Too Much Bruising?

mycobrain · 06-05-08, 15:25

As my fruits are drying out they are bruising very badly. most of the caps turn completely blue along with the majority of the stems. Is this intense bruising a bad thing? Will there be loss in potency? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance

golly · 06-05-08, 15:39

You need to speed up the drying process to reduce the bluing and yeah - it's not a good sighn but should still be partially active at least...

mycobrain · 06-05-08, 16:46

Thanks. Im working on a faster drying method. Don't have much to use tho

golly · 06-05-08, 16:58

Any kind of fan will dry them most of the way..If the room is humid then you would need
some dessicant to finish them up for storage..
If you can't do that ,then you can store mostly dry shrooms in the fridge in a paper bag and they will gradually dry down further..

mycobrain · 06-05-08, 17:03

i have a fan blowing into a jar that has two packets of silica gel (the ones from shoes) at the bottom. I only have 5 or 6 fruits in there so i'm hoping it will do the trick. Thanks for all the help

golly · 06-05-08, 17:46

That won't help i'm afraid..The silica would have to be in a sealed container to have any effect...So , first you fan, then you seal the almost dry boomers in the container with dessicant ..Normally you would need more than two little packets ..
You can get a good sized box of "damprid" for a few bucks ..That should last several years..

jason_ · 06-05-08, 19:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by mycobrain

i have a fan blowing into a jar that has two packets of silica gel (the ones from shoes) at the bottom.

I don't think two packets of silica gel is going to be strong enough to do the trick... you should get something stronger: dririte, damprid, or something similar. Also, as golly mentioned, the container must be sealed or the desiccant does not do any good.

-Jason

mycobrain · 06-05-08, 20:20

Thanks! I saw the thread with the mass amount of Damp-Rid in the bottom of the container. I was way off with my 2 little packets lol, pretty funny. I'm going to see if any local stores carry these products then i'll be on my way to a well preserved harvest i hope. Thanks again

CoyoteMesc · 06-05-08, 20:45

A complete and thorough explanation of what exactly is going on during bruising would be great thing.

What is it?
Is it cell walls bursting?
What alkaloids are released?
Are they what causes the color?, etc

mycobrain · 06-05-08, 22:18

I agree. That would be some very interesting info. In turn it would explain a lot about the way mushies function....and there is def a lot i do not know

CoyoteMesc · 06-05-08, 22:28

Im guessing that it is individual walls that holds the
psilocybin and psilocin. Once these walls break the actives comes out much like a bruise on a human. One difference being that Oxidation and many other factor causes these walls to leak and lose potency.
But what make them turn blue. Why dont they ever drip blue, lack of enough H2o?

Jmyco · 06-06-08, 01:50

From googling Psilocybin and Psilocin you can learn a lot about the chemistry. From what I gather, the Psilocin is what turns blue when the phenolic (-OH group) arm gets oxidized.

I posted a video on the second page of "the stealthier honey tek"
http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...tml#post536449 (A Stealthier Honey?)
Very blue after being steeped and drained and exposed to air for 20 min, then adding Vitamin C water made all the blue disappear. Interesting, I would also like to know more about the inner workings of the growing mushroom and what purpose those compounds serve for the mushroom...

mycobrain · 06-06-08, 04:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jmyco

From googling Psilocybin and Psilocin you can learn a lot about the chemistry. From what I gather, the Psilocin is what turns blue when the phenolic (-OH group) arm gets oxidized.

I posted a video on the second page of "the stealthier honey tek"
http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...tml#post536449 (A Stealthier Honey?)
Very blue after being steeped and drained and exposed to air for 20 min, then adding Vitamin C water made all the blue disappear. Interesting, I would also like to know more about the inner workings of the growing mushroom and what purpose those compounds serve for the mushroom...

If the bluing can vanish then does this mean the potency returns? Does bluing really mean loss of potency? I feel that the science of the shroom is a tricky one

imsodangraw · 06-07-08, 15:19

Question- would putting fresh fungi in a sealed container with damprid be successful? This is without fanning them.

