Amanita Muscaria

[ExecutionStyle]

Once again I find myself looking to explore more entheogens. This time I'm leaning towards the Amanita Muscaria. It grows all around my home, so obtaining it would be no problem, unless there are other members of the Amanitas that have a similar deep red cap. I've heard there are several other types of Amanita (deadly) that have similar lighter colors. I obviously need to research the subject much more. Any tips or advice would help greatly.

I was told A. Muscaria allergies were pretty common. Can any one verify this?

Also, could someone recommend me a reliable, online, source of info on Amanita Muscaria consumption?
I've tried Erowid already. They don't have extensive info on the subject.

[drtask]

from my understanding amanita muscaria can be deadly in either the smallest or largest doses. it is a drug that is very dangerous and should be treated with great caution if you chose to ingest orally. im no expert, but i wouldnt recommend dosing a..m. until you (A) know you are picking the right one and (B) you have talked to the other topiates other than me

[ExecutionStyle]

dosing a..m. until you (A) know you are picking the right one and (B) you have talked to the other topiates other than me

I didn't plan on it.

...but with a little further research I've decided A. Muscaria probably wouldn't be worth the time spent gathering and preparing. I know many like A. Muscaria's effects, but there seem to be far more people who feel A. Muscaria is not all that good anyway.

Sorry for the hasty posting of this thread... I'll do a bit more research next time.

[drtask]

i've read and heard that a.m. is supposed to be the ultimate trip, as in either you trip and think you're gonna die, or you trip and you do die. it is supposed to be the most ultimate spiritual experience, but the risks involved at achieving something of that nature are just unadequate, imo.

[max]

>from my understanding amanita muscaria can be deadly in either the smallest or largest doses

This is false information. A. muscaria is NOT one of the deadly amanita's. It provides a high that is nothing like a psilo high and is not generally regarded as being 'fun'. There are many places on the internet that sell dried amanita. We used to sell it at the SporeLab and never had one complaint.

[Toads tool]

Amanitas give you a totally different trip than any other drug out there. It's an all consuming experience. You can taste, smell, feel, and i swear see and hear it. But not in a real cool or pleasant way.
It left me with an almost violated dirty feeling.

I can see where if someone didn't have access to any other drug that Amanitas could fill in the void, but most any other drug experience is far better than A M..

Another aspect of A. M. that is unpleasurable is the fact that you have to take enough to get off or you get nada, chemical threashold. This can set anyone up for overdosing- real hard/bad trip, or nothing.

The wierdest part of an A M trip is in the middle of your trip you will just snap out of it and will be straight as a arrow for 10 to 15 min. at a time. This can lead a novice into redosing and overdosing also.

There are too many Amanitas out there that are poisonous to just pick some without extensive research. Although the "red ones" are supposed to be good, I'd still be wary. If you must try some, purchase them online from a reputable supplier.

I sat on two doses for over a year because I didn't want to re-experience them ever again (that whole real hard/bad trip thing) and had no friends that wanted to either, finally throwing them out.

[TheMadCapLaughed]

i ate 3.5 grams of a huge amanita cap(dried,washington state), along with a friend who also ate 3.5 grams, and we both felt nothing at all

[sinfuldreams]

<< Another aspect of A. M. that is unpleasurable is the fact that you have to take enough to get off or you get nada, chemical threashold. This can set anyone up for overdosing- real hard/bad trip, or nothing. >>>

I would pick the smaller A.Ms and eat fresh in the woods.... Mabe only 1/4 of a small 3 inch cap. You feel it, but don't " Trip " it's like drinking a few shots of Whiskey..

<< The wierdest part of an A M trip is in the middle of your trip you will just snap out of it and will be straight as a arrow for 10 to 15 min. at a time. This can lead a novice into redosing and overdosing also. >>

Never had that happen once it starts it takes hold and won't give loosen the grip for hours. Dosing is hard... you don't know how much you need, as you have never done them before. However that may depend on how large or small your dose was. Fresh or dried, or like we did, concentrate.

Not sure what an Over Dose of AM would be... I did a shot glass of Concentrate that sent me off for at least 8 hours perhaps 10. It's not a PARTY drug thats for sure.
It is NOT FUN.. but it is Enlighing provided you don't freak and seek Medical Help.

I always did them fresh, not sure about dried.

I didn't like the "Trip" haven't done them in Years, but will again sometime.

Don't do these untill you understand what this is. It won't kill you.. but you sure as hell think you will die. I never had a BAD Trip so to speak... just very very ummmm Hard.

Definitely this gave me the TRUEST trip ever. Disassociate from your self, I saw Pixies and felt like a A.M. and I was a Ancient Pine Tree, I saw things.

