Amanita cultivation question

[aumbrellaforainydays]

Since the "fly agaric" is a mycorrhiza mushroom connected to tree roots and not a dung lover, indoor cultivation of amanita muscaria would be near impossible, right? i heard that in order to successfully cultivate it you need a plant or seed nearby to which the amanita can leech from, if so what kind of plants would an amanita like to grow near?

[fungalsporesolution]

amanita is poisonous

not worth the trip imo

mabye as a one time exp

but prolonged use WILL kill you

[Gamera]

Usually pine trees or other conifers.

[aumbrellaforainydays]

actually fly agaric is quite safe in moderate amounts, i know that their are VERY DEADLY POISIONOUS amanitas out there but im lookin to start from print and experiment with the almost impossible cultivation of this sacred shroom.

[Gamera]

Depending on where you live they are usually not hard to find. They are easy to spot and usually dead simple to identify. And they are really stunningly beutiful in the wild.

[BuckarooBanzai]

Originally Posted by fungalsporesolution

amanita is poisonous

not worth the trip imo

mabye as a one time exp

but prolonged use WILL kill you

That is absolutely false.

I have been using Amanitas pretty regularly for many years. I ain't dead yet.

And cultivating them indoors has never been done successfully (to my knowledge).

[fungalsporesolution]

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

That is absolutely false.

I have been using Amanitas pretty regularly for many years. I ain't dead yet.

And cultivating them indoors has never been done successfully (to my knowledge).

well it all depends on the amanita

muscimol in itself is poisonous

im just saying i wouldnt touch it

[max]

Lots of people use amanita's, no more dangerous than alcohol.

Try direct root innoculation, you might see something in a few years. Really, trying to grow mycorhizial mushrooms is a waste of time....

[fungalsporesolution]

Originally Posted by captainmax

Lots of people use amanita's, no more dangerous than alcohol.

Try direct root innoculation, you might see something in a few years. Really, trying to grow mycorhizial mushrooms is a waste of time....

which is why I don't touch alchohol either

[mycobri]

they are a beautiful mushroom to find in the wild.

Originally Posted by aumbrellaforainydays

what kind of plants would an amanita like to grow near?

common habitats: birch, pine, spruce and fir

fungalsporesolution: amanita is poisonous
not worth the trip imo

amanita is said to be an uplifting tonic in very small doses.

[aumbrellaforainydays]

okay, i guess i'll just stick to finding them in forests, although i think their season is either already gone or fast ending with cold and snows already around down here.

[Workman]

I'm going to "waste" some of my time with some invitro attempts this Fall. The mycelium grows well on PDYA and I have done enough research to see that it isn't entirely hopeless. It seems unlikely that even if I am successful that the production would amount to more than just a few tiny mushrooms.

[the_chosen_one]

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

That is absolutely false.
I have been using Amanitas pretty regularly for many years. I ain't dead yet.

Lol, amanitas used me for years...still kickin'

[BuckarooBanzai]

Originally Posted by Workman

I'm going to "waste" some of my time with some invitro attempts this Fall. The mycelium grows well on PDYA and I have done enough research to see that it isn't entirely hopeless. It seems unlikely that even if I am successful that the production would amount to more than just a few tiny mushrooms.

Workman, I would love to see/read about you "wasting" some time on Amanitas. Everything is impossible until somebody figures out how to do it...

[alpiner]

many of these species need certain conditions that can be mimiced pretty easily just finding the key is the bitch
the more I read the more I realize how much is not really understood about mycorrhizial species
if only I could find the key I would be a millionaire but of course I would licence it to mycotopia members free of charge

[nomoreusmc]

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

That is absolutely false.

I have been using Amanitas pretty regularly for many years. I ain't dead yet.

And cultivating them indoors has never been done successfully (to my knowledge).

Man speaks the truth, I won't ever do them again but BB like to abuse himself

[SharkieJones]

I got to see a whole shitload of Amanita this year for the 1st time, they were gorgeous.
http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthre...identification (Help with Identification Please)

[max]

Actually, it would be very difficult to 'mimic the conditions needed for growth'. Mimicing the weather conditions wouldn't be hard but being mycorrhizal, these mushrooms form a symbiotic realtionship with the tree's around them and they supply the tree with nutrients in exchange for carbohydrates and amino acids. I'm not really sure if maybe some mycorrhizal species might be actually easier to grow then others but in the case of Tricholoma magnivalare, the valuable Pine Mushroom, it has resisted all attempts despite thousands by top scientists in Asia, etc. Direct root innoculation has proven to be the only success so far. There would be millions of dollars for anyone figuring it out as most of the world's best edible mushrooms fall into this category. I don't want to discourage anybody, just let you know what you are up against... I'd start with Amanita velosa, supposed to be edible and incredible and maybe figure out how to supply it with the carbohydrates and amino acids it would normally get from a host tree.

