MHRB into bulk sub for higher potency?

[JohnDoe]

i've read in the vaults about the experiment where Jochen Gartz added some tryptamine to the substrate and thus increased the potency of the cubes...and after this he didn't duplicated the experiment.
but what about this thread?--->http://forums.mycotopia.net/strainba...-phang-ka.html (Ban Phang Ka)
what was the result? was there any increase in the potency?

i'd like to try this in the near future, but only then, if someone confirms that this is not a waste of money...

edit: were there any other experiment by mycotopiates?

[Om shanti]

http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...g-potency.html (Tryptophan Rich Material for Affecting Potency)
is one interesting thread I stumbled upon here.

Searching for "tryptamine potency" returns quite a few threads. There doesn't seem to be any consensus about whether it works. Some say it does, but there is no objective evidence.

I think it's just too easy to grow mushrooms for anyone to bother digging for objective evidence. If it had been a lot harder to grow mushrooms, say if an average cake yieded only a small pin or two per flush, then maybe someone would have taken the time to replicate Gartz's experiment, extract the alkaloids and measure the results. I have read a lot of the threads and find the subject interesting, but for my own part I'm actually quite happy about the potency of normal mushrooms. I'd have to invest in a new scale if mushroom potency increased by much. :-)

I wouldn't use MHRB for it though, unless I had a ton of it. Wouldn't it be nicer to use that to get some DMT?

[Hal Luce]

"i'd like to try this in the near future, but only then, if someone confirms that this is not a waste of money..."

What an ingrate...You are not worthy.

Like a child who bitches about the christmas gift given to him in poverty. Guess what? Santa owes you nothing.

The great mother of *all things* has given us a precious tool to understand and appreciate the human experience and the interface with our surroundings. A tool that we might use to make the world a more tolerable place to spend time.

But no....you come off with cost analysis/chemical modification models to skew and suit things to your selfish and inappropriate intent.

It is what it is......a gift.

Go run a bank, pal.

[dfar]

Originally Posted by Hal Luce

"i'd like to try this in the near future, but only then, if someone confirms that this is not a waste of money..."

What an ingrate...You are not worthy.

Like a child who bitches about the christmas gift given to him in poverty. Guess what? Santa owes you nothing.

The great mother of *all things* has given us a precious tool to understand and appreciate the human experience and the interface with our surroundings. A tool that we might use to make the world a more tolerable place to spend time.

But no....you come off with cost analysis/chemical modification models to skew and suit things to your selfish and inappropriate intent.

It is what it is......a gift.

Go run a bank, pal.

we try and encourage and inform members/guests here at mycotopia, this is no way to speak to someone asking a very reasonable question. Please enjoy your stay here but lets educate/encourage instead of belittling people and saying hurtful things... maybe you should read up on topia policy before posting again (just trying to help steer you from a storm) IMHO

peace my friend

[dream]

I half ass tried this but didn't pull it off with some slightly used bark. I still have a beer box that I think may still want to fruit but it needs to be hydrated. PESA seemed to take to it better than PESH with my limited trials. Tex or B+ may be even better. What would likely work best though would be to decant some bark a few times and just use the water instead of using the bark. Depends on how much you're using too. Somebody else was fruiting cakes with it and said the results could be confirmed. I'll get around to experimenting again at some point.

[JohnDoe]

Originally Posted by Hal Luce

"i'd like to try this in the near future, but only then, if someone confirms that this is not a waste of money..."

What an ingrate...You are not worthy.

Like a child who bitches about the christmas gift given to him in poverty. Guess what? Santa owes you nothing.

The great mother of *all things* has given us a precious tool to understand and appreciate the human experience and the interface with our surroundings. A tool that we might use to make the world a more tolerable place to spend time.

But no....you come off with cost analysis/chemical modification models to skew and suit things to your selfish and inappropriate intent.

It is what it is......a gift.

Go run a bank, pal.

i guess the great mother of all things hasn't given to you much precious tool to understand shit kiddo.
you preachin about tolerance but your words are filled with pure hate.
next time choose your words.

[Frequency]

First, that comment from Hal_Luce was completely uncalled for.

Second, what you're hinting at is a process called Biotransformation. This is where the physiological processes in an organism can naturally facilitate the formation of new compounds not found naturally in the organism. The new compounds are natural, but are new to nature.

In 1989 Gartz et al successfully converted the known compound DET (Diethyltryptamine) into into 4-HO-DET (4-hydroxy-diethyltryptamine) and 4-PO-DET (4-phosphoryloxy-diethyltryptamine) by adding DET to Psilocybe mycelial culture substrate and producing fruit bodies. This is described in the Journal of Basic Microbiology 29. Many people propose that adding DMT (dimethyltryptamine) to mycelial substrate would yield the 4-hydroxy and 4-phosphoryloxy homologues of DMT.

You'd have to have a GC/MS or IR machine to even know if you had produced a new compound. It's just not something the amateur or even advanced mycologist/chemist can detect successfully. You could have successfully created some 4-HO-DMT, ate the cap, tripped, and not even known the difference due to the varying in psychedelic experiences that shrooms allow us to manifest. Not to mention being unsure of the dosage/physiological issues associated with creating and bioassaying new compounds in your room...

Now I need to smoke a bowl. Man I love talking about this stuff.

[drgonzo303]

4hydroxy and 4phosphoryloxy DMT are in fact Psilocin and Psilocibyne.

That's why they added DET. You can also try with DPT or DIPT ETC...

Dr Gonzo.

