To incubate cased substrate or not B4 Fruiting Chamber - Need FASTEST!

Sibanac · 04-03-09, 23:15

It's known that some people incubate their cased substrate for 2-5 days before Fruiting,

and some just place their cased substrate directly into the FC.

Im not questioning which is better,
but which is faster.

Im trying to meet a tough deadline and need to go w/ the fastest route this particular time.

Would the direct fruiting method be faster since fruiting conditions are introduced sooner....? Please Help..........

Thanks 4 the INFO!

bosshogg · 04-03-09, 23:33

unfortunately there is no end all be all for hurrying up fruiting. a lot of it depends on many variables . even then you only may be shaving off a day or two. the key is patience. your best bet is to follow what ever tek you've been using to the letter, and wait, as hard as it may be...
in order to give a better answer i think i would need a little more info on the environment/sub/strain you are trying to fruit

Sibanac · 04-03-09, 23:43

BRF Cakes crumbled and cased with 60% Vermiculite & 40% Coir on top.

Luckily, all I need to shave off is a couple of days.

I was debating on incubating for 1-3 days before fruiting or,
fruiting without incubation first.

Which will achieve fruit first..?
(even if only a day or 2 faster!)

Thanks

dfar · 04-04-09, 00:16

I would say the quicker you change the external environment to fruiting conditions the sooner the substrate will fruit IMHO ... but pinset/fruit size may be affected.

check out this thread i found today has some good discussion on the subject

http://forums.mycotopia.net/mushroom...ubstrates.html (Do you incubate your freshly cased cubensis substrates?)

hope it works out for ya

valleyofmushies · 04-04-09, 13:29

ok in my opinion u should think about incubating a lil bit just to help the myc get a hold on the casing but longer then 2 days and it starts to dry my casing up so i do it for 2 days and then give lots of air and light and change the temp on it up ....but it all depends on to many variables like bosshogg said because i have done this and one do really good in 2 days like it col the whole casing layer at about 60 or 70 % which then i put one into fc and one other one started the same day had to sit for another 2 days and dried the casing up but col it alright

shroom57 · 04-04-09, 14:51

As I understand it...

Once you case it you're encouraging that micro-enviornment by adding moisture so that the mycellium will permeate the casing... mycellium is part of the growth process vs. fruiting so it would pay to maintain pre-pinning temps until the mycellium has had a chance to run the casing.

Had you not already cased it I woud say lower the temps, spray liberally, lots of FAE and light...the casing still requires lots of moisture, but is not ready for fruiting conditions just yet...incubate.

It's 6 of one and a half dozen of the other. You can't rush mother nature.

roc · 04-04-09, 15:02

Incubate for a few days... this will give you the best results!

Give the disturbed network a few days to recover... trust me on this one!

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04-03-09, 23:15	#1 (permalink)
Sibanac Mycophiliac Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 14	To incubate cased substrate or not B4 Fruiting Chamber - Need FASTEST! It's known that some people incubate their cased substrate for 2-5 days before Fruiting, and some just place their cased substrate directly into the FC. Im not questioning which is better, but which is faster. Im trying to meet a tough deadline and need to go w/ the fastest route this particular time. Would the direct fruiting method be faster since fruiting conditions are introduced sooner....? Please Help.......... Thanks 4 the INFO!

04-03-09, 23:33	#2 (permalink)
bosshogg joe schmoe super tripper Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 616	unfortunately there is no end all be all for hurrying up fruiting. a lot of it depends on many variables . even then you only may be shaving off a day or two. the key is patience. your best bet is to follow what ever tek you've been using to the letter, and wait, as hard as it may be... in order to give a better answer i think i would need a little more info on the environment/sub/strain you are trying to fruit __________________ 'joe schmoe super tripper might think he can eat an 8 of those like he could any other mushy and off to the loony bin,or in the corner crying for their mommy-IL

04-04-09, 15:02	#7 (permalink)
roc Old Man Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 4,296	Incubate for a few days... this will give you the best results! Give the disturbed network a few days to recover... trust me on this one! __________________ ubuntu! Member of Native Geekaho Tribe. "Think for yourself and question authority"

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04-03-09, 23:43	#3 (permalink)
Sibanac Mycophiliac Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 14	BRF Cakes crumbled and cased with 60% Vermiculite & 40% Coir on top. Luckily, all I need to shave off is a couple of days. I was debating on incubating for 1-3 days before fruiting or, fruiting without incubation first. Which will achieve fruit first..? (even if only a day or 2 faster!) Thanks

04-04-09, 00:16	#4 (permalink)
dfar She's so heavy!! Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 369	I would say the quicker you change the external environment to fruiting conditions the sooner the substrate will fruit IMHO ... but pinset/fruit size may be affected. check out this thread i found today has some good discussion on the subject http://forums.mycotopia.net/mushroom...ubstrates.html (Do you incubate your freshly cased cubensis substrates?) hope it works out for ya

04-04-09, 13:29	#5 (permalink)
valleyofmushies LOST in the world Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 357	ok in my opinion u should think about incubating a lil bit just to help the myc get a hold on the casing but longer then 2 days and it starts to dry my casing up so i do it for 2 days and then give lots of air and light and change the temp on it up ....but it all depends on to many variables like bosshogg said because i have done this and one do really good in 2 days like it col the whole casing layer at about 60 or 70 % which then i put one into fc and one other one started the same day had to sit for another 2 days and dried the casing up but col it alright

04-04-09, 14:51	#6 (permalink)
shroom57 Papa Smurf Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 293	As I understand it... Once you case it you're encouraging that micro-enviornment by adding moisture so that the mycellium will permeate the casing... mycellium is part of the growth process vs. fruiting so it would pay to maintain pre-pinning temps until the mycellium has had a chance to run the casing. Had you not already cased it I woud say lower the temps, spray liberally, lots of FAE and light...the casing still requires lots of moisture, but is not ready for fruiting conditions just yet...incubate. It's 6 of one and a half dozen of the other. You can't rush mother nature.