First Attempt... Pan Viet. & Pan Goliath !

Mycomaniac2007 · 06-13-08, 12:50

First... Two Small Prints Were placed Inside A Glove box. 20 cc's Of Distilled Water Was Injected Into The Print Baggie . Water Was Sucked Up And Jars Were Innoculated Instantly. They Were Pressure Cooked At 15 psi For 60 mins. The Day Before To Prevent The Jars From Being Too Warm. These Three 1/2 Pint Jars Were Started 17 Days Ago. They were The Original " Waylit's Pan cyan Tek " Recipe . With The Addition of Rye Grain To The Mixture. About 1 & 1/2 Cups Total Rye grain.

Mycomaniac2007 · 06-13-08, 12:52

The # Half Pints Were Incubated at 80 Deg. F For About 14 Days Total . I Also Made A 2 Cup PP5 Container Of The Pan Viet. That Will Be Cased Directly From The Container. The Half Pints Will Be Crumbled & Cased In a Casserole Dish.

Mycomaniac2007 · 06-13-08, 12:55

14 DAYS !!!

Mycomaniac2007 · 06-13-08, 13:02

After a few more days to let the cakes Fully Colonise , The Three Cakes Were Crumbled . Then Cased With A Mixture Of Cactus Soil & Medium Vermiculite - 50 / 50 . With a small amount of lime . They Were Moistened Almost to Field Capacity , Sterilized For 60 mins .In A Pint Jar, And Then Moistened To Field Capacity When Cooled . The The Casing Was Applied About a 1/4 '' . Just enough to cover The spots between the pieces. Pan's Havent Been Done B4 So There Was No Experence With This. They were Then Placed Into The Incubating Chamber For 3 Days. At 83 Deg. *** Now The Casing Was Taken Out Of The Incuation Chamber... Put Into Fruiting Mode !!! Light Applied & Everything Looks Well But Hoppefully Things will go as well as they Look ! Now Can Someone Give Some Advise To The Temperature Needed In The Fruiting Chamber ? They Are At 80 Deg. F And Steady . There Is A Fresh Air Exchange Filter On The Side Of The Chamber For Air , Along With 1/4 Inch Holes . They Around The Sides Of The Bin Right Above The Pearlite Layer.

Freaky · 06-13-08, 13:17

so you included a manure to your substrate?

Mycomaniac2007 · 06-13-08, 13:20

Yes , It Was The " Waylit's Pan cyan " Recipe With Half Of All The Ingredients. This is due to only needing Half as many Jars. The Manure Was Aged about 6 months at the stable , Crumbled at home , then dried On A Blanket In The Sun. Then Stored. I Kind of Need Some Help With This Project Due To Inexperience ... I Hope Everything Looks Well And will go as planned ! Will Post More Picture As Things Move Along.

Freaky · 06-13-08, 13:23

They look good and healthy to me.

Foster · 06-13-08, 16:05

Looks good! Best of luck with those pans. Im sure youll find them a very interesting study. Keep us updated, wont take long to show pins. Pans are Faaast! Foster

Mycomaniac2007 · 06-13-08, 17:49

I Hope !!! Should I Be Misting ANYTHING At All ? I Don't Think I Should , The Humidity Is Almost 100% With The Pearlite But Casing Is A Bit Dry. Most Of It Is Colonised So I Think Misting Will Do Nothing But Damage

golly · 06-13-08, 22:36

Trays look great..Think your pretty much on track..80F is good , just be sure to fan them.
You can allow a very gentle mist to fall on the surface but let it dry a little b4
re-misting..Gluk..

