no verm and i need a casing

pancyan · 10-04-08, 11:40

im all out of verm could i use just peat moss to case a myco bag ? anything else gypsum maybe ?

sangraal · 10-04-08, 11:46

peat moss will work, just keep it clean as competitive molds can grow on it.

helloinsomnia · 10-04-08, 11:47

Coir if you have it laying around.

Dr_T · 10-04-08, 12:05

If you use peat, balance the pH with gypsum or whatever. Find a reliable tek and follow it.

Can't just go buy some verm?

meanman420 · 10-04-08, 12:05

U can use peat but you're going to need some lime to bring the ph down.I've had success with golly's lawn grass thread but I had verm mixed in with it

pancyan · 10-04-08, 12:28

hey thanks guys for the quick respones. i have plenty of coir but i thought that coir was no longer a good casing material because it has to many nutes and the myc will colonize it. should i be using lime or gypsum- perlite is just a NO right? dont use peat and perlight?

sandman · 10-04-08, 12:35

Miracle Grow Moisture Control potting soil is a great casing layer I hear.

Lookyhere · 10-04-08, 12:39

Coir is used all the time as a casing with great results. If you have it I would use it. It just needs to be misted more than verm since it dries out quicker.

pancyan · 10-04-08, 12:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandman

Miracle Grow Moisture Control potting soil is a great casing layer I hear.

holly shit i just happen to have this. lol but adding this stuff seems like it would be adding moe substrate. oh yeah my bags pinned allready and im going to case them now thats not a problem right ? i have read about "late casing"

so out of what you guys know i have. what would you use out of the surgestions?

Dr_T · 10-04-08, 12:46

I've had good luck with the MGMC.

sangraal · 10-04-08, 12:51

I'm a BIG fan of Sta-Green brand Cactus potting soil. It's a healthy combo of peat moss, lime and organic compost. Mushrooms burst right up through it. But with any casing layer that has nutrients, either the cactus mix or the miracle grow, contams may find it as a home. And from personal experience, casing a fully colonized substrate and then having mold colonies surface on top just plain sucks. I learned quick. Just be sure that you pasteurize it or put it in a jar and PC it, and otherwise keep it clean afterwards.

Oh and "late casing" is fine. A lot of people wait until pins form before casing.

wavelength · 10-04-08, 13:42

what does "keeping it clean afterwards" exactly entail? Picking out spots where you can already see mold forming? Or...

limeade · 10-04-08, 13:45

pancyan i know you've seen my mycobags and monotubs, i never ever use a casing layer!!!

so of course im going to say, it's not absolutely neccesary and you'll still get a good flush or 4.

sangraal · 10-04-08, 20:18

Sorry, what I mean by "keeping it clean" is, if you're using a FC, to spray it down with lysol or whatever before using it, wiping it down, not introducing anything that may have contams in it, etc, basically keeping everything its around as clean as possible.

Found some Miracle Grow: Organic Grow today. Peat, compost and pastuerized chicken poo! Total N only .1% so it's not hot at all. Looks like a promising supplement with straw and casing mix.

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10-04-08, 11:40	#1 (permalink)
pancyan Mycophage Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 107	no verm and i need a casing im all out of verm could i use just peat moss to case a myco bag ? anything else gypsum maybe ?

10-04-08, 11:46	#2 (permalink)
sangraal Gnowledge in Gnature Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 653	peat moss will work, just keep it clean as competitive molds can grow on it. __________________ [Remember The Day of the Dead]...From my rotting body, flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity. ~Edvard Munch

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helloinsomnia goodbye blue monday Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 214	Coir if you have it laying around. __________________ old pond / a frog jumps / the sound of water -Matsuo Basho

10-04-08, 12:35	#7 (permalink)
sandman Seasoned Pork Join Date: Apr 1972 Posts: 1,526	Miracle Grow Moisture Control potting soil is a great casing layer I hear. __________________ Dreams are real. But they are made of viewpoints, of images, of memories and puns and lost hopes

10-04-08, 12:05	#4 (permalink)
Dr_T Random Dude Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,731	If you use peat, balance the pH with gypsum or whatever. Find a reliable tek and follow it. Can't just go buy some verm?

10-04-08, 12:05	#5 (permalink)
meanman420 Y U Lookin Here Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 565	U can use peat but you're going to need some lime to bring the ph down.I've had success with golly's lawn grass thread but I had verm mixed in with it

10-04-08, 12:28	#6 (permalink)
pancyan Mycophage Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 107	hey thanks guys for the quick respones. i have plenty of coir but i thought that coir was no longer a good casing material because it has to many nutes and the myc will colonize it. should i be using lime or gypsum- perlite is just a NO right? dont use peat and perlight?

10-04-08, 12:39	#8 (permalink)
Lookyhere Hydro by day,Myc by night Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,660	Coir is used all the time as a casing with great results. If you have it I would use it. It just needs to be misted more than verm since it dries out quicker. __________________ CARPE DIEM, OMINA VINCIT AMOR, SI FRACTUM NON SIT, NOLI ID REFICERE

10-04-08, 12:46	#10 (permalink)
Dr_T Random Dude Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,731	I've had good luck with the MGMC.

10-04-08, 12:51	#11 (permalink)
sangraal Gnowledge in Gnature Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 653	I'm a BIG fan of Sta-Green brand Cactus potting soil. It's a healthy combo of peat moss, lime and organic compost. Mushrooms burst right up through it. But with any casing layer that has nutrients, either the cactus mix or the miracle grow, contams may find it as a home. And from personal experience, casing a fully colonized substrate and then having mold colonies surface on top just plain sucks. I learned quick. Just be sure that you pasteurize it or put it in a jar and PC it, and otherwise keep it clean afterwards. Oh and "late casing" is fine. A lot of people wait until pins form before casing. __________________ [Remember The Day of the Dead]...From my rotting body, flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity. ~Edvard Munch

10-04-08, 13:42	#12 (permalink)
wavelength Former Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 58	what does "keeping it clean afterwards" exactly entail? Picking out spots where you can already see mold forming? Or...

10-04-08, 13:45	#13 (permalink)
limeade Former Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,183	pancyan i know you've seen my mycobags and monotubs, i never ever use a casing layer!!! so of course im going to say, it's not absolutely neccesary and you'll still get a good flush or 4.

10-04-08, 20:18	#14 (permalink)
sangraal Gnowledge in Gnature Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 653	Sorry, what I mean by "keeping it clean" is, if you're using a FC, to spray it down with lysol or whatever before using it, wiping it down, not introducing anything that may have contams in it, etc, basically keeping everything its around as clean as possible. Found some Miracle Grow: Organic Grow today. Peat, compost and pastuerized chicken poo! Total N only .1% so it's not hot at all. Looks like a promising supplement with straw and casing mix. __________________ [Remember The Day of the Dead]...From my rotting body, flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity. ~Edvard Munch

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