Promoting pinning after first flush

[Raziel]

Hi folks

Just finished the first flush, most of the shrooms veil had broke and were dropping spores so picked them all then went over it again and picked all the aborts, got about 50 good size shrooms

I can't dunk this in water for 24 hours as the tek I used was layer of verm, layer of cake and layer of verm. Whats the best way to hydrate this project to get ready for the next flush and should I do anything to promote new pins to arrive apart from the infamous pin dance ?

The shrooms I picked are on my bedroom floor on a layer of news paper with a layer on top to protect from light and help absorb moisture, is this sufficient for drying ?

[twoguysupnorth]

i think a fan would help along in the drying area. not sure how long it would take your way. also with 50 good shrooms coming off it would probably need to be dunked. if you cant lift it out whole, try flooding it with some distilled or boiled water with something on top to weigh it down. i just use my tap water but i have a country well. then after your period of time drain it off well.

[eatyualive]

you could just lightly mist the casing layer and repatch any areas that have damage. if its just a verm casing. ive seen mixed results. great and not so great. in experience, not so great. what ive done with casings on cubensis, and some may disagree, is flood it. you simply use a sink spray nozzle to hose down and scratch the surface of the casing. it should be gentle enough to allow minimal damage to your casing. let the water pool for a few hours. then drain it off very well. but you really need to clean any dead pins or broken fruit material off the casing first.

if you have never had experience dunking, i suggest not doing this and just mist with a fine mist spray bottle. you may even be able to apply a thin minimal amount of casing or patch the areas with damage. good luck.

then just fan or whatever your setup, just do as normal and you should start seeing pins in about 5 days.

good luck.

[Raziel]

Thanks guys

Im not going to drown it because as it is my first time at this in a while I didn't think ahead and I forgot to drill holes in my washing up bowl to allow drainage so getting the water out would be very messy and damaging. Im going to take your advice and just mist the top,I have already injected about half a pint of water beneath the verm so hopefully will be ok and its pretty moist now.

The harvest is going to be on my bedroom floor with newpaper for the time being but tomorrow im going to go out and buy some desiccant. I wont be able to use a fan at all as my galfriend wouldn't allow it to be on for any length of time but if I put them in a drawer or large container with large amount of desiccant this would work better than just news paper ? good results you think ?

I just checked for any pins and fruit material I missed, there was some but has been removed now. Patched some patches that were showing where the shrooms were with verm that was alreading part of the casing, as I've ran out of that too, so all should be good now

Just going to wait now

[Irishlion]

you should be fine raziel but, might I suggest something? you must dry the shroms as fast as possible without any heat. So you might be able to put them on a screen cause news paper very well may absorb the psil since its absorbant. The chemical dessiant may indeed cause some unwanted effects. Now, back to what I was going to tell you. Find some cow or horse dung mix it with water then boil then straing with a screen type strainer let it cool then suck that up and inject that into you sub and watch what happens. I am sure ou will like the results inject say 10 cc every 2 inches of so woth a relativly small needle. This won't hur th mycelium base but, in fact will add nutrients to the sub that he mushies will thrive on for 2 to 3 more flushes and just watch what happens man try it.

[coorsmikey]

Originally Posted by Irishlion

Find some cow or horse dung mix it with water then boil then straing with a screen type strainer let it cool then suck that up and inject that into you sub and watch what happens. I am sure ou will like the results inject say 10 cc every 2 inches of so woth a relativly small needle. This won't hur th mycelium base but, in fact will add nutrients to the sub that he mushies will thrive on for 2 to 3 more flushes and just watch what happens man try it.

Would the store bought "compost tea" work as well. If one were opposed to acquiring poo and boiling it?

[Raziel]

Originally Posted by Irishlion

you should be fine raziel but, might I suggest something? you must dry the shroms as fast as possible without any heat. So you might be able to put them on a screen cause news paper very well may absorb the psil since its absorbant. The chemical dessiant may indeed cause some unwanted effects. Now, back to what I was going to tell you. Find some cow or horse dung mix it with water then boil then straing with a screen type strainer let it cool then suck that up and inject that into you sub and watch what happens. I am sure ou will like the results inject say 10 cc every 2 inches of so woth a relativly small needle. This won't hur th mycelium base but, in fact will add nutrients to the sub that he mushies will thrive on for 2 to 3 more flushes and just watch what happens man try it.