[mushhut]

Originally Posted by Hal Luce

"i'd like to try this in the near future, but only then, if someone confirms that this is not a waste of money..."

What an ingrate...You are not worthy.

Like a child who bitches about the christmas gift given to him in poverty. Guess what? Santa owes you nothing.

The great mother of *all things* has given us a precious tool to understand and appreciate the human experience and the interface with our surroundings. A tool that we might use to make the world a more tolerable place to spend time.

But no....you come off with cost analysis/chemical modification models to skew and suit things to your selfish and inappropriate intent.

It is what it is......a gift.

Go run a bank, pal.

I will give you negative rep for this remark and dont see you being around here very long.

Nice post jd im very intrested and if I can get my friend who does dmt extractions to give me some bark I will give this a try and let you all know the results of my grow. I want to give this a try. Thanks again for the post JD

[JohnDoe]

thx for the answers guys!
i hope one day we'll know the truth about this...

[mushhut]

My friend that does dmt extractions will be at my house 2morw and before he comes over Ill ask him to bring me some bark. Im sure he is willing to part with some so I will get started on this project very soon. My tit is full so it may be a month before I get started, but I will let you know my results. Im always looking to up the potentcy of my boomers unlike Hal Luce.

[dream]

This site is funny but this topic is important so we'll endure. [quote] * Gartz [1989] determinede that psilocin levels of [Psilocybe cubensis] flushes where naturaly low (.1%) from a sterilized mixture of cow dung and rice (2:1), but could be raised up to 3.3% with the addition of only 25 milligrams of tryptamine into 10 grams of substrate. furthermore, his study showed that at least 22% of psilocybin was derived from the introduced radioactively tagged tryptamine. 1.) Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World, Stamets [1996]. [quote] Going from 0.1% to 3.3% is no small feat. I wish I could do it with albinos so they could be easily identified. Fuck it. I'm gonna try it again today.

[wildburr]

Originally Posted by Hal Luce

"i'd like to try this in the near future, but only then, if someone confirms that this is not a waste of money..."

What an ingrate...You are not worthy.

Like a child who bitches about the christmas gift given to him in poverty. Guess what? Santa owes you nothing.

The great mother of *all things* has given us a precious tool to understand and appreciate the human experience and the interface with our surroundings. A tool that we might use to make the world a more tolerable place to spend time.

But no....you come off with cost analysis/chemical modification models to skew and suit things to your selfish and inappropriate intent.

It is what it is......a gift.

Go run a bank, pal.

You are too new to be giving such harsh criticism. everyone has a legit question now and then.

[feralronin]

Originally Posted by wildburr

You are too new to be giving such harsh criticism. everyone has a legit question now and then.

Agreed, but I also don't think that kind of criticism is what this board is about no matter how long you have been here.

Ingrate? Come on man that's just uncalled for. This is a place of learning, experimentation, and positivity.

[wildburr]

Originally Posted by feralronin

Agreed, but I also don't think that kind of criticism is what this board is about no matter how long you have been here.

Ingrate? Come on man that's just uncalled for. This is a place of learning, experimentation, and positivity.

Thats why I gave him the infraction, just uncalled for.

[steeq]

Originally Posted by Hal Luce

"i'd like to try this in the near future, but only then, if someone confirms that this is not a waste of money..."

What an ingrate...You are not worthy.

Like a child who bitches about the christmas gift given to him in poverty. Guess what? Santa owes you nothing.

The great mother of *all things* has given us a precious tool to understand and appreciate the human experience and the interface with our surroundings. A tool that we might use to make the world a more tolerable place to spend time.

But no....you come off with cost analysis/chemical modification models to skew and suit things to your selfish and inappropriate intent.

It is what it is......a gift.

Go run a bank, pal.

[PsychoDrogue]

hope you pull it off with obvious results. i think the boost in potency would be obvious if it was that huge an increase.

I am still considering adding 5-me0-dmt to some substrate one day, but my toad is busy enough as it is.

[whatchamacallit]

Originally Posted by Hal Luce

"i'd like to try this in the near future, but only then, if someone confirms that this is not a waste of money..."

What an ingrate...You are not worthy.

Like a child who bitches about the christmas gift given to him in poverty. Guess what? Santa owes you nothing.

The great mother of *all things* has given us a precious tool to understand and appreciate the human experience and the interface with our surroundings. A tool that we might use to make the world a more tolerable place to spend time.

But no....you come off with cost analysis/chemical modification models to skew and suit things to your selfish and inappropriate intent.

It is what it is......a gift.

Go run a bank, pal.

Maybe you should spend your money to try and reproduce the results, since you feel so strongly, that it is worthwhile. Generally, it is wise to try and do research to find all past attempts of things, and to read of others results, before wasting time on experimenting with things that may have been tried, and found to not be worthwhile.

That is all JohnDoe is doing, looking for more information on the subject, so who are you to criticize him for looking for more references? And what modifications is he using to skew anything? You come off as selfish and with inappropriate intent, when you try and flame someone with valid questions.

If you don't have anything nice to say, it's best not to say anything at all..

[buteo]

def worth looking into. humans evolve with the times. if you dont believe in evolving get off the damn computer.

[ishkaboo]

idk IMO that would be a waste of bark. If I had some MHRB, DMT would surely be along shortly. If you want more potent mushrooms grow some pans or wood loving species like azures. Just my .02

But by all means, if you have the extra bark, give it a go. I would be interested to see how it turns out, I just love DMT too much to toss it in my substrate hehe.