Lookyhere · 06-07-08, 15:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by imsodangraw

Question- would putting fresh fungi in a sealed container with damprid be successful? This is without fanning them.

yes, but it is better to fan for a day or at least let them sit out on a piece of paper for a day. I live in a place that is soooo humid and leaving them out for a day they lose a lot of moisture.

When I leave mine out for a day, there is no bluing at all. When I immediately put them under a fan there is bluing.

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mycobrain Mycophage Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 143	Too Much Bruising? As my fruits are drying out they are bruising very badly. most of the caps turn completely blue along with the majority of the stems. Is this intense bruising a bad thing? Will there be loss in potency? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance __________________ Trip well, trip hard

06-05-08, 16:46	#3 (permalink)
mycobrain Mycophage Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 143	Thanks. Im working on a faster drying method. Don't have much to use tho __________________ Trip well, trip hard

06-05-08, 17:03	#5 (permalink)
mycobrain Mycophage Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 143	i have a fan blowing into a jar that has two packets of silica gel (the ones from shoes) at the bottom. I only have 5 or 6 fruits in there so i'm hoping it will do the trick. Thanks for all the help __________________ Trip well, trip hard

06-05-08, 20:20	#8 (permalink)
mycobrain Mycophage Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 143	Thanks! I saw the thread with the mass amount of Damp-Rid in the bottom of the container. I was way off with my 2 little packets lol, pretty funny. I'm going to see if any local stores carry these products then i'll be on my way to a well preserved harvest i hope. Thanks again __________________ Trip well, trip hard

06-05-08, 15:39	#2 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,670	You need to speed up the drying process to reduce the bluing and yeah - it's not a good sighn but should still be partially active at least...

06-05-08, 16:58	#4 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,670	Any kind of fan will dry them most of the way..If the room is humid then you would need some dessicant to finish them up for storage.. If you can't do that ,then you can store mostly dry shrooms in the fridge in a paper bag and they will gradually dry down further..

06-05-08, 17:46	#6 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,670	That won't help i'm afraid..The silica would have to be in a sealed container to have any effect...So , first you fan, then you seal the almost dry boomers in the container with dessicant ..Normally you would need more than two little packets .. You can get a good sized box of "damprid" for a few bucks ..That should last several years..

06-05-08, 20:45	#9 (permalink)
CoyoteMesc KEY MASTER Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,517	A complete and thorough explanation of what exactly is going on during bruising would be great thing. What is it? Is it cell walls bursting? What alkaloids are released? Are they what causes the color?, etc __________________

06-05-08, 22:18	#10 (permalink)
mycobrain Mycophage Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 143	I agree. That would be some very interesting info. In turn it would explain a lot about the way mushies function....and there is def a lot i do not know __________________ Trip well, trip hard

06-05-08, 22:28	#11 (permalink)
CoyoteMesc KEY MASTER Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,517	Im guessing that it is individual walls that holds the psilocybin and psilocin. Once these walls break the actives comes out much like a bruise on a human. One difference being that Oxidation and many other factor causes these walls to leak and lose potency. But what make them turn blue. Why dont they ever drip blue, lack of enough H2o? __________________

06-06-08, 01:50	#12 (permalink)
Jmyco Mycophiliac Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 5	Blueing From googling Psilocybin and Psilocin you can learn a lot about the chemistry. From what I gather, the Psilocin is what turns blue when the phenolic (-OH group) arm gets oxidized. I posted a video on the second page of "the stealthier honey tek" http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...tml#post536449 (A Stealthier Honey?) Very blue after being steeped and drained and exposed to air for 20 min, then adding Vitamin C water made all the blue disappear. Interesting, I would also like to know more about the inner workings of the growing mushroom and what purpose those compounds serve for the mushroom...

06-07-08, 15:19	#14 (permalink)
imsodangraw Myconoob Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 118	Question- would putting fresh fungi in a sealed container with damprid be successful? This is without fanning them. __________________

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