Mycomaniac2007 · 06-14-08, 11:07

Well , Things Seem To Be Coming Along . Now A Fan Has Been Added . Aslo A Filter For Clean Air To Come In . Positive Air Will Push Out The Existing Air From The Bin From The Small Holes That Were Previously Put In . Air Seems To Be Plentifull And The Temp Is At A Steady 82 Deg. Small Beads Of Water Are Starting To Show On The Mycillium But The Air Flow SHOULD Take Care Of This ? Now A Question ... Should The Casing Have Stayed In The Incubation Chamber A day Or Two Longer ? Seems That People say Overlay Is Benifitial With Pan's .The Casing Doesn't Seem To Have Much Overlay, It Stopped For The Most Part After Being Put In Fruiting Mode. Don't Know If This Is Due To The Strain. Again ... One Is Pan Veit & The Other Is Goliath. Due To Not Labeling , The Two Are Mixed Up . The Two Cup Container & The Cased Caserolle Dish Allready In The Fruiting Chamber . Wont Beable To Notice Untill They Fruit... Here Are Some Pics

Hippie3 · 06-14-08, 11:20

get rid of the water droplets on it,
gently daub them up with clean paper towel
and stop misting / increase fae / lower humidity a hair
until no more droplets appear.
or could they be dripping down off lid onto your casing ?

Mycomaniac2007 · 06-14-08, 12:01

No , I am Not Misting At All . I Made Sure Of The Moisture In The Casing B4 Fruiting. It Is From The Moisture In The Tub With The Perlite . The Top Is Also Wiped Down Every Am For Condensed Water Not To fall Onto Casing. The Humidity Is Very High Because Of The Heating Pad Being On Low... It Can Be Turned Off . It Was Thought That They Need Alot Of Humidity . Will Dab With A Paper Towel And Turn Off Pad , The Temp Will Only Drop To Around 79 - 80 Deg. Is This Sufficent ???

Hippie3 · 06-14-08, 12:05

you proly do not need the perlite, getting your rh up too high.
a casing in a small terrarium is self-humidifying as moisture evaporates .
the heat is of course making the perlite put out even more moisture
so lowering heat to about 75* would be good.

Mycomaniac2007 · 06-14-08, 12:12

Will Do ... Thanks for The Info . Will Post With Any Changes / Or Good News. Hoping For Good

golly · 06-14-08, 13:01

The surface of Pan mycelium often developes dewdrops from within but never to the point of being harmfull ime..Time till fruiting is directly related to temp.. Usually 7 days from full colo of the sub @80F and more like 10 + for mid 70s ...

Mycomaniac2007 · 06-16-08, 08:52

I Couldn't Believe My Eyes , This Morning While Turning On The Fan To Give Fresh Air , Pin Dance !!! , They Are Still Very Small So I Will Give A Pic In a Day Or Two. I Would Assume Small Pins Are Normal 4 Pans. They Are An Off White With A Tan Head Just Starting To Form

They Are GREAT !!! Thank You Everyone That Has Helped And To waylitjim ... For This Couldn't Be Possible

Mycomaniac2007 · 06-24-08, 20:22

The Pins On The Pan Goliath casing Were Small And Very Skinny. After a few days No Progress at all. I'm thinking that this was caused by misting the delicate mycillium B4 Pinning. The Goliath Casing Was Removed and The Substrate Crumbled. It Was spawned to 50% Straw / 25% Coir 15% Horse Manure & 10 % Vermic. Took Ten days to Fully Colonise New Sub And Coir / Vermic & Cactus Soil Casing was applied On The 22nd. Things are looking Good " AGAIN " But Misting will onlu be applied as needed in beginning of casing colonisation. Will Friut In 2-3 Days. Other Projects Worked On While Waiting Are South American & Mexi Pal . 24 1/2 Pint Cakes Were Made. 3 Of Each Strain Were Crumbled Into a Mixture Of Straw Manure & Coir Spawn. Fully Colonised On 21 rst & Cased , Vermic - Coir On The 22nd. Great Rizo Growth . Half The Cakes Were Put Into Fruiting On The 18th. DEC'd. Should See Pin's Any Day Now !!! Send The Good Vibes

Mermaidia · 06-24-08, 20:30

Looking really good. I can't wait to see some fruits.

