mushrooms and music...wtf?:D

[JohnDoe]

i've seen long ago an episode of the mythbusters,in which they tried to figure it out whether the music influence the growth of the plants. and yes it does
as i remember there were 4-5plants and they played different kind of music to them and to others angry shouting,screaming(like "i'll kill you" "I hate you" and so on).
the rocker plants shown the best growth, after them, the plants hearing classical music...etc
so the question is given...does music influence the growth of the shrooms?

[Hippie3]

does music influence the growth of the shrooms?

only if you really believe that it does.

[EsotericLucidity]

Check out Dr. Emoto's work. It is amazing how music influences water. I play classical music, and I am about to start my first mushroom cultivation. I was thinking about doing that a few weeks ago.

[JohnDoe]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

only if you really believe that it does.

im not serious about this, just kidding
otherwise i should buy a 5.1 sound system into my fridge

[Hippie3]

Dr. Emoto is a quack.
He has never provided any scientific
nor even any credible evidence
that the magical powers he ascribes to water are true.
Not one science lab (besides people who already believe his theories)
has ever been able to replicate his results.
his other bizarre 'theories' pretty clearly show
that Emoto is more a cult leader than a scientist.

[EsotericLucidity]

lol. Thanks for the correction Hippie. I knew it was his work when I saw it in the movie "What the Bleep Do We Know" becasue I had been told about it. I never researched it any further.
Dr. Emoto aside, there have been some experiments conducted on plants and cells of the body that totally baffle scientist.
Sir Jagdish Chandra Bose used a polygraph machine on plants and claims to have gotten stunning results. There have been similar experiments to this one. Plants would be effected by music imo.
I think plants are a lot more complicated than we know.

[Hippie3]

do you know what a polygraph measures ?

[EsotericLucidity]

Because a polygraph can measure electrical resistance, and water would alter the resistance of the leaf, he decided that this was the correct instrument to use.

[Hippie3]

hmm, wiki does not say anything about a polygraph,
and given the time period he lived in
i rather doubt they even existed yet.

[EsotericLucidity]

Bose died in 1937.

A device recording both blood-pressure and galvanic skin response was invented in 1920 by Dr. John A. Larson.

I love wiki! lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph

[Hippie3]

well then why doesn't wiki mention that your fellow used a polygraph ?
since he's been dead 70 years
one wonders where is the follow-up ?
got anything from say,
this century ?

[EsotericLucidity]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_p...n_(paranormal))

[Hippie3]

gimme a break..i meant scientific evidence.

[EsotericLucidity]

It's probably not something many scientist are interested in. Wikipedia isn't ran by scientist so it's not like you can take everything there for gold anyway. I am more interested in theories than science, and I found the 'research' part of this fascinating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_p...n_(paranormal))

[Hippie3]

It's probably not something many scientist are interested in.

says who ?
i rather doubt that assertion-
farming is big money business
and there are many labs studying plants
looking for ways to boost growth, yield, etc.
if this bullshit really worked
people would be using it.
after all
it's not like people haven't tried this
playing music for plants, cows- you name it-
several thousand times.
yet there is no evidence of any significant results.
so in truth
we end up back at my initial comment-
it only works
if you already really believe that it does.

[EsotericLucidity]

I think some botanist would agree that music effects plants. I guess we will not know until there is 'scientific evidence'. Even scientist know that nothing is fact. I can prove that 1 doesnt = 1, but people still believe it. Everything is theory. I think, whatever you believe, effects your own reality.

[Hippie3]

just meaningless dodging,
plz try to be coherent, focus .
1 = 1.
now
we're all open-minded
and if someone, anyone, could actually say
for example,
playing Mozart causes cannabis to grow 15% faster
well we'd check it out
and if it worked for us
we'd all be playing fucking mozart to our plants.
but the simple truth is
you can't do that.
you can't give us one solid useful fact
that would improve our crops by playing music.
we all wish you could.
it'd be a nicer world if it were true.
but it isn't.

[EsotericLucidity]

Nothing is fact. That is the most coherent thing said so far. Just because there is no scientific evidence proving music effects plants, doesn't mean it's disproven. I doubt anything will make a plant grow 15% faster, but noone knows if music effects plants. Music is emotional, and who is to say that emotions do not effect plants?!

[godchair]

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[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by godchair

Hippie~

quantum physics has not proved that, as you say,
anything is possible.
you twist what physics teaches,
applying what does not apply
like some baptist preacher with his bible.

also i don't allow fools to address me in such fashion.
i'll naysay as much as i damn well please
and it will be you
keeping your mouth shut.