Dude that's a good idea! I posted a topic about adding nutrients to the casing after the first flush , I was going to add sugar or honey water but was told it would be prone to contams so I just forgot about it but poo water is a great idea cus it would be less likely to get a contam. Im riding up to the hills today to collect some horse shit and will let you know how I get on

[Raziel]

I've aquired some horse shit so what im going to do is mix it with water boil it for say 15 minutes as I have no idea, then strain with a colender and then suck up the liquid and inject about 5 cc in every 2sq inch's, I would inject 10 cc but I've already hydrated the casing.

If this is not correct then better tell me because im going to do it within the next 2 hours Hope the results are good.

[Irishlion]

I would actually boil it for like 30 miuntes or so ad remember allow it to cool cause if you inject the dung water in hot you'll cook dem mushies LOL but, yes that should do just fine man and your mushies should explode and i hope you get so many mushies that you have to use a chainsaw to get inside the FC.

[Raziel]

Thanks mate, I will be doing this in the morning so hopefully all goes well. I already hydrated my casing about 2 days ago and the mycelium is already starting to knot and oins are appearing injecting with this horse shit water won't disturb it too much will it ? I have to go carefull aswell because like I said I already hydrated it and gave it a heavy misting so don't wont to over do it.

I will post my results as soon as they appear

Thanks

[Irishlion]

since you have already hydratied the sub perhaps 2ccs every 2 square inches until the thrid flush then use like 5 to 7 ccs for a total rehydration inject close to the pins but, not close enough to harm them and as your squirting out the dung water remember to raise the needle up so you don't get pockets of water, so the injected liquid will be uniform so to speak.

[Raziel]

Cool I'll do that

[Irishlion]

anytime bro hopefully we'll get pics soon

[eatyualive]

check this out. real simple
takes a few days but it works great!

http://archives.mycotopia.net/discus...tml?1072655415

[Raziel]

I personnaly dont have a fan at all, just drying them in my room in the open on top a cheast of drawers. I am keeping the light off them though

[Raziel]

Do you think that the liquid I get from boiling this god awful horse shit will keep for awhile ? Im going to have about 2 pints of this shit and I really REALLY do not want to be cooking this shit again for awhile but I will probably need it aagin in about 10-14 days. Will it keep in the fridge or at room temp for 10-14 days ?

[Irishlion]

it should man if you fill the jars completly to the top and cap them. I am however unsure as to how long it will keep? its just pure liquid right you strained out everything else

[Raziel]

It ok man I chucked it down the sink was going to put it in the fridge and label it "Marmite" haha. It was just the liqud bit aswell.

I leeched the poo first by puting it in a colander and letting water run on it for about 5min just in case but it was pretty dry anyway. Chucked it in a pan and boiled for 30 min the used the colander again to filter all the big bits of poo out *vomits in mouth*

let it cool, and I think I injected about half a pint into my casing, I got carried away

You must note all this was done while my galfriend was at work because if she knew I wouldn't be alive now

[Irishlion]

yeah man I KNOW THE FEELING mine usally make me do the stinky stuff outside LOL or it would be for me man well i am sure the added nutrients to sub will totally give those mushies the boosts they are looking for are the pinning again yet?

[Raziel]

Yup they are pinning

about 10-15 at the moment,even before I added the extra nutrient boost the mycelium had started growing back all over the verm and was knotting. Im sure more pins will form later by the look of it. I would post a pic but my camera phone is very crappy and you wont see the detail.

I'll post pics before the harvest though

[hungryjim]

not having much to work with, for my first crop i laid a box-fan flat, blowing down, supported on all corners by piles of books, propped up off of the floor. then suspended in a sealed contained over damp-rid...dry as crackers!