Freaky · 06-24-08, 21:56

Wow it's going nuts on the new spawn run. It likes your substrate you spawned to.

Best of luck, and hopefully you'll get some good fruits!

Mycomaniac2007 · 06-25-08, 08:38

The Tubs Shown Are South American & Mexi Pal Strains . Didn't Know If You Thought It Was The Pans. Wish The Pans Were That Prolific And Rizo Looking lol. Didnt Get A Chance To Take A Pic Of The Spawn B4 Casing But Will When Put Into Fruiting. Starting to Break through now About 15%. Should Casing B Added to the fruiting chamber now ? It is coming up around the edges of the container and small spaces in the middle. The Others are Starting to break through Also ... Around 10 %. Should they be introduced This Early Also To Prevent Overlay ? No Previous Exp. With Straw - Bulk. Only Cakes & Small Casings. Was Concerned about casing in the First Place. The Fruiting Chambers Have Pearlite And Small 1/4 Inch Holes About 1 inch Above the Perl. For CO2 Exchange. Plus a Hepa Filter On The Side For Positive Air Flow Into Bin, Air Flows Nicely Out Of The Holes / bin. So The Humidity Can Be Adjusted To Lower If Too high. So My Question Is Can You leave A , Primarilly Straw Substrate Uncased With Adequate Humidty In The Terrarium ? And Still Get Good a Good Flush ? Mycillium Looked Very Good As You Can see in the pic so Would This Have been Sufficent To Fruit Without A Casing ? Does Anyone Have Experence With Not Casing Bulk Straw Sub's ? Thanks

Mycomaniac2007 · 06-27-08, 08:46

Went in to give Fresh Air Exc. & Noticed a Bunch Of pins On Each Cake ! There is a total of 7 Cakes. There's 10 more Sa & Mexi Pal Cakes But They Will be exposed to light untill pins appear As Hippie 3 Sudgests. Have Found That Overlay Is A Problem On The First 7 Cakes .The pins are depending on the Humidity In Terrarium for moustiure, Not The Casing . It would have Benif. To Gve light & let Them Pin Prior to Birthing, Thus Not Giving The chance to overlay. It took Ten Days To Pin So the Remaining Cakes Will Be Done This Way To Give The Full Benifit Of The DE Casing. The Straw Casings Are Looking Great , 3 Days In Fruit Mode. South American Looks Slightly Overlayed & Mexi Pal Looks Better With No Problems. Both Were Taken Out Of Incubation On The Same day. The Straw Sub. That The Previous Pan Attempt Is Doing Well Also. Put Into Fruiting Chamber With No Misting !!! Hoping For The Best This Time With Less Tampering.

Mycomaniac2007 · 06-28-08, 09:09

All Of The Cakes Are Pinning Like Crazy And look To Be Comfortable. Very Happy With The Outcome. Going to Birth The Remaining Ten Soon. Hope They Come Out Just As Good ! Will Have More Pics At Harvest.Hopefully The Casings Will Pin Soon. about 5 days In So Far . The Re done Pan Viet Casing Looks About Right, It's At 7 Days So Pins Should Be Any day Now . Hope It Turns Out T Be Different This Time...

Mycomaniac2007 · 06-29-08, 20:43

WOW ! Great Results With the cakes , Better Than Anticipated . The Pan Cyan Substrate has Finally Pinned !!!! Was Mixed With Straw , Coir & Vermic And Seemed To Do The Trick .You Can't See The Pin's From The Image. Camera Phone Plus It Is Hard To See Such Delicate Pins. Looks Like A Few Will Make It To Good Size. I'm Happy ... Suceeding Is Such A Wondefull Feeling !!! Also The Two Straw / Poo Casings Are Starting To Pin. Cant wait to see the Size Diff. From Cakes . Thaniks For Looking. Will Give Pic Of Pans Maturing Ina Few Days .

waylitjim · 06-29-08, 21:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mycomaniac2007

Thank You Everyone That Has Helped And To Waylitjim ... For This Couldn't Be Possible