<< ...but with a little further research I've decided A. Muscaria probably wouldn't be worth the time spent gathering and preparing. I know many like A. Muscaria's effects, but there seem to be far more people who feel A. Muscaria is not all that good anyway.>>>

LOL, I guess it depends on what Good is. If becomming a tree, or a shroom, if seeing Gnomes and 360* views is not all that good I'd Agree. It's not WEAK, it's not Lame if thats the idea you got. But yeah it's not a FUN time.

<< i've read and heard that a.m. is supposed to be the ultimate trip, as in either you trip and think you're gonna die, or you trip and you do die. it is supposed to be the most ultimate spiritual experience, but the risks involved at achieving something of that nature are just unadequate, imo.>>

You wont die, it sure was the Ultimate experience as far as shrooms go anyway.

<< I was told A. Muscaria allergies were pretty common. Can any one verify this? >>

I've never heard that.. but I guess it's possible.

[max]

Allergies? Never heard of it...BUT...they usually do make you puke. Then again, so does mescaline and alchohol if you drink too much. It's not an allergy, it's a normal reaction from your body. But if you heat and dry them properly, the chemical which mostly makes you sick turns into the chemical which gets you high. Potency from mushroom to mushroom can vary as does the effect on each individual. Usually about 7 grams dried is a dose.

"Muscarine, discovered in 1869, was long thought to be the active hallucinogenic agent in A. muscaria until late 1960s, when scientists recognized it as ibotenic acid and muscimol. Some users cook the mushroom before ingestion, because it is said that the ibotenic acid turns into muscimol under this heat. This suposedly removes several unpleasant side effects due to the conversion of the much more toxic ibotenic acid into muscimol."

"If a fly agaric is eaten, it is usually not fresh, but in its sun-dried form, where the hallucinogenic chemicals are more concentrated (ibotenic acid converted to the more stable and far less poisonous muscimol)"

[the_chosen_one]

http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=5205 (Amanita Muscaria: one seeker's observations [merged])

Here's another thread from the new vaults that may provide a little more insight on this controversial shroom.

[gamereaper]

>I was told A. Muscaria allergies were pretty common. Can any one verify this?<

well they are around my area...hundreds of them, beautiful site though

[aumbrellaforainydays]

do you have any other fungal allergies? if its just ordinary indoor fungi allergies (fixable with a hepa filtration) then i believe those and being allergic to muscaria will have different reactions. one way is to start really small, take .5 gr. wait, if nothing take 1 gr, wait, then continue in gram increments until you get to 15 g's, which is probably the "average dose", dry that is. personally i wasnt allergic, its really about subjecting yourself to the risk in minute amounts until you know it aint going to harm you signficantly. a cost/benefit analysis should be approached, assuming the goal is to have the experience without having any negative side effects.

i like how this thread developed quickly to the fears surrounding amanita's, and that itself is testament to how cautious one should be concerning wild gathering of them. if you do find them, they can easily be identified by a good pic and a spore print.

above, max provided some useful insights about this mushroom too. i have been wary of the fresh ones. in fact that maybe why some people have reactions to them, because the psychoactive agent in fresh ones havent been converted to a more stabilized form. they do taste better cooked. i was thinking of roasting them like marshmellows over an open fire dipped in special sauce.

[NEPHROSIS]

I've taken amanitas twice and had 1 good experience. The second one was 15x and 5g cap but I didn't get an effect from it.

1st time was with 10g, powdered - put into hot water for around 15 min and then dumped into oatmeal.

And I had a great experience. I don't know why so many ppl hate it...my time with amanitas was awesome. I was in a sort of meditative state for the first 2 hours and after maybe 1 hour, with my eyes closed, I had soooo many images popping into my head. It was odd...

I remember I watched Sacred Weeds and 1 guy explained that taking amanitas is like watching a computer slideshow, perfect explanation.

Every second a new image would come..completely random. Some of them made me lol. Too bad I'm not much of an artist...some of the images were insanely cool. I'd like to explore with them again..I've read preparation makes a big difference in the trip. I'll try to make a tea and boil/keep water hot with the amanitas for like 2 hours next time.

Also...I fasted before I took them, that might've prevented nausea.

As for ID - amanita muscaria is easy to identify, what described is most probably amanita. If it's different colors like yellow, brown, orange, etc it could be a different type of amanita.

[rayzr]

Alright who ever said that A. muscaria is not poisonous is
seriously wrong. It contains muscarine.. it is however possible
to chew them or eat in very small quantity's just be very
careful because...

this could happen : " sever abdominal pains, vomitting, cold sweats, diarrhea and excessive thirst. After persisting for some time the symptoms usually subside for a while and the recur more intensly; the liver is affected as well as the nervous system. There may be delirium, deep coma, and finally death. The patient suffers great pain." -- edible and poisonous mushrooms of Canada by Agriculture Canada.