[Raziel]

Is this quite small for B+ for its 2nd flush ? There are about 20 small - medium shrooms. In the pics there are about 15 as I picked 5 smallish shrooms before I took the pictures. Compared to the 1st flush there doesn't seem to be many at all or could this be straglers from the 1st flush as these guys started growing about a day after I picked the 1st flush and amoung the first flush were a few that probably were not ready to be picked as the veils had not broke.

Are they straglers or is this a very small 2nd flush and why ?

[twoguysupnorth]

it sounds like the end of the first flush if it was only a day after.

[Raziel]

I did harvest the first flush about 5 days ago but I had pins 24 hours after and a few more 2-3 days after so im hopeing it is the end of the first flush.

Does cobweb mold prevent pinning ? I think I may have some but only 50% sure. The mycelium looks quite weak on the surface and I wouldn't say its a brillient white nor a dull grey it's hard to tell. I cant post a pic because my camera wont capture the detail. It's not really whispy either, as it's quite humid in my fruit chamber tiny little droplets of water have collected on the surface and sort of clung to the mycelium/cobweb and made it look "flat" but I wouldn't say it's "fanning" at all.

I sprayed a little peroxide in a small area and if it's cobweb or mycelium it did not dissapear. From what I have discribed does this sound like cobweb or mycelium ? Does very hunid enviroments cause mycelium to grow faint/weak ?

I am using the "layer of verm, layer of crushed cakes then a layer of verm tek"

Thanks for your opinions

[Irishlion]

Add more FAE like 5 to 7 times a day for 5 to 7 minutes at a time. this will allow any co2 to be released. Is it fluffy looking like cotton or like a cloud and grey. But, if you sprayed hydrogen peroxide on it and it didn't kill it then I would seriously doubt it is cob web. It could just be the mycelium taking on a slight hue due to the casing you are using. As for the mushies I would venture to say that it was the end of the first flush. After the mycelium recovers it should bust into a second flush and start that pin dance we all love so much. But, it could be that the mycleium is finished producing mushies you might try after you are sure its done (this is just a thought a theory if you will) flipping the sub over rehydrating it and casing that side (remember the casing step if you decide to flip the sub over) and see if it will fruit some more.

[Raziel]

Thanks Irishlion,
after keeping a close eye on it I dont think it is cobweb, I have about 50-60 holes drilled in the lid covered with micropore tape so I took half the pieces of tape off to expose and let fresh air in. Looking closly I think that this was the end of the first flush as after picking the last remaining 10-15 shrooms 2days ago there has been no more pins appearing. I injected that hpoo liquid all over including around the edges where there was no mycelium and last night I noticed that the mycelium has started to spread out around the edges (looking for nutrients I think)

It's been 7 days since the initial bulk harvest and about 3 days since the last pin appeared. Do you think it will pin again, if so how long from your experience? I think the mycelium may be in recovery mode ... I hope.

As I said before, as the FC is so humid little tiny droplets of water are forming on the mycelium were it is exposed (about 75% of the surface) Is this damaging to the mycelium and do you think I should cover with vermiculite and lightly spray or is it ok to have mycelium exposed ???

[Irishlion]

you cover the entire sub with the casing and mist it. Remember that too much humidity can be a bad thing as well. you want your humidity level to be around 85 to 93 %. You really need to invest in a themohyrdometer is you don't have one. You can find a good one for 29.95 at this site http://homeharvest.com/environmentalmonitoring.htm that way you can see what your RH is, remember the 29.95 one. I am sure if you are seeing new mycelium growth then you WILL see a new flush. It could take up to a week for the mycelium to recover and begin the fruiting stage again. You must remember you harvested early and injected nutrients into the mycelium/subsatrate so its gonna need time to recover. Patitence is a virture which is well rewarded.

[Raziel]

Cool I'll just wait

So should I cover the mycelium with some more verm ??? Obviously it was covered 100% at the start but since the flush I had and new growth before and after itt's very much visable/exposed.

Oh and I will invest in one of those themohyrdometer very soon.

[Irishlion]

you always replace the casing after every flush!

[Raziel]

ahhh ok ! I didn't fully recase I just patched up exposed parts where the mushies had grown but I did leave some mycelium exposed. So I should go home tonight and add more verm just so the mycelium is lightly covered obvoiously not piled on?