Question on Pans

scanman · 08-12-08, 22:48

i have tried pans 3 times with 3 failures.my last time i had pins then the mean green hit hard.i have giving up til now.i got a couple pan prints id like to mess with now.First ive got a couple questions.Can you make LC the same as cubes?Can i use WBS for pans?Im thinking about doing something like the Worm Castings Casing tek.All comments and advice is welcomed.

limeade · 08-12-08, 23:42

Yes you can make an LC, Pans prefer manure with a 1 inch susbtrate depth, and a 1/4th inch casing layer, they require heavy FAE, and like warmer temps. Pans are VERY fast to pin/fruit, but can take a while to colonize, WBS will work, but it MUST be spawned.

I wouldn't say that your substrate choice WONT work, but i've only ever been able to get them to fruit the way I want them too, off of cow/straw, or horse/straw, horse/straw has been my best results.

I am refering to copelandias. I am unsure if tropicalis would bear any difference.

Mr. Clean · 08-12-08, 23:45

pans need poo

The Rogue Angel · 08-13-08, 00:45

The best help I can offer is to suggest you look up waylitjim's pan tek in the vaults and follow it exactly. the man is the master of the exotics.

Mermaidia · 08-13-08, 08:55

hey scanman, we start our pans on WBS then spawn them too poo/straw mix. We use a jiffy mix/verm casing. We've had good luck using the jiffy mix as a casing layer.

As limeade stated pans like it a bit warmer than cubes to fruit. Also, we don't shake our jars. Pan mycelium is a bit more fragile than cubes. So ime, the less it has to recover the better is does.

Mycomaniac2007 · 08-13-08, 09:13

I Would Go With Waylit's Pan Recipe And Then Crumbling A Few Cakes To Each Tub That You Will Use. Go With About 2 to 2 1/2 " For A Substrate Depth. Now When You Spawn , Go With A 50 % Straw 25 % Coir & Vermic And The 25 % Horse Poo " Has Good , Fluffy Consistancy " Spawn And Cover With Foil. Then Case With Coir & Vermiculite Like Any Other. Just Incubate A Bit Warmer . Around 80 Deg. And Fruit At The Same 80 to 84 Deg. Should Work . This Receipie Worked For Myself And Should Work 4 You. Its Just As Easy As Cubes But It Takes A Bit To Get It Right Due To How Sensitive The Mycillium Is . In My Opinion , WBS Is DifficultDue To , If You Shake Too Soon Or Even Once During Colonisation ,The Mycillium Might Not Recover. This Is Why I Like To Stick With The BRF With Horse Manure Added For Spore Germination. Hope This Helps.

Freaky · 08-13-08, 12:50

Hippie's Mycrotopia also sells some nice donkey doo pancake jars that work fabulous for pan substrates.

Waylit's recipe is a good one too!

Good luck Scanman, I didn't have any good pan fruitings/experiences until I threw my stuff outside

I'm going to work them indoors here in a bit also. I like the WBS idea and then spawning to poo.

I wonder how half pint wide mouth jars of wbs would do? Most likely colonize quicker.

spacecake · 08-13-08, 12:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by scanman

i have tried pans 3 times with 3 failures.my last time i had pins then the mean green hit hard.i have giving up til now.i got a couple pan prints id like to mess with now.First ive got a couple questions.Can you make LC the same as cubes?Can i use WBS for pans?Im thinking about doing something like the Worm Castings Casing tek.All comments and advice is welcomed.

Have you posted your failures...?
Maybe we can find out what went wrong,instead of trying different tek's everytime...
The more you experiment,the more you fail.

limeade · 08-13-08, 17:23

someone above stating using above 2 inches as a substrate depth with pans, this won't really work, research and ask RogerRabbit, pans like 1 inch for a substrate depth, and just a dusting of casing layer.

and Yes, do NOT shake your wbs jars of pan myc.

spacecake · 08-13-08, 19:28

Your right aboud that,but I don't think we have to ask RR,he's been banned from here ...

feralronin · 08-13-08, 19:49

First I do agree with you limeade about the casing layer. I always use just enough to cover the sub. Maybe 1/8th inch or so.

Pans are a finicky species, but we have some amazing pan growers around here, that are helping to make a noob have a much better success ratio.

All I know is that I am two for two with waylit's pan tek. And that was using store bought Black Kow compost, and I still got two flushes minimum.

spacecake · 08-13-08, 20:04

Does he advice 2 1/2 inch of substrate depth ?

scanman · 08-13-08, 21:08

I think im going to go ahead and try to master waylitjim's pan tek.I just dont have no manure right now.I do have a friend that has some horses and he said that i can come get all the shit i want.So i figured i will go over there this weekend since hes off and get some.heres the thing,i have never went to collect shit before and i need to know whattype of shit i need to work with,fresh or dry or what?

oibchip · 08-13-08, 21:11

Get the shit that is old and dried out. Grey in color.

scanman · 08-13-08, 21:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by oibchip

Get the shit that is old and dried out. Grey in color.

Thanks

As soon as i get out there to get it ill start a thread from the start so hopefully i can grow my first pans.Thanks to everyone who responded to this.

limeade · 08-13-08, 21:57

If you can find poop with the presence of actinomycetes it would be even better, it will look like it's somewhat colonized, break open and straw is greenish and dusty.

extrememetal43 · 08-14-08, 02:29

if u were to buy your pan supplies from hippie would u go with the radel/cyano style cyancakes or the donkey dung myco mix half pint (pancakes) ? Or if u were to just gt sum dung and prepare your own jars would u go with the donkey doo or the donkey doo with straw?