[teesus]

muscarin was only found in traces, so its not a big issue. it was first discovered in A. muscaria, that is why its called muscarin. the main alkaloid is iboten acid, which converts to muscamol while heat drying. this is the active compound. iboten acid is active itself, but not very strong and not easily absorbt by the body

[BuckarooBanzai]

Yes, muscarine is toxic in sufficient doses. So are oxygen and water, by the way.

Amanita muscarina is not at all toxically dangerous in doses less than 100gm dry (though you would wish you were dead at that level).

In the entire length and breadth of the literature, there are two documented deaths directly attributable to A. muscarina. One was a very small child and one was an adult - both of them ate an assinine amount.

Amanita phalloides (the death cap or destroying angel) is, statistically speaking, the most toxic mushroom on the planet. It has killed literally thousands of people.

The Amanita genus is huge and contains many hundreds of official (and many hundreds more yet unclassified) members.

Only a blind man could mistake A. muscarina for A. phalloides, however. One is snow white, the other bright red with white spots.

A. muscarina is one of the safest of all mushrooms for the neophyte to wild gather - nothing else looks remotely like them. There is only one bright red cap with white spots in the woods on planet Earth.

I have been eating A. muscarina regularly for over 10 years. I have been called weirder than bicycle shorts on a goat, but I ain't dead yet.

Here is a ridiculous amount of info I typed up about my personal experiences with A. muscarina:
http://forums.mycotopia.net/misc-ent...-merged-2.html (Amanita Muscaria: one seeker's observations [merged])

[aumbrellaforainydays]

if you see the "Fly Agaric" in the woods, that means that other edibles will be fruiting too!! i heard that the skin of a cap would be pealed and eaten with the same effect.

[teesus]

i read that the red skin and the orange flesh under the skin have the strongest conzentration of alcaloids. in the same book was stated the mushrooms are considered edibles in some reagions with those parts removed.

[rayzr]

Does anyone know if you can eat them raw.? its late night and i don't wanna wake my parents up i have about an ounce of A. gemmata.

[Lookyhere]

Gemmatas are quite a bit stronger than muscarias. I would make a tea if I were you. I have eaten them dried so yes you can eat them raw. Again, be forwarned, they are stronger than muscarias. Muscarias you need 14 grams or better (dried). 14 grams of fresh muscarias won't do jack.

[BuckarooBanzai]

Never eaten a gemmata and doubt I would.

They are far too easy to confuse with any number of toxic mushrooms.

A. muscaria eaten fresh will make you sick. They must be dried before they become properly active.

14g of dried A. muscaria is a big dose.

[Lookyhere]

Still trying to figure out what strain it was that I had. It was either Gemmata or a variation of Panther. You were tripping balls with 2 grams dry.

[BuckarooBanzai]

Probably a panther.

Those fuckers are dangerous.

[Lookyhere]

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

Probably a panther.

Those fuckers are dangerous.

I was 100% convinced that they were panthers. My field guide showed me that they were without a doubt. On the internet since then I have found a ton of pictures of "panthers", half of them look identical to what I had, the other half look way different (dark brownish almost purplish). The ones I had were off white, maybe a hint of yellow or tan. Then when dried the caps looked like gold. Warrior pointed out that true panthers only grow in Europe (my field guide and 3 or 4 other books said they grew in Colorado), which has now made me confused. These things were soooo effin strong.

[rayzr]

Alright well i ate those gemmata just find and i was tripping balls.. at one point i went upstairs to fetch a glass of water and i came back down and saw myself on the computer. i ate them raw to. i felt a little bit of nausea but nothing to bad within the first 30 minutes. i had about 4-5 grams in total. in the span of an hour. A very sweet trip tho your mind runs wild in the dark on them. something i'd definitly do again.

[PsyBearknot]

I have had a couple times when I never felt anything and it was me just grinding dry and eating it in something.

The other couple times I have experienced it was with the following method.

Both times during the experience I felt very compelled with the need to run and tell everyone what I learned after I came down. I call this the "Go tell it on the mountain" symptom. Later feeling disappointed that I really could not remember all of the fine points i needed to speak about.

The last time I had an experience I miscalculated my dose. After to realise that I consumed around 18-19 grams. it split my mind into Me, Myself, and I. Each of us had a 3 letter word that we were trying to connect. The last 2 letters of the word "ME" had were the first 2 letters of the word that "MYSELF" had. The last 2 letters of the word "MYSELF" had was the first 2 letters "I" had, and the last 2 letters of the word "I" had was the first 2 letters of the word "ME" had.