Looking good!
You did well young Jedi

Mycomaniac2007 · 07-02-08, 08:16

The South American Strain Has Done GREAT On Half Pint Cakes. Used 1/4 Cup BRF 2/3rds Cup Of Vermic. One Tbs. To Four 1/2 Pints... Cottonseed Meal - Flax Seed - Nutritional Yeast - And Bee Pollen, All Organic Ing.I Have Come To Like This Mixture & It Seems To Work Well With Cakes . The Normal Mixture Is Great Also But Colonisation Seems Faster And The Sub. Seems To Get More Fruits... The Pan Viet Mix Of Straw Manure & Coir That Was Made At The Beginning Of The Thread Finally Fruited But Only A Few were Harvested. They Were Small And Caps Were Not Very Big. I Dont KNow If The Problem Is With The Casing , Sub. Or Somewere Else

.If Anyone Can Help With This Please Do . The Mexi Pal Cakes Are Just About To Be Finished Fruiting In A Day Or 2 . The Four Tall Half Pints Are Amazon Strain . Made With Pf Mix And With WBS Added. Around 1/4 Cup Each 1/2 Pint. Just To See If There Are Any Benifits . They Look Fat And Healthy, But A little Bit Too Fluffy lol. Now The First Bulk Study With Mexi Pal & South American Are Pinning Well And Starting To Fatten Up. Seems That The South American Has Overlay And This Is Preventing Some Of The Pins From Forming. The Mexi Pal Is Pinning Awesome And Has Pins Everywere . No Overlay And The Casing Looks Nice And Moist Still. No Misting Was Needed . The Big Casing Is Amazon Strain - Not Cased Yet - Used 4 Pints Of WBS Spawned To 50 % Coir & 5- % Vermiculite. The Casings are In A Bin With A Small Amount Of Pearlite. The Bin Is Large With Air Exchange Holes For Some Humidity To Escape. Seems To Work Well. If Anyone Has Info On Preventing Overlay, Feel Free To Give A Few Pointers. Thanks & Enjoy

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06-13-08, 12:50	#1 (permalink)
Mycomaniac2007 Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 199	First Attempt... Pan Viet. & Pan Goliath ! First... Two Small Prints Were placed Inside A Glove box. 20 cc's Of Distilled Water Was Injected Into The Print Baggie . Water Was Sucked Up And Jars Were Innoculated Instantly. They Were Pressure Cooked At 15 psi For 60 mins. The Day Before To Prevent The Jars From Being Too Warm. These Three 1/2 Pint Jars Were Started 17 Days Ago. They were The Original " Waylit's Pan cyan Tek " Recipe . With The Addition of Rye Grain To The Mixture. About 1 & 1/2 Cups Total Rye grain. Attached Thumbnails __________________ * I Love This Hobby *

06-13-08, 12:52	#2 (permalink)
Mycomaniac2007 Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 199	" Incubation " The # Half Pints Were Incubated at 80 Deg. F For About 14 Days Total . I Also Made A 2 Cup PP5 Container Of The Pan Viet. That Will Be Cased Directly From The Container. The Half Pints Will Be Crumbled & Cased In a Casserole Dish. Attached Thumbnails

06-13-08, 12:55	#3 (permalink)
Mycomaniac2007 Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 199	14 DAYS !!! Attached Thumbnails

06-13-08, 13:02	#4 (permalink)
Mycomaniac2007 Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 199	Casing.... After a few more days to let the cakes Fully Colonise , The Three Cakes Were Crumbled . Then Cased With A Mixture Of Cactus Soil & Medium Vermiculite - 50 / 50 . With a small amount of lime . They Were Moistened Almost to Field Capacity , Sterilized For 60 mins .In A Pint Jar, And Then Moistened To Field Capacity When Cooled . The The Casing Was Applied About a 1/4 '' . Just enough to cover The spots between the pieces. Pan's Havent Been Done B4 So There Was No Experence With This. They were Then Placed Into The Incubating Chamber For 3 Days. At 83 Deg. *** Now The Casing Was Taken Out Of The Incuation Chamber... Put Into Fruiting Mode !!! Light Applied & Everything Looks Well But Hoppefully Things will go as well as they Look ! Now Can Someone Give Some Advise To The Temperature Needed In The Fruiting Chamber ? They Are At 80 Deg. F And Steady . There Is A Fresh Air Exchange Filter On The Side Of The Chamber For Air , Along With 1/4 Inch Holes . They Around The Sides Of The Bin Right Above The Pearlite Layer. Attached Thumbnails

