A Question about Overlay

wildburr · 08-01-08, 23:30

The EQ grow I have going on at the moment seems to have colonized the casing layer to the point of overlay. I am wondering should I recase to slow down the growth to get it to pin or should I just leave it alone?
I only used about 1/4 inch of coir/verm, I think thats why it overtook the casing. Any advice would be much appreciated.

Lookyhere · 08-01-08, 23:43

Just curious, how long did you wait after casing to induce light?

wildburr · 08-02-08, 00:00

I cased it and Immediately started to give it light.

eastwood · 08-02-08, 01:31

It doesnt look like a bad overlay problem to me.(?)I would recommend sprinkling some moist verm on the casing.Sometimes such fast colonization will cause the overlay.

BuckarooBanzai · 08-03-08, 14:06

Just let it keep going, IMHO. That case looks great - I wouldn't call it overlayed at all.

Also, overlay is only a problem after the flush - when you are trying to dunk/mist to rehydrate (overlay is pretty much water proof). An overlayed tray will still fruit.

wildburr · 08-03-08, 16:48

Because I had only about 1/4 inch of casing, I made some fresh Verm/coir (hydrated and pasteurized) and added another 1/2 inch. Its now already growing through the new casing and showing a few pins

BB thats what I was trying to avoid is creating a waterproof layer, thanks for the info.

wildburr · 08-07-08, 15:30

Since I added the extra casing layer things have improved nicely. First Flush so far.

Lookyhere · 08-07-08, 15:45

Cool. Glad to see they're coming along. I like to do holes the same way you did. I think I will probably stick with shotgun type holes. I bet your second flush will be really good.

wildburr · 08-07-08, 15:59

Im hopeing the second flush will be good too. But what I really want to know is, How do people get these flushes that cover the entire sub? I mean I've done a quite a few grows now and have never gotten a flush like that. And yes I like those holes too, have had good luck with it. Have not gotten contamns on a sub yet since I started doing that.

BuckarooBanzai · 08-07-08, 16:09

Cloning a fruit you already know likes your environment and your substrate choice can help with fuller flushes.

Strain isolation can also do wonders in terms of productivity.

I think the biggest factor is just dialing in your environment and technique to a T and then repeating the same process again...and again...and again...and...well, you get the idea!

Hella nice looking case, regardless!

wildburr · 08-07-08, 16:13

Thanks BB. Looks like its time for me to start to learn the cloning process now. Thats what I love about this hobby (and website), always something new to learn.

witchdr11 · 08-10-08, 01:38

Swims EQ seems to eat casing layers like fat boys eat big macs. They still push off like bananas!

Shroomette · 08-10-08, 01:46

it's best to start your multispore through LC. Then use that LC after it's colonized well. Use it to inoculate your grain or spawn. Then your spawn ratio should be 30% to 40%. Make sure you use 10 to 20 LCs to inoculate the jar. Of course it's depending on the size of the jars.

Lookyhere · 08-10-08, 02:16

I think when you clone burr, it will fill in nicely. Will be cool to see the results from a clone compared to MS. Are you going to try the coring with a needle, then to a LC method?

wildburr · 08-10-08, 18:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lookyhere

I think when you clone burr, it will fill in nicely. Will be cool to see the results from a clone compared to MS. Are you going to try the coring with a needle, then to a LC method?

Most likely, but I still have some reading to do (different teks and such)

eastwood · 08-10-08, 19:18

floppypeter · 08-10-08, 21:48

Nice flush A casing layer is usually applied when "knots are forming" or the first "pin head" is in sight. Used in this manner, a casing layer will hopefully provide an optimal "micro-climate" for the developing baby mushrooms. Waiting til you see knots or pins keeps the casing layer from becoming colonized and also allows max light exposure to the mych. Some think that more light exposure helps the mych mass knot better when it first starts to fruit. When applied during the mych's "fruiting" cycle the casing layer doesn't colonize and you are able to remove it prior to harvest of the fruits. Some experienced hobbyists tend to think removing the loose casing layer between flushes helps with air exchange and mych recovery, others think its a pain in the ass.

wildburr · 08-14-08, 15:36

Floppy, I read that late casing tek when it came out and have tried it on other grows. Never noticed any real difference in amount of pins or flush size and it still overtakes the casing. But any way, the 2nd flush is going well. Got a few getting ready to pick but I finally have a really good pinset hopefully going to explode and give a really good flush, that is if they dont abort like they usually do to me. Here are some pics of the progress so far and the little pin forrest.

And a last pic I had to throw in of a monster I got from my other grow of Taz (for reference my hand is 8" long)

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08-01-08, 23:30	#1 (permalink)
wildburr Chemist Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,981	A Question about Overlay The EQ grow I have going on at the moment seems to have colonized the casing layer to the point of overlay. I am wondering should I recase to slow down the growth to get it to pin or should I just leave it alone? I only used about 1/4 inch of coir/verm, I think thats why it overtook the casing. Any advice would be much appreciated. Attached Thumbnails __________________ When it comes to religion, I subscribe to the church of shit happens, now get over it. *~ Over Easy*

08-01-08, 23:43	#2 (permalink)
Lookyhere Hydro by day,Myc by night Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,660	Just curious, how long did you wait after casing to induce light? __________________ CARPE DIEM, OMINA VINCIT AMOR, SI FRACTUM NON SIT, NOLI ID REFICERE

08-02-08, 00:00	#3 (permalink)
wildburr Chemist Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,981	I cased it and Immediately started to give it light. __________________ When it comes to religion, I subscribe to the church of shit happens, now get over it. *~ Over Easy*

08-03-08, 14:06	#5 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,243	Just let it keep going, IMHO. That case looks great - I wouldn't call it overlayed at all. Also, overlay is only a problem after the flush - when you are trying to dunk/mist to rehydrate (overlay is pretty much water proof). An overlayed tray will still fruit. __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

08-02-08, 01:31	#4 (permalink)
eastwood Mycotopiate Join Date: Jul 1972 Posts: 1,902	It doesnt look like a bad overlay problem to me.(?)I would recommend sprinkling some moist verm on the casing.Sometimes such fast colonization will cause the overlay.