[motograter]

I wish you both the best of luck with this project. I had a few failed attepmts with A.M. grows, though I'm still pretty new at this. Less than a year of experience. Workman, and aumbrella, keep us posted, and good luck!

[Sky Rayven]

Amanitas can be purchased for roughly 20 bux an ounce.

Making them less poisonous is in the preparation. They have to be slow cooked for an hour. I love them. Sooo Relaxing and great hypnogogic dreamlike states. Depending on how much you take.

I don't take them all the time tho. I don't think they would be special then.

2 cents from Sky

[iamsmiley]

if nature can do it we can do it,we just need to find out what nature knows that we don't.

[aumbrellaforainydays]

Originally Posted by captainmax

Actually, it would be very difficult to 'mimic the conditions needed for growth'. Mimicing the weather conditions wouldn't be hard but being mycorrhizal... I'd start with Amanita velosa, supposed to be edible and incredible and maybe figure out how to supply it with the carbohydrates and amino acids it would normally get from a host tree.

nature knows a lot more than we think. i am now quite skeptical of growing amanitas indoors, being that i dont have a suitable host plant that is anything like a birch, pine, spruce and fir root system. although finding a tree outdoors or in your yard, removing some soil and direct root innoculating sounds like the easiest way to do it. it would just be waiting for the amanitas to pop up if at all.

[Workman]

I have no intention of trying to duplicate natural conditions or grow with a seed plant. In my experience, there is a great deal of variability in the fruitability of every species. What I plan to do is to just clone a bunch of muscaria strains and hope one will cooperate in the lab. If it only produces a small mishapen mushroom on agar, it is still progress. From there, selective breeding should result in incrementally improved cultures. With a great deal of luck, an easy to fruit strain of muscaria could result.

[aumbrellaforainydays]

best of luck on the agar method. hopefully one of the good strains can be successfully cloned. should we expect Workman muscaria syringes anytime soon?

[Mortandello]

i lost 4 years triyng to make that damm amanita micelya to fruit and nothing. i have all documented (in portuguese) with notes and all.
ALL you can imagine i tried and nothing make that dam micleia to fruit
yopu can make cakes using coco coir+ pinnus leafs composted, the micelyum grows and all for months and months (4 ou more at 11C) and try any techiniches and that DAMM micelium didn fruit.
i gave up from trying for 6 months and i put all my thoughts on cubbies now.
amanitas are for outdoors.

[aumbrellaforainydays]

one question Mortandello (is it pronounced 'more-tan-dayo')? but is that amanita you have as you pic produced on that cake of yours inside?

[Workman]

Hehe, it looks more like a color altered cubensis.

I think the wrong tactic here is trying everything under the sun with one or a few strains. If you have a reluctant strain in the first place, all the effort in the world won't help. It is still a long shot, but it won't take much additional effort to clone some strains on a complex media and see what happens over time.

[Pedestrian]

Glad to hear that you're going to be working with the amanitas Workman and you have my support! You're persistence is inspirational.

If you have time to keep us posted on your progress with it please do... I would love to follow it.

[Bobcat]

I had thought about this. My idea was to create a bottom layer of grain or pf sub in a jar. Then do another layer of rich soil or compost. Sterilize, cool and inoculate in a manner where the spores definitely reach the bottom. Then drop a seed in that has been h202 washed. Germinate and allow to grow. When the substrate is fully colonized it would be removed to a fruiting chamber. Perhaps an airport could be used until birthing for gas exchange? May not be necessary, though, because the mycelium and plant will create each other's gasses.

From there these these plants could be transplanted or an indoor attempt could be made. I've wondered if myco species need more than just a plant to fruit. I mean, woodlovers 'need' other organisms so perhaps myco species do too.

I don't know if this would work with Am but morels have been known to form a relationship with bamboo. Imagine creating a sturdy plant/myco relationship and then planting it. Then the bamboo plant would start running everywhere. A fargesia variety that was started by seed could be a clump that is 8 feet in diameter in only 3 or 4 years. Fargesia is a clumper. Others will keep running forever! THATS what I would call expansion!

But workman has a better idea.

[Workman]

There is a chance, perhaps a better chance, to succeed if you use a compatable seed plant in your experiments, but it would be so time consuming to keep up production that it doesn't seem worthwhile to me. I'd prefer a simpler method. I am going to stick with the plant-less experiments and hope for the best. I just need to collect some good germplasm this Fall.

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by fungalsporesolution

which is why I don't touch alchohol either

that,
and you're only 18

[reefer]