06-13-08, 13:17	#5 (permalink)
Freaky Magik Mod Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,518	so you included a manure to your substrate? __________________ Get On The Good Foot

06-13-08, 13:20	#6 (permalink)
Mycomaniac2007 Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 199	Yes , It Was The " Waylit's Pan cyan " Recipe With Half Of All The Ingredients. This is due to only needing Half as many Jars. The Manure Was Aged about 6 months at the stable , Crumbled at home , then dried On A Blanket In The Sun. Then Stored. I Kind of Need Some Help With This Project Due To Inexperience ... I Hope Everything Looks Well And will go as planned ! Will Post More Picture As Things Move Along. __________________ * I Love This Hobby *

06-13-08, 13:23	#7 (permalink)
Freaky Magik Mod Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,518	They look good and healthy to me. __________________ Get On The Good Foot

06-13-08, 16:05	#8 (permalink)
Foster jimisinit Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,236	Looks good! Best of luck with those pans. Im sure youll find them a very interesting study. Keep us updated, wont take long to show pins. Pans are Faaast! Foster

06-13-08, 17:49	#9 (permalink)
Mycomaniac2007 Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 199	Thanks For The Kind Words ! I Hope !!! Should I Be Misting ANYTHING At All ? I Don't Think I Should , The Humidity Is Almost 100% With The Pearlite But Casing Is A Bit Dry. Most Of It Is Colonised So I Think Misting Will Do Nothing But Damage __________________ * I Love This Hobby *

06-13-08, 22:36	#10 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,670	Trays look great..Think your pretty much on track..80F is good , just be sure to fan them. You can allow a very gentle mist to fall on the surface but let it dry a little b4 re-misting..Gluk..

06-14-08, 11:07	#11 (permalink)
Mycomaniac2007 Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 199	Hey Everyone, Thanks For All The Help !!! Well , Things Seem To Be Coming Along . Now A Fan Has Been Added . Aslo A Filter For Clean Air To Come In . Positive Air Will Push Out The Existing Air From The Bin From The Small Holes That Were Previously Put In . Air Seems To Be Plentifull And The Temp Is At A Steady 82 Deg. Small Beads Of Water Are Starting To Show On The Mycillium But The Air Flow SHOULD Take Care Of This ? Now A Question ... Should The Casing Have Stayed In The Incubation Chamber A day Or Two Longer ? Seems That People say Overlay Is Benifitial With Pan's .The Casing Doesn't Seem To Have Much Overlay, It Stopped For The Most Part After Being Put In Fruiting Mode. Don't Know If This Is Due To The Strain. Again ... One Is Pan Veit & The Other Is Goliath. Due To Not Labeling , The Two Are Mixed Up . The Two Cup Container & The Cased Caserolle Dish Allready In The Fruiting Chamber . Wont Beable To Notice Untill They Fruit... Here Are Some Pics Attached Thumbnails __________________ * I Love This Hobby *

06-14-08, 11:20	#12 (permalink)
Hippie3 Admin Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 36,331	get rid of the water droplets on it, gently daub them up with clean paper towel and stop misting / increase fae / lower humidity a hair until no more droplets appear. or could they be dripping down off lid onto your casing ? __________________ GROW SUPPLIES: www.Mycrotopia.com ------------Simply The Best------------ Namaste Temet Nosce