08-03-08, 16:48	#6 (permalink)
wildburr Chemist Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,981	Because I had only about 1/4 inch of casing, I made some fresh Verm/coir (hydrated and pasteurized) and added another 1/2 inch. Its now already growing through the new casing and showing a few pins BB thats what I was trying to avoid is creating a waterproof layer, thanks for the info. __________________ When it comes to religion, I subscribe to the church of shit happens, now get over it. *~ Over Easy*

08-07-08, 15:30	#7 (permalink)
wildburr Chemist Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,981	Since I added the extra casing layer things have improved nicely. First Flush so far. Attached Thumbnails __________________ When it comes to religion, I subscribe to the church of shit happens, now get over it. *~ Over Easy*

08-07-08, 15:45	#8 (permalink)
Lookyhere Hydro by day,Myc by night Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,660	Cool. Glad to see they're coming along. I like to do holes the same way you did. I think I will probably stick with shotgun type holes. I bet your second flush will be really good. __________________ CARPE DIEM, OMINA VINCIT AMOR, SI FRACTUM NON SIT, NOLI ID REFICERE

08-07-08, 15:59	#9 (permalink)
wildburr Chemist Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,981	Im hopeing the second flush will be good too. But what I really want to know is, How do people get these flushes that cover the entire sub? I mean I've done a quite a few grows now and have never gotten a flush like that. And yes I like those holes too, have had good luck with it. Have not gotten contamns on a sub yet since I started doing that. __________________ When it comes to religion, I subscribe to the church of shit happens, now get over it. *~ Over Easy*

08-07-08, 16:09	#10 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,243	Cloning a fruit you already know likes your environment and your substrate choice can help with fuller flushes. Strain isolation can also do wonders in terms of productivity. I think the biggest factor is just dialing in your environment and technique to a T and then repeating the same process again...and again...and again...and...well, you get the idea! Hella nice looking case, regardless! __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

08-07-08, 16:13	#11 (permalink)
wildburr Chemist Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,981	Thanks BB. Looks like its time for me to start to learn the cloning process now. Thats what I love about this hobby (and website), always something new to learn. __________________ When it comes to religion, I subscribe to the church of shit happens, now get over it. *~ Over Easy*

08-10-08, 01:38	#12 (permalink)
witchdr11 Shamanic Vibes Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 309	Swims EQ seems to eat casing layers like fat boys eat big macs. They still push off like bananas! __________________ "The smoke can do anything. It will give you not only knowledge, but also the means to proceed."-Carlos Castaneda

08-10-08, 01:46	#13 (permalink)
Shroomette Shroom Smurfette Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 665	it's best to start your multispore through LC. Then use that LC after it's colonized well. Use it to inoculate your grain or spawn. Then your spawn ratio should be 30% to 40%. Make sure you use 10 to 20 LCs to inoculate the jar. Of course it's depending on the size of the jars. __________________ "If I'm not seen in this world.I'm lost in my own lil world"!!!

08-10-08, 02:16	#14 (permalink)
Lookyhere Hydro by day,Myc by night Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,660	I think when you clone burr, it will fill in nicely. Will be cool to see the results from a clone compared to MS. Are you going to try the coring with a needle, then to a LC method? __________________ CARPE DIEM, OMINA VINCIT AMOR, SI FRACTUM NON SIT, NOLI ID REFICERE

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floppypeter tra la la Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 957	Nice flush A casing layer is usually applied when "knots are forming" or the first "pin head" is in sight. Used in this manner, a casing layer will hopefully provide an optimal "micro-climate" for the developing baby mushrooms. Waiting til you see knots or pins keeps the casing layer from becoming colonized and also allows max light exposure to the mych. Some think that more light exposure helps the mych mass knot better when it first starts to fruit. When applied during the mych's "fruiting" cycle the casing layer doesn't colonize and you are able to remove it prior to harvest of the fruits. Some experienced hobbyists tend to think removing the loose casing layer between flushes helps with air exchange and mych recovery, others think its a pain in the ass. __________________ WE FUNK RADIO

08-14-08, 15:36	#18 (permalink)
wildburr Chemist Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,981	2nd Flush Floppy, I read that late casing tek when it came out and have tried it on other grows. Never noticed any real difference in amount of pins or flush size and it still overtakes the casing. But any way, the 2nd flush is going well. Got a few getting ready to pick but I finally have a really good pinset hopefully going to explode and give a really good flush, that is if they dont abort like they usually do to me. Here are some pics of the progress so far and the little pin forrest. And a last pic I had to throw in of a monster I got from my other grow of Taz (for reference my hand is 8" long) Attached Thumbnails __________________ When it comes to religion, I subscribe to the church of shit happens, now get over it. *~ Over Easy*

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