[EsotericLucidity]

lol

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by EsotericLucidity

Nothing is fact. That is the most coherent thing said so far. Just because there is no scientific evidence proving music effects plants, doesn't mean it's disproven. I doubt anything will make a plant grow 15% faster, but noone knows if music effects plants. Music is emotional, and who is to say that emotions do not effect plants?!

it's just a bullshit way of avoiding the facts-
you can't bring any science or logic to bear on the matter
so you deny the very existence of truth itself.

in your world science and truth don't matter,
more important to indulge your fantasies.

and if you want to believe that playing Mozart
makes your shrooms/plants feel the emotion of 'happiness'-
well, that's still your right,
you certainly aren't the only delusional strolling around.

but
and here's the relevant part
here we teach science and factual truth
so unless you have some evidence
plz keep the bullshit off my boards.

[EsotericLucidity]

Science can't go HALF the distance psychedelics can take you, and half the time you can't rationalize what you're experiencing. Many of the smartest scientist (not to mention tribes) have known psychedelics were teachers. Francis Crick admitted to being on LSD when he discovered the double helix!
I am saying, science still can't see a fraction of WHAT IS. I am going to college for music, not this, so the best I can do is gather plausibe theories until someone goes and proves it to the world. I don't beileve every theory that I know about, but this one in particular seems plausible to me and probably lots of others reading about it.
So are theories not allowed on mycotopia.net? Theories go hand in hand with psychoactive drugs ya know?

[Hippie3]

trpiping on drugs is fun
but all those thoughts going thru your head
it ain't real, man.
don't ever forget that.

drugs wear off,
reality does not.

tripping on drugs
has not one damn thing to do
with the question of
does music have any benefits on plants.

again you are dodging this issue
trying to change the subject
make it bigger more confusing than it is-
stick to the point.

to reiterate
the question / topic of this thread is

does music influence the growth of the shrooms?

if you have an answer to that question,
one that can withstand critical thought and critique-
based on observable evidence
then i'm all ears.
if all you got
is links to some crackpot cult guru
and a 'belief' in quantum physics
then save it for elsewhere.

[EsotericLucidity]

When Francis Crick saw the double helix in a vision, do you think he could pull your rationalization out of his ass? I doubt it. There are other accounts of scientist and botanist tripping, and being invited into a molecular level.
Sometimes the thoughts and visions are somewhat real....other times it is your open 'gateway' to creativity. I can't prove that either, but I don't feel a need to...like I said, I don't want to go to college for that.
Do you think Plant Shamanism is total bullshit?
Are plausible theories not allowed on this site???

You obviously have no intuition, but we need skeptics!

[Hippie3]

yes, i think shamanism, in general, is pure bullshit.
and you are still
off the topic
despite my last warning
so i'll repeat it
one last time-

the question / topic of this thread is
Quote:
does music influence the growth of the shrooms?
if you have an answer to that question,
one that can withstand critical thought and critique-
based on observable evidence
then i'm all ears.
if all you got
is links to some crackpot cult guru
and a 'belief' in quantum physics
then save it for elsewhere.

[Doctor D]

Originally Posted by EsotericLucidity

Are plausible theories not allowed on this site???

You don't seem to understand what a plausible theory is. A theory is not just a clever idea, but a tested hypothesis based on proven facts.

Please read the wiki page on the scientific method. Hippie is the one asking you for the plausible theory, and so far all you've come up with is obfuscation.

[Hippie3]

[peek-a-boo]

there are times for science.
there are times for faith.

there will be a time when we will need them both.
working together.

[GNBrews]

Do some people spend thousands of dollars on cryogenically treated audio interconnects? Sure. Do those cables really "sound" any different from a pair of decently mfg. wire? Probably not...the electrons don't care. Do the buyers of those high-end cables hear a difference? Absolutely. Why? Because listening to music is a *subjective* experience, as is reality, and many factors play into our perception of the world around us. If the process of buying and installing those cables made the listener emotional in anticipation of the experience, and that person subconsciously thinks about that emotion and those cables every time they sit down for a listen, they *will* hear a difference.

If someone cares for the life that they're nurturing and plays music for it out of that love, is it possible that person will have a different experience later? Absolutely. As Hippie already said, "only if you really believe that it does". Is it any less "real" of a effect, when 'set and setting' are already such important factors?

Now, does playing music for plants or fungi have any perceptible effect on alkaloid concentration or general vitality? Probably not...I've never read any journal articles to support that claim. Is it possible that even though neither of them have a specialized organ akin to our eardrum, that they might still "hear" (feel) the rhythmic vibration of air? Sure.


EDIT: Two Korean scientists have identified sound-responsive genes in