06-14-08, 12:01	#13 (permalink)
Mycomaniac2007 Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 199	No , I am Not Misting At All . I Made Sure Of The Moisture In The Casing B4 Fruiting. It Is From The Moisture In The Tub With The Perlite . The Top Is Also Wiped Down Every Am For Condensed Water Not To fall Onto Casing. The Humidity Is Very High Because Of The Heating Pad Being On Low... It Can Be Turned Off . It Was Thought That They Need Alot Of Humidity . Will Dab With A Paper Towel And Turn Off Pad , The Temp Will Only Drop To Around 79 - 80 Deg. Is This Sufficent ??? __________________ * I Love This Hobby *

06-14-08, 12:05	#14 (permalink)
Hippie3 Admin Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 36,331	you proly do not need the perlite, getting your rh up too high. a casing in a small terrarium is self-humidifying as moisture evaporates . the heat is of course making the perlite put out even more moisture so lowering heat to about 75* would be good. __________________ GROW SUPPLIES: www.Mycrotopia.com ------------Simply The Best------------ Namaste Temet Nosce

06-14-08, 12:12	#15 (permalink)
Mycomaniac2007 Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 199	Will Do ... Thanks for The Info . Will Post With Any Changes / Or Good News. Hoping For Good __________________ * I Love This Hobby *

06-14-08, 13:01	#16 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,670	The surface of Pan mycelium often developes dewdrops from within but never to the point of being harmfull ime..Time till fruiting is directly related to temp.. Usually 7 days from full colo of the sub @80F and more like 10 + for mid 70s ...

06-16-08, 08:52	#17 (permalink)
Mycomaniac2007 Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 199	At Last ... Sucess , Casing Has It's First PIN'S !!! I Couldn't Believe My Eyes , This Morning While Turning On The Fan To Give Fresh Air , Pin Dance !!! , They Are Still Very Small So I Will Give A Pic In a Day Or Two. I Would Assume Small Pins Are Normal 4 Pans. They Are An Off White With A Tan Head Just Starting To Form They Are GREAT !!! Thank You Everyone That Has Helped And To waylitjim ... For This Couldn't Be Possible __________________ * I Love This Hobby *

06-24-08, 20:22	#18 (permalink)
Mycomaniac2007 Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 199	PIN's Were Not As Successfull As Thought ... The Pins On The Pan Goliath casing Were Small And Very Skinny. After a few days No Progress at all. I'm thinking that this was caused by misting the delicate mycillium B4 Pinning. The Goliath Casing Was Removed and The Substrate Crumbled. It Was spawned to 50% Straw / 25% Coir 15% Horse Manure & 10 % Vermic. Took Ten days to Fully Colonise New Sub And Coir / Vermic & Cactus Soil Casing was applied On The 22nd. Things are looking Good " AGAIN " But Misting will onlu be applied as needed in beginning of casing colonisation. Will Friut In 2-3 Days. Other Projects Worked On While Waiting Are South American & Mexi Pal . 24 1/2 Pint Cakes Were Made. 3 Of Each Strain Were Crumbled Into a Mixture Of Straw Manure & Coir Spawn. Fully Colonised On 21 rst & Cased , Vermic - Coir On The 22nd. Great Rizo Growth . Half The Cakes Were Put Into Fruiting On The 18th. DEC'd. Should See Pin's Any Day Now !!! Send The Good Vibes Attached Thumbnails __________________ * I Love This Hobby *

06-24-08, 20:30	#19 (permalink)
Mermaidia Sober Sister Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,030	Looking really good. I can't wait to see some fruits. __________________ Don't let your gift take you somewhere your character can not keep you.

