropical climates. It is strictly a dung inhabiting species. 99.99999% are found only n dung. It is rare outside of sung and to be in a field in Hungary would be an error on the authors part who wrote the guide of identification book.

\mj

[Hippie3]

maybe there were clumps of dung in the field.

[kocos]

Going over to friends place tonight or tomorow night, ill have a picture of tha page latest monday. I have no intentions of doubting your experties as iam still a newbie, and like i said when i saw this specie listed in the book i was surprised to say the least.