Growing mushrooms outside w/o caking, sterilization, etc?

pac_man · 02-01-09, 22:23

Hello, this is my first post, Ive read the rules but tell me if I get out of line or anything. The site is great btw. I just can't seem to find the answer to my question anywhere.
Swim wants to grow cubensis and doesnt want to go through the process of sterilization, caking, substrate, and preferably not purchase a terrarium and grow inside. the usual how to guide. Instead grow them outside in a elongated pot, sometimes used to grow strawberries. 16x6x6 would prob be an example, long short pot. The substate could be some of the manure that already contains a mycellium colony mixed with bought manure or another type of soil or mulch?(not sure which) or swim could use the vermiculite/brown rice example but the rice does contain bacteria already present I believe, which is why it must be sterile, correct? swim would grow it outside on a balcony in the shadier part. Living in Texas comes with high humidity but also high heat. would he need a cover to hold additional moisture? The watering would be personal so one could produce high 'rain fall' at his/her hands to keep them growing. Then extracting spores from mushrooms in ones possession to make more colonized mycellium.
Sorry for the rather long post, but is this feasible? I can see the smell factor due to manure and heat might result in a problem, so perhaps a different substrate? Using sevin or other bug strays to spray around the pot to keep away pesky bugs.
Thank you for taking the time to read and any info would be greatly appreciated. Also, if anyone needs more details that I forgot, just ask.

pac_man · 02-01-09, 22:29

Damnit, I didnt look hard enough. This question is similar
http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...-question.html (noob question)
Not quite the same for he still wants to use casing but not know how. Where I prefer not to use casing at all. So, any further addition info would be appreciated, or close the topic. Not sure how its handled here. Thanks.

Mr. Natural #1. · 02-02-09, 05:15

As I understand your plan is to take some cow patties with some mycelium growing on it and to throw that in to a pot and water them until mushrooms grow. How would you know that the mycelium is cubensius, there are a lot of mycelium that will grow on a cow patty some of them may grow very poisonous mushrooms.
I believe that unless you live in West Texas, Houston or Dallas that you would be more likely to find mushrooms growing wild, not any farther than the local cow pasture after a couple of days of rain. Most of Texas is currently experiencing a drought. The humidity in Texas is very high but it varies a lot and the wild mushrooms that you can usually find are small and have a star shaped pattern on the cap from the changing humidity and usually are growing in high grass that keeps the humidity high in the area where the mushroom develops.

I have planted PF cakes in pasteurized casing in the ground in Texas and some mushrooms did grow but bugs, opossums, dogs and swampers always seemed to get to them before I could pick them.

It is my belief that if you find a cow patty that has some mushrooms growing out of it, that the cow patty is acting as a natural casing although I have found mushrooms growing in sand in a ditch far from the nearest cow.

What have you got against casing, PF cakes, or substrate?
Out doors one cold or hot snap would kill your mycelium.
Indoors with cakes you would not need to use a terrarium you could use a plastic tub in a closet with a $10 dollar heat bomb.

Good luck.
M&N#1.

Indonesia · 02-02-09, 07:02

maybe you could go spores to cardboard, then use cardboard to innoculate hydrated hydrated field dried cow patties. u won't be able to use grains without sterile procedure. its hard for contaminants to grow on cardboard, so you could try this without sterile procedure. cardboard on bottom and top of cow pattie and tarp. good luck
peace

pac_man · 02-02-09, 16:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Natural #1.

As I understand your plan is to take some cow patties with some mycelium growing on it and to throw that in to a pot and water them until mushrooms grow. How would you know that the mycelium is cubensius, there are a lot of mycelium that will grow on a cow patty some of them may grow very poisonous mushrooms.
I believe that unless you live in West Texas, Houston or Dallas that you would be more likely to find mushrooms growing wild, not any farther than the local cow pasture after a couple of days of rain. Most of Texas is currently experiencing a drought. The humidity in Texas is very high but it varies a lot and the wild mushrooms that you can usually find are small and have a star shaped pattern on the cap from the changing humidity and usually are growing in high grass that keeps the humidity high in the area where the mushroom develops.

I have planted PF cakes in pasteurized casing in the ground in Texas and some mushrooms did grow but bugs, opossums, dogs and swampers always seemed to get to them before I could pick them.

It is my belief that if you find a cow patty that has some mushrooms growing out of it, that the cow patty is acting as a natural casing although I have found mushrooms growing in sand in a ditch far from the nearest cow.

What have you got against casing, PF cakes, or substrate?
Out doors one cold or hot snap would kill your mycelium.
Indoors with cakes you would not need to use a terrarium you could use a plastic tub in a closet with a $10 dollar heat bomb.

Good luck.
M&N#1.

Thanks for the comment. You know exactly what i'm seeing, weather wise.
The cow pattie I would pick would already be fruiting cubensis. Can they fruit more than once? I believe they should as long as mycellium would not be destroyed by pulling the shroom out.
I have a few problems that surround casing.
I would prob turns this to another topic if I said all. But with casing, do I have to have the room completely sterile? I read somewhere that small contam get in and ruin without hepa filtration.
Ah, I see what you mean by placing in plastic, that would help alot with the cost. whats a heat bomb though? I googled and found a topic unspecific on this topic and a myspace page. Is a heat bomb homemade?

at_ease_disease · 02-14-09, 18:50

3 liter bottle filled w/water + aquarium heater = heat bomb. Personally, I prefer the TIT. Screw google, you've already found the Mecca of mushrooms. Just use the search feature on the site, can't go wrong there. Good luck to you.