My experience lasted a good several hours with each one of us trying to manipulate the Me, Myself and I until all of them let go of their control of themself and the other two and the word popped into place for all three of us. We then had to add our words together on the vertical, horizontal and diagonal lines. Again the control struggle of the three played out till all at once the collective realised we were trying to do this 2d and need to be added 3d. The 3 succeeded in adding the words together and then abruptly my experience stopped and I came back to base line.

I cannot say fun was a word with Amanita I will ever use to describe it.
Insightful, yes defiantly….Mind fuck more like it, but an insightful mind fuck at that


Just Keep in mind
Ibotenic Acid = fresh Amanita – not so good - nausea, vomiting, sweats like you would not believe
Muscimol = dried Amanita and that’s what you want.
If you found the Amanita from a vendor suggested here I think you should be confident in the way the Amanita was dried.

If you pick them fresh, use food dehydrator and dry them. I have been told it is best if you then let them cure for 3 months. I have never had the chance to pick the fresh.

Carbonated beverages = BAD
Carbonation converts the dried Musicmol back to Ibotenic Acid and that = bad
Not before, Not during, Not after!

I have been given this advice in a general rule of thumb
It has been stated that generally speaking 1 mg of Muscimol to 1 gram of Dried Amanita. We all know the variation in product and quality issue.

I have read it takes some time for the Amanita and the body to react to each other, may not happen the first time or so.

Range for most people based on a 200 lb person is 3.5 – 10 gram of dried Amanita (1/8th to 3/8th of and oz)

DON’T BE A HERO! Work with Amanita and know its power before it tells you what your limits are

The body has a hard time digesting this Food that Amanita is providing for you. The smaller the pieces the easier to digest

An empty stomach does not aid in digestion

A small snack right before seems to aid in digestion

My fav prep is to make Lemonade

Heat 2-3 cups of water to a boil and turn off the heat
Add a good quantity of quality honey, you want to make it pretty sweet I like the flavor of an orange honey
Stir to dissolve honey
Let stand till it has cooled down and pour into a jar. Make sure it is cool before you poor you don’t want to crack your jar.
Put this into the fridge until it is good and cold.
While the honey water is cooling down
Weigh out your Amanitas
Grind them good but not too fine, you want to be able to strain out the Amanitas. I likes to do this by hand. it’s the personal touch with the Amanitas is important in starting the connection.
Put the ground Amanitas into another jar that will be able to hold the Amanitas and the 2 cups of water with a little room to expand.
Squeeze 1 whole lemon over the ground Amanita and use a spoon to mix so all the ground Amanitas are wet. Acidic good for extraction. Cap this jar and place it in the fridge with the honey water.
When the Honey water is good and cold pour it on top of the ground Amanita, cap and shake well. You will see the water start to turn a beautiful amber-ish color.
Leave the Amanitas to soak in the lemonade for a good 6 to 8 hours in the fridge. Error on the side of longer that shorter. If you can shake your lemonade every hour or so, but have had no problem in just letting it set. Just make sure it’s good and mixed up first. The Amanita will sit at the top of your lemonade jar.
After the lengthy soak, filter into a glass through a fine strainer. You want to get as much of the Amanita out of your lemonade. I usually filters through a cheese cloth or t-shirt and rings all of the liquid out of the amanitas. Take a sip and if needed you might add a little lime juice to enhance the flavor of the lemonade.
Sit back and drink 1/2 of lemonade. If you can swirl around in your mouth and let it sit for a few before swallowing. 45 to 1 hour later finish off your lemonade. You may not like the taste. Think Malted Mushroom Lemonade. A reason I tend to make the lemonade strong. As with a lot of these extracted brews some people feel embracing the flavor is part of the experience.
If this is not enough the first time add ½ the next time. If you start out with 4 grams of Amanitas then add 2 grams but never go over 14 grams. Your heading into Hero’s territory and that is not necessarily a wise thing with the Amanita.
Get some good sleep before you work with Amanitas. They have some very sedating properties and there is no stranger experience then to dose off waiting to experience and wake up to a full on experience.


f find that some light ambient music and an offering of incense at the beginning helps set my mood however sounds and smells are a amplified and I find it overwhelming and move to the comfort of my bedroom when things are getting intense. Stay away from T.V. not a good vibe.
Respect the spiritual teacher or it can show you mental hell…..

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Yea i tried a. muscaria twice, and both times nothing happened. I did like a half ounce too. Would anyone know any good vendors selling either gammeta or pantherina that may have good results?