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08-12-08, 22:48	#1 (permalink)
scanman Got Pot Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 591	Question on Pans i have tried pans 3 times with 3 failures.my last time i had pins then the mean green hit hard.i have giving up til now.i got a couple pan prints id like to mess with now.First ive got a couple questions.Can you make LC the same as cubes?Can i use WBS for pans?Im thinking about doing something like the Worm Castings Casing tek.All comments and advice is welcomed. __________________ What gos around comes around

08-12-08, 23:45	#3 (permalink)
Mr. Clean Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 345	pans need poo __________________ "And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

08-13-08, 00:45	#4 (permalink)
The Rogue Angel Lost Immortal Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 85	The best help I can offer is to suggest you look up waylitjim's pan tek in the vaults and follow it exactly. the man is the master of the exotics. __________________ If purity is evil and evil is in fact truth then what does this speak of love and friendship

08-13-08, 08:55	#5 (permalink)
Mermaidia Sober Sister Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,030	hey scanman, we start our pans on WBS then spawn them too poo/straw mix. We use a jiffy mix/verm casing. We've had good luck using the jiffy mix as a casing layer. As limeade stated pans like it a bit warmer than cubes to fruit. Also, we don't shake our jars. Pan mycelium is a bit more fragile than cubes. So ime, the less it has to recover the better is does. __________________ Don't let your gift take you somewhere your character can not keep you.

08-12-08, 23:42	#2 (permalink)
limeade Former Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,183	Yes you can make an LC, Pans prefer manure with a 1 inch susbtrate depth, and a 1/4th inch casing layer, they require heavy FAE, and like warmer temps. Pans are VERY fast to pin/fruit, but can take a while to colonize, WBS will work, but it MUST be spawned. I wouldn't say that your substrate choice WONT work, but i've only ever been able to get them to fruit the way I want them too, off of cow/straw, or horse/straw, horse/straw has been my best results. I am refering to copelandias. I am unsure if tropicalis would bear any difference.

08-13-08, 09:13	#6 (permalink)
Mycomaniac2007 Mycophage Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 198	Pans ... I Would Go With Waylit's Pan Recipe And Then Crumbling A Few Cakes To Each Tub That You Will Use. Go With About 2 to 2 1/2 " For A Substrate Depth. Now When You Spawn , Go With A 50 % Straw 25 % Coir & Vermic And The 25 % Horse Poo " Has Good , Fluffy Consistancy " Spawn And Cover With Foil. Then Case With Coir & Vermiculite Like Any Other. Just Incubate A Bit Warmer . Around 80 Deg. And Fruit At The Same 80 to 84 Deg. Should Work . This Receipie Worked For Myself And Should Work 4 You. Its Just As Easy As Cubes But It Takes A Bit To Get It Right Due To How Sensitive The Mycillium Is . In My Opinion , WBS Is DifficultDue To , If You Shake Too Soon Or Even Once During Colonisation ,The Mycillium Might Not Recover. This Is Why I Like To Stick With The BRF With Horse Manure Added For Spore Germination. Hope This Helps. __________________ * I Love This Hobby *

08-13-08, 12:50	#7 (permalink)
Freaky Magik Mod Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,518	Hippie's Mycrotopia also sells some nice donkey doo pancake jars that work fabulous for pan substrates. Waylit's recipe is a good one too! Good luck Scanman, I didn't have any good pan fruitings/experiences until I threw my stuff outside I'm going to work them indoors here in a bit also. I like the WBS idea and then spawning to poo. I wonder how half pint wide mouth jars of wbs would do? Most likely colonize quicker. __________________ Get On The Good Foot

08-13-08, 17:23	#9 (permalink)
limeade Former Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,183	someone above stating using above 2 inches as a substrate depth with pans, this won't really work, research and ask RogerRabbit, pans like 1 inch for a substrate depth, and just a dusting of casing layer. and Yes, do NOT shake your wbs jars of pan myc.

08-13-08, 19:28	#10 (permalink)
spacecake Universal Mod Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 3,790	Your right aboud that,but I don't think we have to ask RR,he's been banned from here ... __________________ Neurologic

08-13-08, 19:49	#11 (permalink)
feralronin ... Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 731	First I do agree with you limeade about the casing layer. I always use just enough to cover the sub. Maybe 1/8th inch or so. Pans are a finicky species, but we have some amazing pan growers around here, that are helping to make a noob have a much better success ratio. All I know is that I am two for two with waylit's pan tek. And that was using store bought Black Kow compost, and I still got two flushes minimum.

08-13-08, 20:04	#12 (permalink)
spacecake Universal Mod Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 3,790	Does he advice 2 1/2 inch of substrate depth ? __________________ Neurologic

08-13-08, 21:08	#13 (permalink)
scanman Got Pot Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 591	I think im going to go ahead and try to master waylitjim's pan tek.I just dont have no manure right now.I do have a friend that has some horses and he said that i can come get all the shit i want.So i figured i will go over there this weekend since hes off and get some.heres the thing,i have never went to collect shit before and i need to know whattype of shit i need to work with,fresh or dry or what? __________________ What gos around comes around

08-13-08, 21:11	#14 (permalink)
oibchip Space Lord Modulator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5,054	Get the shit that is old and dried out. Grey in color.

08-13-08, 21:57	#16 (permalink)
limeade Former Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,183	If you can find poop with the presence of actinomycetes it would be even better, it will look like it's somewhat colonized, break open and straw is greenish and dusty.

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