Soliver · 02-14-09, 19:16

PacMan..

Sounds to me like you have a LOT of research to do here... Please spend some time in the
vaults. While what you propose is possible, it's not likely for someone who doesn't have
a fair knowledge of the process overall.. you can't just take an outdoor grow patch and
transplant it to a flowerbed. If it was that easy, well, none of us would own pressure cookers or a hundred mason jars

soliver

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02-01-09, 22:23	#1 (permalink)
pac_man Mycophiliac Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4	Growing mushrooms outside w/o caking, sterilization, etc? Hello, this is my first post, Ive read the rules but tell me if I get out of line or anything. The site is great btw. I just can't seem to find the answer to my question anywhere. Swim wants to grow cubensis and doesnt want to go through the process of sterilization, caking, substrate, and preferably not purchase a terrarium and grow inside. the usual how to guide. Instead grow them outside in a elongated pot, sometimes used to grow strawberries. 16x6x6 would prob be an example, long short pot. The substate could be some of the manure that already contains a mycellium colony mixed with bought manure or another type of soil or mulch?(not sure which) or swim could use the vermiculite/brown rice example but the rice does contain bacteria already present I believe, which is why it must be sterile, correct? swim would grow it outside on a balcony in the shadier part. Living in Texas comes with high humidity but also high heat. would he need a cover to hold additional moisture? The watering would be personal so one could produce high 'rain fall' at his/her hands to keep them growing. Then extracting spores from mushrooms in ones possession to make more colonized mycellium. Sorry for the rather long post, but is this feasible? I can see the smell factor due to manure and heat might result in a problem, so perhaps a different substrate? Using sevin or other bug strays to spray around the pot to keep away pesky bugs. Thank you for taking the time to read and any info would be greatly appreciated. Also, if anyone needs more details that I forgot, just ask.

02-02-09, 05:15	#3 (permalink)
Mr. Natural #1. Simper aerius Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 81	Good Luck. As I understand your plan is to take some cow patties with some mycelium growing on it and to throw that in to a pot and water them until mushrooms grow. How would you know that the mycelium is cubensius, there are a lot of mycelium that will grow on a cow patty some of them may grow very poisonous mushrooms. I believe that unless you live in West Texas, Houston or Dallas that you would be more likely to find mushrooms growing wild, not any farther than the local cow pasture after a couple of days of rain. Most of Texas is currently experiencing a drought. The humidity in Texas is very high but it varies a lot and the wild mushrooms that you can usually find are small and have a star shaped pattern on the cap from the changing humidity and usually are growing in high grass that keeps the humidity high in the area where the mushroom develops. I have planted PF cakes in pasteurized casing in the ground in Texas and some mushrooms did grow but bugs, opossums, dogs and swampers always seemed to get to them before I could pick them. It is my belief that if you find a cow patty that has some mushrooms growing out of it, that the cow patty is acting as a natural casing although I have found mushrooms growing in sand in a ditch far from the nearest cow. What have you got against casing, PF cakes, or substrate? Out doors one cold or hot snap would kill your mycelium. Indoors with cakes you would not need to use a terrarium you could use a plastic tub in a closet with a $10 dollar heat bomb. Good luck. M&N#1. __________________ Simper aerius.

02-14-09, 18:50	#6 (permalink)
at_ease_disease Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 77	3 liter bottle filled w/water + aquarium heater = heat bomb. Personally, I prefer the TIT. Screw google, you've already found the Mecca of mushrooms. Just use the search feature on the site, can't go wrong there. Good luck to you. __________________ Pass Shaggy the baggie, so he can roll Scooby a doobie!

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02-01-09, 22:29	#2 (permalink)
pac_man Mycophiliac Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4	Damnit, I didnt look hard enough. This question is similar http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...-question.html (noob question) Not quite the same for he still wants to use casing but not know how. Where I prefer not to use casing at all. So, any further addition info would be appreciated, or close the topic. Not sure how its handled here. Thanks.

02-02-09, 07:02	#4 (permalink)
Indonesia Mycotopiate Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 267	maybe you could go spores to cardboard, then use cardboard to innoculate hydrated hydrated field dried cow patties. u won't be able to use grains without sterile procedure. its hard for contaminants to grow on cardboard, so you could try this without sterile procedure. cardboard on bottom and top of cow pattie and tarp. good luck peace

02-14-09, 19:16	#7 (permalink)
Soliver Deviant Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,067	PacMan.. Sounds to me like you have a LOT of research to do here... Please spend some time in the vaults. While what you propose is possible, it's not likely for someone who doesn't have a fair knowledge of the process overall.. you can't just take an outdoor grow patch and transplant it to a flowerbed. If it was that easy, well, none of us would own pressure cookers or a hundred mason jars soliver