06-24-08, 21:56	#20 (permalink)
Freaky Magik Mod Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,518	Wow it's going nuts on the new spawn run. It likes your substrate you spawned to. Best of luck, and hopefully you'll get some good fruits! __________________ Get On The Good Foot

06-25-08, 08:38	#21 (permalink)
Mycomaniac2007 Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 199	A Couple Of Questions ... The Tubs Shown Are South American & Mexi Pal Strains . Didn't Know If You Thought It Was The Pans. Wish The Pans Were That Prolific And Rizo Looking lol. Didnt Get A Chance To Take A Pic Of The Spawn B4 Casing But Will When Put Into Fruiting. Starting to Break through now About 15%. Should Casing B Added to the fruiting chamber now ? It is coming up around the edges of the container and small spaces in the middle. The Others are Starting to break through Also ... Around 10 %. Should they be introduced This Early Also To Prevent Overlay ? No Previous Exp. With Straw - Bulk. Only Cakes & Small Casings. Was Concerned about casing in the First Place. The Fruiting Chambers Have Pearlite And Small 1/4 Inch Holes About 1 inch Above the Perl. For CO2 Exchange. Plus a Hepa Filter On The Side For Positive Air Flow Into Bin, Air Flows Nicely Out Of The Holes / bin. So The Humidity Can Be Adjusted To Lower If Too high. So My Question Is Can You leave A , Primarilly Straw Substrate Uncased With Adequate Humidty In The Terrarium ? And Still Get Good a Good Flush ? Mycillium Looked Very Good As You Can see in the pic so Would This Have been Sufficent To Fruit Without A Casing ? Does Anyone Have Experence With Not Casing Bulk Straw Sub's ? Thanks __________________ * I Love This Hobby *

06-27-08, 08:46	#22 (permalink)
Mycomaniac2007 Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 199	Checked The Cakes This Morning... Pins Pins Pins ! Went in to give Fresh Air Exc. & Noticed a Bunch Of pins On Each Cake ! There is a total of 7 Cakes. There's 10 more Sa & Mexi Pal Cakes But They Will be exposed to light untill pins appear As Hippie 3 Sudgests. Have Found That Overlay Is A Problem On The First 7 Cakes .The pins are depending on the Humidity In Terrarium for moustiure, Not The Casing . It would have Benif. To Gve light & let Them Pin Prior to Birthing, Thus Not Giving The chance to overlay. It took Ten Days To Pin So the Remaining Cakes Will Be Done This Way To Give The Full Benifit Of The DE Casing. The Straw Casings Are Looking Great , 3 Days In Fruit Mode. South American Looks Slightly Overlayed & Mexi Pal Looks Better With No Problems. Both Were Taken Out Of Incubation On The Same day. The Straw Sub. That The Previous Pan Attempt Is Doing Well Also. Put Into Fruiting Chamber With No Misting !!! Hoping For The Best This Time With Less Tampering. Attached Thumbnails __________________ * I Love This Hobby *

06-28-08, 09:09	#23 (permalink)
Mycomaniac2007 Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 199	Cake Update ... All Of The Cakes Are Pinning Like Crazy And look To Be Comfortable. Very Happy With The Outcome. Going to Birth The Remaining Ten Soon. Hope They Come Out Just As Good ! Will Have More Pics At Harvest.Hopefully The Casings Will Pin Soon. about 5 days In So Far . The Re done Pan Viet Casing Looks About Right, It's At 7 Days So Pins Should Be Any day Now . Hope It Turns Out T Be Different This Time... Attached Thumbnails __________________ * I Love This Hobby *

06-29-08, 20:43	#24 (permalink)
Mycomaniac2007 Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 199	Update. WOW ! Great Results With the cakes , Better Than Anticipated . The Pan Cyan Substrate has Finally Pinned !!!! Was Mixed With Straw , Coir & Vermic And Seemed To Do The Trick .You Can't See The Pin's From The Image. Camera Phone Plus It Is Hard To See Such Delicate Pins. Looks Like A Few Will Make It To Good Size. I'm Happy ... Suceeding Is Such A Wondefull Feeling !!! Also The Two Straw / Poo Casings Are Starting To Pin. Cant wait to see the Size Diff. From Cakes . Thaniks For Looking. Will Give Pic Of Pans Maturing Ina Few Days . Attached Thumbnails __________________ * I Love This Hobby *